From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V4 #13 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, January 7 1999 Volume 04 : Number 013 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V4 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Planet Jewel [Tanner Evans ] in response to MrBB's opinions & ramblings... [CleoCrazy@aol.com] Here's some thought fer ya [W1GGY2@aol.com] The ever changing Jewel [TFace151@aol.com] When does it end? [Jonathan Robert Sager ] [none] [Jennifer Bergen ] my Jewel Sounds pages back online and better than ever!!! ["Kim Lees" Subject: Planet Jewel Hi all, I just thought since everyone else was advertising their site with the list, I thought I'd join in. I have made a big change to it recently (within the last couple months), so some stuff my be new to you if you've been there before. And I bet there are tons of new subscribers that have not been to my site, so why don't all you check it out :) The address is: http://www.tanweb.com/jewel/ P.S.- To all Jewel site creators... I have changed my URL, so please update your links to http://www.tanweb.com/jewel/ Thanks! Tanner Evans of Planet Jewel: http://tanweb.com/jewel "Forgetting what lies behind and looking to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal..." Philippians 3:13,14 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:11:21 EST From: CleoCrazy@aol.com Subject: in response to MrBB's opinions & ramblings... ok. after reading Alan's (MrBB) post concerning his observations on the whole "Jewel is changing" issue, i felt i needed to say something. since Spirit was released, many times have i wanted to post my take on Jewel's latest effort. however, i refrained from doing so for several reasons, one of which i may be ignoring now. first, i didn't want to post a review. i am not a music critic. second, i didn't want to add to the however many posts there were on the subject. i don't like being repetitive. third, i didn't want to get a mailbox full of flames for what i would have said. so, ever faithful to the Good Harris Book, i looked to the "Harris Rule of Posting", which is basically: "Before you hit send, let it sit 24 hours." but be warned, i'm wantonly abandoning this now! knowing that, here's what i have to say.... i'm a vet fan. i've been listening to Jewel since the 60's. BEFORE all of YOU. hmm. maybe that's not the right way to approach this. i mean, how are you to know how long i've been a fan? and even if i was listening to Jewel when Rome fell, does that make me more credible? or more of a fan? so what if i remember the days when there were only two people on this list, me and Jewel? well, you get the point. (i hope.) the only advantage that this may have given me is time. time to think about her music and development as an artist. to think about what her message is. (despite what she says.) i've definately been paying attention. or have i? sometimes i wonder. we've all had gripes to Jewel's handling of her stardom. (i hear all those NOT ME's out there. you're not fooling anyone...) whether it be her sense of appropriate fashion, or her apparent sense of remaining the "same old Jewel", or her choice in flavor of ice cream. all of that stuff is moot. what it comes down to is this: What Is It That Made You The Jewel Fan You Are Today? many of us will have the same reasons, but not all. is that quality that you saw still apparent in her? maybe yes and maybe no. she can't remain the same forever, though, perhaps we'd like her to stay that way. this isn't Never Never Land... hmm... somehow that message seems familiar. maybe she hasn't changed. maybe we're just looking at her the wrong way. maybe we see what we want to see. maybe we haven't been paying attention. or maybe we've been reading the map upside down. ok, here's the part where i stop dodging around and tell you what i think. my opinion. MINE. not yours. i like jewel. i liked her before. i like her now. i see her message as strong as ever on her new album. it's not what i wanted musically, but the CONTENT is exactly what i think it should be. (i'm sure she'd be glad to hear i approve) seriously, though, i don't have many complaints about "Spirit", and i don't think i should. MrBB made great points about why she went with a different feel this time, but what i love most about Jewel is how her music seemed so personal. that's what just a girl and her guitar can do. but though she moved away from that, the message of that personal interaction is still there. and i doubt she'll ever get totally away from that simpleness. it's too much in her nature. last, but not least, is my whole reason for writing all this fluff. to disguise my true intentions. to say but one thing. to lift this weight off my chest. to vent before i hemmorage. (please ignore these next lines. i'm not myself.) what on Earth did she do to "absence of fear"?!?! she "foolish game/celene dion-ed the bloody thing!!!! oh, the humanity!!!!!!!!!!! alright, that said, i want you to remember not my nonsensical ravings, but why you love Jewel and her music the way you do, and forgive her apparent "shortcomings" as being only human. she's still Jewel. thinking different, (and always crazy) chris :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 22:43:12 EST From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: Here's some thought fer ya I have just caught up on my digests (they've gotten rather lengthy lately!) and just wanted to make a few comments..... First of all, please remember, debate is wonderful! Discussion is wonderful! How else do you learn about yourself and others around you? I have seen next to no Jewel bashing - to me, bashing would be someone coming out of left field with a bunch of hollow unsupported insults. Most of what I've seen is people expressing their opinions of how Jewel's new material makes them feel. Well, guess what? That's what a discussion list is all about! I'd much rather see that than 500 posts saying "gee, I love Jewel's music"..."me too"...."ya, isn't it great?"