From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #447 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, June 17 1997 Volume 02 : Number 447 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? [Victor Igor Wasylczenko ] Re: More Jewel Lookalikes [christa edwards ] Re: STL and angelfood [sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel)] Re: NJC: CD Advice [sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel)] NJC: Sorry but beefjerky boy I need your addy [Barnabus Heckubus? ] Re:(Stolen Illegal Music) [Mike Connell ] Re:(Stolen Illegal Music) [Erik Altmann ] Re: Jewel...inheriting the mantle from Dylan [Kris Kane ] Poem [gosiam@juno.com (Margaret E Milsztajn)] Key ["Laura Luther" ] Re:(Stolen Illegal Music) [Kris Kane ] lyrics [Clover13 ] JC:Cotton Club Atlanta Tape [Dalfinn@aol.com] Jewelstock insert [HomyQ@aol.com] Re: poetry advice [Jonders ] Future Folklore [pwmielech@stthomas.edu] Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? [ehicks@flash.net] NJC:Horde Festival [MandyP311@aol.com] Jewel, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mantle ["Adrian du Plessis" ] Re: jewel-digest V2 #444 [Superfly81@aol.com] Re: Jewel, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mantle ["Adrian du Plessis" ] Re: NJC: CD Advice [Chris Phillips ] Totally NJC: the toilet paper thing. [Emilia Garvey Subject: Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? > I would have to challenge this particular statement. I think that > if she were to release album after album, people might have trouble > keeping up with her (an overkill of songs, for lack of better > words). Plus, the longer time span between albums means that > more thought and planning can go into what will be in the albums. > Too many entertainers sign contracts saying they have to have > 'x' amount of songs / albums over 'x' amount of years, and that is > when you have albums come out with one or two good songs, and the > rest of them really make you wonder where they pulled it out of. Roger, I agree with Mark. Your statement doesn't apply to Jewel. She had a wealth of material to assemble POY from. Now with most of the material that is ready for the new album already several years old, we will not be getting a look at the current Jewel. Other artists have been inspired to reach for the high standards that Jewel has set with her music. The choice will soon be to can all the old stuff only the list has heard. Then she will be under pressure to top the standard she has set and is now being emulated by other artists. Wouldn't it be better if we could go into a record store and try to decide which Jewel CD to buy rather than which artists CD we should buy. Igor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:44:19 -0700 From: christa edwards Subject: Re: Bob Dylan and Jewel I think you're right Peter. I mean, it's unfair for people to compare her to Dylan. They are two separate artists and we still don't know right now what Jewel will be capable of creating in the future. So we can't really say that she's going to become a new Dylan. She has the promise to become a legend of sorts, and we love her music, so why does it matter whether or not she takes Dylan's music to a new level? No disrespect to anyone of course, just my opinion... - -Christa:) >ok, i KNOW i'm going to catch hell for this, but as a musician i can't just >sit back. I mean this in NO disrepect of Jewel or any of her fans. I love >her too. But, can we please stop comparing jewel to Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan has >been around FOREVER and his remians one of the best singer/songwriters/poets >of our time. i consider myself lucky to be living in the same time as such a >person. Jewel is another excellent songwriter/singer/poet. but she has not >come as far as someone like Bob Dylan. Dylan took the energy and voice of a >generation and used his magic to create something amazing. Bob has been >doing this for more than 30 years. Jewel, although having played all her >life, has not attained the same "status" as Bob Dylan. But, unlike Bob, >Jewel is basically a new face in music. We'll giver some time and i'm sure >she's going to be around forever also, but that takes time. I hope very much >to pull out my guitar and teach my son "old Jewel tunes" just like my dad did >with me and Bob Dylan tunes. We're all young. i plan on being inspired by >Jewel for many years to come. But this is techniacally just the start of her >career. I'll stop my rambling now, thanks for listening to one more schmuck >run off at the mouth. Take it easy everyone >~peter~ >"now i lay me down on wounded knees > left to dwell through sight and sound alone, > now that you're gone." - PB > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:49:47 -0700 From: christa edwards Subject: Re: More Jewel Lookalikes At 