From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #569 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, July 16 1997 Volume 02 : Number 569 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I feel like such a dork! [Leftychic@aol.com] guitar tabs, hammering on and pulling off [EDayAngel@aol.com] Jewel Sighting [zenben@geocities.com (Ben Murphy)] Computer equipment [BeefJerky the Computer Dude ] Re: this whole zach thing [tom morales ] NJC:Computer equipment [BeefJerky the Computer Dude ] Matt Pinfield speaks of Jewel [Piper1013@aol.com] Jewel's popularity ["Mark Anthony Miazga" ] Future Folklore Tape Tree: Delay in replies [Mike Connell ] Re: Rumor: Did Jewel's grandmother pass away? [Joelies@aol.com] Foolish Games Video... [Tlcathome@aol.com] Re: Body Frames [nihao@mail2.nai.net (Nina Edlund)] Re: Time... [William Chinda ] Re: I feel like such a dork! [DRotter154@aol.com] WOO-HOO, TIME magazine [sm_kartalopo@ACAD.FANDM.EDU (Stephanie Kartalopou] My opinion about Jewel's "overexposure [VLTONEY@aol.com] Re: I feel like such a dork! [red_ranger@juno.com (Nick the blurred Angel] NJC: Conflicts . . . [dmoreno@thrasher.calstatela.edu (Daniel Moreno)] Rumour? [Mike Thiel ] Re: Body Frames [dmoreno@thrasher.calstatela.edu (Daniel Moreno)] Re: NJC: The Joys of Life [dmoreno@thrasher.calstatela.edu (Daniel Moreno] Re: this whole zach thing [Victor Igor Wasylczenko Subject: Computer equipment I'm looking for a laptop/notebook computer, at least a 386, but preferably a 486 or faster. Also would like a color VGA screen and 100meg+ hard drive. Also I'm interested in a 12x or faster CD-ROM for my desktop or even a 6x or faster CD-ROM changer. If anyone is interested in selling these to me, please e-mail me privately! THANX! --BeefJerky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:27:35 +0000 From: tom morales Subject: Re: this whole zach thing > Okay, I've ranted. I dont wont to sign off from this list, but I really > dont have time to read over 100 messages a day, when a lot of them don't > apply to me. This doesn't apply to me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:57:04 -0500 From: BeefJerky the Computer Dude Subject: NJC:Computer equipment I'm looking for a laptop/notebook computer, at least a 386, but preferably a 486 or faster. Also would like a color VGA screen and 100meg+ hard drive. Also I'm interested in a 12x or faster CD-ROM for my desktop or even a 6x or faster CD-ROM changer. If anyone is interested in selling these to me, please e-mail me privately! THANX! --BeefJerky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:31:28 -0300 From: patrik@octonline.com Subject: Re: Foolish Games Video At 02:21 PM 7/15/97 -0500, you wrote: >Once again, mTV has incurred my wrath. In the little paragraph they >place at the bottom of videos at the beginning and end, they stated that >FG was "From and Inspired by the motion picture BATMAN AND ROBIN". > >Inspired by? INSPIRED BY!?! (Sorry to yell). I think we all know that >the last thing that was on Ms. Kilcher's mind when she wrote this song >was an overpublicized, overmarketed, multi-million dollar clichefest >such as Batman and Robin. I plan on e-mailing mTV to let them know of >their error, and I should hope that all of my fellow EDA's will do the >same. Perhaps if they recieve e-mail from 1300 different people, they >will change it. > >As ever > >The Anticipatory EDA > >JL Culp >Editor in Chief >Juvenilia: The Cliched Life >http://www.mid-tn.com/juvenilia > >"Luck, love and lollipops"--Big Ears and noodle Noggin > > "Inspired by" doesn't mean it was written especially for the movie On every soundtracks you'll find songs "inspired by" the movie. It should say "Songs that should go well with this movie" but that would be a little long. But I don't know why a song about a rela- tionship would do on the soundtrack though.(Clooney-McPhearson maybe) Just 'cause I had nothing else to do Pat "There is no right or wrong, only popular opinion." -Brad Pitt~12 Monkeys (It might not be the exact wording, sorry) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 03:12:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Piper1013@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Question on Vh-1 In a message dated 97-07-16 01:07:25 EDT, Coolmen123@aol.com writes: << How does Vh1 decide the Top 10 videos ....What's this based on? >> Can't say for sure, but I would "Guess" that it's from which videos get the most airplay on VH-1... give it a couple weeks and i'm SURE Foolish Games will make a smashing debut. - --Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 00:15:58 -0700 From: Brandee Villaluz Subject: njc: the wounded angel speaks Hi everyone, Again, I just wanted to thank everyone who have been keeping me in their thoughts, prayers, and all else, and to all those who have written to me in support. I promised that I would let you know what was going on with me, plus, I have another small favor to ask. Well, as for the update, I wish that I could say that all was well, but, unfortunately, they aren't. Actually, I hate to say it, but I'm a bit worse.