From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #469 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, September 1 1998 Volume 03 : Number 469 * If you ever wish to unsubscribe, send an email to * jewel-digest-request@smoe.org with ONLY the word * unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC: Thank you, guys! (EDA Center) ["Abby Greif" ] : NJC: *( [CloudWingz@aol.com] Jewel in UK "Q" Magazine #145 ["Mike Gray" ] Morning Song's Henry Miller and Anais Nin [Karyn Cruz Subject: NJC: Thank you, guys! (EDA Center) Hey everyone! I just want to say that a lot of people have replied to my post, and many are still replying. It's so great to see that there's so much motivation going around, and I want to thank all of you. I'm happy to say that the Eda help center will probably open this weekend! More info comming soon! Loads of love, Abby. A rare angel lost among you {\o/} /_\ ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ dance like no one is watching,& love like you've never been hurt. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:35:04 EDT From: CloudWingz@aol.com Subject: : NJC: *( Hi Angels :*( Not a happy post today. I feel horrible, wayyyyyyy horrible, and some of you know how I get when I feel horrible, but that's how I feel right now. I started the whole Jewel quilt thing, and I was all for it, but now I can't finish it, and I feel like I've let everybody down. See, my parents have decided I need to get more involved with my school, and sports type things, so I have to do a bunch of stuff in school this year, and I won't be home until after dark, so i just can't organize a big project anymore. It's beyond my control. It came up really suddenly, and I feel horrible. If someone is able to take over the project, I'd be glad to contribute a square, but I can't run it anymore. I'm so sorry everyone. I'll talk to you all later :*( ~Jenny Sugar High Angel AKA The Angel on a guilt trip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:01:25 +0100 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: Jewel in UK "Q" Magazine #145 In the "Best Miserable Albums Of All Time" section... Jewel - Pieces Of You (Atlantic, 1994) If there's anything more tiresome than adolescent angst, it's beauiful people wittering on about how difficult life is. Angsty, adolescent Swiss-American beauty Jewel Kilcher went against type, turned in a lengthy album of rare depth and made herself a coffee bar superstar in the process. Her intriguing ennui is that of a middle-aged divorcee : it's everyone's fault but hers. It's her father's fault she wants to rip his throat out; her ex-lover's fault she's off to the cinema alone etc etc. Cumulatively, the effect is akin to being bashed around the temples with an Erica Jong novel. Yes, that good. Best Tracks : Who Will Save Your Soul, Morning Song, Angel Standing By Best Moment : Morning Song's "You can be Henry Miller and I'll be Anais Nin" - - Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 10:10:39 -0500 From: Karyn Cruz Subject: Morning Song's Henry Miller and Anais Nin Hello, Angels, i read a recent message posted by Steve Garner regarding Miller & Nin in "Morning Song." It was i who said that line was my favorite in the song. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and since Steve explained his reasoning as to why he felt it was the weakest line in the song, i will explain my reasons for why it's one of my favorite lines: i have to admit that when i first heard "Morning Song", i had no clue as to who Miller and Nin were...but the song was so beautiful to me, that when Jewel made reference of Miller and Nin, i was intrigued in knowing who they were and what relationship they had -- what made them a part of this song. So i immediately did some "research" and discovered that Miller and Nin were writers who shared deep, mutual feelings for each other. There was a strong attraction between them (in heart, mind, and body). They admired each other's ability to write and i believe they inspired and encouraged each other to excel in their work. Their personalities complemented each other and there was no doubt they had these strong feelings for each other...they were a sensual couple, and it shows in their work. Unfortunately, Miller was married to a woman named June... i wish i knew the complete story but i don't. Both ended up marrying someone else. i just know that Miller and Nin remained good friends until they day Miller died in the 1970's. But even as friends, there was always that attraction to one another. (Nin passed away, i believe, in the 1980's.) i think that because of their deep attraction towards each another, and because i felt they had a sensual relationship, that it was sort of tragic (to me, it was) that they would have been an amazing couple but never could be. i think that line fits perfectly in the song: " You can be Henry Miller and i'll be Anais Nin...this time will be even better, we'll stay together in the end..." Another reason why i like this line is because of the fact i had absolutely no clue who Miller and Nin were! i admire Jewel for this... for "broadening my mind". It seems there is so much she knows and she wants to share it with us...it's up to us, however, if we want to learn more from Jewel, don't you think? Thanks for taking the time to hear me out. And Steve Garner, if you are reading this, hope this message answers your question. =) Maybe you can tell me more about the Winter Song...i've never heard it before! It does sound beautiful, though... =) Thanks and have a "heavenly" day! All comments are welcome. E-mail me privately if you wish. karyn