From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #550 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Thursday, October 15 1998 Volume 03 : Number 550 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: small shows and popularity... (Repost) (fwd) [Jay Christoph Johnson <] NJC: Jennifer Kimball LRT (Living Room Tour) ["Larry S. Greenfield" ] RAs and Hands [Sharon Peleg ] Re:Jewel not the same [blh301@coombs.anu.edu.au (Barry Howarth)] Re: spare change ;-) ["Allan Ray" ] Hosts needed/Elizabeth Hummel LRTs -West Coast US & Canada EDAs [ABersha] growth is bad -- it's too bad the Beatles, Jewel et al don't ["Adrian du] NJC: Re: spare change, by Mr BB [Sean35RL@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:25:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Christoph Johnson Subject: Re: small shows and popularity... (Repost) (fwd) > back, it always loved you." lets do that! lets keep gathering at jewel > shows and making EDA signs and requesting songs and showing her that we > still love her! (what could be more depressing to her than losing such an Sure, I'd LOVE to do that, but there are NO Jewel shows!!!!!! Sorry, I just don't know if I can wait until next summer. (I have never been able to see her live. I became a fan a year ago August, and there haven't been that many shows anywhere near me, or anywhere for that matter). maybe that is one of the reasons that everyone on this list has gotten more "irritable" over the past year and a half. Just my thoughts. Jay J. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:30:33 -0700 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: NJC: Jennifer Kimball LRT (Living Room Tour) Hi, all. I wanted to pass along this item from "Jill" on the ecto list, about an upcoming LRT show featuring Jennifer Kimball. Jennifer is terrific, and if you are within driving range of Cincy, this is a show you will nnot want to miss. Seeya! - -=-Larry-=- > Subject: > Jennifer Kimball in concert.....at my house!!! > Date: > Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:41:03 EDT > From: > Riphug@aol.com > To: > fte@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, midwestfte@earthlink.net, > ecto@smoe.org, harbinger@smoe.org, dog-dreams@cs.umd.edu, > siblings@smoe.org > > > > > Hi, everyone..... > > I'm in the process of arranging to have Jennifer Kimball perform a living room > concert at my house on Sunday, November 15th. She'll be performing in > Cleveland on Saturday, November 14, and her manager suggested that I hold > the concert that next day. > > I need to get an idea of how many of you would be able to come to my house > just north of Cincinnati on Sunday, November 15th, for this show. There would > be an admission charge of approximately $10.00 (no TicketMaster fees!!!). > > So if you think there's a definite possibility that you can make this date, > please > reply to me directly so that I can make sure to keep you updated on this > event. > > Oh, for those of you who might not be familiar with the name Jennifer Kimball, > she used to sing with Jonatha Brooke when they were Jonatha Brooke & the > Story. Jennifer recently released her first full-length album, called > "Veering From > the Wave" and it's simply fantastic!!! > > Jill :D > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: corina1013@webtv.net (Corina Froelicher) Subject: RE: Selfishness?? I understand that sometimes people kinda *have* to change, but Jewel has made plenty of money, I don't think she would have to do another album if she didn't want to. Yes some of her music may have been influenced by producers, her record co, etc., but I think that it's not so much the instruments, but the lyrics, her message hasn't really changed much. She said once that she wanted to sing, and make people feel like they were never alone, I can't pinpoint the exact quote, but I'm sure you heard it before, and what is her message in Hands? That everyone, and everything is ok, and will be ok, right?? I don't know, I'm not really worried about Jewel changing, I think that yes the media and popularity can have direct effects on anyone, but I guess I just don't see it in Jewel. Maybe that's becasue I don't want to, I don't know...But even when she got paid all that money for her peotry book, the majority of what she used, if not all, was from old journals. I think that Jewel's heart is still in the right place, wanting to create harmony in the lives of others, and as long as her heart is in the right place, I don't think she can go wrong. I know there have been some terrible follow up albums in the past form other artists, but this is so not a follow up to POY. Lets look at Bob Dylan, anyone think he changed?? Maybe with the times, but he still believes in the same things he did when he first got started. I say though that we shouldn't have any worries about Jewel's new CD when we haven't even heard it, we heard one song, one! The first song that I knew Jewel sang was YWMFM, and when I bought her CD I didn't know she was the one who sang WWSYS, and I was pleasntly surprized when I went through the rest of the songs, obviously, :-) Anyhow, I used to let myself be bothered by other people changing, but there's really nothing you can do about it. I'm not trying to lecture you, I know you know this, but I think we should get over it. I would change too if I went from zero to