From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #537 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, October 11 1998 Volume 03 : Number 537 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- To the list [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] Amen to that ["Jon Arena" ] Re: Steve is a pervert, and a cradle robber... ["Jon Arena" ] we're good aren't we? ["Tom Hall JewelJK Tom Hall"] my apologies [Angeljlb96@aol.com] we all just need a great big ol' enema [NiKoS12@aol.com] RE: well, since we're not moderated... ["Willms, Gregory J." Subject: Amen to that >1. I personally do not care one way or another whether Mark >(MAXMOUZE@aol.com) is hetero, homo, or bisexual. I really wouldn't care >if he decided not to be any of those and he went off and married a turtle >or something! It is not my business and it doesn't affect me. He's >probably a good person regardless of his sexuality and if anyone thinks >that someone else's sexuality (which is not their problem/business >anyway) is the only thing that there is to talk about, then they sign off >the list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:03:12 -0400 From: "Jon Arena" Subject: Re: Steve is a pervert, and a cradle robber... >Wasn't Steve like 32, Jewel 18, when they were going out? Isn't that kinda >gross... No ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 13:36:34 -0400 From: joe Subject: Last Post: My Story! Well folks...I've thought a lot about my post this morning. If you haven't read it, it is attached to the bottom of this message. I've given myself some time to settle down, and think about the things that are happening right now. I thought I might share my story as my last post. Although I don't remember exactly when I joined the list, its been several years I know. I was younger then....perhaps more foolish. I don't come from a real good family. Everything I've done, I've done on my own, and without the help of my parents. When my parents divorced when I was very young, I lived with my alcaholic father for about 4 years. I don't know if you would call it living or not, but I guess I survived. Living in a trailor without any food, or heat for 4 years was nothing compared to living in a family without love. November 16, 1989, the Department of Social Services took my sister and I from my father...and deliverd us to our mother, who we hardly knew. She came around once in awhile..on holidays and stuff. We had bi-weekly visitation with my dad, until he decided he didn't want to come around anymore. In middle school, i couldn't quite find a medium ground where I was comfortable. Having pretty much raised myself, I had the freedom to do whatever I wanted. So I found myself in church more and more often. And in the church I found refuge...I found something that nobody had ever given to me before. I found compassion, or so I thought. At 12 years old, I was a sunday school and super church teacher. I preached to the congregation regularly. And then....I dunno...I decided church isn't where I wanted to be anymore. The church had been a stepping stone..it helped me step back into the world with some morals and some values that nobody had tought me before. I was out of the church for some time, when I started feeling lost again. There was this emptiness, and a longing for a place to belong again. And thats when I found the EDA list. I found people that accepted me, and loved me, and cared about me again. I found shelter...This was my sanctuary. This was where I came to release my frustrations, and hopefully, help other people along the way. Maybe this was where I came to worship. So many people here, wanting to help...Now i had roll-models. People who were truly positive, and maybe I could be one of them EDAs one day...Maybe I could be sensitive, and caring, and compassionate someday. So I started trying to be nice, and trying to be a good kid. And then, after awhile, I didn't have to try anymore, because it became natural to want to help, and to want to be sensitive. I've grown so much because of this list...I've stayed so long, because the list is a part of me now. I've become a person that people in my community admire, because of my work and relationships with the mentally retarded and handicapped. I've become an icon in my high school because of my compassion, and willingness to help everybody, because of this list, I am who I am today. ..But about a year or so ago, things really changed around here (acutally, it was long before that that things started changing). People just wern't as nice anymore...a year and a half ago, if I would have posted this message, I would have gotten probably a 1/2 & 1/2 response back. Some people would have been, please don't leave...things will pass....and the other 1/2 would have been...quit your bitching..if you don't like us, then leave... Today, the response will be more like 3/4 & 1/4. Its just not the list it used to be. Its not the safe harbor it once was. Its just not me anymore. I was here to grow....'maybe if we are surrounded in beauty, someday we will become what we see'. i was surrounded in beauty, and have become that. But now, the posts have grown more and more negative, and are breaking me down. The last thing I need is to be torn down. People used to ask me...what are these everyday angels? And I would explain....but now....people ask, and I almost feel bad telling them. I'm not proud anymore....i'm not happy here anymore. I can't continue to cast aside the shroud... I'm very sorry this is so long.....please let me take this last moment to say my goodbyes to all of my friends...to everyone that has helped me over the years. And to all of you who are truly EveryDay Angels. Keep in touch. ........my salute and best wishes........ joe ***********PREVIOUS MESSAGE********************************* I'm sitting here, thinking about a lot of things after Mike's post about the unmoderation of the list. I wish I could type as fast as I think, but unfortunately, I cannot. I promised myself that I would not post during this 48 hour period, but now I find myself so incredibly disgusted by the posts I've read in the past 45 minutes, that I cannot contine to hold back my thoughts. I'm very sorry, and I appologize to every list member for posting this. I just thought I'd remind everyone that I am an EveryDay Angel, and the behavior exhibited within the past 45 minutes (who knows whats to come in the next 47 hours, 15 minutes) is doing me a serious injustice. Just about everything I stand for and represent has been demolished or bashed in the past 45 minutes. Just about 5 minutes ago I read a post that almost knocked me off of my chair, and I was typing a reply to it when I decided...no...i'm not going to do this, but now...here i am, and the message I just read will not be tolerated by me. When we start telling our fellow EDA's to FUCK OFF, I have a serious problem. When we 'test the water' just to see if we can do it....we have a serious problem...when 5 minutes after the list goes unmoderated, we get messages like 'when is my homework due'...we have a serious problem. Already, in 45 minutes a serious point has been proven. We CANNOT handle ourselves. We don't need 48 hours...we've destroyed everything we claim that we stand for in 45 minutes. How about that...and we dare call ourselves everyday angels? There have been a few times in the past few years that I have really thought about leaving the list, and again, this is another one of those times. I keep telling myself that it'll get better, it'll be different. I guess its time for me to realize that things aren't going to change. Maybe its time to leave... God bless you all.... joe Joe Field, 203 N. Park St., Sturgis, MI 49091 Phone: (616)651-4875 Beep: (616)390-0951 Primary E-Mail: joe@inetplus.net Secondary E-Mail: joe_728@hotmail.com AOL Instant Message: psyfly18 ICQ Account #: 19750428 Yahoo Pager: joeinetplusnet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 19:37:05 +0100 From: "Tom Hall JewelJK Tom Hall" Subject: we're good aren't we? Well Mike you've proved your point. I've just caught up on the 5 digests I got and, yep, it sucks. There are posts ranging from the really funny ("When's my homework due?" - a classic) to the repetetive ("Mike, thankyou, you're great" - a favourite of mine) to the completely disgusting ("I ended up lickin the bearded clam" - IT'S BREADED!!! CLAMS ARE NOT BEARDED!)... Well, I'm gonna go right into one catagory... Mike, you were right - we need to be moderated. Hell, I knew that when we first became moderated a year and a bit ago. The list obviously needs to be moderated and I thank Mike a lot for this, who doesn't? I have had about 3 or 4 posts returned from Mike since the list became moderated, and I completely understood why. It seems a lot of people can't seem to do this. I guess it just goes to show that people in the world are different. Also, I want to say that it's been great seeing some of the veterans back again! you guys rock and should post more! Well, I'll be looking forward to the release of the single, the album, but most of all to the return of "Mr Moderator" himself - Mike Connell. Mike you're great and I can't wait to have you back to maderaating again! Cheers everyone, and please try and play nice until we're moderated again =) Tom The Pink Lemonade Angel PS: I am only 14, and it seems that I've come up with one of the most sensible messages posted in the last 10 hours! cool ******************************************* jeweljk@csi.com SaVaGe GaRdEn'S uNiVeRsE www.angelfire.com/pa/universe19/ ******************************************* "If I could tell the world just one thing It would be that we're all OK And not to worry cause worry is wasteful And useless in times like these..." - - Jewel, Hands. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:08:28 EDT From: Angeljlb96@aol.com Subject: my apologies In a message dated 98-10-11 13:53:10 EDT, you write: << didnt Jewel help write that song? >> Impala? yes she did. I'm sorry if I offended any of you. I acted on a foolish whim out of aggravation, and it was stupid of me. So...I'm sorry. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:16:16 EDT From: NiKoS12@aol.com Subject: we all just need a great big ol' enema I personally just find this whole un-moderated thing a big laugh. I mean come on, dammit, you all are taking this way too seriously. All the stuff I've posted thus far was written while I was laughing. Except for my first post {mike's lil nervous breakdown}. I really meant everything I said in that post. I think having the list unmoderated every so often isn't a bad thing. I certainly wouldn't like to have it permanently {HEAVEN'S NO!}. I mean all these posts (except for those stupid posts about Mark being gay) have been very valid forms of expression. I think this list has been bettered with those things said. I don't know whether this has blown up in Mike's face, or if it's just proven his point, but regardless it just shows that we aren't used to total freedom of speech on this list. It's just like when I was a kid and my dad bought me my first gum in a tube (i love that stuff!) and I was just so overwhelmed that I squeezed the whole tube into my youthful mouth. This unmoderated thing, and the overwhelming amount of posts is just like it. I think if we give it time, we will all settle down, and start being able to eat the gum in a tube a little at a time...hehe that was my stupid attempt to make an allusion oh well...do with it what you please ~lee "the angel who wrote the story about Jewel being attacked by an elk, and who likes jordn lee (so yeah I am bi) :P and is goin' out with him...all the girls at our sister school are jealous of me b./c he is a major hottie and all mine and not theirs!