From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V3 #158 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, March 8 1998 Volume 03 : Number 158 * If you wish to unsubscribe, send an email to jewel-digest-request@smoe.org * with ONLY the word unsubscribe in the body of the email * . * For the latest information on Jewel tour dates, go to: * http://jewel.zoonation.com and click on "TOUR" * OR * go to the OFFICIAL Jewel home page at http://www.jeweljk.com * and go to the "What, When, Where" section * . * PLEASE :) when you reply to this digest to send a post TO the list, * change the subject to reflect what your post is about. A subject * of Re: jewel-digest V3 #xxx or the like gives readers no clue * as to what your message is about. Today's Subjects: ----------------- Angelfood [Mike Kolich ] The jewel "newsgroup".. ["Mike Gray" ] "True Fan/Early Ticket" thread compilation post (#3) [Mike Connell Subject: Angelfood Hi all, I was wandering if anyone can help me out with some Angelfood. I would really like some. If you have any information or would like to help me, please write me back and let me know so we can work something out. Thanks a bunch! Justin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 21:01:10 -0000 From: "Mike Gray" Subject: The jewel "newsgroup".. Hi Guys.. I don't know about anyone else, but I just checked out the Jewel newsgroup, and I've just got to say that I've never (in my life) seen a group full of as much rubbish! What sort of ego trip is this NeptuneSalad guy on? Is the group always like this?? I mean I know I've got the list, but I fancied a quick distraction, and well.... let's just say I'm glad I've got the EDA's who at least have some grip on reality. On the subject of special tickets for EDAs or other "true" fans Celine Dion has been able to arrange priority booking for memebers of her fan-club for the last few tours, which has always been very successful, guaranteeing front 5 row seats.. Cheers Mike Mike Gray - now - mike.gray@zetnet.co.uk Webpages (with more music than *ever*) http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/mikegray/ Go there and see my Sleeper, Dubstar, Meredith Brooks and Jewel photos.. ICQ : 6200976 "I'm a modern guy, can't help but be sarcastic. It's a brand new day - well isn't *that* fantastic?" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:54:18 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: "True Fan/Early Ticket" thread compilation post (#3) Here's part 3 of the compilation posts - Mike ******************************** From: msj4@cornell.edu Subject: early tix i think it's a good practice of allowing eda'ers to get early tix. i mean pearl jam does that through their fan club and it might get disorganized at times, but it worked out last time and i got to watch them at randall's island, in the mosh pit. so i think that a certain amount should be reserved and you are limited to two per show, and you must respond before a certain date. i think it wouldn't be too hard to get a printout of the list, and then post by a certain date you are no longer eligible so you won't have people join just for getting tix early. anyways, i am sure it could be organized in a fathomable way. and it would give back to us for being jewel fans. not that we want anything, but it would be cool to do that, wouldn't it? ~may~ ******************************** From: Michael Regev Subject: From an intl. vet. EDA - the "true fan"/ Early tickett thread & JewelStock Tapes policies Hello everyone, For those of you who don't know me, my name is Michael Reggev, though I'm known on the list as Tuff - TIE. I live in Israel, I've been an EDA since Sep 11, 1996, having first heard of Jewel on March that year. Having seen the WWSYS video clip, I searched for PoY for six months, and having heard it and discovered that her other songs also held the same strength that WWSYS did, I joined the list. Back then, it was composed of a few hundreds (few=3 or 4) EDAs, the "head honcho" was Jeff Wasilko, who reigned supreme due to the fact that, well, he owns the list, traffic was low and filled with good vibes, and the main discussion subjects included the JewelStock cassette tree, how to become/avoid becoming a Harris, what did everyone think of this show or of that song, and how was this-and-that's wife was feeling now that she had a surgery. Things have definitly changed. Mind you, I'm not saying the change is for the worse. The list has grown, and while there's far less good vibes, there are some really good people out there now. One of these people has been appointed by the list owner Jeff Wasilko as list manager - Mike Connell. Mike won't tell you guys about the stuff he's done on this list, because that would make him look vain. I, however, have no problem in praising him. During September '96, Mike was the root of the JSC tree. It took alot of effort to get Jewel's managment to agree to this tree, but finally an agreement was reached (Mike has told you about it). If you think running a cassette tree is an easy task, you're wrong. It's long hours during the night, copying cassette after cassette, making sure nothing goes wrong (and things DO go wrong), all this for no profit, and at times, for a financial loss (like, for example, if someone forgets to send the money for the cassettes and the shipping, or stuff like that). Since then, Mike has been there for anyone who needed him, on any subject, at practically any time. In short, he was not chosen for his position at random. But back to what I'm really trying to get to. I'll confess, lately I haven't been reading all of the digests. Traffic has been getting a bit too high for me. However, from what I have read, I've noticed that many people feel they have some god-given right to angelfood. For those of you who feel that way, I have two words: wake up! We don't get angelfood because we attend Jewel concerts (some of us CAN'T attend Jewel concerts). We