From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #427 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Tuesday, June 10 1997 Volume 02 : Number 427 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MTV Movie Awards [Chris Groves ] New here [bedo7@juno.com (Emily S Tate)] Jewel's long lost twin??????? [RYAN FRUEH ] Jewel Related Questions [MikeDreams@aol.com] re:Albert Sze-wei Wang [steel@cybertap.com (Roy Conlin)] Re: Jewel's long lost twin??????? [jane ] Re: NJC: Re: mad [Albert Sze-Wei Wang ] MrBB-MTV Unplugged Premier Airing date [ABershaw@aol.com] JC; BATMAN PREMIERE [BOB ] Re: Messages! [jeweleda@juno.com (Kim R)] Seventeen (yes this is JC) [jeweleda@juno.com (Kim R)] '98 Stuff [DmBear978@aol.com] Re: NJC: Re: mad ["Nathan" ] Re: mad ["Nathan" ] Attention SoCal EDAs: CBS/TV interview [Victor Igor Wasylczenko What do you think? [Joshua Baummer <] Re: Jewl merchandise [Alexander ] heh,heh means??? [Joshua Baummer ] NJC:Re:All the mad re:'s [kareng@ici.net (karen gannon)] Jewel In Guitar World Acoustic Pics ["Andrew Fu" ] the cookie thing [julie ] Fiona Apple and others [julie ] Tapes [Damian ] Tapes? [Damian ] Re: NJC: Re: mad [Albert Sze-Wei Wang ] Re: the cookie thing [Alexander ] Re: Fiona Apple and others [Chris Phillips ] NJC: Bloodhound Gang and the ROAR tour. ["Mandy Pop Ali" ] NJC: no this isn't necessary, but does it hurt? [rickbond Subject: MTV Movie Awards For those in Europe able to receive MTV Europe, the following is a list of the broadcast times for the MTV Movie Awards. PREMIERE Thursday 19 June 2200 CET 2100 UK Saturday 21 June 2100 CET 2000 UK Sunday 22 June 1600 CET 1500 UK Wednesday 25 June 0100 CET 0000 UK Further details are on MTVtext 234, including the award categories and nominations. It's also worth keeping half an eye on MTVtext page 121, where details of the Unplugged broadcasts are kept, just in case they ever get to broadcast Jewel's. Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:23:28 -0400 From: bedo7@juno.com (Emily S Tate) Subject: New here Hi! I am new to this list thing, but definetly not new to Jewel. I have never liked a singer/artist so much. I compare myself to her. Because of all she has gone through and achieved. About the liking people only for physical reasons. The look of a person can be the first thing that makes you attracted to someone, but it does not have to be. You could be best friends with someone and then suddenly fall in love with them. Looks are not that big of a factor (unless you are a pig). No one should worry TOO much about there looks; just have the best personality possible (your own). I am so excited about being on this mailing list. Emily aka Bedo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:35:05 -0500 (CDT) From: RYAN FRUEH Subject: Jewel's long lost twin??????? I recently watched Jerry Maguire since I saw it originally in the theatre. Something I couldn't help but notice was the uncanny resemblence between Jewel and Renee Zellweger. I'm not in anyway trying to compare the two, but I just thought how closely resemble each other. I don't want to start some huge controversial topic, just want to know what other EDA's think about the subject! Innocently, Ryan Frueh ************************************************* * OFFICE OF STUDENT PUBLICATION * * THE ALESTLE * * SOUTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY AT EDWARDSVILLE * * * * RYAN FRUEH * * ADVERTISING/ SALES MANAGER * * rfrueh @siue.edu * * * * "'Yeah I'm Free, I'm Freefallin - Tom Petty * * * * * ************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: MikeDreams@aol.com Subject: Jewel Related Questions Hi EDAs, Can someone tell me where I can get a copy of the EDA Cover Tapes? Also, I tried to order the Wizard of Oz in Concert starring Jewel, but at the 1-800-201-8844 number they said it is no longer available. I also called the 1-800-523-0823 number they don't know what I am talking about. Any suggestions? Thanks Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:51:14 -0700 From: steel@cybertap.com (Roy Conlin) Subject: re:Albert Sze-wei Wang Hello, again...seems like I have posted more in the past 3 days than in a month...:-) I just want to repost what I sent because you seem to have added or included someone elses messgae with mine....??? As an example I was putting my "PRIORITIES" on the personality....I may be wrong but it seemed like you were trashing me when I was simply thinking the same way as you do???? What is this???? > Hello, it is kinda funny but 90% of the people in this world of ous is > first attracted to people because of physical reasons...then they get to > know each other.......tv plays off of physical attraction as does most > things these days....I have a feeling it is not going away any time > soon.... *shrug* > > just my 2 cents > > STEEL of the lost in the croud