(When is this going to stop!!!!!) I've seen 2 more specialists, both with the standard answer," We can't seem to be able to figure out what is wrong with you." I am now scheduled to undergo MORE tests, and see another specialists(it will be 10 now, I think). The reason that I am sharing this with you all, is that I know that there are a lot of wonderful, loving, and caring people within the list, and right now, I need all of the love and support that I can get. Things are getting rougher by the moment(I know, I'm feeling sorry for myself again), as my best friend has now stopped calling and coming to see me, actually, at the beginning, we talked about everyday, and she came to see me at least once every 2 weeks or so. Now, I haven't seen her since my birthday, which was 21 April, and talk to her maybe a couple times per month. So, that's one more friend gone, and a bit less support with it. I will try to stop "whining", or as I prefer to call it, informing, and will get on with the point of my post. For the next two days, Wed. 16, and Thurs, 17 July, I will be undergoing a really rough series of tests. The actual test is called a "Functional Capacity Evaluation" for those that know about physio, or anything like that, and will be for 6 hrs. each day, I am really quite worried about these, as I know that there will be a lot of pain involved, both during, and after these tests. I would really like to ask that anyone who can, please keep me in your thoughts,extra- positively, and prayers, and anything else that you think that could help me for the next two days. I am looking for the strength that is inside me to get through these,and any extra would be greatly appreciated. I know that this may seem to be a lot to ask, but I fully intend to help others, like me, that need a bit of love and support as much as I can too, and will love everyone of you for doing it for me. I appreciate everyone who reads this, and would love to be able to thank you each personally with a huge hug, and maybe when I am well(and not housebound anymore), or can get a chance to talk to you all, I will. I fully plan on attending some EDA gatherings someday, but maybe I organize one, and have you come here to me! :p So thanks, angels, for listening, and for being there, and for just allowing me to reach out and ask for help like this! I appreciate it more than words can say, and love you all for doing this for me! Take care all, Brandee (the wounded angel) Brandee_Villaluz@bc.sympatico.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:55:15 -0400 From: Dan Stark Subject: Re: NJC: My Dar Williams plug At 07:59 PM 7/15/97 -0700, Naveen Rao wrote: >Dar Williams new album, End >of the Summer, came out today. Overshadowed by the release of Sarah >McLachlan's new album (also very good), Dar is a Great *capital G* >folk musician from Massachusetts. Reviews on another list I'm on (ecto) are unanimously calling this her un-folk album. I'm under the impression that it is more rocky or mainstream than folk. I haven't really been grabbed by much I've heard from Dar to date, but I hope to check this one out soon. And by the way, I consider Sarah's much-hyped Surfacing CD OK, but not great. It's only 40 minutes long, including an instrumental filler. If you're in Canada, or if you're in the U.S. and have a Borders bookstore in your area, you may be able to score the limited-edition version with a second CD containing 2 bonus tracks and a bunch of multimedia stuff. >IMO, her [Dar's] guitar talent shown >on the first album surpasses that heard in any of Jewel's songs. Surprise. Jewel's guitar playing was still in an early stage when she recorded POY. She continues to grow in that area, having picked up Big Blue within the last two years, and having played electric guitar for the first time at Rock Fest. Her new, yet-to-be-released material (*sigh*), like that on the JS tapes, shows some striking growth in guitar playing as well as songwriting. Dan - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK danstark@mnsi.net Windsor, Ontario, Canada - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 05:18:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Piper1013@aol.com Subject: Matt Pinfield speaks of Jewel Earlier today I was watching Motel California on MTV with Matt PInfield and he mentioned something about how during the taping of Unplugged Jewel had an idea for a song in her head and asked to stop the taping long enough for her to write the lyrics and the idea down... Then they played Foolish Games. <2nd time I saw it> Just thought I'd share... - --Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 01:39:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark Anthony Miazga" Subject: Jewel's popularity