From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #119 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Friday, March 12 1999 Volume 04 : Number 119 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jewel on Dawson's creek in the UK ["Nosh" ] I'm Sensitive ["jewel jk" ] Re: updated tour info on Jeweljk.com [Harinder_GREWAL@MCD.gov.sg] njc: re:baby issue [LuverMb20@aol.com] dream~banner [QTPYSK8R2@aol.com] Re: Jewel's next album [Diana Ruiz ] Re: njc: re:baby issue [Nat ] The Gosh Darn List [AESTHETE99@aol.com] Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this [Peter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:21:54 -0000 From: "Nosh" Subject: Re: Jewel on Dawson's creek in the UK Sorry to have caused any confusion by my last post. I just expected people to realise that I meant one of Jewel's songs would be featured during that episode. Nosh http://listen.to/jkilcher >Providing Channel 4 screen a new episode of Dawson's Creek (season 2) every week without interruptions, the one featuring >Jewel should be on the April 7th. > >Nosh > >http://listen.to/jkilcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:40:10 PST From: "jewel jk" Subject: I'm Sensitive does anyone have a live recording of im sensitive on their angelfood or something? "There's gonna be some stuff that you're gonna see that's gonna make it hard to smile in the future, but whatever you see, through all the rain and pain, you gotta keep a sense of humor. Gotta be able to smile through all this bullshit. Remember that....." "Smile"----Tupac Shakur Tanny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 09:53:50 +0800 From: Harinder_GREWAL@MCD.gov.sg Subject: Re: updated tour info on Jeweljk.com Hi Jeanette & all, Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Front row?! Dang!!! Are u going with a lot of friends? How did u know about the concert? There was no publicity (well, I am cooped up in teh office all day, so what woudl I know, right?). So anyway, I got tix the very next day, Sunday, cos that's when I found out. And the front block was almost all sold out. I got the very last row, right at the corner. If I had wanted separate seats, I could have gotten third row, thoguh. I was so outraged, and cursed and sweared at Warner for the lack of publicity before tix went on sale. I've kind off cooled down now, though. :) Well, I shoul've joined this list sooner, eh? :) Does anyone know the set-list? I'd really like to know... Thanks! harin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 20:48:23 EST From: LuverMb20@aol.com Subject: njc: re:baby issue Hello. Thank you for your good wishes and I will certainly pass them along to my teacher. I wanted to reply to this on the list becuse i dont want people thinking of me as a bad person. My main statement in my letter was that I hope he doesnt have a baby born with a disability, but if he does, of course that baby deserves just as much love and respect as any baby does. Of course there is no ideal baby. But, to try and make what im trying to say shorter....i hope my teacher's baby doesnt have developmental problems, as you title it becuase it causes more problems in the long run. Not necessarily problems of love and support from relatives, but more society related issues, such as being tormented by her peers, and just the fact that she may be harder to raise. This does not mean that the child will be loved any less. But, if there was a choice to have a child being born completely healthy or not, i think the answer would be without, regardless of who you are. I think the amount of love any baby receives isnt dependent on the child itself, rather on the maturuty and honor of the parents who have it. I hope that made sense. Ami > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 21:00:21 EST From: QTPYSK8R2@aol.com Subject: dream~banner hi angels~ i wanted to tell you all about a dream i had a few nights ago.I was at a jewel concert and i met jewel.I asked her if she could sign my "special" picture(its a pic of her after the wizard of oz concert) and she said sure....so i went home and was looking EVERYWHERE but could not find the picture.So i knew she was busy so i settled for her signing my cd.Then i woke up....very bizzare. On another subject i went to my local music store and they had a soft cloth cotton banner with a great pic of jewel and it said "spirit". I asked the sales clerk if i could have it or buy it when they were done...she said no.She kinda sounded like she wanted it too....so tomorrow I'm gonna go and ask her boss :-) it is and AWESOME banner definatly worth $25 Hopefully i can buy it!! Well thats all love always~jamie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 17:52:45 -0800 From: Diana Ruiz Subject: Re: Jewel's next album Hey, I secound that!!! That would be really cool!!! Good idea there Eliot!!!! {\O/} /_\ Diana an EDA FOREVER!! "Might as well smile, 'cause there's no point in being mean, guess that's just, What you get, When you forget to dream" *Nikos* ~Jewel~ >Hi everybody > > Yes, I know it's kinda early to be talking about Jewel's