idiosyncratic angel /\o/\ "/ \" - "You can be Henry Miller, and i'll be Anais Nin. This time will be even better... we'll stay together in the end." -- Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:28:14 PDT From: "Nico Pham" Subject: NJC: EDA GATHERING in STUTTGART/GERMANY??? Heyhey...European EDAs! Thanks to all those again who responded to my suggestion of a gathering of European EDAs. Why shouldn't we gather at a concert??? I guess nearly everyone of you knows HEATHER NOVA. Her music is so great! She'll be performing at the Longhorn in Stuttgart, Germany, distr. of Esslingen on november 9th (monday). Tix are still available. Would be a great possibility to gather, before and after the concert! Mail me when you have questions and suggestions! I'm looking fwd to hear from some of you!! Greetings, Nico / Ger ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:16:09 -0500 From: cmgordon2@juno.com (Courtney M Gordon) Subject: Amen interpretation I think the line "Such an injustice, as children we are told from God we fell" from "Amen" to me has meant that we should be able to make up our own minds about religion, and have our own reasons for those beliefs, unlike some people who are just taught a certain way about religion, and have no real beliefs of their own. I also think the forest fire she is talking about in the beginning are false thoughts that are put into people's (especially young people's) minds. It sounds (to me, anyway) that she is saying that a lot of people think/believe that we, as young people, sometimes aren't allowed to have our own say about different topics. Just a reminder, this is only how I have interpreted the song, so please nobody jump down my throat if you see it differently. Courtney Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:31:44 EDT From: Sean35RL@aol.com Subject: addendum to Amen, Cobain, and stuff(my bad) After writing my post last night being very tired but somehow inspired to comment on the meaning of one of Jewel's best songs I realized I made a few minor errors. First, yes Jewel may have said that at some time the song was kind of indirectly inspired by Kurt Cobain, that doesn't mean that he is what the song is ABOUT. What it's about is what I wrote in my analysis. Also I kinda gave the impression that the song Amen was inspired by the guy trying to kick heroin which it obviously wasnt because the song was already out when he heard it. What I meant to convey was that the song was important to Jewel in that that guy's response showed her that her music could reach people and affect and change lives for the better and give help to those in need. Just needed to clarify those things before too many more people jump down my throat. Be well, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:43:18 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus....... Chas Watkins wrote: > I do recall the story aobut the junkie calling Jewel's hotline and >saying that the song inpired _him_. I think Jewel mentioned this at >JewelStock and that he requested the song, her longest distance request >(from Puerto Rico? Panama?) Chas, a slight mixup of two JewelStock stories....... To clear the good name of Rafa (the EDA from Puerto Rico who Jewel mistakenly said was from Costa Rica), Rafa had requested "Everything Breaks Sometimes" in an email to Jewel.....she sang it the second night of JewelStock. (Rafa ain't no junkie) On the first night of JewelStock, before singing "Amen" Jewel just mentioned the addict who had called her hotline about how the song affected, and helped him. Mike - - * If you are new to the Jewel list and need a helping hand, * or have a burning question about Jewel and/or the list, * The Jewel/EveryDay Angels List Homepage & Guide is at: * http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup * Many basic Jewel and list questions can be answered there :-) * * If you can't find the answer on the page have any list related * questions, please feel free to email me at ducksoup@spectra.net * or you can IM me on either of the AOL names below: * DuckOfPrey or WhyADuck55 on AOL or AOL Instant Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:26:56 EDT From: QTPYSK8R2@aol.com Subject: NJC: poetry contest hi angels~ i am posting again to let all those slow people or people who didnt read my first letter to know bout this contest.I am holding a poetry conest for all angels.The prize 2 angelfood tapes from my collection.If u are interested e- mail me by this saturday.Thats all love always~jamie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 17:21:37 EDT From: Falalablah@aol.com Subject: Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real um, i think music is an art, and that anyone's anylazation is correct for that particular person. i dont think it's right for you to tell someone that their interpetation is wrong....the song "amen" can be about many different things...and please do not tell someone they're incorrect and show this "i'm holier than thou" attitude...because art can be percieved differently by each indivdual. i do not believe there is one and only one correct meaning... had to say it, julia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:00:48 PDT From: "chris braniff" Subject: Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide,-- are you sure? > It was inspired by a recovering heroin addict who called >Jewel's hotline and said that listening to the song repeatedly was helping him >kick his habit because he would keep telling himself that his flesh isn't >hell. > Sean Hooks > > well sean i think you need to reread this excert. this must have been some heroin