There's been a lot of moaning on the list during the last couple days about Jewel's overexposure, and I just wanted to add my $0.02. I'll go back in time about 9 years to compare the start of her career with that of an artist that I find very similar to Jewel, because they're both supremely talented female singer/songwriters whose first albums did awfully well in sales. That artist is Tracy Chapman, whose eponymous debut in 1988 was a groundbreaker. Follow these comparisons: Sales: I don't have exact numbers, but Chapman's first album sold roughly 6-7 million copies. When all is said and done (depending on the success of "Foolish Games," which I am predicting as Jewel's least popular single), Jewel will probably be just about even with this. So the difference in sales is negligible. Content of first album: I'm not sure of anyone who could honestly say that Tracy Chapman's debut is not a better album than _Pieces of You_. _Pieces of You_ has its moments, but I think the vast majority of the list agrees that her non-cd material is better than PoY. _Tracy Chapman_ was not only a groundbreaking cd (a black female folk singer was, and still is, nearly unheard of), but also a classic in my book. Flawless brilliance marks each of the songs, and the lyrics speak of politics and hope in a way that recalled the sixties but were definitely from the decade of greed. "Fast Car" remains one of the best rock songs of all time, but the album is full of gems (the hopeful "Talkin' Bout a Revolution", the desolate "Behind the Wall" , the delicate race discussion of "Across the Lines", the lovely "Baby Can I Hold You", the bluesy "For My Lover", the reggae-ish feel of "She's got her ticket). While PoY has some classic moments (the starkness of "Foolish Games", the yearning of "You were meant for me", the sadness of "Adrian"), it is nowhere near as polished an album as _Tracy Chapman_. (Of course, this is understandable; the album was nearly unproduced and done when Jewel was only 18). Exposure: Chapman's a very shy person, and Jewel is not. While Chapman did appear at the Nelson Mandela freedom concert and with Bruce Springsteen and Sting at another big one (name escapes me), her appearances on talk shows and MTV was low compared with Jewel. Jewel sprinkles her concerts with anecdotes and such, Chapman was too shy to say anything between songs. Chapman got the cover of _Rolling Stone_, but never as much as Jewel. This is partly because of... Appearance: Jewel, despite her crooked teeth (which I have honestly never noticed), fits the classic depiction of beauty. Her description as an angel is not far off base. She is heavenly to look at. Chapman, however, does not fit the majority's conception of beauty. On her cd cover, she looks like a boy. She wore no makeup (an unfortunately marked contrast with Jewel, who occasionally likes to cake it on, hiding her natural beauty). Of course, I find the quirks of Tracy Chapman much more interesting to look at than that of Jewel -- the dreadlocks, the smile that can light up the world, the shyness. Perhaps this is part of Jewel's overexposure. Singles: Chapman had only one big hit single, the incredibly moving "Fast Car". "Baby Can I Hold You" and "Talkin' Bout a Revolution" both charted somewhere in the Hot 100, but not very high. "Fast Car" hit #6. However, her album reached #1 and stayed their for a while. "Pieces of You" has had three singles, 2 of them certified hits and the other a probably hit. WWSYS and YWMFM both were top ten hits, and FG should be at least in the top 20. However, PoY has never hit #1 for a week. Grammies: Chapman won four or so, including Best New Artist and Best Song by a female artist. Jewel didn't get any, although deserved to, and still may next year. Climate for women in music: Chapman came about in a time where few women singer/songwriter/musicians were charting. Suzanne Vega, Edie Brickell, and Sinead O'Connor both had received some chart time, but that was about it (excluding pop confections like Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, etc.). Jewel came right after Alanis Morissette became the biggest female seller of all time, and such sensitive female singer/songwriters as Sarah McClachlan and Tori Amos had paved the way. Road to success: Not too dissimilar. Both were born poor, were helped by scholarships, sang on the streets, etc. Jewel probably has the more "hollywood" story, though, living in a van and all. All this considered, I'd say the major differences between Jewel and Chapman lie in appearance, content of first album, and the climate for women in music. Chapman, being black, painfully shy, rumored lesbian, not "beautiful", and female in an era when not many folksingers were, had that much more to fight on her way to the top of the charts. Her brilliant debut had to speak almost entirely for itself. Jewel, being beautiful and well-spoken (not to mention white and debuting