society.... > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:58:29 -0700 From: jane Subject: Re: Jewel's long lost twin??????? I agree, Renee and Jewel do look very similar. I first noticed it when I saw Renee on the Rosie O'Donnell show. I was thinking, "wow! She looks like Jewel!" and then a few minutes later, Rosie herself told Renee that she looks like Jewel, and Renee seemed flattered. She said even her friends tell her that. =) jane RYAN FRUEH wrote: > > Postage paid by: [Image] > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > I recently watched Jerry Maguire since I saw it originally in the theatre. > Something I couldn't help but notice was the uncanny resemblence between > Jewel and Renee Zellweger. > > I'm not in anyway trying to compare the two, but I just thought how > closely resemble each other. I don't want to start some huge > controversial topic, just want to know what other EDA's think about the > subject! > > Innocently, > > Ryan Frueh > > ************************************************* > * OFFICE OF STUDENT PUBLICATION * > * THE ALESTLE * > * SOUTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY AT EDWARDSVILLE * > * * > * RYAN FRUEH * > * ADVERTISING/ SALES MANAGER * > * rfrueh @siue.edu * > * * > * "'Yeah I'm Free, I'm Freefallin - Tom Petty * > * * > * * > ************************************************* > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:48:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: NJC: Re: mad On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Paul Jarvis wrote: > I don't know about everyone else, but I don't sit and analyse every > women I see to understand their personality from afar... Obviously. ;) Just kidding. :) You say it like this is something that's extremely difficult. Is this something that people don't normally do? It's not like you're psychoanalyzing them or anything, it's just that you get a feeling for who they are. > Are you saying that physical attraction means nothing or that people who > are physically attracted to one another are shallow and their > relationships will end in murder? Did you read what I wrote? People will see ONLY what they are looking for. Repeat after me, people will see ONLY what they are looking for. That means that people will see ONLY what they are looking for. What physical attractiveness means or what happens to a relationship is dependant upon what you are looking for. How shallow a person is is a matter of choice. Because physical attractiveness isn't important to me doesn't mean it's not important to someone else. For me whether an individual is a psycho will always be more important than their pulchritude. I've known some people who are probably the most physically comely people you'll meet, but are the ugliest people in the world to me because of their superficiality and intolerance. Because none of us can control the body we're born with, I will always consider what someone does with their life, beliefs, values, and attitudes the most important. But I freely admit that's something that's unique in my own attitude. A good analogy I have is this: when you look for a dog, do you look for personality or the looks? For me it's personality but I know alot of people go for looks. > I agree physical attraction can be > what sparks and interest and IS HEALTHY if that isn't the only thing > going in the relationship! Absolutely. I definitely agree. > Why do people think it is shallow be > attracted to someone if one of the reasons (and again, not the only one) > is physical? I don't think that's the case at all. I think people are just tired of the only thing coming out of guy's mouths as "huh huh, she's a hot babe, huh huh." I'm sure if people said they liked Jewel because she was inspirational, intelligent, witty, and attractive you wouldn't hear any complaints. I think we've bothered the list enough with this. Please send private email in responses only. Albert Wang Dark Seraph bahamude@user1.channel1.com Jewel Quotes and QTs http://hugse1.harvard.edu/~wangal/jewel.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 17:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB-MTV Unplugged Premier Airing date Hi, A lot of people have been writing me privately asking about the MTV Unplugged airing. The premier airing of Jewel's Unplugged performance will be on Thursday evening, June 24th. Check your local listings for exact times. Alan(MrBB) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:55:17 -0700 From: BOB Subject: JC; BATMAN PREMIERE JEWEL is scheduled to attend the World Premiere of "BATMAN & ROBIN" this Thursday night, June 12th, in Westwood. So you might want to set your VCRs for HARD COPY, ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT, ACCESS HOLLYWOOD, EXTRA, etc. on Friday. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:15:28 EDT From: jeweleda@juno.com (Kim R) Subject: Re: Messages! On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:25:35 -0000 a-BoNe writes: >Where do I go to cancel these messages...Everyday I check my e-mail, I >= >get like 30+ messages, and it's starting to get annoying...Someone = >please tell me how to get this thing to stop sending me messages...I = >love Jewel and all, but too many e-mail messages are coming and I'm = >starting to get annoyed....thanks for your help and have a nice >day..... > Let's see... in order to unsubscribe first you have to move yourself to India and travel through the country for many years until you become spiritually secure and reach enlightenment.. if you can not acheive this well then "You're stuck with us - WAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!" (or you could actually just read the fac you got when you subscribed.. you DID save it right... otherwise we can't help you ;) when will people learn.. you don't get them just so you can delete them) Kim Oh god.. two posts in a day already.... what can I say.. it's WAY to hot to go outside and I'm bored :ož ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:15:28 EDT From: jeweleda@juno.com (Kim R) Subject: Seventeen (yes this is JC) I finally looked at my Seventeen magazine I got last week (the one with Brad Renfro [sp?] on the cover) and I was suprised to find Jewel in it.. In the servey, she won fave solo singer (knocking Alanis out) plus she was mentioned as third for the singer you wish you could be or something like that.. Their is a small picture on that articale.. Then for another section on hot "new" celebs she was mentioned with a nice picture in her van (not sure if it is "The Van").. Plus for those cardboard cd adds there was a picture of her (not the cover of the album but one I don't think I've seen anywhere).... Another thing I found recently was in the travel section of my local newspaper (Times Union).. some 10 year old kid wrote about his trip to London (the reason I read it.. this is where I plan to live 10 years from now :::dreaming:::) He mentioned how he went to thr Royal Albert Hall and just happened to see Johny Cash (*hint*hint*hint*)... it really hit me when I read that.. "Jewel was there!!!!!!" he only had one sentence on her but I thought it was ironic... Kim P.S. anyone notice a lot of newbies posts recently.. half of the messages I get seem to be someone introducing themselves.. I'd like to say "WELCOME TO ALL :)" I'd make you guys tapes but I'm very bogged down already w/ a non-Jewel related tape - don't worry Meg it's a comin' :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 18:34:03 -0400 (EDT) From: DmBear978@aol.com Subject: '98 Stuff Hey fellow EDA'r!! Just so everybody knows, my name is Alex and Im in Orange County, CA. Up the coast from Jewel's homebase. Im just wondering if there is anything special that EDA people can get at the Lilith Fair? Also, is she going back to San Deigo after the Fair to work on new stuff? Later 'Quiet Warrior' boy Alex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:04:14 +0000 From: "Nathan" Subject: Re: NJC: Re: mad > > > I won't presume to know anyone's thoughts, but let's be honest: you > > can't see a personality from across a crowded room. Well, okay, so > > you can see indirect expressions of a personality at that distance > > but that's it. > > You make it sound like that's nothing, but you couldn't be farther from > the truth. The way a person holds themselves, how they dress, how they > gesture and how they communicate all reveal a great deal about who they > are. These things ARE their personality. You don't know their word usage > or whether or not they waterski, are accomplished writers or poets, > successsful businessmen/women or engineers, but you DO get a very large > exposure of their personality. Anyone who says otherwise obviously as > their priorities in a person elsewhere. Body language reveals a lot of a > person's fears, confidence, discomfort, arrogance, or kindness. > > Richard Bach wrote that your friends will know you more in the first few > minutes of meeting you than your acquaintences will know in a life time. > This is absolutely true. Who a person is inside is there in plain view if > you stop oggling at other things. > > > > Let's look closer at the original message... Roy said looks account > > for FIRST attraction. What I get from this is, a nice ass isn't > > going to sustain a relationship past two seconds, but it can spark > > interest. > > ;) Well, we can see where your priorities are- but don't at all assume > that that's the ONLY way. ^_^ > > > I'll tell you right now that I love my girlfriend very > > much but it was her looks that brought me to her. Two years later, I > > know her almost as well as I know myself and I love her very much. > > Is our relationship more shallow because of its beginnings? I didn't > > think