From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #131 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, March 15 1999 Volume 04 : Number 131 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: vets vets vets..blah blah blah ["Willms, Gregory J." ] NJC: Okay... [Ronnie J Stratton ] Re: Jewel: an exterior view ["Brian McKenzie" ] Lyrics... [Ronnie J Stratton ] Re: EDAs are EDAs -- vets are animal doctors [Paul Schreiber ] vets,future of list, and whatever ["jewel jk" ] Re: The list & the EDAs [shallowend@asan.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:27:33 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: vets vets vets..blah blah blah "these "vets" sure have been making me feel like shit" I don't believe that the intent of the "vets" is to make you or anyone else feel like shit. At least, my post was not intended to be that way. List vets just happened to be around when the list was small. Do I think I'm cooler because of that? No. Do I care that other people were on the list before me? No. Do I expect to impress other people by saying that I went to JewelStock? No. No one on this list should put any personal stake in when other people started listening to Jewel, and if they do, they have their own problems to sort out. Probably similar problems to those who actually do feel as though they're better than others because of "time status". - -Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:21:03 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: Long-Time List Members I simply can't resist the urge to offer my input on this topic. Let us first lay down the facts: A) Jewel is not the same as she was when this list first started and she never will be again. She's simply too big. End of argument. B) This list is not the same as it was when it first started and it never will be again. It's simply too big. End of argument. Us "vets" liked the list the way it was pre-JewelStock because everyone knew each other and it had a REAL sense of community... not this quasi-intimacy that so many people are trying to force. It's not going to happen with this many people. The list has become too large, and in turn, too diverse in terms of when people joined, why people joined, and what types of attitude everyone is bringing to the list. I agree with most people, the discussion could be better, it could have some humor and character, but it's not going to be the way it used to be. Sorry if this was filled with negativity, but sometimes facing the music means having to listen to... well, music that you don't like. - -Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:13:44 -0600 From: Ronnie J Stratton Subject: NJC: Okay... Okay, I'm new here, do we talk about anything we want? And what are "vets"? write back anyone-RJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 17:00:37 PST From: "Brian McKenzie" Subject: Re: Jewel: an exterior view I've never posted before but I read most of them. Nico's is the best one I've heard in a long time. Somestimes we just have to take a few step backs and look at the motives behind our actions and especially our perceptions. The people in the lime light are not perfect and we can NEVER expect them to be so. Congratulations Nico. You are a tribute to EDA's everywhere. Just Brian. >From: "Nico Pham" >Subject: Jewel: an exterior view >the recent dicussions about the "changing" Jewel and the "changed" >EDA-list led me to write this letter, and I appreciate it when you read >it, 'though my skill to express myself correctly in English is far from >being perfect. This is my opinion: >No doubt, we all here adore and love Jewel. But we have to be very >careful: nobody (almost) actually knows her or has even met her. Ask >yourself, do you like her because you pretend to know her? Or do you >just love the image you have, an image created by media and by Jewel >herself? Yes, I mean "by Jewel herself". Or do you really believe that >she IS what she expresses in some of her songs? > >Lay down your enthusiasm a little bit and you will see that Jewel simply >wants to get the best out of her situation, including the fact that she >gradually loses contact to her basic fans. So her image we have changes, >and that's what caused recent dicussions, I think. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 20:10:43 -0600 From: Ronnie J Stratton Subject: Lyrics... Hey Everyone! If you're bored, e-mail me, RJ, at twinky17@juno.com but does anyone out there in Cybersville(figure of speech) have the lyrics to Jewel's "Who Will Save Your Soul" or "Hands" or "Foolish Games"? E-mail them to me! THANX-RJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:25:50 -0500 From: Paul Schreiber Subject: Re: EDAs are EDAs -- vets are animal doctors Linda, >I just wanted to point out really briefly that sure the play on words and >actions is fine and all but "vets" in this case aren't "animal doctors" > >it's short for "veterans" [snip] Adrian (who started this thread), was certainly aware of that; he was exercising his literary licence. What he was pointing out was that, in his eyes, all EDAs -- vet or not -- are equal. I'll let his words speak for themselves: >Rebecca's touched me as a reminder of how elitist, and exclusionary, the >term "vet" can seem; there may only be a tiny handful of EDAs who actually >present themselves as somehow being superior because of how long they've >been on this list; but the continual tossing around of the word when >discussing