From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #82 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, February 22 1999 Volume 04 : Number 082 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Question [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] A little thought [DKookyBaka@aol.com] RE: Linda's fandom of Jewel [Sue Harrison ] Re: LETTERMAN INTERVIEW [Jesse A McDonald ] Patrick Leonard [Nyree ] Re: Linda's fandom of Jewel [ofer ] New vs Old Jewel ["Arthur, Lori" ] All that has been going on... ["Abigail Greif" ] HRL Correction [Beck82@aol.com] Re: New vs Old Jewel [Jesse A McDonald ] young fans [Hapechickn@aol.com] New Jewel? [BRONCOBAND@aol.com] looking for the Vatican performance in NTSC [Jay Christoph Johnson ] Re: young fans ["André Ishak" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:55:28 EST From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Question I forgot to mention this. A day after Super Bowl, I was watching Jay Leno and he said "Yeah Cher was great singing the Naitonal Anthem at the Super Bowl...", then I switched to David Letterman, then back to Jay Leno. I had a feeling he would make a joke about Jewel but sai d"Nah". But when I turned back he said "...lip synching". The audience laughed and then did the sound people make when someone's been dissed ("Ohhhhh..."). And then he goes "It was really her voice, it was just taped..." Did anyone see this? Was I right and had ESP when I thought he would do a joke about Jewel? - -- Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:43:49 EST From: DKookyBaka@aol.com Subject: A little thought Hi, I am also one of the young fans we seem to be talking about lately and I just thought I would give my thoughts on this issue. I am 15, well actually almost 16, and I started listening to Jewel about 2 years ago. The reason I started listening to her and became so fond of her music was because of the deep and inspiring lyrics and thoughts. It wasn't so much of her voice, although that is a big part of it because no matter how deep and inspriing lyrics can be, if your singing them and you have no voice what so ever, you wouldn't be bale to stand to listen to it. ANyways, back to the subject..... Just because her style may be more produced and all that doesn't mean her lyrics and her thoughts have changed anything because I don't think they have. Her lyrics are still very strong and her personality is still the same but maybe with a little more confidence which is nothing but a good thing i think. Anyways, none of this will probablly even make sense because I am way tired and I have to wake up in a few hours and i havn't even gotten ready for bed. But anyways, just think about the lyrics and not the music so much. Lesley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:03:41 -0200 From: Sue Harrison Subject: RE: Linda's fandom of Jewel HI, Just adding my fandom point of view...... I think Jewel was much more compelling to listen to and watch during her Pieces of You years. With the release of Spirit, she has definitely changed. She seems to have fallen into the more commercialized rock star category. It seems like Jewel's been "taken over" by some big merchandising scheme. She's even doing her hair differently and she doesn't even like it that way. In one interview, I remember her saying how she hated that hairstyle-referring to the one on the Spirit cover and in the Hands video. It seems like Jewel is turning into what other people want her to be instead of who she really is.... I still like her music though. It took some getting used to the new sound. So, basically, I guess I'm trying to say that Jewel has changed, I respected her more when she was just an artist...not trying to impress, and doing things her way. Jewel is still great though. I just don't like the way Nedra has helped to distort Jewel's character to "sell" her more. She seems to have taken away the allure....turning Jewel into a merchandising object instead of that enchanting girl from Alaska who can put you in a trance with an acoustic guitar and one phenomenal set of vocal chords...... Anybody agree/disagree? Sue **the God loving angel** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 04:57:34 -0400 (AST) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: Re: LETTERMAN INTERVIEW > > more thing - has anyone figured out why David Letterman doesn't interview > > Jewel when she's on his show? > > > THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TELL DAVID LETTERMAN THAT HE LOOKS LIKE A > DONKEY THE WAY > JEWEL DID LAST TIME SHE WAS ON HIS SHOW. > > I THOUGHT THAT IN THE END ONLY KINDNESS MATTERS - WHAT HAPPEN THAT DAY? That wasn't mean, it was cute! It did seem as though he took it rather less well than he let on... that is, he seemed sort of pissed off even though he tried to laugh it off... I've heard he has quite the ego, maybe he wouldn't interview her? | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:37:46 -0400 From: Nyree Subject: Patrick Leonard Hi all! Just a bit of info: Patrick Leonard is best known for producing some of Madonna's albums and when he was Spirit's producer some thought that was weird. But I was looking through my CDs yesterday and found out Patrick Leonard produced Michael W. Smith's album I'll Lead You Home (1995). If you aren't familiar with Michael W. Smith, he is one of the most popular contemporary Christian artists. Just a bit of trivia I thought I'd share! Have a great day! Nyree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:56:57 +0200 From: ofer Subject: Re: Linda's fandom of Jewel Sue Harrison wrote: > HI, > Just adding my fandom point of view...... > I think Jewel was much more compelling to listen to and watch during her > Pieces of You years. > With the release of Spirit, she has definitely changed. She seems to > have fallen into the > more commercialized rock star category. The