11:07 AM 6/17/97 -0700, you wrote: > Well Jewel and Renee Zellweger's similarity has been beaten to death, >as has everyone else's similarity to Jewel. But just to add to the >fire here's my contribution: > After watching the Movie Awards I thought Ellen Barkin looked a lot like >a middle aged Jewel. I guess she's about 15 years too old to have >capitalized on her physical similarity to the popular image. Oh well. > > Matt Wow, I noticed that too... But I thought it was just me. :) - -Christa > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:49:05 EDT From: sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel) Subject: Re: STL and angelfood EDAngel1@aol.com wrote: <> Not me. I listen to it a lot and can't seem to get tired of it. I'll take some requests for STL for the people that couldn't get on Mary's list. =) Mark - --- Inside my heart there's an empty room. It's waiting for lightning; it's waiting for you. - --Jewel "Absence of Fear" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:49:06 EDT From: sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel) Subject: Re: NJC: CD Advice >"The Bowman Family" wrote: > >O.k. It was just my birthday and I received quite a bit of dough and want >to buy a CD. I need to decide what CD I want to buy though. I'm only >going to buy one, because I always end up spending all of my money on CD's >and I don't want to do that this time. Here are my choices: Poe, Veruca >Salt, and Meredith Brookes. Which one is the best?? Can anyone tell me >more about these CD's?? Merideth Brooks, I think, is the best choice. I highly recommend getting Blurring the Edges. She would have been more popular if it wasn't for Alanis. People say that Merideth is "copying" Alanis. That's so untrue. That's her style, and that's probably always been her style. Music has been around so long that everyone will be compared to somebody else. It was just that Alanis came out big before she even got a chance to finish her debut CD. Give her a listen, and just keep the thought of Alanis out of your mind. Mark - --- Inside my heart there's an empty room. It's waiting for lightning; it's waiting for you. - --Jewel "Absence of Fear" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:47:45 -0700 From: Barnabus Heckubus? Subject: NJC: Sorry but beefjerky boy I need your addy If this isnt the beefJerky guy than never mind.. delete it now Hey man I lost your email.. I dont remeber what it is either.. I need to get a hold of you.. sorry EDA's but this is the only way I can get a hold of him right now. Matt - -- I would burn an eternity in hell for your kiss.. A kiss from the mornings soft lips.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:30:21 PDT From: "Chenelle Gamblin" Subject: NJC: peotry feedback Hey everyone, I just wanted to say thanks for all the feedback on my poem I wrote. I really appreciated it! And congradulations for all the other poetry writers, I'm glad I had the chance to read all your poetry! Buttercup - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:35:22 -0400 From: Mike Connell Subject: Re:(Stolen Illegal Music) Igor wrote: >Can I ask you a question? Why are you still using the list to talk >about this illegal bootleg. It is an insult to the rest of the list. We >have voiced our opinion that we do not want anything to do with stolen >property. Jewel has trusted us not to get involved with this dirty side >of the music business. I think it was because John likely just simply replied to the original Email by MikeMK before he read the posts that followed it by Chas Watkins, myself and Adrian D. Thus at the moment, he had not yet known of the "list policy" and all the Jewel & Lenedra stuff we wrote about . Mike :) /\//\\///\\\////\\\\/////\\\\\//////\\\\\\/////\\\\\////\\\\///\\\//\\/\ \ Attention new list members! The "Jewel Mailing List Netiquette And / / New Member Guide" can be viewed at http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup \ \ Also, the official page for the next great EDA gathering at the / / Blockbuster Rockfest '97 in Texas can be found at \ \ http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/rockfest97/edarockfest97.htm / / ducksoup@spectra.net WhyADuck55 (AOL Inst Msgr) DuckOfPrey@AOL.com \ \/\\//\\\///\\\\////\\\\\/////\\\\\\//////\\\\\/////\\\\////\\\///\\//\/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:51:07 -0700 From: Erik Altmann Subject: Re:(Stolen Illegal Music) Bravo Igor (& Mike C.)