don't get it because Jewel or Lenedra or someone on Jewel's managment has a crush on Alan, or on Mike, or on one of the Harris Bros (and I'm not saying this is in occurnce). We get it because we ARE everyday angels. And to be EDAs we have to maintain a certain unwritten (or, to be honest, a partially written) code. It doesn't include helping little old ladies across the street (though it hurts no one to help them), but it does include being polite, and not flaming other people, and putting on as few masks as possible, and not cussing too much, and not making other people feel an inch tall just because it makes you feel like a giant. It's not about living by the philosophy Jewel gives in her songs, but it is about figuring out what that philosophy is, and having thought about it carefully, deciding whether to embrace it fully, or partially, or not at all. When the list was starting to grow, some people tryed to make order in concepts such as "list vet" and "newbie" and "EDA" and stuff like that. These were serious people discussing serious issues in the days when you could do that w/o being flamed too much. The bottom line was, it couldn't be done. That's not because not enough effort was put into it, or anything like that, but because "vet", "newbie" and "EDA" are states of mind, more then actual positions. No, people shouldn't get better terms on anything, just because they have e-mail, or they live somewhere, or they look good, or they are a certain gender, or faith, or anything along those lines, but no matter what you do, it always comes down to this - you shouldn't avoid giving people something just because you can't give it to everyone. The only system which did that has collapsed with a lot of noise (anyone here remembers communism?). If someone has more money, they will get a better education, if they have better connections in an organization, it will be easier for them to work with that organization, and if the boss is attracted to blondes, chances are his secretary will be blonde. It's not a case of discrimination, it's a case of human nature. We tend to be on the side of those we like. As EDAs, we should be grateful to other EDAs, who have gotten Jewel to feel they way she feels aboput the entire EDA community. And if Jewel chose to give us gifts, provided we maintain certain conditions, the least we should do, is maintain those conditions. As to the EDA who asked why should fans with e-mail have an advantage over fans w/o e-mail. I have been a Jewel fan for well over a year, in a place where it's not easy being a Jewel fan. It's very nice to know that Jewel is on every radio show in the US. I have news for you. She is on no radio shows in Israel. When a new song comes out, I don't get to hear it unless I go FAR out of my way to hear it. If I want a single, I have to start looking for people visiting abroad to get it for me. When I first joined the list, and indeed, for the entire first year, I could walk into a CD store, ask if they have anything by Jewel, get sent to the heavy metal section, and being asked there "Are they Russian, maybe?" The point I'm trying to make is, why should fans inside the US have an advantage over fans outside it? And if I have an advantage on those guys in getting Jewel's music, why should anyone undermine this advantage? I've worked for it. Have you? It is neccesary for me. Is it for you? If you don't want an "unfair" advantage on the avarage guy, who buys a Jewel CD not for the music or to support the artist, but because he's hoping to see pics of her on the attached booklet, then you don't have to get angelfood through the list, but if I do this, it doesn't mean I am doing anything wrong, and frankly, it ticks me off to read stuff like this. This post has grown bigger in size then I planned, and I hope Mike decides to let it through despite it taking up bandwidth, but even if he doesn't, I know that I have at least put my soul at rest about this. 42, Tuff - TIE ******************************** From: "Dr. RomeAntic" Subject: Everything makes sense and then again not... OK here's another dime. It's amazing how many people participated in that early tickets/true fan thing. So I decided to wait and see what everybody had to say. Although it's ridiculous to even discuss the "true fan" issue I just want to say that I feel there's no "true" fan... you either ARE for one or more of noumber of reasons that are possible or you are NOT. But it's only how you feel about it not how some stupid "standard" says - like UUh.. I'm so much better cause I'm on this list... someone said we are better than some average person, which would mean that before I joined this list I was a crappy average geek, and hey now I'm a Jewel fan and I'm cool!!! NOT! sheesh... Anyway I more bothered with whole "early tickets" thing. Why is everybody so against it. If that would happen... I personally would have no benefit because I live where Jewel never played and probably never will (my dream is to move away from here), but this is not about me, it's about a view on this whole thing. So what if I or somebody else would for once be privileged to something. Is it F***** fair that I was born so far away from where life I'm interested in (concerts are part of that) takes place... how is it fair that some of us are deprived of that, how is it fair that I don't get to even see Jewel perform much less meet her in person... as some of those who did get some of that, I'm also very much influenced by her, she also changed my whole view on some things - most of all on my life goals and on music itself, and her music reached deep in my soul and just trashed the place and cleaned it up again - everything looks much nicer and certainly clearer. But that doesn't change life in general itself. Life is not fair... each and every one of us is deprived of something and we just have to learn to live with it. Some get to move in high circles meet all their idols, some