From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #84 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, February 23 1999 Volume 04 : Number 084 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Bananas & Guavas [t a w ] The Tom Green Show [Scott- e Sykes ] Jewel's straight songs ["Allan Ray" ] Tickets Needed - Aussie EDA's - HE LP!!!!!! ["Phil Edwards" ] Jewel on Pinkpop (Dutch festival) ... ["Roel Cobben" ] Jewel at Pinkpop on 24th May ... ["Roel Cobben" ] jewel's straight songs? [Ycswid@aol.com] SJC. Stop whining ["Michael Ward" ] Jewel Fan-ism issues... [Silverxblu@aol.com] Lyrics: I Don't Care (As Requested by Rowdy) [Gerrit Subject: Bananas & Guavas All this discussion about how different the albums are, POY and Spirit, and how Jewel is so 'commercialized,' to quote somebody on this list, and I've even heard people say that the 'new Jewel' is nothing like the 'old Jewel.' But yet we compare. Certainly, both albums are... artistically interesting? emotionally touching? beautifully executed? whatever. I say it's like bananas and guavas. Why compare them if they're so different? They're both outstanding in their own right. Why diminish the quality of either album, why cheapen it by saying it isn't as good as this or that or the other thing. So it's like Hustler and Newsweek. - - Eschael http://www2.truman.edu/~v523 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:12:20 -0600 From: Scott- e Sykes Subject: The Tom Green Show Howdy Angels, I was watching the 1 and only MTV and the Tom Green Show and Jewel was mentioned. Tom's sidekick, for those who have never seen, was wearing leather shoes and Tom went into a segment about animal cruelty. Anyway, Tom unsheeted a window model dummy posed to be like Jewel. Well he had a paintball in her mouth and proceeded to shoot at his sidekick. The segment was somewhat funny but since this is the Jewel list, i thought you guys wanted to know! Have a great week! "Scott S." -Big Sexy Angel "WE ALL HAVE A FRAGILE FLAME WITHIN! SOME JUST HAVE A WALL BUILT AROUND THEIRS. " P.E.A.C.C.EŠ President/Founder (CIA) and Proud EDA! http://homepage.usr.com/b/breezemaker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:24:05 PST From: "Allan Ray" Subject: Jewel's straight songs I realized how >horribly horribly straight, heterosexual simplistic women to man love her >songs are , especially on spirit. It's not that its a bad thing but her >music..its purity, its innocence makes her love songs so very ambigous, >and yet so very pointed. Very very very straight. That's all I can see in >"Jupiter" anymore, and although its still a sweet song, it just made me >realize how simple jewel's love songs are ... I >realized how everything's just a little easier when you're straight and >you're surronded by cute, straight guys. And jewels brutal simplicity is >what makes it really hard for me to listen to her anymore. If Jewel knew anything else, like if she was gay, or bisexual, then you would expect her to write about what she knew. Well, she does do this, but she happens to be straight. It would be a stretch, and unbelieveable if she tried to write about anything else than heterosexuality in her love songs. Maybe I misunderstood you? Allan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:58:51 +1100 From: "Phil Edwards" Subject: Tickets Needed - Aussie EDA's - HE LP!!!!!! Good evening all! I am looking for 2 possibly 3 tickets for the Jewel concert in Sydney on March 13th (saturday), if any one can help me I would appreciate it. I am prepared to pay the list price (about $60) if anyone needs to offload their tickets. Alternatively if you have any theories can you please tell me how to get tickets for this show. (I have already tried the promoter and the Radio Station) If you could email me privately with your response! Thanks Phil - ----------------------------------- Go to the Greasy Pig Tavern WWW address: http://greasypig.cjb.net Email address: greasypig@hotmail.com ICQ address: 13305531 - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:01:22 -0500 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: New Jewel vs. OLD Well, this will be about the 5th time I've posted during one of these debates. Here's the thing... no musician stays the same. If they do, they flounder and die. It's a proven fact. Look at Hootie. They've put out what, 2, 3 albums now? I don't know cause hey, they all sound the same! I'm a fan of some artists that have been around for a long long time. Take the Cure for example. Listen to their first album which came out in 1977, then listen to something that came about about 20 years later... aside from Bob's (Robert Smith's) voice, they don't sound like they could possibly be the same band. And it applies to less time than 20 years too. Ever heard the Crash Test Dummies? They've put out 3 albums, none of which sound ANYTHING alike. And they were only released a few years apart from each other. The point is, everyone changes, including outrageously famous musicians. I admit, I prefer Jewel's older sound, but that's because that's what I heard first. I was sucked in by the chick-with-guitar thing. I was apalled when I found out that she was starting to perform with a band. A big part of the reason I started liking her in the first place was because of principle. A voice and a guitar. How often (in 1995) did a new artist release an album like that? It wasn't until after I had been listening to the CD for a few months that I started really paying attention to the lyrics (I'm a musician so lyrics tend to be sort of 2nd up the ladder with me). So naturally, when she started playing with a band and started having all this production, I was a little heartbroken. And I'm sure some of the other long time fans feel the same. So I think a lot of it depends on what "version" of Jewel you first took a liking to. Of course, this is hard to say, but I think POY might be easier to appreciate if you've heard Spirit first, as opposed to vice versa. In fact, POY might even seem like a little side car project to someone who listened to Spirit first. Incedentally, my first exposure to Sarah McLachlan was through a "sidecar" project of her own, her album "The Freedom Sessions". They were mostly songs that were on her popular album (I forget the name, I bought it and then sold it a week later) but they were performed live in a studio and all acoustic. I was amazed, and then I got -AH!