! I second everything you've said. In our eternal search for more, better, and newer music by Jewel, we can easily shoot ourselves in the foot by getting too self-engrossed and greedy. Peace, - -Erik >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:09:43 -0700 >From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko >Subject: Re:(Stolen Illegal Music) > >John, > >Can I ask you a question? Why are you still using the list to talk >about this illegal bootleg. It is an insult to the rest of the list. We >have voiced our opinion that we do not want anything to do with stolen >property. Jewel has trusted us not to get involved with this dirty side >of the music business. > >I suggest that we do not do any trading with anyone that posts or is >involved endorsing the bootlegs. Why should they get any angelfood when >they don't buy into the policy of fairness but continue to let the >leaches of music profit from their own greedy need to have what they >want regardless of its legal or moral implications. > >I also suggest we don't give that garbage any more free publicity by >using its title in our replies. If I see it sold in any local store, I >plan on turning the information over to the local police, the J-Team, >Atlantic Records, and ASCAP. > >Igor > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:52:06 -0400 From: Kris Kane Subject: Re: Jewel...inheriting the mantle from Dylan At 01:16 PM 6/17/97 -0400, you wrote: > >i think a lot of musicians are complete replications of each >other...almost like clones of popularity... i think thats why it may appear >to some(including myself) why one-dimensional musicians seem to dominate >the music scene...in this sense, the clones of popularity explain the >one-hit wonders...they take what genre of music made another musician >popular and duplicate that style thus become popular as well... > > xoxo Heather xoxo So true, Heather. That's one of the things that I like best about Jewel. When she burst upon the scene, Jewel's music was exactly what wasn't at all popular. At that time the music industry was pumping out mediocre whining grunge bands and Jewel, a female folk singer from Alaska, didn't fit the current pop success formula. Artistic genuis doesn't conform to social trends. When Dylan went electric in 1965 at the Neport Folk Festival, the fans booed him so heavily that he cried. That didn't stop him. He took it on the road with Levon and the Hawks (who later became The Band) backing him up and got booed every where they played. Then, when they toured the world and were still booed, Dylan's response was to tell the band to play louder. I think Jewel knows what that's like from the days that she was sent out on the road to open for metal and goth bands. But, an artist with true talent finds their audience and Jewel is finding her's. Kris Kane _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ "Everything is holy! everybody's holy! everywhere is holy! everyday is in eternity! Everyman's an angel! ... Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the soul!" from "Footnote To Howl" by Allen Ginsberg _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:12:55 -0400 (EDT) From: HSMS97@aol.com Subject: Jewel On Interview Magazine Cover Hey EDA's! :-) I just want to say that I got my issue of the July 97 Interview Magazine yesterday, and Jewel is on the cover!! It has a really nice long article, that paints her out to be the everyday angel we know her as.. :-) If anybody cant get ahold of this article, I'd be glad to type it out or whatever.. OK take care everybody! :-) - -Katie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:12:45 -0400 From: Kris Kane Subject: Re: Jewel/Dylan/Leonard Cohen/etc. Kris Kane wrote: >> My hunch is that if anyone can take >> it to a higher level David responded: >ummm... perhaps... what do you mean by a "higher level"? ... while I >belive that Jewel has the technical abilities to play in a Dylanesque >genere, I'm not sure if that's what Bob was talking about.... I think >that her musical style is, more or less, reminisent of Dylan's, but the >point is that both are unique... it appears to me that both Jewel and >Dylan are fully capable of creating a deep, meaningfull, emotionaly >charged song... by virtue of expirience, Bob may have an edge of sorts... >Blood on the Tracks certainly wasn't his first album, and to expect Jewel >(or anyone else for that matter) to match the emotional depth of Blood >(for example) early in her carrer is a bit unrealistic... I am fully >willing to belive that Jewel can craft songs as meaningfull as Dylan's, >but I *really* don't think that means that Dylan's music is being taken >to another level... in fact I can't comprehend of anyone other than Bob >taking his music to another level, just as I can't imagine anyone other >than Jewel taking her music to another level... so I suppose that my >reaction is that, no, Jewel is not taking Dylan's music to another level, >not because she is a lesser artist, but because since both her and Bob >are actual artists, no one other than they can change their music... >On a similar topic, Jewel always reminded me of Leonard Cohen... I see >massive similarities in both musical style and song