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:16:18 -0400 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: well, since we're not moderated... I couldn't agree more. I used to be on a Dave Matthews list called minarets about 3.5 years ago. That list was unmoderated and ridiculously out of control. And that was WAY before Dave Matthews really hit it big. Shortly after I joined the list, it was killed. Please also remember that Mike and Mr.Bossy Bossy are human beings that must deal with time and other responsibilities just like the rest of us. - -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Richman [mailto:hrichman@fast.net] Sent: Sunday, October 11, 1998 12:27 AM To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: well, since we're not moderated... ...I guess I'll make my first post since we were last not moderated (actually its probably been longer, i don't think ive posted more than 2 or 3 times since J-stock). And as for what I'd like to post This is a public apology to Mike Connell, even though I had nothing to do with all this. But for him to be that pissed, someone must have done something pretty not nice (multiple someones?). Just remember everyone, Mike is a fan just like the rest of us, and the decisions about things like moderation are made in the interests of the list. Maybe you dont agree with the policy, thats fine, but thats the way it is, and I think most of us who remember the 300/post days (or for my fellow digester's, the 7 or 8 digest-a-day days) would agree that its for the better. If it wasn't for Mike adopting ownership of this list, there's a pretty good chance it wouldnt even be here anymore, and i think we owe him a huge debt of gratitude. I suppose there is one positive side of this -- this message will go through to everyone despite his modesty :) Just remember -- we've "made a place where everyone can be free and made safe. Be careful with each other." ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jesse Richman Fear is strangely comfortable hrichman@fast.net +Live+ jesseboy@brandeis.edu And although we were very thirsty Xopchipili@aol.com I questioned the oasis +Live+ Each new BELIEF is a LIMITED SET to be TRANSCENDED The Shamen ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:20:26 EDT From: Ruppus@aol.com Subject: I'm suprised... Well, I have always thought most EDAs were mature, caring, and nice people. I guess the lack of moderating has proved me wrong. Come on everyone, don't act like a bunch of third graders... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:26:12 EDT From: Thoffroy@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Amen to that This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_908130373_boundary Content-ID: <0_908130373@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In a message dated 10/11/98 1:02:36 PM Central Daylight Time, jonarena@sprintmail.com writes: << >1. I personally do not care one way or another whether Mark >(MAXMOUZE@aol.com) is hetero, homo, or bisexual. I really wouldn't care >if he decided not to be any of those and he went off and married a turtle >or something! It is not my business and it doesn't affect me. He's >probably a good person regardless of his sexuality and if anyone thinks >that someone else's sexuality (which is not their problem/business >anyway) is the only thing that there is to talk about, then they sign off >the list. >> - --part0_908130373_boundary Content-ID: <0_908130373@inet_out.mail.sprintmail.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (rly-zd02.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.226]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v50.18) with SMTP; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:02:35 -0400 Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.128.1.71]) by rly-zd02.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id OAA24474; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smoe.org (080020908e73.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.147.247]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28680; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/jewelq-jane) with SMTP id OAA29006; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:00:54 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/jewelq-jane) id OAA28982 for jewel-outgoing; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net (raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net [209.178.63.9]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with ESMTP id OAA28977 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 14:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nec-ready-9716 (1Cust181.tnt1.phl1.da.uu.net [153.36.190.181]) by raven.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20581 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 1998 11:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003201bdf541$062e0300$b5be2499@nec-ready-9716> From: "Jon Arena" To: "Jewel Mailing List" Subject: Amen to that Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 13:52:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable >1. I personally do not care one way or another whether Mark >(MAXMOUZE@aol.com) is hetero, homo, or bisexual. I really wouldn't care >if he decided not to be any of those and he went off and married a turtle >or something! It is not my business and it doesn't affect me. He's >probably a good person regardless of his sexuality and if anyone thinks >that someone else's sexuality (which is not their problem/business >anyway) is the only thing that there is to talk about, then they sign off >the list. - --part0_908130373_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #537 ***************************