C word?? Sounds like a job for Atlantic records!!! How long is she sighned with them? > It seems like Jewel's been "taken over" by some big merchandising scheme. > She's even doing her hair differently and she doesn't even like it that > way. In one interview, I remember her saying how she hated that > hairstyle-referring to the one on the Spirit cover and in the Hands > video. > It seems like Jewel is turning into what other people want her to be > instead of who she really is.... I still like her music though. It took > some getting used to the new sound. > So, basically, I guess I'm trying to say that Jewel has changed, I > respected her more when she was just an artist...not trying to impress, > and doing things her way. > Jewel is still great though. I just don't like the way Nedra has helped > to distort Jewel's character to "sell" her more. She seems to have taken > away the allure....turning Jewel into a merchandising object instead of > that enchanting girl from Alaska who can put you in a trance with an > acoustic guitar and one phenomenal set of vocal chords...... > Anybody agree/disagree? I think if she doesn't like what she does/what she is, it's not worth it... She is an artist and if she can't feel free with her art it's all meaningless and basically all for the money... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:09:39 -0800 From: "Arthur, Lori" Subject: New vs Old Jewel OK. The "old" controversy starts up. I've been thinking about why I like POY and Spirit. I think POY reminds me a lot of being in high school. It's a chipper optimism that most people lose as they get older. Spirit is a mature optimism. I was on the way home last Saturday after seeing a semi-sappy movie called Playing By Heart (see quote below) and I was suddenly in this chipper mood and felt like listening to POY. When I first heard Spirit, I too was kind of skeptical even though I adore "Hands." But after listening to it for a while, I realized that it's the same Jewel -- only older and wiser. Even though I enjoy the little things that bring me back to my high school days (like running into an old teacher that I had a crush on yesterday or POY), that's not who I am anymore. And likewise, that's not who Jewel is anymore. Personally, I think "Hands" sums up what Jewel is all about. That's what she has been trying to tell everyone. Only kindness matters. There's no point to worrying about every little thing. Oh, and just as a last note I think someone brought up the "controversy" of Jewel saying that she is sick of POY and hates it now. Well, I've written poetry and stories for years now. And sometimes when I look at some of the stuff I wrote in high school, I can't believe that I ever wrote anything so stupid. And other times, I appreciate what I was going through at that time even though I don't think it's very good. So that could be partly it. But, the more practical thought would be: how long does it take us to get sick of a song? After hearing a song on ten different stations ten times an hour, most people get sick of a song. At the very least, you have to put it away for a while and come back to it. So think about how many times Jewel has sung the songs off POY and now that she's older, she doesn't feel like these high school-esque songs reflect who she is. I think Spirit is a natural extension of POY and I love it. Every album has its tempo and it just reflects a change of tempo for Jewel. :-) Lori Jupiter's Angel email: larthur@fullerton.edu _____________________________________ Talking about love is like dancing about architecture. --Angelina Jolie, "Playing By Heart" _____________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:02:44 PST From: "Abigail Greif" Subject: All that has been going on... Hey angels :) I've been giving some thought to the things said around the list lately. Mostly because they bugged me-not the things that were said, but trying to figure out where I stand, and once again-I reached no real conclusion. But here is what I did have to say about it. I don't think I care much about the strip club thingy. They're entitled to play whatever they want, and if they think Jewel is the thin for 'em, well fine! People treat music in many different ways, and this is one. Beyond that-the fact is that yes, Jewel HAS become far more known and popular. Someone said it bothers her that 14 years olds are going around "Jewel, help the home-less. " Etc. Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't see that much wrong with that either. The way I look at it. Well, Jewel's is a very unique style. It takes a unique kind of person to love it-in the way we do. In the way I do, for that matter. But there is no reason why: A. Other people can't enjoy different levels of listening to her. (Her voice, the guitar.) Not everyone has to enjoy the same aspects of something. B. She can influence people to be kinder to each other-how could that possibly be wrong?!?! So 14-year-old kids are more aware of the social issues and problems. She is trying to make us better people with her music, and I think in this case there are several ways to do it. The one she chose is no better and no worse from any other. She is doing a good thing! I think her lyrics are still as deep. Not every song is brilliant, but that's the way it has always been. I-personally-dislike "foolish Games". It doesn't "talk" to me. On the other hand-it was a big hit here, and made her a bit more familiar-and by doing so giving her the power she is now using to influence us!!! Jewel gives me power. Her music makes me feel that I can get over anything. That's why I love listening to her so much. I find her to be one of the most insightful people around. But that doesn't mean she's perfect. Just because she knows what her faults are, doesn't necessarily mean she is able to fix them. Some things are better off left alone. I think if you read