From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #470 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, September 2 1998 Volume 03 : Number 470 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide,-- are you sure? [MAXMOUZE@] RE: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus....... ["Willms, Grego] Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real [Jesse A Mc] Re: Amen; w/ transcription ["Austin H. Mandryk" ] about amen [LuverMb20@aol.com] Song Interpretations : Amen [Santee ] Vote for the top 10 albums of the 90's!!!! [Rhino ] An Evening Steve Poltz on VH1 [KSmith7507@aol.com] Steve on VH1 [levin ] jewel quotes ( need some inspiration !! ) ["Nathan Tomlin" > OK I was wrong in saying it was about suicide, but I think it partly is. It's about how people mess up their lives and lose hope and goals -- that is my own interpretation. Kurt inspired one aspect of it but it's not entirely about him and what he did. I think he did inspire the "Where are my angels? Where's my golden one? Where is my hope now that my hero is gone?", Jewel said she wrote the song for people who's idols kill themselves and tehy have no one left to look up to before. - -- Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:46:37 -0400 From: "Willms, Gregory J." Subject: RE: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus....... Let me refresh everyone's memory with a bit of sense that many many artists have told their fans... the song is important because of what it means to YOU, to each person individually. Maybe one guy listens to it and hears a ballad for Kurt Cobain, maybe someone else listens to it and hears a cry out against the brainwashing of children. The point is, it can mean something different to everyone, it's ok, really. That's what the artist wants. You listen to it, and let it help you the way it can help YOU. So obviously, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but there's no reason to argue over it and try to force other people to see it your way. That's as bad as like... organized religion. - -Greg Distributed Computing, Qwest/LCI - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------- "One must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star." "What is it: Is man only a blunder of God, or God only a blunder of man?" -- Nietzsche ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:22:31 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real > um, i think music is an art, and that anyone's anylazation is correct for that > particular person. i dont think it's right for you to tell someone that their > interpetation is wrong....the song "amen" can be about many different > things...and please do not tell someone they're incorrect and show this "i'm > holier than thou" attitude...because art can be percieved differently by each > indivdual. i do not believe there is one and only one correct meaning... Anything can mean anything to anyone, but what an artist actually intended is another matter - Jewel probably had some few things in mind when she came up with the song, and it wasn't created out of nothing. Therefore, there is at least one objectively correct way to interpret the lyrics... as well as the infinite number of personal spins one can put on it. | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:56:07 -0400 From: "Austin H. Mandryk" Subject: Re: Amen; w/ transcription howdy. here are two transcriptions that relate to the recent 'Amen' discussion. The Paradise Rock Club, Boston, MA * May 18, 1996: <------ It's amazing how much my life has changed. Y'know. I(t) used to be so simple. I was raised in Alaska, and I was living in my car. My life has changed so much. There's lawyers and agents and contracts, and ... sometimes it gets really overwhelming and a little disheartening. But it's really the internet the contact with you guys -- the fan letters -- that really keeps me going. I was once had this hotline you could call to find out where I was playing, and you could leave messages on it. I was felling really bummed out and I called up this hotline, and there was this kid on the phone, and he goes, "uh, hey Jewel, uh, i'm not going to tell you my name, because you probably won't remember me, but, um, anyway, I've been locked up in my house for six days ... " and i'm thinking, 'Oh god, who is this guy?' He's like, "Um, I'm trying to kick heroin, and uh, anyway I've been in here for six days, and I just keep listening to your song 'Amen' over and over and I just keep telling myself that your flesh isn't hell, my flesh isn't hell." And so I want to dedicate this song to him. If he ever hears it. - ------> Radio Woodstock, Tinker Street Cafe Woodstock NY * February 20, 1995 (Jewel Residency Tour) <------ I wrote this song for the death of Kurt Cobain. Not so much for him, but for the suicide following he had. I was raised in Alaska on an 800 acre homestead where things were very very beautiful. And you couldn't help but feeling like you were a part of something that was beautiful. I moved to southern California -- about a year and a half ago -- and there's so much stuff on the news telling you how polluted we are and how screwed up we are as a race in general, and how much we rape and pillage things, that you can't help but start feeling like you're kind of depraved, especially when you meet people that were raised with religions that tell them they were sin from their birth, that they're strained by an inner beast*, and it's ... and it's no wonder so many kids stuff themselves with drugs, and tv, and mindless things. So we're not really taught that there's anything else besides our blood and our bones. but anyway, ... - ------> *"inner beast" is the best i could do. it's not well enunciated. pv/Austin __________________________ Austin H. Mandryk / ahmandryk@bigfoot.