topic (Chelsea Hotel >v. You Were Meant for me... for example) ... in fact, she reminds me more >of Cohen than Dylan.. anyone else have any thoughts on that? Hi David, I enjoyed your resaponse but when you quoted me: >> My hunch is that if anyone can take >> it to a higher level you added the words "Dylan's music" to my sentence and that wasn't what I said or meant. I meant exactly what I said which was that Jewel has the potential as a singer/songwriter to take it to a higher level. I was refering to the statement, that I paraphrased of Dylan saying in a radio interview, that he hoped to see before he died someone come along who took what he has done as a singer/songwriter and go farther with it. I agree with you that they are both unique individuals expressing their own distinct art and, yes, I see the similarities to Leonard Cohen too. :-) Kris Kane _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ "Everything is holy! everybody's holy! everywhere is holy! everyday is in eternity! Everyman's an angel! ... Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the soul!" from "Footnote To Howl" by Allen Ginsberg _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:15:14 -0500 From: gosiam@juno.com (Margaret E Milsztajn) Subject: Poem Hello Jewel Fans!! I'm a new comer to the list, and I'm loving every second of it. Well, I wrote a poem, and it might not be as good as all the other ones I've read in this EDA but take the time to read it,OK?? Here goes; +Crush+ I think about him everyday I think about him everyway I see his face in my dreams I think of all the possibilities His eyes are like two dark coals Burning into mine I can't help to think He is so fine When he looks into my eyes He will see no lies I think about him night and day I can't force my thoughts away I had a dream his lips touched mine I think about that all the time He gives gentle kisses Full of love and meaning I can't stop this feeling When he taps me on the shoulder I can't help to wonder That he notices me But does he Love me?? What do you think of it?? E-mail me and tell me OK?? BE HONEST!!! + * + * + * + * + gosiam@juno.com + * + * + * + * + ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:25:36 PDT From: "Laura Luther" Subject: Key KEY: AF88A34-26F516C - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:58:52 -0400 From: Kris Kane Subject: Re:(Stolen Illegal Music) At 01:09 PM 6/17/97 -0700, Igor wrote: >John, >I suggest that we do not do any trading with anyone that posts or is >involved endorsing the bootlegs. Why should they get any angelfood when >they don't buy into the policy of fairness but continue to let the >leaches of music profit from their own greedy need to have what they >want regardless of its legal or moral implications. >Igor That away Igor. I second the motion and personally will never speak the name of any illegal issue. We've got a good thing here, thanks to Jewel and Nedra. Why trash it? "You don't miss the water till the well runs dry." Kris Kane _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ "Everything is holy! everybody's holy! everywhere is holy! everyday is in eternity! Everyman's an angel! ... Holy the supernatural extra brilliant intelligent kindness of the soul!" from "Footnote To Howl" by Allen Ginsberg _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:13:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Clover13 Subject: lyrics Does anyone know the lyrics to Jewel's song "Under the Water" from "The Craft" Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:23:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Dalfinn@aol.com Subject: JC:Cotton Club Atlanta Tape Anyone with this tape please answer my question!! What is the song at the end of side two after under the water it's not listed and I'm really digging the song and I want to know whoit is?? it doesn't sound like jewel. who is it and what song is it!!! it's really good!!! Tahnks! Carrie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:26:55 -0400 (EDT) From: HomyQ@aol.com Subject: Jewelstock insert Hi! I was wondering if anyone has the pictures or graphics that came on the sheet of paper with the Jewelstock tapes. I'm making copies of Jewelstock for some people. My slip is in black and white so the copies i made of my insert didn't turn out too well. I got a color printer, so i figure i can copy the design on my computer and print them out. Thanks for your help. John Ridgway ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:37:57 -0400 From: Jonders Subject: Re: poetry advice Hello Nick, I'm sorry about what i wrote in the message, not that i wrote it, it's how i approached it. I was in one of my poetic moods...what i meant is that the soul of poetry should be able to communicate to you its identity, without the neccessity of actually been in whatever situation or