a billion, you're right, no one could help but change. But I think it has only made Jewel more wise, more aware of the world, and how it works, and why so many things are inevitable, but thats my opinon... I can understand where you're coming from, wanting it the way it was, that really sucks about the concert, I'd had to say something to the creeps. But do you like Jewel's new song, I mean it's kinda hard not to once you know the lyrics, unless you're athesist (sp). I was kinda upset myself when she redid FG, but I got over it, you know she changes her music through time anyhow, look at all the different live versions of WWSYS she has done, and I swear they sound more beautiful and powerful every time I hear a newer version. But whatever, thats me I know we don't and won't all be on the same wavelength, how could we? But at least we can try to understand the other persons point of view. Sorry if I offened anyone, I was being a little dramatc when I said what I said about some people rather her be broke, I know none of you want that, I took that one a little too far. Well I think I've witten to much already, take care everyone, Corina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:14:48 +1300 From: Kim Lees Subject: Hands: overproduced? Hi Angels, k... it's time for my take on the whole "is Hands overproduced?" thing... well, first of all, I think songs on commercial radio are expected to fit to a certain "sound"... this "sound" tends to change over time cos the eighties had a "sound" too but it was a lot different (and in *my* opinion better - I'd much rather listen to Madonna's "True Blue" stuff than "Ray Of Light", but then that's just me...) I've always thought that only one song on POY fitted to that commercial radio "sound" and that was WWSYS cos it was the only one with a proper rhythm section and stuff... all three (including "Morning Song") subsequent singles had to be re-recorded into the commercial mould by adding drums and stuff... I personally don't think "Hands" sounds too much different to other stuff she's done (in particular "Foolish Games", although it also has a touch of Tori's "Past The Mission" thrown in) just that it has already been recorded into that radio "sound"... so, although you *could* call this selling out as she is living up to radio's expectations, she is not doing this any more than she was with the singles on POY... I mean, let's face it, when was the last time you heard radio play a fully-acoustic song??? Kim Lees Your New Zealand Angel Standing By check out Kim's JEWEL Shrine... http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/7485/jewel.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ **** ICQ# 9270797 - please feel free to add me to your list... **** - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "In the end only kindness matters..." Jewel Kilcher - "Hands" (yeah, I know everyone else is using this quote but it's the only one that fully sums up my way of thinking right now...) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 04:17:14 +0200 From: Sharon Peleg Subject: RAs and Hands Hi! I would just like to say I love the option of RAs because otherwise I would never have had the chance to hear Hands, which I loved. Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:29:03 +1000 From: blh301@coombs.anu.edu.au (Barry Howarth) Subject: Re:Jewel not the same Hi Angels, Mr BB said: <> How right you are, Mr BB. The only thing that stays the same is something that is lifeless, dead. Life is constant change. There seem to be people out there who think the "real" Jewel is dead, and they told you so. They're like king Cnut (or Canute) who thought he could order the tide not to come in. They'll always be disappointed because it always "defies" their arrogance and keeps on coming in. My old Sanskrit teacher of many years ago learned many languages as he sought to find the one original language that all others derived from. He wanted to get back to that pure, original tongue; all other languages were just degenerate forms of that original purity; and modern languages were the most degenerate forms of all. I respected his scholarship immensely but his quest was stupid and pointless. Modern languages are simply what that original language is today and are no less "pure" for being living, evolving creatures. And Jewel is the same. I'd also like to support what Ryan said: <> I also think "Under the water" is great-it's certainly different (not solo acoustic Jewel), yet still very much quintessential Jewel (but, unlike Ryan, I like "Nicotine Love" too). And thanks to Dan Perugini for bringing back Crunch's perceptive posts of a long time ago. Jewel said in at least one interview that she hoped her fans would change and grow along with her. Some will and some obviously won't. "Well, sometimes it be that way." Barry Howarth ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:05:48 PDT From: "Allan Ray" Subject: Re: spare change ;-) >What they say: >"She's selling out!" > >What they really meant: >"I want her to stay the same." > >Staying the same is boring. Change is interesting. :-) MrBB I don't know how many of you are familiar with what Led Zeppelin did, but this was demonstrated when they released their third album. It was a departure from their previous releases, and people were reluctant to accept it, it recieved bad reviews etc. All