addict who was able to hear the song and then tell jewel about it and inspire her to write it. wow that is amazing. i do agree that the song is not about sucide but about heroin addiction and various other poisons that steal the innocence from children. and i have also heard that jewel did write it in part for kurt. wasn't he a heroin addict? there ar many examples that show that the song is indeed about addiction. "cralls up your arm [heroin is often injected into the arm] runs away with your mind and burns dry thoughts like leaves." i think that quote is accurate i haven't heard the song lately though. basiccly what i am saying is that the heroin addict jewel mentions in the jewelstock tapes is not the person that inspired her to write the song but inspires her to keep inspiring her fans. hope you are inspired chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:29:14 -0700 From: Lora Browne Subject: Re: Morning Song's Henry Miller and Anais Nin One thing to everyone.....see Henry & June......it's on video....ummm, it's a check with reality, heh, you guys don't know the half of Nin and Miller :)....and you will be like wow maybe Jewel has a little nasty side heh, I saw it because I've read her books, and I liked her, then all this stuff with Jewel came about, heh wow, you guys will be very surprised. Lora ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 14:25:48 -0700 From: Lora Browne Subject: Response To Cobain, Jewel, Stupid Stuff Ok, first off the reason why whoever thought it was about Kurt is because....well, I recall hearing her say it, she does seem to change her story too often on every single song....Angel Standing By for instance....hmmm, let's see wasn't that for a kid who's dad died? no no no a lullabuy to herself.....Well, and this thing about >"Such an injustice, as children we are >told That from god we fell" is the injustice of how children are socialized >and brainwashed with false ideas. Hmmm sound like anyone YOU know....yourself? Half of you think that because think Jewel is this surreal being or something...you act like this thing is some type of cult or something...most of you are acting like brainwashed dorks, who can't get it through your head that, 'Hey maybe Jewel did smoke a bong load, or maybe drank a 40, or a bottle of Jim Beam" Well, how pleasant is that to think about....get it through your head, no one's perfect, and Jewel is not some tweaked out surreal person who was sent to sing to you. Now, to who wrote this...hmm I'm sorry to put the smack down on your post, although this is a lovely interpretation and junk...I'm sure Jewel has said like 30 other reasons, like 'I wrote this when I was on acid" I'm just kidding...but, I have to say half the people get brainwashed on the list by other people who have been here longer, I think everyone has their right to speak on this, but just because you don't like what I am saying here, doesn't mean you don't know it's right in your heart. Think about it.... Ciao, Love Ya Long time, Lora P.S. Rugfans...I sent this to you guys just...well just cause, have a wonderful day ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:04:23 EDT From: PunkaPixie@aol.com Subject: Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus....... Amen is not solely about Kurt Cobain.. but in a way it is. I'm not going to go into song analyzation or whatever I'm just going to go by a statement by Jewel in an article/explanation of her songs that was put out by Atlantic Records in her own words. When she got down to Amen she had written "I wrote this song indirectly for Kurt Cobain". So I state my point.. If anyone wants to see this, it has an official letterhead methinks.. but I can't find it at the moment tho I do know it says that because i just read it yesterday. Thanks - -Linda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:50:29 -0300 (ADT) From: Jesse A McDonald Subject: RE: Question/song interpretation?? II > >Another line, "Such injustice, as children we are told; > >That from God we fell", is that a jibe about us being fallen, as in > >sinners before we are born?? > > No, I don't believe it is... since I've heard Jewel say several times that > she thinks we're all good by nature, it's what we're brought up with and > around that makes people bad. I'm not going to wager a guess at what it > really means, but I just thought I'd offer up something that I've heard > Jewel say that's directly related to your interpretation. It seems to me as though you're both saying the same thing - it's ABOUT the concept of original sin, which Jewel doesn't subscribe to. | Jesse Dangerously http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ad309 | subterranean seraph 16 Trust Everyone | ad309@chebucto.ns.ca Ekam Sat, Viprah Bahudha Vadanti | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:13:12 EDT From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Amen is not about Kurt Cobain or suicide, plus the real In a message dated 9/1/98 4:52:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Sean35RL@aol.com writes: << t was inspired by a recovering heroin addict who called Jewel's hotline and said that listening to the song repeatedly was helping him kick his habit because he would keep telling himself that his flesh isn't hell. >> How could the song be inspired by somebody who was inspired by the song? Jewel has mentioned many times before that she was influenced by Kurt Cobain's death to write the song and it's also in the Pieces of You press kit, in her interpretations of all the songs. - -- Mark ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #469 ***************************