in an era more female-musician-friendly), had more than just her first album speaking for her; she had herself. Thus, Jewel gets much more exposure. In charting Chapman's future albums, her sophomore effort was a gorgeous album, just as good as her debut. It did go triple platinum; however, it yielded no hit singles. Jewel's next album should be much better than her debut, and I'll be surprised if it doesn't yield any hit singles. From what I've heard, it's very radio-friendly. And because Jewel is much easier to market than Chapman, I see her career in terms of sales staying fairly constant, unless she/her record company continue to get greedy and release albums four years apart. Chapman released her second album two short years after her debut, but her next album didn't come for 3.5 more, and it didn't even go gold. It took her latest album, _New Beginning_, to yield a comeback. It was very nice before Chapman got popular again, though. I got to see her in a very small venue and it was the most magical evening of my life. Chapman's talent will keep her in the music business for a long time, and if Jewel demonstrates to the world with her second album that she has considerable talent, than she will too. But it's unfair to her fans to continue to try for new ones but virtually ignore the old ones in terms of new releases. I would much rather see her second album released right now, "Foolish Games" not be a single, and have the cover of _Time_ and Lilith Fair to promote it. But it's too late now, and it's greed, not music, that made this happen. It'll be interesting to see if there will be any backlash for all of this. It was also interesting to compare the works of Chapman and Jewel. While they had fairly similar meteoric rises, Chapman's only big career mistake was waiting nearly four years between albums #2 and #3, and unfortunately it looks like Jewel's making the same mistake right now. Only time will tell, I suppose. - -- Mark A. Miazga Michigan State University miazgama@pilot.msu.edu East Lansing, MI USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 06:38:18 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Future Folklore Tape Tree: Delay in replies Hi everyone, I just wanted to tell those of you who replied with leaf and branch requests for the tape tree thus far, that the 'return reciept' replies I told you that you would get have been delayed for various reasons. Good response so far :) 48 branch applications and 129 leaf requests as of this moment. I hope to have out the replies by late Thursday night. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 07:01:13 -0400 (EDT) From: TMiles1270@aol.com Subject: njc: Look out NYC, here come the EDA's again (aka ThirzaStock) Wow, my second trip to NYC in one summer, and this time to see Thirza, Steve, Pete, Kelly, Abel, and Russ. Steph and I left Lancaster, PA at the bright and early time of 6:30 a.m. We arrived in Staten Island about 3 hours later (and $10 poorer thanks to turnpike and overpriced NY bridge tolls) to pick up Steve. After missing a turn, we finally found his street. So, we tossed Steve in the car and headed for Thirza's. Along the way, we HAD to stop at a Toys R Us and pick up some bubbles. :) So, we eventually made it to Thirza's, where we hung out for a while and waited for Pete and Abel to arrive. Pete eventually showed up, but Abel never made (ya sleepyhead!!). So, minus Abel, we all headed out to the subway to go to Penn Station to meet the Kelster. So, we finally arrived at Penn Station, after another wonderful trip on the NYC subway (it's definitely not as much fun without ZZand). :) And, thankfully, Kelly was still sitting there at the McD's waiting for us, even though we were two hours late. So, we grabbed a quick lunch and headed for Central Park to check out a band called Sleater-Kinney, an all-female punk band that was giving a free concert on the summer stage. And, wow, were they incredible!! The energy that those three have together up on stage is just amazing. Even though they were experiencing a few sound difficulties, they still put on one hell of a show. I definitely recommend checking out their cd "Dig Me Out". Thirza and I managed to squeeze up to just about the front of the stage, where we were able to get some really cool pics of the band. Ok, so after the show, we were walking back over to find everyone else, but who do we bump into, but Abel and Russ!! So, we finally regroup and decide to go hit some cd stores. We checked out Tower Records and HMV Records (Steve, that's HMV, not HIV). :) I managed to find the Launch cd with Jewel in it and the one and only copy of the Rugburns' "Taking the World by Donkey" - - finally!! We then went to Chelsea, so Steve could get some sandals. Along the way, we had to say goodbye to Russ since he had to get up early the next morning and to Pete (how was the fight dude?). Afterward, we were all about to drop