From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #448 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, June 18 1997 Volume 02 : Number 448 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: jewel-digest V2 #444 [HAlbans@dca.gov.au] Re: Jewel, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mantle [Kris Kane ] Re: Jewel, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mantle [HAlbans@dca.gov.au] NJC: all the poetry fuss... [JaZzToPaZ@aol.com] Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? [HAlbans@dca.gov.au] Re: Bob Dylan vs Jewel [Jessica ] Re: Bob Dylan and Jewel [Chopped Liver ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 JUN 97 13:44:03 AST From: HAlbans@dca.gov.au Subject: Re: jewel-digest V2 #444 >i met jewel Details???? Come on. We need more than this! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:43:56 -0400 From: Kris Kane Subject: Re: Jewel, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mantle At 05:25 PM 6/17/97 -0700, Adrian wrote: >a thought while dishwashing -- following the manufactured conformity of >the '50s the revolution was through a questioning form of cynicism and >protest; in this age of inbred cultural negativity and unquestioning >cynicism it's radical to be a positive idealistic... > >Jewel's power is in her philosophy, her way of being -- that sets her >apart from many other talented musicians and makes her the 90s parallel to >Dylan as a potential cultural force... Wow, Adrian! I was going to compliment you for your earlier profound post but this takes the cake! Very insightful and, to my mind, totally accurate! Funny how the greatest thought often come during the zen of dishwashing. Kris Kane _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ "Everything is holy! everybody's holy! everywhere is holy! everyday is in eternity! Everyman's an angel! ... Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the soul!" from "Footnote To Howl" by Allen Ginsberg _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:49:04 -0400 (EDT) From: HSMS97@aol.com Subject: NJC: Foolish Games Piano Music AGAIN Hi everybody.. DOH I lost the new address for foolish games piano music again.. the one that ends in htm.. could someone please send it to me? thanks! :-) take care - -Katie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 97 22:09:53 PDT From: "Derrick Chhay" Subject: NJC: Poem Hi guys...I wrote a poem about 15 minutes ago. It's about online relationships and I wrote it for my girlfriend in Washington. Love Hurts by Derrick Chhay Love hurts because you're not here It hurts because I can't see you It hurts because I won't get to kiss you It hurts because my dreams about you don't last forever Love hurts because I miss you It hurts because other guys stare at you It hurts because something might happen to you It hurts because your head isn't on my shoulder Love hurts because you're so far away It hurts because the phone calls aren't local It hurts because the chat rooms are down It hurts because all we have are words Love hurts because the dates aren't real It hurts because I can't feel your skin It hurts because I can't look in your eyes It hurts because I can't whisper sweet things in your ear Love hurts because my heart feels so empty It hurts because I sacrifice so much It hurts because my family doesn't understand It hurts because people say I'm crazy Love hurts because my parents kick me off the net It hurts because I have to say, "Bye, I love you." It hurts because I have to leave early because of work It hurts because I have to hang up the phone Love hurts. =( Cricket: The angel who hides in the shadows of the list while nobody notices ------------------------------ Date: 18 JUN 97 14:07:29 AST From: HAlbans@dca.gov.au Subject: Re: Jewel, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mantle >in this age of inbred cultural negativity and unquestioning cynicism it's radical to be a positive >idealistic... I like this a lot and it is a sentiment I have often felt as a writer. In Australia in particular, young writers who get published are more often than not of the grunge school. Cycnical about life and love and everything else. Down on everything. I have never felt that was useful or meaningful in such vast doses. There is something about Jewel's positive attitude that works as an antedote to the negativity that prevails today. In a word, it's lovely. :-) Helen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:41:53 -0400 (EDT) From: JaZzToPaZ@aol.com Subject: NJC: all the poetry fuss... I personally feel that real poetry comes from the heart and what you are feeling...if you do not feel anything for what you are writing...it most likely will come of nothing. Everything I write has a piece of me someho= w, even when I write things that no one else could ever imagine comprehendin= g (stuff that would seem like I was high when I wrote it, by the way, I don= 't do that kind of stuff, just a powerful imagination)...I myself feel a connection to it because I know what it means. If you have no feelings f= or what you are writing, no interest whatsoever, then it will probably amoun= t to nothing. So I agree with everything that Nathan said because you never f= eel just "Happy." When you ask somebody how they are feeling and they say "Fine," they are lying...no one is ever just fine. Many things can be running through the person's mind and they just answer with this so you t= hink nothing is wrong. Just to get rid of you. So you can't incorporate "Fin= e" in a poem and get across what you actually feel. No one will feel anythi= ng whatsoever, that's where the metaphors and rhymes and such come into play. Often you use writing tools such as metaphors and don't even realize it.= I think that Nathan was just giving some friendly advice to help us see tha= t there are more ways of writing to be effective.