her poetry carefully, you may see why I have such a hard time criticizing her. Just as she says in her poem "goodness"-"I think I am still a child, scattering myself thin". She's growing. We all do, that's just the way it is. Give her time and space, she'll get there sooner or later, and like it or not, she will change. So, Like I've said once before (the last jewel-bash I believe) Give her a chance. Try to find other levels to enjoy her stuff if the old ways don't work. Try to grow with her. "And show me mercy and sympathy, let me grow to love." Love and Lollypops Abby *someone's rare angel* {\o/} /_\ "A time for peace, I swear it's not too late!" (the byrds, "turn turn turn") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:57:32 EST From: Beck82@aol.com Subject: HRL Correction << Kinda like during VH1's Hard Rock Live She let Atz play guitar during Chime bells, like he used to when they preformed together in Alaska... >> Actually, he played guitar for "Yo", not "Chime Bells." VH1 messed up and said it was "Chime Bells". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:17:10 -0400 (AST) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: Re: New vs Old Jewel > OK. The "old" controversy starts up. I've been thinking about why I like > POY and Spirit. I think POY reminds me a lot of being in high school. It's a > chipper optimism that most people lose as they get older. Spirit is a mature > optimism. I was on the way home last Saturday after seeing a semi-sappy I hear a lot of people saying things along these lines... that POY is more naive, upbeat, and now "chipper" optimism. When you look at songs like Sensitive and Morning Song, I can maybe see that. But Amen? Painters? Adrian? Nothing optimistic, certainly not upbeat. What I miss on Spirit is the heartbreak... | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:19:36 EST From: Hapechickn@aol.com Subject: young fans Lately there have been a lot of people saying that Jewel's young fans don't really appreciate her music, and are ruining concerts and being annoying. But, having been an EDA for a while, I feel that this isn't true. I'm fourteen and have been listening to POY almost since it was released. I've been suffering from Anorexia and Bulimia for four years now and with -- out the strength that her music has given me I doubt I would be alive today. Sorry, if this is really boring and stuff, but I just wanted to give my opinion. luv laurah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:30:36 EST From: BRONCOBAND@aol.com Subject: New Jewel? I can't talk long, but I just don't see how Jewel has changed all that much. I mean, POY, to me, was a message of truth and kindness and art and spirit, lots of things. But you see, I don't think the message is any different in Spirit. The music has a different feel, but I think it's a more involved feel. A new way to deliver her ideals and her "message." Also, someone said something to the effect that Jewel is changing just to give people what they want, but from what I'm seeing on the list, for a lot of us, it isn't what we want, so it has no reason. Also, if life didn't involve some change in something, it would get boring and repetitive. Maybe that's how Jewel feels and maybe she likes what she has done with her music. Despite what she says, her feelings may change, so I tend to not take everything she says as a permanent response. Just a thought or two. Love for the world Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:58:02 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Christoph Johnson Subject: looking for the Vatican performance in NTSC does anyone have a copy of Jewel's performance from Last Dec. at the Vatican in NTSC format that they are willing to dub or trade? If so, I have quite a bit of Jewel-related video and audio tapes, and I'm sure we could work something out. (nothing like getting into the Christmas spirit in March, eh? ;op ) And hey, have a great day, everyday!!! Jay J. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:08:36 -0500 From: "Rich Long" Subject: My Jewel Site Hey Everyone, Check out my Jewel Site that i have updated recently. I would send you guys these posts telling you everytime i updated if I didnt think it was important or worth you going so check it out. maybe you wouldnt have to keep getting these if Yahoo would put my site on there and it would pop up along with the rest of the Jewel sites out there. I suggested my site over a moth ago but oh well as long as you guys check it out that will be good enough for me. http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~shortdog/Jewel/jewelindex.html thanks everyone, Rich "Jewels EDA" Long ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:17:48 CET From: "André Ishak" Subject: Re: young fans > Lately there have been a lot of people saying that Jewel's young fans don't >really appreciate her music, and are ruining concerts and being annoying. >But, having been an EDA for a while, I feel that this isn't true. I'm >fourteen and have been listening to POY almost since it was released. I've >been suffering from Anorexia and Bulimia for four years now and with -- out >the strength that her music has given me I doubt I would be alive today. >Sorry, if this is really boring and stuff, but I just wanted to give my >opinion. >luv >laurah > i totally agree! i find it almost insulting that they say that the younger jewel fans ruin the concerts...i've been a jewel fan since she released POY too, and i'm 15. i think it's a bit....well almost stupid to say that young people don't aprecciate her music, there's not like an age limit to be able to apreciate music. people are different no matter what age they are....som 15 year olds are much more mature then some 20year old people... andré *the norwegian skateboard angel* ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #82 **************************