because it was different, and everyone expected what they had been getting. So, it turns out 30 years later, it's a classic album, and I believe one of their best. It demonstrated their many faceted style, as did all 9 of their completely different albums. So, sit back and see what Jewel comes up with. Later, Allan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:13:37 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Hosts needed/Elizabeth Hummel LRTs -West Coast US & Canada EDAs Hi all, By now, you've no doubt heard something about the Living Room Tour shows. For EDAs on the West coast of North America, you now have the opportunity to host an LRT gig of your own featuring one of the talented LRT favorites, Elizabeth Hummel. Elizabeth's name is one you may recognize from Summer of '97's legendary LRT with Cindy Lee Berryhill. Her album, "The Cauldron" is an EDA favorite & she was also featured on all 3 volumes of Future Folklore. Here's your chance to host an LRT gig with Elizabeth if you live on the West Coast of the US or Canada. For all you west coast folks that are itching for a focus for some EDA Gatherings in your area, heres a prime opportunity! Live music always makes it more fun! Dates will be available between November 15th through November 28th. If you feel confident that you can get at least 20 EDAs &/or friends to attend at your home, then you are qualified. If you'd like to volunteer as a host, please contact your LRT co-ordinator Duff (NOT ME!) at Justduff@aol.com. She will be most happy to help you & will iron out all details with perspective hosts. Do area EDAs, friends & yourself a favor & experience what so many of us already know--LRT gigs are definitely where its at! MrBB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:42:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adrian du Plessis" Subject: growth is bad -- it's too bad the Beatles, Jewel et al don't understand! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:38:19 -0700 Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ...the ever-resurfacing debate about Jewel's professional arc reminds me of how great it was when the Beatles were playing venues like the Star Club in Hamburg and the Cavern Club in Liverpool; if they hadn't gained such unwelcome popularity, they could have been enjoyed for years longer by a relatively small handful of Liverpudlian and German fans; in fact, they could have played in a few sweaty clubs and then taken jobs as hairdressers, graphic artists and the other things they aspired to...; instead the Beatles blew it by becoming world-renowned and had to settle for enriching the lives of countless people and future generations; the Beatles became so hugely popular that their concerts were attended by screaming teeny-boppers that made it almost impossible to hear the songs -- this caused the band to eventually stop performing live and, instead, concentrate on their composing; one of the other big Beatle mistakes -- and one that Jewel might commit as well -- was to experiment with increasingly sophisticated production and arrangements; if the Fab Four hadn't mixed with that fellow, George Martin, instead of those weird, over-produced, recordings like Sgt. Peppers, the White Album and Abbey Road -- the group might have continued putting out discs with the simply charming production qualities of their first Parlophone single, Love Me Do; (and, hey, why didn't they stick with that dummer, Pete Best, instead of bringing in a NEW guy, Ringo Starr?! and, dammit, why did that folk singer Dylan -- sometimes mentioned in Jewel articles and who smoked pot with the Beatles -- have to pick up an ELECTRIC guitar?!!) etc. etc. etc. Life is growth, and Jewel and her music is growing. That's something to be celebrated for her, personally, and for the rest of us as lovers of music. I love POY and having had the opportunity to see Jewel perform in small, intimate, settings -- but this is life (and life only). Jewel's growth is inextricably tied to her creative energy, so wherever she goes, and whoever she touches, I'm happy for her... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:43:44 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: NJC: Re: spare change, by Mr BB In a message dated 98-10-14 19:10:14 EDT, you write: << What they say: "She's selling out!" What they really meant: "I want her to stay the same." Staying the same is boring. Change is interesting. :-) MrBB Wrong Alan. Change is not inherently or intrinsically good. Change for the sake of change is actually bad. Change is not interesting. GROWTH is interesting. There is a huge difference between growth and chage. Look at it this way. Growth is a move upwards. Change can be a move upwards, sideways, or back. I sure wish U2 and REM would have "stayed the same" a little more because if you compare their more recent albums to their older pieces, one can see that change has not done them well. I have nothing against trying new things because staying the same is somewhat boring and stagnation is definitely bad. But how about, If it ain't broke don't fix it. Ever hear of that one? Later, Sean Hooks "Sometimes I do talk too much, because I find I'm more interesting than the people I'm talking to, and even they know that." - -Joseph Heller ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #550 ***************************