event that poem may convey. I agree that we cry, or laugh because of what we sense. However a poem does not need these senses, it needs the word. I wonder if this makes more sense, i think i'm confusing myself!!! ;) Talk to you later! Eugene (the angel with a healing pair of broken wings) - -- =========================================================================== "For those of you who think there is no point, next time you breathe in fresh air, try not taking it for granted, and thank whatever it is that you believe in, even if it is nothing." - Jonders (an everydayangel recovering from broken wings) http://remus.rutgers.edu/~jonders ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:58:43 -0600 (CST) From: pwmielech@stthomas.edu Subject: Future Folklore Hey Just wondering if The JPK, Gregory Page show will be a possible second tape of this series? Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:58:32 -0600 From: ehicks@flash.net Subject: Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? Mark wrote: > 3. She has released one album in three years. I'm sorry, but I'm still bitter > about this. The idea of withholding releases to sell more albums is appalling > to me. Ani has released something like 9 albums in 7 years. This is > apparently mostly Atlantic's fault, but I'm still bitter. I don't think Bob > Dylan would have done this. You can't even BEGIN to blame this on Jewel. Atlantic has everything to do with this. Jewel was on tour for quite a while trying to expose herself to music listeners, which explains some of the delay. Then there is the fact that she went into the studio and recorded new stuff, but Atlantic decided that YWMFM was doing so well they would release another single off of POY. Jewel would not have done this if it weren't for Atlantic. And you can't compare Ani and Jewel because Ani has her own record label, and therefore, is her own boss and doesn't have to deal with a record company telling her what to do. I'm sure if Jewel was in the same position as Ani, she would be releasing new stuff whenever she got the opportunity to. *hugs* Emily ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: MandyP311@aol.com Subject: NJC:Horde Festival Hay somebody help me please, somebody gave the address for the horde Festival and I could not get it to come up on the screen. Does anybody know if it is coming to Kc. WHen the rugburns came here in March this year they said they were coming but now i have not heard! Help me! Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:02:02 -0700 From: "Adrian du Plessis" Subject: Jewel, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mantle Other EDAs have contributed things that I would say, too, on the subject of Jewel and Bob Dylan -- their uniqueness and their similarities. So, I'll try and contribute some different points. For all their differences in their music (and their are, obviously, some common threads too) and, especially, their personalities (Jewel is as open and approachable at this stage of her career as Dylan was distant and closed), it's understandable that EDAs see a bond between Jewel and Dylan. And a passing of the torch may be the more agreeable analogy as to what Jewel may represents to those who follow this course. It's not that Jewel will surpass Dylan or Dylan will surpass Jewel in the ways that makes each an unique artist. Dylan has more accomplishments, that comes with being who he is and living this long. That does not in any way diminish the meaning, the power and beauty of what Jewel is saying in the present. If one doesn't think in the context of lifetime achievements, and instead considers the immediate, the now, then I'd say Jewel and Dylan share equally in an ability to reach souls. (Dylan maybe took the head route, and Jewel takes the heart road -- but they both arrive at the same place.) Jewel embodies a philosophy of hope, of belief in social change and in justice -- of the ideal brand that resonates today just as Dylan did in an earlier generation. These are different times so the form must be different. One cannot replicate what Dylan did in the '60s and '70s anymore than it's possible to reproduce what Jewel is doing today. It's simply real. The songs that inspire people within the cultural politics of another time will not do the same, in the same way, today and vice-versa. Dylan reportedly argued with the late Phil Ochs, saying: "The stuff you're writing is bullshit because politics is bullshit. It's all unreal. The only thing that's real is inside you. Your feelings. Just look at the world you're writing about and you'll see that you're wasting your time. The world is, well... it's just bullshit." Dylan was great with causes but was weaning himself off protest songs at the time -- his sense of individual humanity took a while to establish. Dylan guarded