over from the heat, walking, etc., so we made our way back to Thirza's, stopping along the way for some whipped cream. heehee ;-) Once we got back to Thirza's, we ordered some pizza, chatted online, and watched/listened to, of course, Jewel. We finally had to say our goodbyes to Thirza and be on our way to drop Kelly off at Long Island and then make our way to Abel's for some much-needed sleep (of which we didn't get much). On the way to Kelly's, we found out that we had driven way way way too Farr (Shepherd, that is) :-), so we stopped and, while looking at the map, a nice EMT person stopped and gave us directions. So, we dropped Kelly off, said more difficult goodbyes, and returned to Brooklyn, eventually arriving at Abel's sometime around 3 a.m. And of course, none of us could sleep, so we hopped on IRC, where we chatted with everyone there until 5:30 a.m. or so. Then we finally crashed, only to be awoken by the alarm at the bright early hour of 9 a.m. Again, another round of difficult goodbyes with Abel (thank you so much for allowing us to stay at your place - you're the greatest bud!) before departing for Staten Island to drop off Steve. We dropped Steve off sometime around 11 a.m., and then headed home for good ol' PA. Abel, Steve, Russ, Thirza, Kelly, Pete - it was great to see you guys again!! We'll hafta do it again real soon!! Tom :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:27:02 -0400 (EDT) From: ForvrLaust@aol.com Subject: Entertainment Weekly..... I looked through it.... To my knowledge... No Jewel : ( John... disappointed Angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JENBUG57@aol.com Subject: NJC: More smiles... "I've learned that if you smile at people, they will almost always smile back." "I've learned that we aer responsible for everything we do, no matter how we feel." "I've learned that untold treasures are found in the imagination of a child." "I've learned that when a person with money meets a man with experience, the person with experience ends up with the money and the man with money ends up with experience." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:02:32 EDT From: luvksym90_1@juno.com (purple peeper) Subject: Re: Entertainment Weekly..... Jewel this Hour On MTV On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:27:02 -0400 (EDT) ForvrLaust@aol.com writes: > I looked through it.... To my knowledge... No Jewel : ( > > > > John... disappointed Angel > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:08:35 -0500 From: "dbailey@ro.com" Subject: Body Frames #ALL HAIL VOLUPTOUS WOMEN !!! #VOLUPTOUS WOMEN OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!!!! # #- --Lisa Indeed. Voluptuous women RULE. Period. Heck, those hips, breasts, and curves are the main things that distinguish women from men. I mean, if she's thin and straight as a board, she's not too different from a man, especially if she has short hair. Our similarities are what keep us together, but out differences are what bring us together in the first place. Doug dbailey@ro.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:19:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Joelies@aol.com Subject: Re: Rumor: Did Jewel's grandmother pass away? Here's some sad confirmation. I posted it already but I guess some missed it. Heather .c The Associated Press HOMER, Alaska (AP) - Ruth Kilcher Marriott, matriarch of a musical family that includes the pop star Jewel, died here Friday after returning to Alaska to be among her children. She was 77. Marriott was a Swiss immigrant who brought music and poetry to a fabled homestead on Kachemak Bay. With her eight children and her first husband, former state Sen. Yule Kilcher, she used to perform publicly in Alaska and on lecture tours in Europe. The family musical tradition, together with Marriott's particular flair for ethereal verse and love of the natural world, have now become key elements in the success of her granddaughter, Jewel Kilcher, the 23-year-old pop celebrity generally known by her first name. ``Mom was the main musical force in the family,'' said Mairiis Kilcher, her eldest daughter. ``Singing was always a big unifying force, no matter what other conflicts went on. You can't be mad at each other when you have to harmonize.'' Marriott was 21 when she left Europe in 1941 to join Kilcher, a man she hardly knew. In a 1990 interview, she said she'd been propelled by her idealized vision of life on the land. The family farm became well known, at first largely through the efforts of Kilcher, who made a film about the homesteading life and took it on lecture tours across the states and Europe. But it was a hard life. Marriott took refuge in music and writing. She left Alaska and the homestead in 1970. She married Marriott, whom she'd met in Homer, and they traveled around the Lower 48 before settling in Tennessee. In later years, she self-published several volumes of poetry, mostly about Alaska. She is survived by her husband, Rod; her former husband, Yule; their eight children, Mairiis, Wurtila, Fay, Atz, Sunrise, Otto, Stellavera and Catkin; 22 grandchildren and 10 great-grandchildren. AP-NY-07-12-97 1526EDT Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press. To edit your profile, go to keyword NewsProfiles. For all of today's news, go to keyword News. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:27:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Tlcathome@aol.com Subject: Foolish Games Video... I saw the video yesterday morning and have avoided reading any of the reviews posted - just to keep from becoming predjudiced by all the opinions ;-) heh Anyway, I have very mixed feelings about the video - - I didn't care much at all for the slow motion feeling of it - - maybe it was because there was no emotion to go with the slow motion. Does that make sense? At least I didn't get much emotion out of it. It's the type of video that could grow on me, but not one that had me mesmerized from the beginning. I can imagine the comments on her make-up, but I liked the shimmery foundation in some of those shots :-) Something that I found interesting, that the rest of you will most likely disagree with, is that her style seemed to me to be similar to the RS picture with the crown of flowers in her hair. Which, by the way, is one of my favorite pictures of Jewel :-) Sure, her hair's up in the video, and down in the picture, but it still seemed to me to be a very similar look. Anyway, I thought she looked beautiful and the video was ok, but it just didn't seem to me like it fit the song..... This is all of course my own opinion and none of you have to agree with me - I love ya anyway. Funny, the video just came on....... Tammy :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:40:26 -0400 (EDT) From: nihao@mail2.nai.net (Nina Edlund) Subject: Re: Body Frames >Indeed. Voluptuous women RULE. Period. >Heck, those hips, breasts, and curves are >the main things that distinguish women >from men. I mean, if she's thin and >straight as a board, she's not too different >from a man, especially if she has short hair. > >Our similarities are what keep us together, >but out differences are what bring us together >in the first place. I try not to...but I can't help but feel bad in reaction to this. Being tall and slender with more streamlined curves than defined ones, I've silently put up with comments on my anatomy for most my life. Being called a carpenter's dream--Flat as a board and easy to nail--or called chicken legs just because I do not fit into society's current view of the female ideal just doesn't do great things for my self-esteem. I do not have ripe hips. I do not have ample breasts. I do not have shapely legs. But I'm trying not to let my body type...something I cannot possibly control...define my femininity. My lips can bestow silken kisses. My husky whisper can excite the imagination. My feather-light touch can caress the skin of my lover. I realize the earlier post was simply an expression of an opinion. But we live in a society that places so much pressure on appearance, all our senses being bombaraded by media opinion. People are starving themselves to death and throwing money into plastic surgery to achieve an ideal that is not a possibility for 90% of the population. Why do we all want to be the same? Why do we want to all come from the same cookie-cutter shape? Feminity and masculinity is not defined by a particular body-shape. It is defined by the intangile way one carries themself, the way one cuts through their existence, the tender words and sentiments that trips from one's lips. Simply my opinion. Nina-tah, Queen of Jungle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:42:30 -0400 From: William Chinda Subject: Re: Time... >Jewel got bumped off the cover of TIME magazine last week because they ran a >full length article on MARS with it on the cover. Sorry for my post the first time...time seems to pass a little quicker when you're workin on a deadline (no pun intended). W. Chinda wc81@ao.net http://www.ao.net/~wc81/ Chinda on IRC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:15:18 -0400 (EDT) From: DRotter154@aol.com Subject: Re: I feel like such a dork! In a message dated 97-07-16 05:46:24 EDT, you write: << I'm going to see Jewel on Aug 31 @ Jones Beach. and I don't even know what the name of this tour is!! what is it? I saw "The Tiny Lights Tour" (with the Rugburns, they rock!!) >> Im seeing Jewel in Toldeo on Sept. 6 what is the tour called and whos opening up-- feeling like a dork too-- Andrea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:27:32 -0400 From: sm_kartalopo@ACAD.FANDM.EDU (Stephanie Kartalopoulos) Subject: WOO-HOO, TIME magazine OK I just have to tell you all how excited I am. I was standing in my school's bookstore the other day reading the Jewel article in