so. > > I've seen similar relationships start the same way and end in murder. The > point here is each case will be unique and each person sees different > things. How the relationship turns out is up to them. Many will just see > the superificial looks. A smaller number will see the personality manifest > in action. And a tinier minority will see things the majority will > never be able to see. The world is colorful place, but what we see > depends on what we're looking for. > > > > Just adding some perspective. > > *nod* Just adding some more. :) > > Albert, you talk almost as much as I do! I was not discrediting the value of body language. I was merely stating that humans seek a certain asthetic in other humans. You mentioned manner of dress, posture and gesture. (Actually, I wish we had body language at our disposal right now. If we did, we wouldn't be in disagreement.) As evolved as we like to think we are, we still look for that which fits this asthetic, or archetype as Jung would call it; our primal criteria. (Don't get me wrong, each of us prioritizes it differently; most of us without even thinking about it.) Now as for intimate relationships, we look for so much beyond that archetype (I hope) that physical traits pale in comparison to what we find inside our partner, but only AFTER we've found it. Until then we're searching them for clues to who they are. What I'm saying is, you can approach someone because you found them captivating from across a room. You can strive to get inside their head and heart, to try their soul on, to truly connect with them. You can love them with all your being and realize that you have found a piece of yourself in them. But must it all be thrown away because what drew you across the room so long ago was how they looked? If you did throw it away wouldn't that be as shallow and superficial as only being interested in them for their appearance? As for my personal situation, I do not maintain my relationship with my current partner because of her looks. After two years, it's really quite irrelevant, though I take no shame in saying that I find her as physically attractive now as when we first met. Is she the most beautiful woman in the world? Probably not. But is anyone as beautiful as her to me? No. Whoops! I find her attractive, I'd better call it off. So no, looks are not everything, and it may surprise you to hear that I believe a person's inner being is. Clarifying my perspective, Nathan dogslife@bigfoot.com "Being a man leaves me cold: that's how it is." -Pablo Neruda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:04:14 +0000 From: "Nathan" Subject: Re: mad > Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:53:16 +0100 > To: jewel@smoe.org > From: kareng@ici.net (karen gannon) > Subject: Re: mad > >I'm sick of all people who just like jewel cuz she's "HOT". > >Don't get me wrong, she's very beautiful, but people have to look > >beyond that. I mean, this is the 90's, people should love and respect > >a person for who they are, not what they look like. > > So people with beautiful voices and incredible songs are automatically > beautiful inside? I don't know Jewel, neither do most of the EDA's. When we > consider the chosen few who have met her lucky, obviously most have no clue > about her REAl personality. I'd like to believe she's as nice as I imagine > her to be, but unless I meet her someday, I'll never know. > > Josh > > Josh, I think we have a few clues as to Jewel's real personality. Her songs. As a songwriter myself, I couldn't begin to write 300 songs as I would imagine someone else would have written them. So through her music we know a great deal about how Jewel feels and thinks. Of course, not everything comes out through a person's songwriting. So you're right to say that we don't really KNOW her. But still, a person's art provides a pretty good view into their soul. Nathan dogslife@bigfoot.com "Being a man leaves me cold: that's how it is." -Pablo Neruda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:57:56 -0700 From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Subject: Attention SoCal EDAs: CBS/TV interview Kris Sanders from Channel 8 San Diego, called me to do an interview about the EDA. He wanted to send a crew to my house. But quick thinking made me suggest that it be done at Java Joe's. I told him I could get a group of EDAs together for the interview. Cindy Lee Berryhill and Elizabeth Hummel may also come down. They would like to tell people how the EDAs helped them during their tour. My strategy is to get publicity for EDA and EDA Foundation, exposure for Java Joe, CLB, EH, and most of all recognition for how much Jewel has done for her new home town. I NEED YOUR HELP. Be there tomorrow. The following people have confirmed that they will be there. Nancy Morales & daughters Larry Greenfield Sinjin Mandy Paul Williams