himself by acting (what's a guy to do when people are declaring you're God?), in contrast, Jewel can, at times, seem dangerously unguarded in her honesty. (There's another obvious difference in perspective -- Dylan is a man and Jewel is a woman.) Jewel, at the very start of her musical career, finds the universal in the personal (rather than the other way around). She communicates through a poetic language that is, both, simple and profound. Joan Baez wrote about Dylan, calling him The Dada King, in her first autobiography, Daybreak. Her words reveal a character that's personally a world apart from Jewel but in his ability to reach the truth in others, very much the same: "There was the storm of seeing him. Of watching him act distant and fake a regular heartbeat. Of laughing as the young dada king pulled off his crazy act on the stage. Of seeing three thousand people forgive the unforgivable because his magic came out of a well of small gems and an inexcusable charm -- He put us all on. But mostly he put himself on because through his entire dada act he smiled only three times. A bizarre liar, screaming into the electric microphones under the bright bright lights with five anonymous musicians straining the dark around him. He was a huge transparent bubble of ego. And I said yes to the sounds of rage and his band and I listened and heard the words, the pleadings, the nonsense, the denials, and I almost drowned in it but came up over and over to call for more... and he went ahead hitting hard and steady until he broke his heart in public -- and denied it all backstage afterwards -- after the show. Someone drove me home and I walked around the house. I ate from the refrigerator and stopped somewhere in the middle of a bite and waited. Calm swept in from the outside. I didn't move. God was somewhere in the kitchen and I was heating milk and thinking... I am lucky... The dada king sleeps... The bells of the Gregorian chanters are ringing... I feel a glow for the dada king... Listen, God, look closely after him. He's more fragile than most people and, besides, I love him. I "also keep the cards that read 'Have mercy on his soul'." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:32:50 -0400 (EDT) From: GRooVe MoNTHLY Subject: A Steve Poltz Dream *NJC* I just woke up - slept from 1pm to 9pm (can we say vampire?) and like I had the weirdest dream. I think i was sitting in a coffee bar one day and the Rugburns were playing and i was drooling and tripping over myself and i was like subconsciously thinking "why?" and like i really wanted to meet Steve, but i didn't. then i woke up cuz someone called... (figures) then i went back to sleep and i was on an online MajorBBS. I was talking to a newbie whose name was Steve and in his reg it said he liked the Rugburns, and I was paging him like "WOW YOU LIKE THE RUGBURNS!" but i was like cursing up a storm because of my tourettish habit, and he got offended or something and left after i had put it together that it was Steve Poltz... *smackforehead* well i leave you with a stupid dream :) umm i haven't even heard any rugburns music - i'd love to tho if anyone can help me out there :) ttyl - -linda :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:49:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Superfly81@aol.com Subject: Re: jewel-digest V2 #444 i met jewel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:25:34 -0700 From: "Adrian du Plessis" Subject: Re: Jewel, Bob Dylan and Mickey Mantle a thought while dishwashing -- following the manufactured conformity of the '50s the revolution was through a questioning form of cynicism and protest; in this age of inbred cultural negativity and unquestioning cynicism it's radical to be a positive idealistic... Jewel's power is in her philosophy, her way of being -- that sets her apart from many other talented musicians and makes her the 90s parallel to Dylan as a potential cultural force... ------------------------------ Date: 18 JUN 97 12:25:20 AST From: HAlbans@dca.gov.au Subject: NJC: Gatherings hello angels, just thought I'd share this. I feel VERY left out when you all talk about gatherings and so on taking place with Angels in America, wishing I could go and be part of the EDA community through more than just email so finally I get to go to a gathering here in australia!! It's not an EDA gathering true, but an Indigo Girls one which is just as good IMO. One is being organised for Sydney in a few weeks and I will make the trek to meet some fellow IG list members! I'm so happy. Maybe one day we'll have an Australian EDA gathering like I often wish for...or better still I'll make it to the America for one! Helen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:30:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Strwy2Hvn3@aol.com Subject: a Jewel message from a newbie Whats up guys? I am a new member to the list but, I read this essay that was inspired by Jewel in one of the web pages and thought that you might like it.