From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #404 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Friday, July 24 1998 Volume 03 : Number 404 * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to jewel-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Criticism of Jewel, inspired by Bridget's post [PunkaPixie@aol.com] YWMFM guitar... [BruinEDA@aol.com] Re: just a few more lines Jewel.... ummmm..... re-used... [PucaFddlr@aol] The Jewel/ Drug thing [dijewe1@juno.com (Diana Ruiz)] 20Q ["David Trinh" ] Re: Jewel and drugs and the drink [s0meone@juno.com (Danielle C Wilson)] ?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? [Livia Giovetti ] About Oprah (A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION!!!) Did anyone else notice... [Jewe] NJC: I'm new..>EDAs from Connecticut? [glitter35@juno.com (Kimberly D Che] NJC: Michigan EDAs ["The Fly 777" ] Just an observation about appearance... ["Kevin Pease" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:07:36 EDT From: PunkaPixie@aol.com Subject: Re: Criticism of Jewel, inspired by Bridget's post In a message dated 98-07-23 18:04:24 EDT, Sean35RL@aol.com writes: << Jewel is a lucky person? This implies that she is not much more talented then every other girl with a guitar who plays at a coffeeshop and that she just won some sorta fame lottery because of her looks(well, now thinking about it that may be partially true).>> Maybe you shouldn't _imply_ what other people say. No offense but what I got out of Bridget's post when she said Jewel was lucky was that she's lucky to have really great fans and a great life where she can enjoy herself. Most people don't have that. I don't think Bridget was calling Jewel lucky because of her fame. I really don't! But besides that fact, I know quite a few girls with guitars who might have more talent than Jewel. Jewel isn't the best guitar player/singer out there ya know (oh boy i'm gonna get rocks thrown at me for that one) << I have against happy people, it's just that I see very little in this world to be happy about. One must always fight and struggle for change and progress. To be happy is to be stagnant and content. >> that's a personal thing! You can't enforce your own personal opinions on other people about how it is in the world. You see very little to be happy about but maybe Jewel see's a lot. Jewel is a very spiritual girl and I'm sure she has her own world of happiness. She knows she must always fight and whatnot, but you can be changing and progressing and still be damn happy! <> I don't understand this part of the letter... I feel Jewel is in all the position in the world to express herself in any way she wants to. Overpopularity? That's a really stupid reason not to! Is that a warning for failure? Because I don't think Jewel sees it that way, I think she's doing it because she wants to branch out and use her talents for other things. I highly, highly doubt she cares of the outcome.. she just wants to do it. and that sentence i think should be "Why shouldn't she be grateful" otherwise it looks like you're saying she shouldn't be grateful.. << Sean Hooks>> thanks for your time everyone take care - -linda the lovable "angel" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:20:39 EDT From: BruinEDA@aol.com Subject: YWMFM guitar... I was just watching the ywmfm video today and until today i've never payed any attention to the guitar she plays in the video. For some reason I always thought it was Big Blue but in another scene she plays a beautiful acoustic with a yellow to purple sunburst color. Plus it's like a weird Jagstang shape even though it's an acoustic. Can anyone tell me what kinda of guitar it is? Also, the several times that I've seen her in concert, I don't recall her ever using that beauty on stage, does she ever use it during concerts? Is it even hers? Thanks a bunch! Jim a dark angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 04:57:26 EDT From: PucaFddlr@aol.com Subject: Re: just a few more lines Jewel.... ummmm..... re-used... I just wanted to say that you all have to recognize that the "music making process" (groan) is an ever-evolving one. As a musician, i know that artists are constantly finding fault with something they've composed, sometims scrapping it, sometimes taking bits and pieces. All the time I play something in public a few times, then start hating it. Once or twice I just completely scrapped it, but most of the time I take out the bits I like and then build more from there. Point is, I think that's what Jewel, like most artists, does. She takes lines she likes and evolves them into new songs. It's not like she's playing Sassy and Silver Angel Wings, or whatever it is, in the same show, they're versions of each other, and could very well both be valid, just appealing to her different moods, etc. Does that make any sense? alana. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:20:34 -0800 From: dijewe1@juno.com (Diana Ruiz) Subject: The Jewel/ Drug thing Okay, Do you guys actually believe that Jewel would do that stuff. (I myself think it's disgusting!!!) She admitted that she's smoked a cigar, don't you think that she would say she drinks, at least? In almost all her concerts she's always saying that she doesn't smoke pot, in that story about the boat or whatever, remember? Of course I don't know, I'm not with her 24/ 7, and neither are the rest of you!!! Well, again, I'm just throwing in my 2 cents. {\O/} /_\ Diana an EDA FOREVER!! "Might as well smile, 'cause there's no point in being mean, guess that's just, What you get, When you forget to dream" *Nikos* ~Jewel~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:34:44 PDT From: "David Trinh" Subject: 20Q Where are these being posted, I seem to have not got any for the past few days. Or haven't there been any? I usually look at the News posts but I heven't got any of those lately. So whats up? My 2 cents on Jewel on Oprah (all of you who know me know it quickly rolls on): I haven't seen it so I can't really say much except a little question: If you're all so angry about it, would any of you fans consider NOT being a fan simply 'cos she doesn't look to your desires? After all, you are all fans of her MUSIC aren't you. Do her looks cloud her music? Does it REALLY matter, it IS JEWEL who singing? Would it matter if it was a pink double headed octopus singing it? Would the songs be any less meaningful? I should think No would be the answer to most of the above but you are all your own people and it is your thoughts. but I think does it REALLY matter all THAT much? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 03:06:42 -0700 From: s0meone@juno.com (Danielle C Wilson) Subject: Re: Jewel and drugs and the drink I don't have any idea whether Jewel does or doesn't, but I have to say that just because you hang out with people and in places where drugs and drinks are taken does NOT mean you do it yourself. I, for one, have known and hung out with and been good friends with many a pothead, but I have never touched the stuff myself. We all seem to be forgetting here that we have NO idea what or Jewel does or why she does or doesn't do things. It seems to be a waste of time and energy to speculate about Jewel's every action. Danielle the glitter kitty angel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 05:07:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Livia Giovetti Subject: ?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? What the heck happened to the alt.fan.jewel newsgroup?! I tried posting a couple of times, and one person responded a question but it was about Puff Daddy! There's probably more Jewel content in alt.opera! It's turned into some kind of cosmic playground! ~LiViA~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:39:25 EDT From: JewelWN2BE@aol.com Subject: About Oprah (A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION!!!) Did anyone else notice... Dear Angels, Did anyone else notice that Oprah said just before break... "Jewel doesn't do drugs, or drink, but what is her biggest vice? Find out when we come back..." Okay, well, that REALLY caught my attention.. And I decided to test my knowledge to see if I could figure out what it was, (Jewel's biggest vice, that is) And when Oprah came back... it never said another thing about it! Hmm!! Why was it cut out?? How annoying!! Or maybe I just totally completely missed that part?? (Highly unlikely since I videotaped it, and re-watched it specifically looking for her biggest vice.) :oP Anyone have any ideas? Did anyone else even *notice* it? WRITE BACK SOON! ~*,Michelle,*~ the angel who loves to jam** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:51:47 -0400 From: glitter35@juno.com (Kimberly D Chevett) Subject: NJC: I'm new..>EDAs from Connecticut? Hi everyone! I'm kind of new and I was wondering if there are any EDAs from Connecticut-like around the New Haven area. I'm from Milford and I would like to get to know some people who live around me if there are any. So if any of you are from around there, please email me. Kimberly glitter35@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 07:26:46 PDT From: "The Fly 777" Subject: NJC: Michigan EDAs Hello again!I am wondering if there are any EDAs out there who live in Michigan who would like to drop a line and maybe just keep in touch.I know I've talked to some before,but I have misplaced all of your letters. Look forward to hearing from you! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:05:32 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Just an observation about appearance... Hi everyone... I've been following the "Jewel makeup controversy" with a whole lot of amusement, and I felt the need to add a little to this discussion. Sean's original post reads: > "[...] Two disturbing trends that I have noted in the past though >are Jewel's new obsession with heavy make-up. This is not a personal >preference or a superficial comment, however. I think that, whether or not >the show "made" her wear that much or not(which I am sure they didn't and >she could have deferred if she wanted to) it is symbolic of her >commercialization. She is becoming further and further away from the artist >whose music I fell in love with back when Jewel was an earthy girl who wore >no make-up, didn't dye her hair, and was much less a pawn to America >manipulation and conceptualizations of what beauty should be. It is, is >essence, an anti-feminist statement to change one's physical appearance in >order to fit into the mold of what society deems attractive, even if Jewel >was doing it for totally selfish motives of achieving more popularity and >fame in order to reach more people with her message(which would of course be >admirable).[...]" In essence, Sean (and others, to be fair) are criticizing Jewel for paying too much attention to her appearance. Now, we come to the amusing part - One of Sean's two major complaints about the Oprah interview was... Jewel's appearance. If we're going to not care what Jewel looks like, why do we care SO MUCH if she decides to put on a little makeup? Or do we only care about people becoming obsessed with their looks when they put on makeup in an attempt to look a little different? Personally, I don't think Jewel's wearing a little Revlon foundation is going to affect her music. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think there's much data reflecting a fundamental change in belief systems & personality as a direct result of applying some "Iced Plum Frost" lipstick. Any females out there care to enlighten us? :) Now, more seriously - Sean also states that Jewel probably could have "deferred" the makeup, if she had chosen to. Maybe she could have, but that wouldn't have been a good publicity move for Jewel, either. If you've ever been on stage for anything, you know that they put makeup on actors, etc. Otherwise, there is absolutely no definition to the face once you get about 30 feet away. I had to wear makeup in every bit of acting I did... foundation, lipstick, even eyeshadow in one of the plays. (Fake nails and mascara for another, but let's not go there. :) I didn't like it, but I had no choice if I wasn't going to look like my face had melted. In addition, have you ever seen somebody up close under bright stage lighting, without makeup on? Unless you have PERFECT skin, and PERFECT features, those imperfections show up like there's a spotlight on them. Which there is. Would you *really* rather see Jewel with her face red from the heat of the lights, and sweat dripping down her face, and any little tiny imperfection magnified about 30 times over? A little makeup takes care of those problems for the most part, and I doubt Jewel wants to go on tv and appear that way to millions of viewers. And, as a side comment, Sean, you said in a second post, "One must always fight and struggle for change and progress. To be happy is to be stagnant and content." So why is it that you seem to be such an advocate of change, yet you seem so critical of any change (or at least those you don't personally approve of) in other people? Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease "Well if I were an angel, I could fly over Jordan, and I wouldn't need no Greyhound to save my soul, but maybe that's a good thing, 'cause I'll be home before I know it, And if I was an angel, I'd have a long way to go..." --(Matraca Berg)-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 11:11:32 EDT From: "rebecca o'meara" Subject: NJC: Bearsville98 :) Hello to all! Wow! I just had the *best* weekend! For all of you who have never been to an EDA gathering & are wondering what the big deal is & if it's worth the effort, they are awesome! Let's just say I drove all the way up to New York from North Carolina (as Dave said, almost exactly 1,000 miles one way), & it was well worth it. It was great! Thursday night I left here (NC), & started driving. I got to Pat (aka Tom Harris)'s house in Virginia at about 3am. He was the first EDA I'd ever met face-to-face, after being on the list approaching 2 years, so I was psyched. The adrenalin from turning around in his driveway from