win the lottery, some find their soul mate living next door, some have a dad working at ticketmaster and gets them tickets... wouldn't you say that most of the people would want that, but don't (ever) have it... so why would it be so bad if we could get early tickets. Hell we can't have everything... I always tend to think about everybody else first before doing or saying anything, yet there is a limit to how far I'd push something to make it fair! BUT that does bring problems, when you think that much more people would join this just for the tickets' sake. Well, i don't think that would be a huge problem if the tickets were limited (maybe cause those non fans would have a hard time getting through all the mail)... I wouldn't know how many, that certainly depends... however Jewel has an enourmous amount of fans now, and I believe she could easly sell out a stadium, so 50 tickets per such a concert doesn't sound that big of a deal, although I seriously doubt there are so many people living that close on this list. And even if the noumber of people exceeded the amount (whatever that would be) maybe they could be given away through a competition that would be made for us EDA's and will somehow show who is EDA by heart and who just wants the tickets to sell em away before the show for 10 times the price (it may be a bad idea, but it's just a though). However where is it said that tickets have to be front seats?!?!? Bet even so... I know there are some who would be happy just to get some (LIKE ME :)). Well enough on that... I know everybody is sick of that... I'm as well, but since everybody seems to have said something I just had to... On the whole othe issue, did you see Friday's Jay Leno show... They cracked me up with that Paula Cole Shoe Shine thing :)) *LMAO* And I sure laughed my ass off when Kim Bassinger said she sat on the bad with her mouth open... :)) Oh well... have fun... Dr. RomeAntic, an angel with the worse stroke of luck ******************************** From: jonarena@juno.com Subject: Re: Early Tickets - -Linda wrote: - ---------------------- ANother argument.. There's a majority of people here who get very bad seats or none at all because people go to Jewel shows who aren't even true Jewel fans... - ---------------------- Bingo. I was waiting for someone to say that. I am sure there are plenty of concert junkies who go to her concerts just because she is popular. Who cares if we get tickets before the public? Who even cares if Jewel loses popularity because of it? EDA's love Jewel regardless of weather she is popular or not, and I wouldn't care if us 1000 worldwide EDAs were her only fans- in fact, I would even prefer if Jewel was a little less popular. That's the way it was when this list was just starting, and that is one of the reasons Jewel was able to do Jewelstock twice. This is incredibly selfish, but so what. I'm sure most of the people on this list feel the same way. - -Jon - The Angel with faith ******************************** From: jonarena@juno.com Subject: Re: Early Tickets Reply to Casey's note: Jewel fan okay. If someone is poor and can't afford a computer does that make them less of a Jewel fan? If someone is blind so can't read our little messages, so they can;t be an EDA, but she loves Jewel, does that make them less of fans,..................... - --------------------------- If they are too poor for a computer, why would they go to concerts? - --------------------- i always cringe whenever i see the words "true fans" used in any context. i honestly think it is empty verbiage. some people who might not be considered to be "true fans" [cringe] might be people who are not privileged to have internet access. - ------------------- and another thing, this is not that big of a deal for people to get tickets before everyone else. I am sure there are a few people who are good fans and are not on the list, but there aren't that many, and so what if they can't get tickets as fast as everyone else. I don't have internet. I found out about this list on someone else's computer and now use a free email service. The only downside that I can see to this idea [early tickets] is the fact that hundreds of people would sign up for the list just to get tickets- and I am sure that is already happening now to an extent, with people seeing how Jewel performed Jewelstock only for EDAs and they want to be able to go to "next one." Oh yeah, and my definition of a true fan [of a singer] is a fan that will love whoever, even when they are unpopular. And it makes me cringe to think that there are people who are not like this on the list. - -Jon The Angel with faith PS- these messages are very late, and I know I am dwelling on a past subject, but I just checked my email today [8th] ******************************** From: moonsong@ix.netcom.com (Charlie, Sami, Cobby) Subject: just one one last thing please? Sparks the everyday angel wrote: >>>I agree with this. I mean, I know a lot of really "true" Jewel fans who don't have access to a computer. They don't know about the Everyday Angels. That doesn't mean that we, the EDAs, are a "truer" Jewel fan than them and should get all these special priviledges that we make up ourselves. That's just really greedy.<<< That reminds me of something I meant to mention. I have a friend whose 19 year old brother is totally in love with Jewel. Her music, her looks, her spirit, he just adores her to death. Now, as far as I know, he isn't on this list, and it's unlikely that he ever will be. But does this make him a less "true fan" than the rest of us? Oh wait that was a statement, not a question. Just an extra thought. :) Ok enough of this. If half the EDAs on this list don't hate me already, I've done a good job. Sam moonsong@ix.netcom.com ******************************** to be continued????? ******************************** ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V3 #158 ***************************