TIme cuz I did not think I would have $$ to buy the magazine. WELL...I get to work this morning, just now, and sitting on my dest is a copy of time. My boss gave me the copy that came to ehr house. She knows all about the EDAs, I tell her all about how beautiful you are and how much I love you almost every day, and she lets me email all of y'all during work and stuff, too. =D SO...everyone...take a minute and just think "Roberta Bierbower totally rocks." love you all stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:47:30 -0400 (EDT) From: VLTONEY@aol.com Subject: My opinion about Jewel's "overexposure I think you guys need to get over the fact of Jewel being "overexposure." I'm not trying to be rude or argue about anything. I mean Jewel has said thousands of times that she never gave up hope and she said at the Grammy's never to give up hope because it works. She deserves all of this. But that is just my opinion. The thing always happens that you really believe in; and the belief in a thing makes it happen. Frank Lloyd Wright Letter from Jewel My fellow music lovers- I can't begin to portray to you the feeling of a dream coming true- I know it sounds corny, but it's so true. And useful. I was just a girl who was tired of waitressing and people believed in me and fed me by coming to my shows. Without my friends in San Diego, and now this incredible new group of people across the country I would still be hungry in my van. Now I'm just hungry in a rent-a-car in 48 states in 40 days- but my heart loves it! 24 hours of this a day is better than three hours of waitressing. Sometimes record labels think they sell albums- but they don't- they help, but it's you guys who help me. So often our dreams become our hobbies and it deadens our passions. I love my life and want to thank you all. I know our lives are separate and that none of you have to care about my happiness, but that you do things like taking the time to call radio stations means a lot to me. I hope I can give back as much as I'm given. I wrote a song I'd like to dedicate to you all. It's called "Deep Water." I hope you can all hear it one day. she drew a small angel Jewel Kilcher "poem written at the airport cafeteria 6/12/95 after reading a bad press review" I think of the scrutiny and shrink beneath its million eyes has she gained weight? does blue become her? is she losing her light? Never "My I believe her intent is growing, if not her skill" Never noticing deaths Misfigured face in perfection or beauty in the awkward struggle of a new direction We've become fascinated With the fixed We possess all the curiosity of a cul-de-sac as though the honor lied in the mastering of the menial It can not be the end for which we live That is death, But for the struggle that keeps us young Daring to make mistakes Knowing there are none. I saw this letter by jewel on a website about her and I pasted it here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:37:43 -0700 From: red_ranger@juno.com (Nick the blurred Angel) Subject: Re: I feel like such a dork! Nick the blurred angel @--/----- Red_Ranger@juno.com On Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:15:18 -0400 (EDT) DRotter154@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-07-16 05:46:24 EDT, you write: > ><< > I'm going to see Jewel on Aug 31 @ Jones Beach. and I don't even know what > the name of this tour is!! what is it? I saw "The Tiny Lights Tour" (with > the Rugburns, they rock!!) >> > >Im seeing Jewel in Toldeo on Sept. 6 what is the tour called and whos >openingup-- >feeling like a dork too-- >Andrea > ALOT of EDA's and I are seeing her on Aug 29th and I might go see her at Jones Beach also!! But I *would* like this information also. =) God, I don't feal like a dork Nick the blurred angel @--/----- Red_Ranger@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 09:13:08 PDT From: dmoreno@thrasher.calstatela.edu (Daniel Moreno) Subject: NJC: Conflicts . . . I was thinking about what someone said about how there are so many people flaming everyone about comments they have made . . . like the recent one on the Native Americans . . . and mine about the lesbians . . . and how people are really taking things to serious and yelling and getting mad at one another . . . when I was listening to Jewels song . . . uhh . . . I am real bad with names . . . track #9 on POY . . . and she says, "anyone can start a conflict . . . its harder yet to disregard it . . ." people we are everyday angels . . . we are all sensitive and I'd like to see us stay that way . . . to like totally steal . . . no repeat what we Jewel knows and we listen to . . . I guess we've all stopped listening to our POY cd's . . . Danny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:11:56 -0400 From: Mike Thiel Subject: Rumour? Hey everyone ... a rumour is going around here that Jewel won't be playing Lilith Fair in Toronto ... any truth to that? Lotsa