...."of course! Everything she does is great"..."yeah". Oooh, how boring would that be?! :-) And there's been as much positive as negative. Balance is good. Luna's post is awesome! I think it beautifully describes the journey that so many of us have made together, not to mention throwing a bit of nostalgia our way. A tear is almost coming to my eye! In a message dated 1/4/99 Srood01@aol.com writes: >i want to know why jewel cares about humanity so much. dont get me wrongi am >a big fan of her music and poetry. but it seems humanity does only one >thing. it trys to destroy its self. are people born a caring person or do they >wake up one day and say i want to make a difference? > >if any one could help me with this delima i have please feel free to e-mail >me!!!! > >chris I'm surprised no one responded to this. Chris, I think it is different for everyone. Some people want to do good right from the start (why do so many kids want to be doctors and firemen?). Unfortunately, so many of them lose that inspiration along the way. Others come to a realization later in life; sometimes due to a profound personal experience. Only you can know in your heart what you want to accomplish. The trick is to stick to that ideal and never give up, even if it does seem that the world wants to destroy itself. After all, you are as much a part of that humanity of which you speak as everyone else. And, though it's so cliche by now, I still can't think of a better quote than "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem"! In a message dated 1/4/99 Sean Hooks writes: >I'll wait to hear her do some live shows in the US(at ridiculously large venues with a mediocre back-up band >I'm sure still doing YWMFM at every goddamn show) before being too negative >though. Whew! Wouldn't want Sean to get TOO negative, would we? :-) For the uninitiated, Sean likes to - um - analyze. To death. But, that's why we love him! In a message dated 1/4/99 Courtney M Gordon writes: > This is what we wanted and >now that we got it, we're complaining. Maybe we didn't think of this >earlier, but it came with the package. Well, actually, Sean Hooks warned us time and time and time again. Darnit! If we'd only listened to him and stopped promoting Jewel, she'd still be playing those coffee houses just for us. ;-) In a message dated 1/5/99 Erik Johnson writes: >This statement claims that philosophical view points are different >between men and women. If something is true, then it is true from whatever >viewpoint you take a look at it from. The earth turned on it's axis today, that is true >no matter how you look at it, whether you agree or not. Truth and viewpoint are not synonomous. :-) However, you do make a lot of valid points - albeit in a rather verbose way! (Would anyone else pay to see Sean and Erik in a live debate?) I think Jewel does have a much bigger agenda than making records. She really does try to convey the notion that change is possible and it begins with each of us. I think she is true to that no matter what forum she chooses. However, I don't agree that she wears make-up or dresses nice as a means to that end. Girls like to look pretty! It's as simple as that. Dressing up is FUN! Men in general don't seem to quite get that. In a message dated 1/5/99, Amy Sorlie writes: >Enough is enough already--I think some people on this list need a dose >of reality, so here it is. > >Jewel does not care what you think True. And I don't really think anyone (ok, most anyone) on the list thinks that she does. The conversation is between eda's. Not Jewel and the eda's. In a message dated 1/6/99 KramToad1@aol.com writes: >we got to talking to them, and apparently, the older >woman was one of the guitarist's mom from the Rugburns! well, before that >night ignorant ol' keren (that's me) and danie had no idea who the rugburns >were! sure, i knew who steve poltz was, but i had no idea that he was the >lead singer of a band called the rugburns! The guitarist would be John Castro. He's originally from Vegas. His brother James has been playing drums with John and Steve quite a lot lately as well. In a message dated 1/6/99 Dan Perugini writes: > I would suggest that we look to the stars of yesteryear to find inspiration for how >we deal with the stars of today. Dont overcrowd, dont ask, but give. Maybe not to >the stars themselves, but to the communities around you. Thanks, I just >thought it had to be said. Right on, Dan! And for those that wish to jump on the bandwagon of selfless giving, remember to check out the EveryDay Angels Foundation (hey, shameless plugs are ok if it's for the good of humanity!! :-) Well, I don't post often, so I have to cram it all in when I do. I hope everyone's New Year is going well - momentum is so important! Don't sweat the small stuff! Amy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:47:30 EST From: TFace151@aol.com Subject: The ever changing Jewel Listen guys, Ok Jewel's music has taken a turn. She has grown musically(sp).Her sound is more mature more updated. Why is this bad? I like her old stuff too, but i also love the new stuff. I think it is wonderful that her music is evolving. This means her carrer will last longer because she can keep pace with the times like some other wonderful women in the industry (main example Madonna). I don't think Jewel is changing her lifestyle. I don't believe Jewel is changing her lyrical writting. It is still thought provoking and beautiful. The only thing that really changed was the music behind it. AND just think what our lives would be like if music didn't progress. We would still be listening to the sounds of the ocean and calling it music. Love, Teresa The Ice Ice Baby Angel (at least for right now) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:06:30 -0500 From: Jonathan Robert Sager Subject: When does it end? I just want to know why people cannot except the fact that Jewel has changed. it's as if she's not allowed to grow, she cannot do anything different because that's bad. why's that? i mean, this is her creative expression of the way that she feels, it is an expression from the soul. doesn't anyone seem to grasp the magnitude of that? i just don't seem to understand why it's so important that people cannot accept it and go on. just because "spirit" is not like POY, that's okay. it doesn't mean that you can't listen to POY, it just means there's something different to listen to. I'm a big Candlebox fan as well, and i'll tell you, their second and third