Euljohn Possibles: Cindy Lee Berryhill Elizabeth Hummel Erick Garske Tomorrow 9:00am June 11 Java Joe's 4994 Newport Ave Ocean Beach, CA 619/523-0356 It will be broadcast on Saturday on CBS channel 8 San Diego The exact time of the broadcast will be announce later. Igor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:29:49 -0400 From: Joshua Baummer Subject: JewelStock/EDAstock Reunion -------->What do you think? Hi all, come on, I read the post about a reunion and I think it is a great; idea. Sadly I did not make it to JewelStock but hey just as Steph said lets have it with a "twist" EDAstock. How bout it? Mid July or something? Again like Steph said some may be money tight be look this could hopefully be as big or maybe bigger than JewelStock if this is a JewelStock reunion. I know I am thinking big but I beleive someone said that the list is 3 times as big from last year----->and growing everyday. I'll tell you one thing I am no way a "Vet" at least I don't think I am but I am a oldie as I took Eric's(Crash boy's) questionaire ahh. I have myself only been to one gathering since joining this wounderful list (thank you Jeff) but before going to the Great EDAdventure I myself just though I was just another face in front of my OWN computer writing something down to you all. Now since I went to a gathering even though it was only one I personaly feel like I now belong;) So back to the ponit I think a reuion is good not just for EDA's a year ago but for you all,me and all these newbies that join everyday. Well I think I made my point. Steph I will back you 100% if you (and i) can get something together. I will take any critisim that you have. Josh An EDA forever. " I now belong" <---- My own little saying. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:56:29 -0400 From: Alexander Subject: Re: Jewl merchandise Craig Volchko wrote: > > Hi everybody, i was wondering where i could buy jewel merchandise such > as posters,t-shirts,ect.......thanx in advance > > Craig yep, i guess me too ! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:59:53 -0400 From: Joshua Baummer Subject: heh,heh means??? Hi all, How are all you all doing this evening? I have a question. What does heh,heh mean? Thank you. Josh An EDA forever. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:16:40 +0100 From: kareng@ici.net (karen gannon) Subject: NJC:Re:All the mad re:'s Attraction:I know some people won't like that it's become a thread, but it has! There are so many different things that attract us to others. Physical beauty is just another one of these things. When time passes and there is only one thing that attracts us to someone, then in my mind it's shallow (unless that thing is personality, because that's really so many things...) I'm in all honors classes in school. You may recognize my kind, the kid in back who does no work, doesn't study, but still manages A's and B's? There in the back, I get a good look at everyone, and as I fall asleep, I am usually disgusted by some of the things I see. So many of them judge people by grades and the levels of classes taken. This is shallow. There are kids in my school who are the nicest kids you could ever meet, but aren't too bright, or whatever. They aren't "cool". When people put them down, or reject them because of it, this is shallow. We need to recognize this. Looks aren't the only thing people can be shallow about. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:12:36 +0000 From: "Andrew Fu" Subject: Jewel In Guitar World Acoustic Pics I bought the Guitar World Acoustic magazine today. I scanned the pictures just in case any wanted to see them so here they are: Picture of her in a guitar string ad for D'Addario- http://www.randomc.com/~andrewfu/jewel/daddario.jpg Nice picture of her in a yellow dress- http://www.randomc.com/~andrewfu/jewel/yellowdress.jpg Picture of her in the back of a van- http://www.randomc.com/~andrewfu/jewel/van.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 19:53:35 -0400 From: julie Subject: the cookie thing Hey all, Don't know if you saw the cookie recipe or not, but I have heard this same story over and over since I was 9. Only when I was 9, it was Mrs. Field's and it was my uncle's fiance's story. Recently I heard it again and it was some other big bakery chain. Now it's Neiman Marcus. And guess what? It's the same exact cookie recipe every time. Hmmmm. However, my brother made the cookies 11 years ago, and they were delicious. So don't let the questionable validity of the message keep you from having a gastronomically good time. Love, Jules ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:10:51 -0400 From: julie Subject: Fiona Apple and others Thanks everybody who answered me about the D.C. Lilith Fair, but now my question is, are all of Fiona Apple's music like the one I've heard, Sleep to Dream(?)