=20 So after saying that bit I will try my luck with a poem. If anyone ha= s any criticisms e-mail me. I got the idea from the movie Jerry Maguire af= ter watching it today, and it brought back to me what has happened to me in t= he last few weeks. It's the way I feel sometimes, this comes right from my heart. The idea from the movie is when the little old guy that pops up througout the movie with advice and says something like "If this is empty [pointing at his heart], then this [pointing at his head] does you no goo= d no matter how full it is." =20 So here goes, enjoy! Ciphered How can I do anything With a full mind But a ciphered heart? My soul has slumped Quicker than love can be Pumped back into it The gas cap was left undone With welcome visitors Who stole my love You who stole my love Ciphered my heart dry And now my engine can=92t start Won=92t start My mind is on edge The sun glares through the cracked window Of my broken spirit My insides stare Kindling the hurt, pain, my unconsciousness To the world I need a push A push of love to get me rolling Rolling down this hill of loss So I can be restarted And feel the love in my heart Which needs to flow in=20 When I get to the gas station But there is none in sight And no passersby near Surrounded by nothingness Lost in the middle of nowhere It matters not what I think What is in my mind It matters what I feel What is in my heart Which is dryer=20 Than the golden red dust of Mars You who took all I had Every bleeding drip of love That was in my tank Jacob ------------------------------ Date: 18 JUN 97 14:47:49 AST From: HAlbans@dca.gov.au Subject: Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? I have to say that bob's letter (snipped fully here) was one of the most interesting and intelligent letters I've read in a while on this list. I often don't read through the really long posts for lack of time and dedication but I sat and read through all of his because it was so good! i agree it's too early to predict the impact Jewel is going to have. We're putting unecessary weight on her young shoulders. She has big dreams, lets let her dream them herself and see where they take her! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:52:59 -0500 From: Jessica Subject: Re: Bob Dylan vs Jewel Fett30@aol.com wrote: > > ok, i KNOW i'm going to catch hell for this, but as a musician i can't just > sit back. I mean this in NO disrepect of Jewel or any of her fans. I love > her too. But, can we please stop comparing jewel to Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan has > been around FOREVER and his remians one of the best singer/songwriters/poets > of our time. i consider myself lucky to be living in the same time as such a > person. Jewel is another excellent songwriter/singer/poet. but she has not > come as far as someone like Bob Dylan. Dylan took the energy and voice of a > generation and used his magic to create something amazing. Bob has been > doing this for more than 30 years. Jewel, although having played all her > life, has not attained the same "status" as Bob Dylan. But, unlike Bob, > Jewel is basically a new face in music. We'll giver some time and i'm sure > she's going to be around forever also, but that takes time. I hope very much > to pull out my guitar and teach my son "old Jewel tunes" just like my dad did > with me and Bob Dylan tunes. We're all young. i plan on being inspired by > Jewel for many years to come. But this is techniacally just the start of her > career. I'll stop my rambling now, thanks for listening to one more schmuck > run off at the mouth. Take it easy everyone > > ~peter~ > "now i lay me down on wounded knees > left to dwell through sight and sound alone, > now that you're gone." - PB Peter: Thank you!!! I totally agree with you. Dylan is a legend. Always has been and always will be. Thank you for having the courage to state your feelings on the subject. However, I think that people here just compare Jewel to him, because she's inspired by Bob Dylan, rightfully so. But, Jewel has been playing guitar for like 5 yrs. Dylan has had much more experience. He is a lot older too. So, maybe in time Jewel will become a legend 30 yrs. from now, like Bob Dylan has. Hopefully I will someday too. I've been playing the guitar for 11 1/2 yrs. now and I'm still not famous. ;-) Thanx again... Peace, Jessica ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:01:04 -0600 (MDT) From: Chopped Liver Subject: Re: Bob Dylan and Jewel On Tue, 17 Jun 1997 Fett30@aol.com wrote: > ...... Bob has been > doing this for more than 30 years. Jewel, although having played all her > life, has not attained the same "status" as Bob Dylan. But, unlike Bob, > Jewel is basically a new face in music. We'll giver some time and i'm sure > she's going to be around forever also, but that takes time. I hope very much > to pull out my guitar and teach my son "old Jewel tunes" just like my dad did > with me and Bob Dylan tunes. We're all young. i plan on being inspired by > Jewel for many years to come. But this is techniacally just the start of her > career..... > ~peter~ I'm going to agree with peter her on one thing: to crown Jewel as the heir-aparrent to Dylan's domain at this time is pre-mature. I too grew up listening to Dylan as the only sane voice is a crazy time and his music has left an indelible mark on me as a person. But,I was listening to my 20-year-old "Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits" volume II cassette from Columbia House the other day and acouple of things struck me. The honesty and uniqueness of expression reminded me of Jewel quite a bit. And, many of the songs could be covered by Jewel quite well. Consider how "I'll Be Your Baby Tonight" and "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues" would fit into Jewel's repatoir. They remind me of The Morning Song and Sometimes It Be That Way. She may not yet be the annointed one, but in my opinion she is a good candidate. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #448 ***************************