next album > >but I got a great idea I'd like to pass on.. I was thinking that it >would be cool if Jewel would let us pick the songs on her next album. >We >could do a poll to see what the most popular 10-20 unreleased(stuff >not >on her 2 albums)Jewel songs are then have her do those songs for the >album. > This would allow the some of the really good unreleased songs to hit > >the airways, you know like "1000 miles away", "Sometimes It Will Be >That >Way", "Why I hate Valentine's Day" etc > The album's possible title "EveryDay Angel"- a reference to her and >us >at the same time. > >What da think >Eliot >Lemon1@hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:35:08 From: Nat Subject: Re: njc: re:baby issue >I've worked with people with developmental disabilities for a long time, >and one thing I've become to know is that there is no 'ideal' or 'perfect' >baby. People born with developmental disabilities are no different from >you or I. They deserve all of the same love and kinship that we take for >granted. Many people say that they want the perfect baby, and when they >have a child born with a disability, they feel let down, or betrayed. >Children with disabilities are no more or less perfect than you or me. We >all have disabilities. I think that everything in our lives happens for a >specific reason. Sometimes its hard to find that reason, sometimes, we >never find the answer, but there is always a reason. > >I've seen hundreds of people with DS that lead wonderful, prosperous lives. > People with disabilities shouldn't be frowned upon, we shouldn't be sad >for them. I agree with everything you say, as I'm sure most people would. But all parents want healthy babies, physically and mentally. Not because they will love the child any less (hopefully) but because disabilities are just that, disabilities. All loving parents have a seemingly innate desire to see their child reach and attain all of their potential, and disabilities inhibit those potentials. I don't think people want the "perfect baby", it is such a utopian ideal and most people would be happy just having a healthy baby. That isn't a bad thing and it would be a very human reaction to be "let down" or "betrayed" if their baby is born disabled. Why? Because good parents, loving parents, want their child to achieve great things without having the emotional, physical and mental struggles that accompany disabilities. Hope that makes sense :) Nat The Classical Angel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:03:37 EST From: AESTHETE99@aol.com Subject: The Gosh Darn List Hey all, I too am coming up on my third annniversary of being on this list and although I've not been on as long as some people, I do remember a time when reading posts filled with humor and personal anecdotes moved me to respond on a regular basis. I do remember when Liz would post several times a day in fits of adolescent hysteria. I remember when the list seemed to be more of a close knit community as well. Inevitably it has grown and lost a lot of its intimacy. My closest friend, whom I met at Jewelstock, no longer subscribes. I lament many of the changes Alan has mentioned and stuck around too, like Tammy, out of sentimentality rather than a vibrant and living interest in the list's content. But I also know nothing about moderation. I have watched Mike wrestle many alligators to make our list a safe and fun place to be. Maybe, as its been said before, we are simply too large to both moderate effectively and retain our closeness. I really have no idea. I've done what I could to contribute when this list might have folded due to space concerns and so forth, but beyond that I've simply benfitted. I would love to get excited again about reading my digests every day and feel more connected and want to hear ideas about making that happen. But I do wonder if our time, meaning list "vets", has come and gone. Having said that I will probably be assualted by a variety of people for my pessimism. I don't mean to be, but someone more creative than I will need to find the solution. Jon Reade ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 22:10:12 -0500 From: Peter Subject: Re: The Future of The EDAs- PLEASE read this I have been on this list for almost three years (before JS), and I became a permanent lurker just about the time YWMFM took off and the subscriber list grew beyond belief. I was one of the people who appreciated the decision for list moderation, although I still to this day find most postings not worth reading. I read posts from some of the subscribers that were active when I first joined and attended JS. The others are generally sent straight to the trash, primarily due to what I consider their superficial nature. Perhaps the more serious and enlightening posts do not get through as Alan has intimated, or perhaps those types of posts simply are not being sent to the list. They instead are sent privately, as Alan has written. I believe part of it is simply that the coffeehouse Jewel, who could actually chat with those small numbers of fans, no longer exists in public. The