? I know a lot of you on the list highly recommend her, and I kind of like that song, but I think that after I've heard it another five times, that repetitive beat is going to annoy me. So could ya'll compare her other music to someone else, or is it all the same? Jules Oh, and can you guys tell me what you think of Abra Moore and Once Blue? What do they sound like? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:26:23 -0400 From: Damian Subject: Tapes Hey ya'll! Well I was just wondering if I could get any kind of Angelfood, I'd be happy to pay for blanks, e-mail me privately, later! Damian Nguyen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:38:57 -0400 From: Damian Subject: Tapes? Hey ya'll! Can anyone if they have free time, make me copies of any angelfood? I would be happy to pay for tapes and postage of course. If anyone does bother I wish them a big thanks! Later ya'll! Damian Nguyen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:37:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: NJC: Re: mad On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Nathan wrote: > Albert, you talk almost as much as I do! :) Well, I'd like to think I was more prolific. I'm not really much of a talker. ^_^; > I was not discrediting the value of body language. I was merely > stating that humans seek a certain asthetic in other humans. You > mentioned manner of dress, posture and gesture. (Actually, I wish > we had body language at our disposal right now. If we did, we > wouldn't be in disagreement.) I'll definitely agree with that. Gestures and tone of voice are huge contributor that is often left out of these electronic discussions. We're often just left with primitive smileys. :) > What I'm saying is, > you can approach someone because you found them captivating from > across a room. You can strive to get inside their head and heart, to > try their soul on, to truly connect with them. You can love them > with all your being and realize that you have found a piece of > yourself in them. I agree with you in principle but in practice it is far from anything that ideal unfortunately. I have found in my experience there are so many people looking for the idea of happiness and "being with someone" that they create illusory ideas about their situation that are no more than mental fiction. These are often spawned by needful things, desires for an idea of a relationship, that they put so much energy into this illusion that they can't ever let go. It's amazing how many bad relationships just keep on going because of this. Fortunately, not all such relationships end violently, but more of them do than they should, especially on the east coast. I have also found most disturbing that this kind of thing happens most often with people who are physically appealing in one form or another. It typically involves one partner transferring an idea of an ideal person on a person that they deem physical "perfect." This is why I urge people not to be caught up with illusions and to differentiate the idea of an ideal relationship with the reality of the person. A LOT of people in this world really are utterly and completely hung up with looks. Society is responsible for alot of this and the marketing strategies you see on TV. Other than maintenance and conscious physical fitness, the way you look on the most fundamental level is something you were never involved with. No choice was made by you at any stage to decide your genetics, the sculpting of your skeletal structure, muscle shape, color of eyes, skin tone , muscle strcture, and texture. This was all decided for you before you became conscious of this world. There is a decision of how to maintain it, but the basic structure, where all the cartilage goes, etc, was all decided without your approval. > But must it all be thrown away because what drew > you across the room so long ago was how they looked? Loaded question. Reality is never that simple. You would be amazed how many relationships start out that way and end in divorce or worse. Our society is driven to emphasize the importance of looks. One of the reasons the divorce rates are so high is because the partners never figure out who the person they supposedly love really is, or really don't take the time. Think about that fact. It's like one big masquerade out there at times and people fill in the blanks with their imaginations which only sets up illusions about who people really are. So your question needs to be framed in a space and a time, today's society. Everyone will have their own criteria of what they're looking for. They are free to choose to just worry about looks, or they can choose which or whatever other criteria they want- that's their business. But my point is, if you're drawn so strongly by the way a person looks and you're not considering anything else, what is it you're really looking for? People will