(this is only one paragraph of the essay). Jewel reminds us to look at ourselves and ask ourselves who we are and what we need to do to be happy. One flame among billions, she shines brightly because of the choices she made so long ago, undoubtedly much of the early seeds of life instilled within by her parents. Life is all about choices, touching others, and being touched by others each day. It's about who we really are. It's about finding our true selves and being honest about what we feel and what we believe every hour of every day. Jewel is a nexus for all of us who call ourselves Every Day Angels. In her, we see a piece of ourselves. She is as much a piece of us as we are a piece of her. And though many will flock to her concerts for other superficial reasons devoid of understanding for her message, many more of us will be reminded of the truths she sings in her passion, be strengthened by the honesty of her words, and be reminded never to give up their dreams. To read the whole essay go to http://hugse1.harvard.edu/~wangal/jewel.html On this web page you can also download the whole performance of "Foolish Games" from the David Letterman show. P.S. I am looking for Angel Food, I am new to the list and do not have any, so if anybody is willing to make it just e mail me with what you have and the cost and i will get back to you. thanx. P.S.S. Does anyone know when Jewel will be performing in southern california P.S.S.S. Does anyone know an adress to send either e-mail or regular mail that Jewel might actually get. I am not looking for her personal address, knowing that she needs her privacy but, just something like a fan mail that she might actually read. Thanx again. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:47:29 -0500 From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (bob) Subject: Re: Jewel: The Next Dylan? "Mark Anthony Miazga" writes: > > Against Jewel : > > 3. She has released one album in three years. I'm sorry, but I'm still bitter > about this. The idea of withholding releases to sell more albums is appalling > to me. Ani has released something like 9 albums in 7 years. This is > apparently mostly Atlantic's fault, but I'm still bitter. I don't think Bob > Dylan would have done this. BING! But this isn't number 3. This is number 1. Not being one to fail to tell the emperor to his face if he's buck naked (as some here have said they now fear to do), I'll don some SPF 90 and the Hooks(tm) brand fireproof suit for a moment: ;) Her record company is the number one thing preventing her from potentially having as great an impact as Dylan did - Atlantic is responsible for: - - "convincing" her to live in her past, repeatedly performing songs she'd written years before. I sumbit that some of the peformances where she's seemed to be "over-emoting" were in fact attempts to squeeze emotion (that is perhaps waning or at least different than it was years ago) out of a song she's performed pretty much at least once a day, every day, for the last 2+ years... - - hindering continued development - with one on hold in the can, there will be at least one whole era of songs (and development) that never make it to the studio *on top* of those "extras" that just didn't quite have enough to make the final cut. Assuming the next album is released as is, it will be the third album (circa 2000) that will be tough - will she abandon songs that are new since the recording of FCS (Down, My Body Is Changing, etc) and produce an album consistant with where she is at that time or will she attempt to include the best of them with the best of the stuff she writes in 1998 and 1999, possibly producing an album that lacks a unified feel? - - remixing her work to make it more "radio friendly" (multiple times if the first attempt fails...). I wish her a nickel for every penny she earns, but "Pablo, `Blue Nude' is nice, but if we sped that blue up to cyan, it would sell so much better... perhaps you should tone down the brush strokes and wouldn't a tree or two in the background make for nice harmony?" just sends chills down my spine. None of the remixes have improved upon the album tracks lyricly, technically, or artistically, IMHO. - - intentionally hiding some of her best efforts from the public. "But they put non-album tracks on promos". Exactly. They only serve to stir up hype, make money for record store owners (and unscrupulous DJs), and allow radio stations to inflate their egos (don't get me started about "The Women of The River (WVRV)" and their concert, known elsewhere on the planet as Lilith Fair) futher by having (legally) exclusive access to tracks (don't forget that buying, selling, trading or even giving away promos is technically illegal). Now I don't buy many singles (since I find I seldom like just a single song from an album - odds are I'm buying a single after I have the album to get the non-album material), but the last time I bought a single that had an album track as the only b-side it quite literally was a "b-side" (on a 45). What could possibly be the motive? 