Jewel that most people, including subscribers in the last couple of years, now hear is living on a different plain. The old Jewel is now only allowed to perform in surprise engagements, such as that bar in Australia, where she could connect with the small number of locals. Because that is no longer possible, at least in the US, Jewel does not draw upon the same type of listener. I could continue with further examples, but I suspect some people might take great umbrage with my assertion, so I will only reemphasize the point that Mike does not have to moderate or prevent the posts to which Alan refers. They simply don't exist at this state of Jewel. It is certainly not Jewel's fault, nor anyone on this list. As wonderful as Jewel's music can be, it is not enough to comprehend Jewel the person. Jewel the public person is now part of the soundbite era, and no one can make any serious claim that a person can be understood through soundbites. The Jewel that is discussed on this list is "Soundbite Jewel". Peter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:23:06 PST From: "Sang-Wun Kim" Subject: 1st Sydney concert Setlist + more to come Hey all, Apologies for the very late post, just been Jewelstruck for the past week, and one more concert tonight. I've noticed that not many setlists have been put up, so I'll put all the syd concerts up in the next couple of days. 9th March, 1st Sydney concert. Steves set: 10 chances (A song he wrote in Australia, he liked the term 'hissyfit' so he put that in it) Silver Lining (expains who John Kruck is - thankyou) I thought I saw you last night (with Jewel) Everything About you Star Wars Song (Go Chewy Go!) '26' ABC's Enter Jewel: Don't Deep Water What's Simple is true Hands Jupiter YWMFM (with story) Passing time Cold song Enter from the East Life Uncommon Barcelona Foolish Games Down So Long Down Love Me Just Leave Me Alone Who Will Save your soul (awesome 10minute version where Jewel sings Scat for ages and just totally goes wild, really cool) 1st Encore: Absence of Fear Angel Standing By 2nd encore: Chime Bells I've heard a few versions of the WYMFM story, But I suppose now that Steve is on the band and is there to defend himself, Jewel pays out on him big time which is really funny. She makes jokes about his skinny white chicken legs when he wears shorts and mocks his pure, innocent catholic boy meantality when he gets all excited by just being near all the pot. One more thing, Jewel: Poet/Singer/Songwriter/Inspiration..........Seductress. I don't know how she has been in previous concerts, But oh boy, she really gets the crowds going when she starts dancing during the intro to WWSYS. In the third concert when she starts swinging her hips to the WWSYS intro, Steve and Doug Pettybone get on there knees and start bowing and worshiping Jewel, It's very funny. After a while Jewel notices Steve bowing at Her and She throws Something at him I think it was a Guitar Pick, She was so embarrassed. Probably Payback For Knocking Steve about His Skinny Chicken Legs. A special hello to Louise for having the guts to get up on Stage and Drink Steves beer. anyway more to come, - -Sang. still on high. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 19:55:11 -0800 From: "Adrian du Plessis" Subject: Re: The Future of the EDAs Hi all -- I have a lot of thoughts, and much I could say, on the issues that are embodied in Mr BB's post about this list and the process of moderation. For now, I just want to jump in and say that, in viewing this EDA list as, a microcosm of our larger society, and as a sub-culture unified, but not defined, by musical interests there is a real benefit in allowing talk to flow freely ie. un-moderated. The life of a community, if it is to be vibrant and creative, requires a free flow of discourse -- about thoughts, feelings, dreams, inspirations and aspirations that cannot be contained so easily under subject matter headings. The organic growth of many ideas -- literally the magic that there is in human contact -- suffers when things are compartmentalized or segregrated. I can appreciate the logistical or technical needs for containment -- eg. should there be such a volume of discussion that the server can't handle the load -- but that may be as theoretical as practical an element. Like water finding its own level, I believe (rightly or wrongly) that on-line discussion will also find its own level if free to do so. (And some people could leave if they find it's not to their interest and drop off, some might want to join as a result -- the point being that whatever forms as a result of this unrestricted on-line interaction will be a real community with an identity.) I'm dealing more with general principles here than with specific details. Right now, though, I'm packing to head off on a two-week trip, so I'll catch up with folks's comments upon my return. If people care -- and want to revitalize the EDA community it can be done. Mr BB's post articulates, implicitly, the illness and the cure. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #119 ***************************