see ONLY what they're looking for, so what ARE you really looking for? We have creative imaginations and we can throw up all kinds of illusions about someone we're enamored with. This is not to attack anyone who just focuses in on looks early on, but it's something to think about I think. In that moment, what is it you really want? > If you did > throw it away wouldn't that be as shallow and superficial as only > being interested in them for their appearance? Well this question is a bit absurd to me since it's like comparing apples to oranges. Genetic appearance is fixed, it's something you're born with- there's no negotiation, no checklist to sign off, no mechanic to call. It also gives you no indication at all who a person is. Maybe this is something that a lot of the people have a problem understanding. The only thing that is truly that person is what it is that lies in their hearts and souls. These are the only true things that the individual has control over. A person's experiences, decisions, mannerisms, temperament, emotionality, intelligence, wit, etc are things that the individual chooses to be each and every day. These are the things they really are. It is all they are. Let me pose for you a theoretical dilemma: If we lived in a futuristic world where the brain of a person could be transplanted into any cyborg body of their design, choice, and specification, and everyone in this world was a cyborg, would the physical form mean anything to you? Would it draw you to someone if you knew the body was replaceable, changeable on a whim? Would superficial attraction have any meaning at all? If your answer is no, then why does it hold such importance to so many people now? Maybe it's just me who believes that the shell is meaningless. Make no mistake that it's very very necessary for survival (duh!) but in terms of deciding WHO a person is, it's absolutely positively meaningless except as an evaluation of sex-appeal, something that is indeed built primally in every mammal. So it's very much a primal thing for reproduction (and hence for selling products on TV), but as an evaluative tool to determine who a person is, absolutely useless. > As for my personal situation, I do not maintain my relationship with > my current partner because of her looks. After two years, it's > really quite irrelevant, though I take no shame in saying that I find > her as physically attractive now as when we first met. Is she the > most beautiful woman in the world? Probably not. But is anyone as > beautiful as her to me? No. Then that's all that matters. :) > Whoops! I find her attractive, > I'd better call it off. To quote Mindy: "Silly puppy!" :) > So no, looks are not everything, and it may surprise you to hear > that I believe a person's inner being is. Well, it's good to hear you say that. :) ;) Albert Wang Dark Seraph bahamude@user1.channel1.com Jewel Quotes and QTs http://hugse1.harvard.edu/~wangal/jewel.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:42:13 -0400 From: Alexander Subject: Re: the cookie thing julie wrote: > Hey all, > Don't know if you saw the cookie recipe or not, but I have heard this > same story over and over since I was 9. Only when I was 9, it was Mrs. > Field's and it was my uncle's fiance's story. Recently I heard it again > and it was some other big bakery chain. Now it's Neiman Marcus. And > guess what? It's the same exact cookie recipe every time. Hmmmm. > However, my brother made the cookies 11 years ago, and they were > delicious. So don't let the questionable validity of the message keep > you from having a gastronomically good time. > Love, > Jules ok, and i was the only stupid person to think it was true... well, maybe ont the exact figures, but... i believed... :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:54:53 -0400 From: Chris Phillips Subject: Re: Fiona Apple and others julie wrote: > > Thanks everybody who answered me about the D.C. Lilith Fair, but now my > question is, are all of Fiona Apple's music like the one I've heard, > Sleep to Dream(?)? I know a lot of you on the list highly recommend > her, and I kind of like that song, but I think that after I've heard it > another five times, that repetitive beat is going to annoy me. So could > ya'll compare her other music to someone else, or is it all the same? > Jules > > Oh, and can you guys tell me what you think of Abra Moore and Once > Blue? What do they sound like? Fiona is AWESOME. You'd love her. Her music is so beautiful. Most of her songs are in that same vein as STD but don't have that repetitive rhythm to them. They are all centered around her & the piano basically. If you even like STD a little or "SHadowboxer" (which in my opinion is one of the worst (not bad but in comparison to everything else on the album---not as good) songs) then you'd love her. She has that deep sultry voice that could turn