3 and 4 track singles are not uncommon if the artist has the material (and to that provision there can be no doubt in Jewel's case). Further - surely everyone remembers the toils of Lenedra having to go to the wall for us with Atlantic to let any of the Jewelstock recordings see the light of day, non? I'm no Dylan expert (I'll leave that to those of you who were around to witness his development ;) ), but from what I do know, I don't think anyone could mistake the above for his early recording experiences. Those who have said Jewel's career is as yet too young to forecast impact on the next generation in 30 years are probably correct, though I can say with some certainty that the longer she stays under Atlantic's thumb (at least with their current arrangement), the more likely her name will carry the weight of Bobby Darin than Bob Dylan... The bitterness Mark has I find I sometimes still share. Some days I can grin and swallow it, others the bitter taste left behind poisons any attempt to hear through it (guess where I am today. ;) ). In the past, some have posited that Atlantic is the best thing to happen to her - for sticking with her until she acheived success when it is not uncommon for them (or any major) to drop artists within weeks or months of "unsuccessful" releases (anyone else remember the floating album sales target she had to hit?). If anyone believed she was ever seen as something other than a potential source of revenue before the postponement of the album, hopefully their vision has since cleared. Her talent, not her label, is unquestionably the best thing she has going for her and if Atlantic wouldn't have seen it or kept with it, someone else would have. Maybe not as quickly, but just as assuredly. bob ps. I don't post that often, but I wouldn't have come here 2 years ago if I didn't love the music. 8) Wouldn't have stayed if people weren't free to state their minds - be it to heap praise for what they feel are laudable efforts or to be critical of what they feel are legitimate shortcomings. 8( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:12:16 EDT From: romarch@juno.com (Grape Woman) Subject: VH1 Crossroads CD Hi all EDA's! Just for everyone's information, VH1 just released a compilation CD with 13 different VH1 Crossroads performances. I bought it at Circuit City for $12.99. Jewel's "Foolish Games" is included with other songs. If anyone wants a list of the songs, feel free to e-mail me at romarch@juno.com. Oh, and thank you to all the EDA's who helped me find a copy of that WWSYS single! You guys prove that good people in this world still exist. :o) Sharon "There's no point in being mean. I guess that's just what you get when you forget to dream ..." - - Jewel Kilcher's "Nikos" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:19:23 -0400 From: Chris Phillips Subject: NJC: Bob Dylan / Ani DiFranco Does anyone know if Bob has cancelled his concerts this summer. Fellow EDA Lauren Bond & myself tossed around the idea of going to one of the shows at Wolf Trap & were wondering if he cancelled any shows b/c of his illness. Thanks Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:24:34 -0400 From: Chris Phillips Subject: Re: NJC: CD Advice I'd have to say POE. The girl simply rocks on all levels. She's capable of doing aggressive songs like "Trigger Happy Jack" & "Choking The Cherry" to mildly aggressive but more peaceful sounding songs like the album versions of "Angry Johnny" & "Hello" to doing beautiful ballad-like songs such as 2 of my faves "Beautiful Girl" & "Fly Away." I'm surprised she really hasn't become that big of a hit with this whole riot-grrrl explosion that everyone is talking about. Her album is very solid from the first track to the last. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:20:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Emilia Garvey Subject: Totally NJC: the toilet paper thing. What is U ppls problem!! It comes out the bottom...it tears easier that way!!!! ok. I'll shut up now. GOtta send you guys some poetry.:) Emilia "The Jilted Angel" Garvey _____________________________________________________________________ "You were the only one, you were the censor, you'll never people me, I'm not defenseless." -Bush "Insect Kin" "Sorry I was a point you were destined to miss...sorry that my heart breaking ruined your day" -Jewel "Sometimes It Be That Way ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #447 ***************************