H-E-double hockey sticks kept me awake long enough to reach Tom & Vicki Miles' house in Denver, PA sometime that morning. The trip to get to Denver was interesting also, involving the classic driving skill of the weekend, passing our exit & having to reverse on the highway (laughing hysterically, of course) in the breakdown lane back to the exit ramp. :D Tom & Vicki Miles are wonderful people!! After taking a little nap & having some food, they left in the party van & left Pat & I in their home!! Yes, you heard right! These amazing people had never met Pat or I, & left us in their home! Pat & I pondered this in amazement over lunch. Anyway, after some more much needed sleep, we headed over to pick up Kim Z., who isn't on this list but got tricked into going to Bearsville last year by Tom Proven (teeheehee). Kim is a total sweetheart, and that's another reason to go to gatherings, you get to meet people who aren't even on the mailing list but who are EDAs in their own right nontheless. :) Our goal was to reach Steve's campground before the party van, &, yep, we beat 'em! :D It's hard to describe what it was like to finally get to meet a whole group of people after so long, but it felt great. It may sound corny, but it's true. The people I met this weekend were wonderful! I wish we could have stayed longer. The weekend went by really quickly; Saturday was lazer tag, which reminded us, as Dennis put it, we should remember to be 5-year-olds sometimes. I was completely worn out afterwards, but not too tired to drive into town with my "Unca Mike" & call in sick to work from a bar. ;) I don't know how convincing I sounded on my boss's answering machine with music, bar chat, & darts being thrown in the background, but if he asks I'll just say my roommates had the tv on so darned loud. ;) Saturday night we had a campfire, which are cool anyway, and even cooler when sitting around one with a bunch of EDAs & eating lovely HarrisFamilySecretRecipe S'Mores & listening to hysterical Mad Libs about ourselves. Then followed the walks out to the road to gaze at the stars, which were so much brighter & plentiful than at home. It was amazing!! And of course the best view was to be had from lying in the middle of the road & scurrying into the woods whenever cars came wooshing through. :) Sunday brought packing (and emptying out my tent of the several Goldfish that had escaped from their box). It was sort of sad, as it seemed to have gone all too quickly. BUt then onto the part of the weekend which didn't go quickly at all; lunch at the DinerDinerDiner! This is not one of those touristy little places, oh no! :) It's a true old diner! Not for the yuppy in anyone, but for the bold adventurer who's willing to take their soggy onion rings & dressingless Ruebens with a wink & a smile! But charming in it's own strange right (perhaps because us EDAs only eat there once a year). :) Then on to Woodstock, where I bought a cool antique purple bottle & was given a crystal because I had good energy (I was so flattered), & where we got to watch some cool guy with a tie-dyed jumpsuit & a peace sign painted into his beard do a performance of some sort (we weren't quite sure what) in the town green. Lots of cool shops, but so expensive! :) Then the farewell munchies at Taco Juan's, everyone postponing the inevitable until finally we were on our way. One last stop in Bearsville at the Bearsville Theater where Jewelstock was, where Tom Proven (another person I got to chauffer) :) gave me a guided tour of the grounds & we peeked in the windows. After that, the trip was pretty much the same as the ride up but in reverse. Once again Tom & Vicki let us crash at their house for the night, & we were served Egg McVicki's for breakfast, yum yum. Then came the worst part of the whole trip, dropping off the last EDA, Pat. I was so sad to leave his scary driveway & end the lovely weekend, but it was good to be home & my doggies were ecstatic to see me. So anyway, I know tis was long but please forgive me, I couldn't help gushing over my first EDA experience, which take way too long to happen but was well worth the wait. And btw, whoever drew my blank tape at the tape swap, email me privately & I'll actually send you a tape with music on it! :) And if there are any people down here in the southern states or Carolinas who would like to meet or to tag along on other trips up north to meet our northeastern EDAs, please feel free to write. I think I'm getting vanity tags on my car that read "EDA TAXI". Seriously! :) I'm glad everyone had a safe trip back home, & can't wait to see y'all next time! luv, Becca blessed be :) ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #404 ***************************