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:55:35 -0400 From: "Miguel A. Gonzalez" Subject: Jewel mention in Vogue ...it's in the September 1998 Renee Zellweger article (yeah, I know, big surprise) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:54:02 EDT From: LuverMb20@aol.com Subject: about amen I dont know if anyone already mentioned this, but in the book Heart Song, about Jewel, it says the following about Amen:: "Of all the songs she has written, Jewel has said that this one is her personal favorite. With words that tap into our collective unconscious, she delves into the price of fame, the death of idols, and the hopelessness felt by many fans after Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain's suicide. Jewel has ended countless concerts with a chicken skin inducing rendition of Amen" Love Ya All, Ami ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 22:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Santee Subject: Song Interpretations : Amen Hello all. Thought I should write something in response to all who have written on this line as I am the one who started it. First off, I am definitely glad that no one has gone off the deep end and thrown unwanted accusations and insults around(as in flames), they are definitely a downer. Secondly, it is always a joy to see discussion of how you feel so that others can understand who each of us feel. And of course it is always a good thing to see the many different interpretations we have all taken from one single song. Once this thread has died down with "Amen" we will have to continue with another song that is rather heartfelt. But til then let us continue. But now on to what I feel has come up, as in what it was written in response to and such. I found it interesting that it was written with suicide in mind, particularly Curt Corbains. I dont find it surprising that it has helped members of our family here and those outside with problems in their lives. Another thing that is not surprising is the amount of similar yet different viewpoints that has been shown. Also in terms of how Jewel herself has (I guess stated) that this song was not about original sin, or in that she does not take this viewpoint, it is not her feeling I took from there, it was my own. But that is just IMHO. nothing more. But let us continue with the polite and open minded discussion of this song. It is refreshing. Thank you all for listening and offering your interpretations. Dan Perugini dperugin@medmail.mcg.edu dperugin@mail.mcg.edu "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see that right, let us strive to finish the work we are in." Abraham Lincoln ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 19:28:46 -0700 From: Rhino Subject: Vote for the top 10 albums of the 90's!!!! People, Howdy peeps, this Wall of Sound "vote-for-the-top-10-artists-of-the-90's" thingamajig is pretty cool. You guys should definitely have a say in it! Jewel is currently at number 17 for Pieces, and Alanis Morissette is at number 4 for Jagged Little Pill. Cool man.. so get out and VOTE!!!!! Here's the place: http://www.wallofsound.com/features/stories/top_100_albums/90s/index_vot ing.html Bye peeps!!! Keep smiling, Ryan The jagged little angel "If I feel a rage I won't deny it... I won't fear love.." -Sarah McLachlan, "Fumbling Towards Ecstasy". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 23:19:15 EDT From: KSmith7507@aol.com Subject: An Evening Steve Poltz on VH1 OK Steve sang "Waterfalls." Did he CO-write that , or write it, or what. Cause I thought TLC sang that song? I know Jewel has mentioned them b-4 but is there a connection? Someone help me out. ~Pshyco Angel~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:06:02 -0400 From: levin Subject: Steve on VH1 I'm watching VH1 right now and "An Evening With Steve Poltz" comes on. How cool! It's great. He is really talented and I hope to God he gets the success he deserves. Everyone should go out and get themselves a copy of "One Left Shoe". Yay Steve! - -Nova Rae The Starry Angel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 21:02:14 PDT From: "Nathan Tomlin" Subject: jewel quotes ( need some inspiration !! ) hiya eda's , was wondering if someone could help me . I'm feeling the need for a bit of JK inspiration , some angelfood as it is otherwise known basically i need some jewel quotes / poetry to help me .... nathan formerly the aussie angel ( oops stole it from someone ... ) now known as .... ocker-angel :-) ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #470 ***************************