any fire to ice. My faves are "The First Taste" & "Never Is A Promise." TFT is hard to describe but NIAP is Fiona & the piano basically & I'm sure all those who have the album agree that it is THE Most beautful song on the album (if not of all time). On a side note...Fiona is going to have an MTV Unplugged aired on July 29...the same evening as the DC LF. Once Blue is pretty good. I don't know much about them other than they have a song on the Mr. Wrong soundtrack that I have. Abra Moore is pretty good too. I have her cd, STRANGEST PLACES. She's pretty "poppy." You may have heard one of her songs, "Four Leaf Clover" on the radio. She used to be the lead singer for the band, Poi Dog Pondering. She reminds me a little of Danielle Brisebois (if you know her?...if that's who I'm thinking of?) ALl of the songs on her album are pretty strong & could likely do well as singles. Hope I helped Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:21:22 -0700 From: "Mandy Pop Ali" Subject: NJC: Bloodhound Gang and the ROAR tour. OK, guys this is total NJC, but I HAD to share my news of today with SOMEONE or I would burst. I know people get mad about this kind of post, but its easy to delete this message right now. I just had the *BEST* day. As you may have noticed, my post's come up under the name "Mandy Pop Ali". This is due to the singer of one of my FAVORITE bands, the Bloodhound Gang, his name is Jimmy Pop Ali. Well, I've been waiting a LONG time for them to come to Pittsburgh and they FINALLY did today! It all started by first going to Taco Bell, then getting to the venue and not having to pay for parking. We had to wait like an hour to get in, but once we did, we got right in the front of the stage. I got a Bloodhound Gang shirt, hoping to be able to get the guys to sign it. To make a long story short, I ended up getting to meet ALL five of the guys, including Jimmy Pop Ali. I was interviewed by the local tv station for the eleven o'clock news, I was front and center for the show and made lots of eye contact with the guys. I got my picture taken for in the local newspaper AND I got my picture taken with Jimmy Pop as we were leaving. He told me they were coming back around Christmas!! SO, i'm so excited. I just love those guys! You should all check them out, just as long as you don't get offended by sexual lyrics and pretty immature songs. (they write like Adam Sandler does). But, stay away from Jimmy Pop, I'm going to marry him!! Love, Mandy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:42:59 -0400 From: Garrett Fabian Subject: SLAMM: Mizz Beak needs Prozac Wow. That was a terrible article. Partly because it was so negative about *everything*, but mostly because it would have gotten a "D" in any English/journalism/communication class. What the hell was the main point? There was no structure! It was just the disjointed ravings of a pissed off, braless, feminazi trying to make herself feel big by tearing others down. Pissed off because Jewel has large mamory glands and shaves her armpits, and (I suppose rightfully) pissed at guys who can't see anything in Jewel besides the aforementioned glands. Everyone's entiled to their opinions, but they should at least be put in some understandable form so others can figure out what those opinions are ;) I think that's why there's been so much fuss over this article--because none of us are sure what Ms. Beak is really trying to say. Well, that's my two cents on this thread. - --Garrett "Why is it you put your two cents in, but it's a penny for your thoughts? Someone's makin' a penny..." - --Steven Wright ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:49:07 -0400 From: rickbond Subject: NJC: no this isn't necessary, but does it hurt? Albert Sze-Wei Wang wrote: > > What I'm saying is, > > you can approach someone because you found them captivating from > > across a room. You can strive to get inside their head and heart, > to > > try their soul on, to truly connect with them. You can love them > > with all your being and realize that you have found a piece of > > yourself in them. You two are getting WAY too deep for me to handle, and it's scaring me. :) > No > choice was made by you at any stage to decide your genetics, the > sculpting > of your skeletal structure, muscle shape, color of eyes, skin tone , > muscle strcture, and texture. This was all decided for you before you > > became conscious of this world. Yes, but you can have that all changed now-a-days. Take Care Rick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 21:58:30 -0400 (EDT) From: JoyceLslie@aol.com Subject: quick question about Jewel Hey, I had read that Jewel was once in a rap group.. I was just wondering if this was true or not, and I figured this was the best place to ask! Thanx Angels, LizE ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #427 ***************************