Love, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 09:35:21 PDT From: dmoreno@thrasher.calstatela.edu (Daniel Moreno) Subject: Re: Body Frames I`d like . . . no love to say . . . nah . . . when it comes to women . . . I don't care about how big her breasts are . . . how long her legs are . . . shit!! pager scared me . . . hold on . . . got some business . . . can you hold on? . . . thank you . . . I`m back . . . uhh . . . damn it . . . let me reread what I was saying and responding to . . . oh yeah . . . but I do look at that but I don't put much weight into it . . . I used to go out with this one girl . . . she was bony . . . but she was a cool person . . . we had good times together but things didn't work out but we are still friends and we still have good times every once in a great while . . . I guess thats all I have to say about that . . . my name is Forrest . . . Forrest Gump . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 09:45:33 PDT From: dmoreno@thrasher.calstatela.edu (Daniel Moreno) Subject: Re: NJC: The Joys of Life Joys in life . . . 1. looking at a painting I just finished . . . 2. being with good friends . . . 3. listening to nature . . . 4. laughing . . . 5. helping others laugh with you . . . 6. playing with my doggy . . . love you spooky . . . 7. watching the stars go by . . . 8. being left alone for a change . . . 9. when I learn something for the first time and understand . . . 10. EDA's !! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:51:09 -0700 From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Subject: Re: this whole zach thing > I really like this list and what I hear from the people who > participate, but stuff that affects less than 1% of the list either needs > to be reconsidered or mailed privately. A possible solution is for the > maintainer of this list to put together a list of everyone logged onto the > list so people could have a list of people they want to keep in touch with > privately. On this particular subject you are very wrong. You should be very glad that an alert like this is going out to the whole list so that no one else is ripped off by scam artists. The post helped us find out there were others that had been ripped off besides the original poster. The post also created a thread filled with suggestions on how to not get ripped off and help from others on getting the problem resolved. The amount of posts goes through cycles. It can be very irritating at times of peak activity. Just a suggestion. Try and learn to use filtering if your software supports it. If not, just learn to use the delete button. For every post that I don't like, I know that there is a person that is enjoying it. When we do get the occasional poster that no one likes, they have a way of working themselves out of the list. The only posts that don't belong are the ones that try to manipulate the lonely, troubled and the weak that have found this list as a safe place. Igor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:08:21 -0500 (EST) From: SM_KARTALOPO@ACAD.FANDM.EDU Subject: A RECENT List Memory... I was just checking my saved email from this list, and I came across this email. It's only a "List Memory" from April, but still...it's a great memory...definitely one of my favourite all time emails from Crunch (tho with his emails and posts to the list it's often difficult to pick out one favourite or even just a few , I LOVE YOU CRUNCH!!!!!) I just wanted to share this with all of you, regardless of whether you are new to the list and have never seen it before or if you were part of the list when this was sent out. The joy, positivity, andlove ofthis email is something that made me smile, still makes me smile. Please remember that I love all of you so much, more than can be imagined. And I can not wait to give great big hugs to everyone I see at BEarsville...and the rest of you, well, when I see you (notice I say WHEN and not IF), you will get your great huge hugs. I love you all stephanie * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ANGEL DUST w/ the EDA twist (aka Jewel Dust) ___________________________ 5 parts Selfless Love 3 parts Jewel Music 1 part Smiles 3 parts Pure Joy 1 part Carefree Attitude 4 parts Positive Outlook 1 part Empathy 5 parts Generousity Line a Huge Bowl w/ Giving Powder Mix ingredients together in the Huge Bowl with a Huge Love Spoon Add parts of Perserverence as needed to keep up Love Consistency. Sprinkle in Fairy Dust at will! Bake for however long you like in a Huge Hug Oven. Let dry in Warm Sunshine. Your Angel Dust is ready to use! Recomended usage is at extremely high levels. It is recommended that you give Angel Dust away at every single opportunity, and at very large amounts. Remember, Angel Dust is self- sustaining and re-generating: the more you give away, the more you will have! ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #569 ***************************