how things have changed or worsened, can be hurtful; every >individual is equal, whether they joined today or before Jewel learned to >yodel :) Paul shad 96c / 3A CS / mac activist / eda / fumbler fan of / jewel / sophie b. / sarah slean / steve poltz / emm gryner / / x-files / buffy / dawson's creek / habs / bills / 49ers / t h i n k d i f f e r e n t. Your love is better than ice cream / better than anything else that I've tried / - -- Sarah McLachlan, "Ice Cream" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:20:58 EST From: Jwlfan22@aol.com Subject: today - PLEASE READ Hey everyone. I just joined the digest list recently. I joined because I kept hearing about what a wonderful community it was and how close knit and personal it was. I just wanted to throw out a couple things for discussion or consideration or whatever. With a few exceptions, the posts have been negative. I know a lot of the list members, like me, have been in their own states of despair, of depression. But for a lot of us, Jewel gave us hope. She let us know we were not alone. She gave us something to believe in. And so a community was built for people who had found Jewel and who, in turn, found hope also. This is what she was for me. For some of you she made a stand. For others, she was a role model or a strong female personality you could look up to. She is many different things, like every person is. Why should we have to tear her apart? She’s in the spotlight and she will make mistakes. She has to. It’s part of being a human. She may grow to be what we like or she may grow to be what we hate, but Jewel is still growing and we should appreciate that. I hate to psychoanalyze everything, but this post really hit hard: >I am sure Jewel used us for her own reasons and, let's fess up to this, [she] no >longer needs us if she ever did. I hate to say it but that may be true. Maybe she doesn’t need us. But we need each other. Maybe we don’t need the list or T.V. updates or all of the list members, but we need positive people in our community. If no one believed in the dream, what would become of the dreamers? Without the dream we have nothing. Without each other we have nothing. The list isn’t what it used to be. That may be a fact. It, too will change because things have to change or they’ll die. . . You can focus on how great yesterday was, but you’ll only lose today. Adios for now, mis amigos - -Joe your one constant star angel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:56:32 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB-The HGH Pages at www.jeweljk.com In a message dated 3/15/99 8:17:45 PM, KNicky3116@aol.com writes: <> Hi Nicole & others interested, Yes, we plan on eventually conducting workshops in many locations & the East Coast will certainly be included. Also, if you went to the HGH pages on Jewel's website & only saw the letter from Nedra, then you're missing A LOT OF CONTENT! Under the screen with Nedra's letter are several links to more HGH areas of the site including multimedia (RA Videos) about HGH. Please take another look. :-) MrBB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 21:54:38 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: I think we're getting there! Keep Going! Hi again, While I can't speak for all the old timers on this list, I do know that most of the ones I know personally LOVE new subscribers. Personally, I find the new folks interest, curiosity & enthusiasm contagious & they keep me in touch with why I came here in the first place. It's the new folks interest to a large extent that keeps me interested in being here! And in regards to our current discussion about the future: I knew moderation in & of itself wasn't the root of the lists problems & I never wanted to eliminate the offshoot lists as some may have thought. But I had to say what I said to to expose the root of why things are at a standstill these days on THIS LIST & hopefully kickstart some solutional thinking about it. The responsibilities for improving this list lie not with the moderator, but with ALL the EDAs acting more consciously respectful toward each other & a LOT more effort toward educating & welcoming new people. But saying THAT would have accomplished very little (I've tried it before!). By stating all those things the moderator has been FORCED TO DO over the years, was the only way I could think of to have people realize that YOU still determine the overall direction of this list. (There's a method to my madness!) Obviously, I think that the "strictness" of some policies being relaxed a bit would improve this list, but I also know that cannot be successful without more serious thought & effort from The EDAs themselves. My only other thought tonight is regarding people who've already given up or are leaning in that direction. There will always be a few "voices of doom" out there, but you can decide for yourself how you want to approach the people on this list (& your life in general for that matter). Approaching things in a negative or positive way is a choice we all make for ourselves. After a few days of venting, the discussion is starting to move into some very insightful areas. I can clearly see that if you want it, there IS hope for improving this experience for everyone. Keep going! Alan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:05:55 -0800 (PST) From: Adia Ahrens Subject: HOW EMBARRASSING!!!!!!!! I think I have only one thing to say! I am completely embarrassed