- Fumbling Towards Ecstacy and was disappointed. I liked the acoustic, live in the studio stuff. Thusly, like I said, I think it has a lot to do with what "version" you were attracted to first. Also, bear in mind, Jewel was like 19 when POY was recorded. Most of the changes (mentally, not physically) that a person goes through are between the ages of 18 and 22 or 23. You grow up so fast during those few short (oh so VERY short) years, so that probably has something to do with it as well. Wow, this got long, I better stop. - -Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:29:42 +0100 From: "Roel Cobben" Subject: Jewel on Pinkpop (Dutch festival) ... Hi EDA's, A couple of minutes ago some of the bands were announced which will play at Pinkpop, the biggest pop festival of The Netherlands .... and J E W E L was one of them .... At this moment it is not clear on which of the three days (22nd, 23rd or 24th May) she will play, but as soon as I know that I'll post it here ... Other bands that will play on this fantastic festival are: Alanis Morissette, Ilse DeLange (Dutch country singer/songwriter), Kula Shaker, Faithless, Skunk Anansie, Urban Dance Squad, Manic Street Preachers and Soulwax. In tot there will be 34 bands which will play at Pinkpop ... Pinkpop wioll be held in Landgraaf in the southern part of Holland ... Seeya later ... Roel, The Other Everyday Angel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ICQ# 16784628 "The things you fear are undefeatable not by their nature but by your approach" Jewel, The Other Everyday Angel: http://www.r-cobben.demon.nl http://jewel.isthebest.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:10:09 +0000 From: Colin Brown Subject: POY better by far! Hi all, I must say I feel POY is by far a better album than Spirit, not that Spirit is a bad album! POY was recorded in a far more relaxed fashion the way Jewel wanted to perfrom each track and brings the beauty of her live performance to CD. It sounds more personal and intimate as Jewel controls the speed and development of each song whereas with Spirit she is bound by a full band which can only detract from the personalness of POY. I feel Jewel put out an album she thought everyone wanted to hear rather than what she wanted to record, unlike POY. Spirit sounds a far more commercial album but in no way does that make it better, it is only due to the record company throwing money at their new found star, and generally it has lost it's lyrical appeal. Not because the lyrics are not good, but they seem to have taken a back seat to the production/band and merely fade into the background. I hope I have not bored you too much with my mental ravings and hope you find some worth in what I am saying. Thank You All, CB The "Elecric" Angel! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:09:07 +0100 From: "Roel Cobben" Subject: Jewel at Pinkpop on 24th May ... Hi EDA's, I promised I'd post the date that Jewel will play on PINKPOP ... Well, I just called the organization and they told me she will perform on Monday 24th May ... Roel, The Other Everyday Angel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ICQ# 16784628 "The things you fear are undefeatable not by their nature but by your approach" Jewel, The Other Everyday Angel: http://www.r-cobben.demon.nl http://jewel.isthebest.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:41:40 -0500 From: "GREGORY P VIA" Subject: the " new " jewel Hi all you EDAs I have decided to post my thought on this " new " Jewel issue ( only because I think people should hear my words of wisdom. HA! HA! HA! ) i think that both of her CDs have that down to earth, make you think, kinda feeling to them. However Spirit i think has a more mature feel to the music. I also feel that see is not so much out of reach of her fans but more like enjoying her fame because i think that she knows that the fame might end at any time and she wants to be remebered instead of fading into time as a forgoten great artist. And i think that it is cool that she wants to expand her abilities to include acting and pooetry. But in my opinion we should realize that all this living her fame and expanding her horizions takes a lot of time and that she chose not to keep intouch with her fans as much. I myself do not agree with it but realize that she is the only one that can really make that choce and i support her eventhought i do not agree with her decition. I am sorry if none of this makes sence but there is some wisdom in there some were. Greg The Weird, But Wise Angle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:34:44 EST From: Ycswid@aol.com Subject: jewel's straight songs? I realized how >horribly horribly straight, heterosexual simplistic women to man love her >songs are , especially on spirit. It's not that its a bad thing but her >music..its purity, its innocence makes her love songs so very ambigous, >and yet so very pointed. Very very very straight. That's all I can see in >"Jupiter" anymore, and although its still a sweet song, it just made me >realize how simple jewel's love songs are ... I >realized how everything's just a little easier when you're straight and >you're surronded by cute, straight guys. And jewels brutal simplicity is >what makes it really hard for me to listen to her anymore. >>If Jewel knew anything else, like if she was gay, or bisexual, then you would expect her to write about what she knew. Well, she does do this, but she happens to be straight. It would be a stretch, and unbelieveable if she tried to write about anything else than heterosexuality in her love songs. Maybe I misunderstood you? Allan<< hmm... this is just my personal opinion, and everyone is entitled to their own feelings and opinions, after all that is what makes us all individuals.. but, when i listen to her songs.. many of them are (for lack of better word at the moment) genderless.. for instance, what's simple is true.. yes, some of her songs are directly about "women/men relationships", but there are some that i see could be about any relationship, man/women, women/women, or man/man.. does anyone else see this? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:56:40 PST From: "Michael Ward" Subject: SJC. Stop whining Hey EDA's! Here are my thoughts on some of you/us whining about: this is better, that's better, she's gone commercial, she's over produced, bla bla bla. First, if Jewel didn't want to be "commercial", she would have never signed that record contract, so stop whining about that. It just seems to be the 'in' cliche with the pretentious coffee-house crowd. (this is not to say that all coffee house patrons are pretentious.) Second: Jewel's music, as far as I'm concerned, is an ever changing gift to us. You don't have to like it and you don't have to listen to it. I personally love both POY & Spirit equally! They are both great in my opinion, and I think it's exciting to see our Angel's music evolve... Which brings me to her being "over-produced", as some of you/us have said. What's so over produced about spirit? It sounds good? This means it's over produced? Jewel used more of the studio bands musical talents this time around, does this mean it's over produced too? In short, if you don't like Jewel's music anymore, stop complaining, and move on. There are other great musicians out there to listen to. I'm staying around to see what she does next!!! Quote of the Day: "If bitching about stuff really did any good, don't you think the world would have been fixed a long time ago?" -Me Michael (not the Arch Angel) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:15:07 EST From: Silverxblu@aol.com Subject: Jewel Fan-ism issues... Hey hey... I don't post all that often... But my solitary bench over here is being threatened. And this whole Jewel fan issue is something I see worth writing about. I mean obviously we're all fans here. We are EDA's after all. And we're all mature. Well we all know how to use a computer, anyway, that's got to count for something... First off... The young Jewel fan end of the tablecloth. I guess I'm one... Aren't we always saying to be accepting? Why does it have to be about age? I simply believe that everyone's got their reasons for listening to certain things... And as I'm sure some *youngsters* listen to Jewel because their friends do, I'm not one of those people. In fact most of my other musical preferences run far away from Jewel's style. So let's not stereotype. So she's inspiring younger people to do charity work etcetera. So she's receiving younger audiences. I don't think either of those are bad things... The community gets support and Jewel gets her bucks, plus a larger fan status. If I were a well-known musician such as Jewel, I'm sure I'd like to expand my reach as many people as possible, do all the good I could. Second, Linda's post and the discussion it sparked. Jewel has changed. Sure. We've established that. But as reluctant as we are to admit it, our tastes change as well... We can't keep expecting her to stay the same, but think about it--if she did, we'd probably complain we were bored with her. She's simply growing and evolving, and if that means becoming more, say, stylish, less naive... then kudos to Jewel. (How many of you can say you listen to the same music or think the same way you did when you were seventeen?) Just my thirty-six cents. *n* - -a random angel- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:14:36 -0800 From: Gerrit Subject: Lyrics: I Don't Care (As Requested by Rowdy) I Dont Care by Jewel Kilcher Good-bye baby, I dont think Ill be seeing you again Good-bye baby, well say that were still friends Even though I know I love nobody else And even though I know, I say to myself That this time Im leaving and I now that were through and I dont love you And that I just dont care Im just so tired of being another statistic on TV The classic case of I love him, but he just dont love me So this time Im going to be the one to say its the end This time Im gonna be my own best friend And Im going to save some love, some love for myself I'll kiss you all serious It might help that I just dont care I dont care So many times, I tried to tell myself That this love would work, if I just gave up some more love for myself I believed if I just quite my crying, youd start your trying, leave your lying But I believe if I just walked away, I could say I dont care dont care You were always the cool one, you stood by the backdoor You said "you know, leaving sorta makes you look good" But this time I swear its the best youll ever see of me So this time Im going to be the one to say its the end This time Im gonna be my own best friend And Im going to save some love, some love for myself I'll kiss you all serious It might help that I just dont care I dont care So many times, I tried to tell myself That this love would work, if I just gave up some more love for myself I believed if I just quite my crying, youd start your trying, leave your lying But I believe if I just walked away, I could say I dont care dont care [skat over two-line verse and refrain] So good-bye baby, I dont think Ill be seeing you again ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #84 **************************