albums were way different from the first, but i still like them all. artists are supposed to grow creatively, and this is jewel's way of growing. may she continue to grow. jonathan the hockey-poet angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 07:49:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jennifer Bergen Subject: [none] OK, everyone, I know that you guys like to find the little things about Jewel, like the way that she's changed. I agree with everybody else that says to let her grow up, she's not the 19 year-old girl that she was. She's growing up and exploring new things. I know that I've changed dramatically in the past few years, my guidance counsellor in high school even told me that out of the four years that he knew me, I was the one that changed the most, personality-wise and visually. A lot of people didn't like the way that I had changed, but they learned to deal with the fact that I'm my own person. Jewel is her own self and she probably doesn't like people telling her how to dress and act anymore than you or I do. That's really all that I have to say right now, if you don't agree with me, that's fine, that's your opinion, same as if you do agree with me. Thank you for taking the time to listen to my opinion, I've certainly taken the time to listen to yours. Love and Peace Forever, Jen AOL IM: Giggles123 ICQ: 2195936 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:23:13 +1300 From: "Kim Lees" Subject: my Jewel Sounds pages back online and better than ever!!! Hi all you Angels out there!!! I just wanna announce the re-opening of my Jewel RA pages... I know that many of you out there have little or no Angelfood and are only familiar with songs from POY and/or "Spirit" so these pages are intended to introduce newbies to much of the other stuff she's done... although I originally opened them back in October (right on unmoderated day!!!), I've pretty much spent all my spare time since late November encoding new songs and re-encoding existing songs with better recordings from my own Angelfood collection... here's the URL anyway: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/7485/jewel.html BTW, I had originally planned to re-open them on New Year's Day, but then the server decided to play up pretty much literally at the last minute so I've spent the past week shifting everything to a new (and hopefully more reliable) server... :-) Kim Lees Your New Zealand Angel Standing By ICQ# 9270797 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ check out Kim's JEWEL Shrine... http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/7485/jewel.html includes a Real Audio section of over 100 songs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Cause being in love just means calling places When you can’t afford the bill" Jewel Kilcher - "Tiny Love Spaces" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 13:48:50 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dani_Granch=E9?=" Subject: My only Jewel concert experience Hi angels, As KramToad1@aol.com, I also enjoy reading the experiences of the EDAs related with Jewel. Sometimes they can make me feel a little bit jealous, but finally I feel happy for those lucky EDAs (maybe sometime I will make you feel jealous of me, but not yet). Anyway, this what happened in the only Jewel concert I've been able to attend: It was November 6th 1997 (I can't forget the date) in Barcelona (I'm from Barcelona). It was a concert of her European tour but it was also a concert to celebrate the opening of a new Hard Rock Cafe. And that was the main problem. The concert was on the Tivoli Theater, and all the people in the pit of the theater were invited because of the opening. If you didn't have an invitation, you could only buy a ticket for the first or the second floor. The tickets were very cheap indeed, they only cost 6$ approximately when usually a concert here cost no less than 17$. The result was that almost nobody in the pit had heard about Jewel before, the true fans were in the first and second floor, far from the stage, and among them I'm sure there was some people who didn't like Jewel enough to pay 17$, but thought 6$ was cheap enough. In my case, I went to the concert with my sister Sara. She doesn't like Jewel very much, but I invited her to come with me because of the cheap tickets. Even though we get two of the best seats of the first floor (after an hour an a half of queuing), we were so far we can't see Jewel face clearly. Anyway, when she appeared in the stage, I forgot I was far away from her and everything else. I had never seen her before, not even in TV. All I knew about her then was POY and a very little bit of information from Internet (very little because I didn't have Internet at home yet and my access to Internet was very limited). But when she began singing I felt like... I can't find words to describe how I felt like, but I suppose you can imagine. All the concert was great, and Jewel was perfect (or I was too impressed I couldn't see anything wrong). But then something happened that really upset me, some people were leaving the theater while she was still singing. Obviously, these people were some of the invited. They were there just because they had been invited, they didn't give a damn what Jewel was singing. I still can remember what she said when she came back to the stage to play the last songs: "Hey, everybody is gone!". But she didn't get disappointed and continued playing like nothing was happening. When she sang Chime Bells, there were people leaving the theater, but when they heard her yodeling all of them stopped in the middle of the corridor staring to her like they can't do anything else. It was kind funny. Well, that's my experience. In my opinion, she didn't deserve such a bad audience. And I've wonder a lot of times how it would be with a really interested audience. And now, I also wonder how much this experience has influenced the song "Barcelona" especially the line: "Super paranoid, I'm blending, I'm blurring, I'm bleeding into the scenery". I hope I haven't been too boring. I can't wait to hear some of your experiences. Take care, Dani An angel from Barcelona ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V4 #13 **************************