From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #549 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, October 14 1998 Volume 03 : Number 549 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Morning Song [Airhead Angel ] re: small shows and popularity... (Repost) (fwd) [Santee ] Hands... Like everything else around here [Silver8765@aol.com] MrBB and CHANGE [CACARTIER@aol.com] Re: spare change ;-) [ICURMINE@aol.com] Hands Single [STAC5984@aol.com] Jewel ["glenda" ] RE: Selfishness?? ["Willms, Gregory J." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Airhead Angel Subject: Morning Song I went to CDNOW.com, and they had the SINGLE Morning Song!?!?! That was a SINGLE!?!?!? And the were selling it for $12.49! That's the same price as YWMFM! Yikes! Carolyn Airhead Angel == "You jump I jump, right?" http://welcome.to/mytitanic _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:44:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Santee Subject: re: small shows and popularity... (Repost) (fwd) Was lookin thru my little pile of saved messages from this list, and with Sean and Kristins little messages, thought that this might be something interesting to remember. It is from the ever present, ever cheerful Crunch. Dan Perugini dperugin@medmail.mcg.edu dperugin@mail.mcg.edu "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see that right, let us strive to finish the work we are in." Abraham Lincoln - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:27:30 -0500 From: Crunch To: EveryDay Angels Subject: small shows and popularity... (Repost) =) Hi'ya! =) This is a repost of a post that I posted over a year ago. It is always interesting to me the cycle in which list topics revolve with different players and equally valid opinions. The following post is focused on a debate that was occuring on the list last January. The debate was about Jewel's rising popularity and some list members' dissappointment with the increasing sense that they were losing the intimacy that had been so inherent to Jewel's shows up to that time. =) Interesting how this relates to a current thread on this list. Equally as interesting is my comments about how the rage over Jewel would die down "in a year". Woe me of little faith! =) Enjoy! ************************* Subject: small shows and popularity... Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 21:52:09 -0500 From: Crunch =) hi'ya all!! i'm get down on the lawn and preach some love! =) you know most bands never stop doing small theatres and clubs. it merely takes a little more attention and perserverence to get tix. i have seen many bands, at the apex of their popularity, at small venues. i saw guns-n-roses in 1989 at a small bar in LA. i saw Live (not necessarily their apex) last spring at in a club with 300 others. i saw smashing pumpkins in dallas at (Trees?) 2 years ago. and on.. and on... the point is this. jewel is still doing small shows, though not coffee houses. her security is tighter, and her shows aren't as intimate. but with just a small amount of perserverence it is rather easy to get front row. and when the hype about her dies down (in a year or so?), she will be able to relax and talk to us again. =) i think that what most of us are afraid of is the loss of innocence.... our own. many of us envisioned jewel as someone just like us, fighting her way to the top. we believed in her purity. with sucess comes responsiblity, and jewel has taken that on. and consequently lost that air of innocence that we so loved. she has become more focused and more involved. like any of us would. this does mean she has lost her purity of vision, but she has to learn to refocus it and use it to affect a larger audience. =) jewel is growing and learning. that is never a bad thing. =( any doubts that we may have about that are self-centered. some of us feel left behind and instead of trying to move on with our lives we get a little angry and jealous. =) instead we should praise and support jewel's new growth. she needs our love as much as ever. it is not easy being one of the chosen icons of our society. with it comes many doubts, pressures, and evils. more than ever jewel needs to know that we will love her no matter what, that we believe in her vision, that we believe in her, whatever path she decides to take. =) it is by giving unconditional love that we can show our value and solidity. we all know the phrase, "if you love it, let it go. if it comes back, it always loved you." lets do that! lets keep gathering at jewel shows and making EDA signs and requesting songs and showing her that we still love her! (what could be more depressing to her than losing such an awesome support group?) if she doesn't continue to keep us in her graces, she never really cared. but, you know what? all my money says that when the dust settles, jewel will still be the angel that we all love.... and she will still love us dearly. =) love~life! crunch! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:34:38 -0400 From: thumbkin@juno.com (Christa L Hinman) Subject: I HEARD HANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fellow EDAs, WOW! Is that song awesome or what?????? That is so cool! I can't believe it!! I just want to say to all of those EDAs who didn't hear it yet-GET ON THE INTERNET AND GO TO "JEWEL "AUDIO ONLY" PAGE AND LISTEN TO IT!!!!!! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?? YOUR MISSING OUT ON A GREAT SONG HERE AND TO TOP IT OFF, IT'S BY OUR OWN ANGEL, JEWEL!!!!!!!!!! GO LISTEN TO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!! Just sharing my happiness with ya! Take care Christa the Sunshine Angel 0=) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:16:56 EDT From: Beck82@aol.com Subject: EDA Compilation Tape??? Hey..... I was just wondering if anyone has the most recent EDA Compilation tape. I am I on it and never got a copy becuase I was away this summer. E-mail me if you do!!!! - -Rebecca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:20:25 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: spare change ;-) What they say: "She's selling out!" What they really meant: "I want her to stay the same." Staying the same is boring. Change is interesting. :-) MrBB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:21:09 -0400 (EDT) From: corina1013@webtv.net (Corina Froelicher) Subject: Selfishness?? I've been a little dissapointed recently reading the past few days worth of posts. It seems to me that some of the folks among us would rather Jewel be known only to them, so that she would be an inspiratoin only to themselves so they could feel closer to her. It appears that soem would prefer her to be their own personal hero, instead of realizing that she is many peoples hero, and inspiration. It's my opinion that some in thier selfishness would rather her be a broke and unknown to the rest of us, so that they could lavish in what other people have not discovered. I find this as the worst awakening, a reality I wish I had not came across. I'm amazed at some of the "angels" here. I don't know what you guys think of angels, but I always thought that they would share the light, not want keep it for, themselves. Some of the hatred expressed in the lasts posts has really shocked me, when I joined this list last year, I never thought I would ever, EVER read anything like I read before. Nothing justifies hatred, I can't believe some of the things that were said. Guys, what are we doing here??? Why the hatred, there's just no need for it, any of it!! When I got my first Angel Food tapes, I was in awe, I thought to myself what a great bunch of people!! I was so happy to know that there were some good people left in this world that were actually DOING kind and generous things. And I'm just sad that I read some of what I've read the past couple days. I wonder how many people here are on this list not just because they love Jewel, but because they want to make a difference. Well if your here to make a difference then I ask, how can we make a difference, a positive change if we can't get along with each other? I really believe that we are better than what we have become. What does it mean to you all to be an EDA anyhow? I haven't been on this list that long, but long enough to know that there are people that really do great things here, Mykle who sent me my first sweet taste of Angel Food, and all the people behind the project, all the people behind the list itself, who kindly allow this list to exist, and so many other people who I haven't talked to that I'm sure are great people as well, with great ideas, and souls, and emotions... But I was just blown away, astonished and the things I read... There were good things written too, but I kinda expect that, I mean we are EDA's!!! Sorry if any of you kind hearted people feel taken for granted, that should be a sin because the majority of the population CHOOSES to not be as kind as some that are here. Anyways, I feel much better having said all that, thanks for reading this, I wasn't sure if I was going to write or not, but I couldn't stand it any longer, I had to get my opinion out into "public." Thanks for letting me vent :-) Corina We are better than who we have become ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:21:33 EDT From: CITNAMOR@aol.com Subject: Wav of "Hands"??(excuse the pun) Like most of you, I absolutely LOVED "Hands". I don't have internet connection (for complicated reasons i really don't wanna get into) but I was wondering if any of you nice souled and good hearted Jewel-lovers out there might be able to send me it on .wav file?? Please? Thanks so much, and if not, thanks anyway!! =) Jeff~The Romantic Angel<3 "Our hearts are on the shelves, we can't fix ourselves....but we can fix,, a satellite"-J.K.-Satellite ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:41:49 EDT From: Silver8765@aol.com Subject: About this whole things. (Hands and Spirit.) Alright... Time for Niina to post. It's been a while, I can tell you.... But all this chit-chat is making me want to post, for the first time in a long time. First let's take Hands... Well, I haven't heard it yet, but I'm sure that it is a beautiful song... Overproduced or not. Jewel songs usually are.... The lyrics are beautiful. I think I have to agree with another post, where this person wrote that perhaps Hands is just different from the rest of the album. Foolish Games, in my humble opinion, is very different from the rest of POY, but that doesn't make it bad. It doesn't make POY bad either. Let's not judge before we hear Spirit. (Judging from a few of the songs that are going to be on it, it's going to be gorgeous.) As for Jesse's post.... >Sure it's FINE, but it's beside the point. >I'm not caught up in catchy, top-40 style musicianship. I want to be made >to CRY. Well as little as I like this progression in Jewel's sound, it's >not making me cry. Top-40 music is not always bad either. Some of it is quite lovely, though I agree, my preference runs more or less in music not involved with the top 40. (Another thing: Top this-and-thats are quite full of crap, they only tell the opinions of those who listen to mainstream.) I'd like, for once in my life, to be made cry by a song. If a song manages to do that for me, then I will know it is truly great. In fact the only two songs that have had me even close to tears are both from Jewel. (Angel Standing By... which is what motivated me to buy the album, and Carnivore, which I printed out the lyrics to and hung them on my wall.) Alright... I believe that's it.... Though I'm sure there will be more once I hear Hands. Take care. Love, Happy Lawns, and Such Things *niina* - -a random angel- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:00:24 -0500 From: Carrie Dallner Subject: Misc. Jewel Items for Sale Hi- I have a White Jewel T-shirt for Sale on the Front it has three squared pics on it one is a leaf one is Jewel I think the other one is of clouds (sorry I don't have the shirt right here It's buried in a pile of items I want to sell). Then I have quite a few Jewel tapes I'm parting with I'm just asking for cost of the tape & shipping. (it would be the same as a trade instead you get the original) Here is my webpage of all my tapes. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Lounge/3947/ Please email me privately if interested. I am on the news only version of this list so I won't see any public responses. Thanks, Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:18:33 EDT From: Silver8765@aol.com Subject: Hands... Like everything else around here Hello, Angels. Like right after I posted, I heard it for the first time. ("It" being Hands, of course...) And I have to say that although a nice song, it didn't get me emotionally and grip me and tear out my heart along with the soaring vocals like some songs of hers (Ex. Carnivore, SIBTW) have. If I were a person who was listening to Hands without ever having heard her before, I wouldn't think much of her. I felt as if she didn't use her voice to its full extent. It was mostly low-key the whole duration of the song. Though an alright song, the kind I'd listen to when feeling quite mellow, I feel Hands is not one of my favorite Jewel songs. That's all... Love and Other Things *niina* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:29:15 EDT From: CACARTIER@aol.com Subject: MrBB and CHANGE MrBB wrote: <> I am totally applauding MrBB here !!!! Music is in constant evolution as are human beings! Jewel's song "HANDS" is great ... as was her previous music ...as will be her future music. I think we should celebrate this and be happy for her accomplishments as well as her talent. LOL, I think Melissa Etheridge stated it quite well in one of her songs..."the only thing that stays the same is change".... Food for thought, eh?! Take care all, CA <~~~ a pensive lil' angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:50:43 EDT From: ICURMINE@aol.com Subject: Re: spare change ;-) In a message dated 10/14/98 6:13:51 PM Central Daylight Time, ABershaw@aol.com writes: << Staying the same is boring. Change is interesting. :-) MrBB >> Amen to that one brother! That is short and too the point, if she didnt change (at least a little) we would have another POY. And while that would be all well and good, I thought most of us wanted a NEW album. Tim the paper angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 20:00:01 EDT From: STAC5984@aol.com Subject: Hands Single I was looking at an auction place today. Someone is selling the Hands promo single. It is all the way up to over $50. Some people are crazy. As soon as all the hype is over you could probobly find it for less than half of that. Of course I have seen STL for $250, go figure kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:56:03 -0400 From: "glenda" Subject: Jewel Hey, Everybody changes. Except it. Just think about what the world would be if we didn't. pretty scary. i love her sound. I wouldn't listen to someone like jewel if she wasn't continually evolving. every artist does. love ya! richard WE LOVE YOU JEWEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 19:56:56 -0400 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: Selfishness?? I hate to burst your bubble, but I think you were maybe missing the point of some peoples' (including myself) small bit of disappointment in Jewel's popularity. I do believe that the reason is NOT because we don't want anyone to know who she is, and we certainly don't want her to be poor. The reason is that popularity, no matter who the person is, will change a person... sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse, depending on how you look at it. Everyone changes, including Jewel, but with the sudden increase in her popularity, you can't tell me that the record people weren't all over her begging her and cajoling her into making a record of "You Were Meant For Me"'s. I don't care who you are, when you make it big, you change. I'm a *little* disappointed because I think Jewel's solo acoustic work (i.e. Rare Angels) is her best, and she'll probably never record an album like that now. That doesn't mean that when I heard her on the radio I thought "geez, I really hope she blows it now, I can't have other people liking her." I just happen to like her older music better. And no one can convince me that popularity doesn't spur slews of radio-friendly songs. Let me list a few examples... Live -ever heard their album Mental Jewelry? Maybe, but not before Throwing Copper came out. MJ was incredible, after that, it was all down hill. Metallica -how can a band go from 1983's speed metal phenomenon "Kill 'Em All" to the more recent "Black Album" and bear to show their faces in public? Record execs, that's how. Soul Asylum -Bet you didn't know they've been around since 1981. Yeah, they USED to be good. So yeah, I'm a little disappointed at her popularity, it's forced her to change her music. Call it "growing" or "maturing" or whatever you want. One does not transform from a poor, guitar-strumming folkie to a rock star/actress/published poet in 3 year's time all on one's own. Understand, I am NOT *criticizing* her on any of this, nor do I wish that she was starving and broke, I just sometimes wish that she had remained a bit more obscure in the hopes that her music would've changed a bit less over that past few years. And also so that I could, first of all, AFFORD to see her in concert, not to mention having to stand on a patch of grass 300 yards away with a pair of binoculars while straining to even hear the music over the group of high school football players behind me screaming "take off your top"... all this AFTER having paid $33 for the ticket. - -Greg ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #549 ***************************