to be an EDA right now! Why would it matter if I liked peanut butter before "so and so" liked peanut butter? We can all like peanut butter, let's like peanut butter together! The only thing I can see that is better about knowing about Jewel before she got all famous, is that you have known about her longer, you possibly got to see Jewel upcloser, more laid back, etc.. That doesn't make you any "cooler", or any more of a FAN(as some of you want to call it, you sure aren't acting like it), than anybody else! How selfish of ya'll to say that your a better fan or that others shouldn't have a say in anything because they don't know when Jewel's birthday is! How come now all the so called "vet's" are showing up? I think if were gonna label people as "real fans" then I think the one's that are here now are more of the fans, the one's who are writing in about the Aussie concerts, or the one's looking for tab, or the one's talking about Jewel's new video, not the one's arguing about how prime the good ol days were, and bitching about the present! You can't go back in time so make the best out of what you have! I guess I have one more thing to say! Why the hell out of all the groups out there bashing Jewel's life, her career, her family, her thoughts and ideas, and especially her so called mistakes, why are you in her fan club? Out of all the artists out there, Jewel is the one people are talking poorly about! I'm so confused! What did she do to you? On a sad note, if people are in here reading these posts that aren't fans of Jewel's they must be laughing hysterically! How embarrassing it is to have to have are posts be monitored so we don't offend each other, why would people who have been so heavily influenced by Jewel want to hurt each other! Like HELLO were called THE EVERY DAY ANGELS, remember? Oh what fans we are! How flattering for Jewel though, all these chickens with no heads running around fighting over her, "Oh I love her more, no I do, blah, blah, blah!" I don't know how to end this so I guess I will say good luck to all, this seems to be a competition of sorts! Whether you like it or not we are a "whole", why can't we act like it? P.S. Don't answer that! Adia "Boop-Boop-y-Doo!" -*Jewel* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 19:18:37 PST From: "jewel jk" Subject: vets,future of list, and whatever hey, what is up with everyone? you are all talking about how the list has changed and it was way better before. maybe it changed for the better. more people are here to talk about how we all enjoy jewel. that is what we are here for. so please just stop writing about how you dont like the list as much as before. if you dont like it, then just try to make it more enjoyable for everyone. sorry if i semmed rude, Tanny "There's gonna be some stuff that you're gonna see that's gonna make it hard to smile in the future, but whatever you see, through all the rain and pain, you gotta keep a sense of humor. Gotta be able to smile through all this bullshit. Remember that....." "Smile"----Tupac Shakur ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 22:36:32 -0500 From: shallowend@asan.com Subject: Re: The list & the EDAs Once again Greg posts an amazing post (I find myself saying that everytime he posts). And he brings up something great, if your new to the list please come to a gathering if you can, it's a great way to meet people have lots of fun, and it's an important part of this list and I think it's the major part of why things have changed. I was somewhat angered by the fact that at the first bearsville we had 50 people, and last year even though the list was bigger only had 30. Dont know why that happend but it did, made me kind of feel like people did'nt really care. Now the other thing that makes me a tad bit angry is that if lets say Alan says hey Jewel will be at MTV we need 100 people all of a sudden there are 100's of fans who can drop everythng change there plans at the last minute and make it to NYC, where are all these people when we're cleaning beaches. Come to a gathering and you learn what all the ummm if I dont call us vets what do I call us, are talking about when they talk about what this list was like. John >Funnily enough, I was a member of this list well over a year before I had a >real opportunity to meet several of my fellow EDAs in the flesh. That >opportunity, however, was a blockbuster -- the fabled JewelStock. A very >chaotic three days, where I got to meet, in the flesh, the people who went >with the names of Dan Stark, Liz & Shelly, Rachel Martin, Steve Ito, Mike >Connell, and many others. A true awakening, which was only intensified >when 30 of us crashed Liz's 16th birthday party the following February, and >reaffirmed that there was something more than Jewel which linked us all >together. A feeling which I have experienced again and again, whether it >be a Rugburns concert in Toledo, LRTs near and far, or an out-of-the-blue >meeting in Austin TX which mellowed an otherwise stressful three months >away from home... > >So what am I saying? I guess that the thing which best personifies the EDA >spirit is a gathering. A party, a concert, whatever. We need more of >them. One LRT per home per year is kind of a poor substitute for the >community spirit that was so much fun in 1996 and 1997, but it's a good >start. More concerts! More campouts! More birthday parties! :-) ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #131 ***************************