From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #330 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Sunday, May 4 1997 Volume 02 : Number 330 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC: Trust [EFraser311@aol.com] Re: Can of worms..... [BeefJerky ] Re: NJC: AngelFood, NOT Fast Food! [BeefJerky ] Re: NJC: still religion, specifically, the ten commandments [BeefJerky ] Re: NJC: AngelFood, NOT Fast Food! [John Kaminar ] NJC: Losing Mediocrity Contests Can be a Good Thing! [Harrisbros@aol.com] Re: All By Myself [Chopped Liver ] Re: All By Myself [BeefJerky ] Re: NJC: AngelFood, NOT Fast Food! [Harrisbros@aol.com] Re: NJC: AngelFood, NOT Fast Food! [kim.eponine.r@juno.com (Kim R Ries)] Re: NJC: Trust [Albert Sze-Wei Wang ] Re: NJC: Paula Cole on Modern Rock Live [sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the ] Re: Spice girls BEAT Jewel [sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Ange] Re: Spice girls BEAT Jewel [sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Ange] NJC: Moveing [NSCLI4663@ALPHA.NSULA.EDU] Re: Losing Mediocrity Contests Can be a Good Thing! ["Shaun" ] So tell me (JE) what you want what you really, really want! =) [John-Eric] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 02:07:36 -0400 (EDT) From: EFraser311@aol.com Subject: NJC: Trust Hi angels, I have not been able to get to sleep tonight because I can't get this subject of trust off my mind, and all these thoughts on it off my mind, so I figure getting it out of my system might help. Here goes my whole thing on trust... Trust is such a strange thing. You can only have so much of it. That capacity can grow and shrink with experiences and depending on experiences. Some people demand a given amount of trust from you, but often do not receive it. And others ask for none at all, and yet they get a world of trust from you. Some deserve it, some don't. More often they don't, and we always end up trusting the ones that don't. It's funny how it works out that way. Eventually our trust is betrayed so much to a point where we begin to build a wall. This wall gets taller and taller and stronger and stronger with each betrayal, and soon we let no one in. Someone comes along, finally, who deserves that trust, and we have a hard time giving it to them. We may wonder if it is our fault, but it's not. The wall is our past, with each brick representing a situation of betrayal, and so we only have our past mistakes to blame. Thank you for allowing me to vent. I feel so much better now. Good night angels-- Ali :-) "So often our dreams become our hobbies and it deadens our passions."--Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 01:11:24 -0500 From: BeefJerky Subject: Re: Can of worms..... well, in the previous posts they were talking about *My God*,as you put it. and many religions believe in the same God though they call them different names! If you don't believe in *my God* that's fine and your right, and, no *my God* wouldn't dictate you in that case, but I'm sure that if they believe in a different God that there are gonna be rules and "not killing" seems to be a very popular one, and for atheists and agnostics, then they have no one to dictate their lives (well, except for the leaders of their country), in which case I just hope they use good sense! --BeefJerky At 10:48 AM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >>Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 20:51:08 -0500 >>From: BeefJerky >>Subject: Re: jewel-digest V2 #317 >> >>I don't think you get the point in the previous post. God has NOT given us >>the right to decide who lives and dies (NO EXCEPTIONS). Yes, people do it, >>but it is against God's will. One of the Ten Commandments DOES state "Thou >>shalt not kill" God wrote that for good reasons and I take it seriously! > >Hate to open a can of worms... but what about people that don't believe in >*your* god... should they allow *your God* to dictate what they do with >their lives? > >I personally don't think so....... > >Just my .02 cents naturally... > >Allan > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 01:11:28 -0500 From: BeefJerky Subject: Re: NJC: AngelFood, NOT Fast Food! Nothing personal, but I do think you exaggerate a bit. Yes, high-speed dubbing will lose some quality, but not near as much as you's guys(tm) make it sound. You may start to notice some loss of quality after about 3-5 high speed dubs, but not before then, they really don't lose that much quality...just thought I'd clear things up a bit, and yes, I am an audiophile, techie guy who spends all their free time working with audio/video and computers, so I DO know what I'm talking about! And guess what, I just got a new special effects generator yesterday, it's kewl! You can make the picture look pretty weird and kewl! --BeefJerky At 09:06 AM 5/3/97 -0400, you wrote: >***Craig posted: >>>I'm still looking for the address of the Jewelstock J-cards and Jewel Rocks > >the Paradise if anyone has it.<< > >That would be me, Craig. I've already received many requests for these, >and well, I guess I'll receive even more now. ;-) > >***Julie posted the following, which made me cringe and then begin to >shake uncontrollably: >>>I've been recordin angel food for list members, and I have it on the speed >dubbing thing, so it sounds like Alvin of the Chipmunks instead of Jewel<< > >Arrrrggghhhh! No Julie, BAD Julie! > >Never high speed dub AngelFood -- that's blasphemy! ;-) > >Folks, always use at least better quality tapes (the list standard is >Maxell XL II) and NEVER NEVER NEVER dub with high speed dubbing. Don't go >there, that's a shortcut that you just shouldn't take! Make fewer dubs >for fewer people if you have to, but only do them normal speed. We've had >EXTENSIVE discussions on the list about this before, and I'm sure all the >audiophile techie types will support my ranting... > >So don't use high speed dubbing, 'cause the angel you're doing the favor >for will get an inferior recording, and then make another dub from the >poor copy, and so on, and so on... pretty soon we lose Jewel, our batty >little Yodel-Honey (tm), and end up with Alvin, the batty little >Yodel-Varmint (tm)... > >* shudder * > > >-- Dennis (I like my Jewels the way they are, thank you) Harris > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 01:11:25 -0500 From: BeefJerky Subject: Re: NJC: still religion, specifically, the ten commandments interesting...according to the "new" bible it simply says that He carved them in stone, and that it says thou shalt not kill, and I'm guessing its don't kill anyone unless God specifically tells you to do it. At 02:21 PM 5/2/97 -0400, you wrote: >> One of the Ten Commandments DOES state "Thou shalt not kill" > >Actually, my Religion professor, who is a pastor, told us that the >original bible (if there IS such a thing as 'the original bible') said, >"Thou shalt not kill *another Hebrew*." > Otherwise, how do you think the Hebrews got away with killing all those >Babylonians, and whoever else? What about that time God told them to kill >EVERYONE in the town they had conquered and destroy all the stuff? > How do you think the church condoned holy wars? > >Bless and Be Blessed; spread the Love! > Christina ^ ^ > ( \ / ) > (_ \*/ _) > (_ O _) > ( s| > < |s ) > ( / \ ) > (/ / \ \) > /angel\ > --------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 02:28:31 -0400 (EDT) From: gegertha@tiac.net (Chris Snyder) Subject: Congratulations on JPK trust and a message Hi Angels I want to applaud everyone for the great job we have been doing concerning the fundraising for the JPK trust. To Crunch for all the details, Gerrit for the wonderful page, Liz for the accounting, Igor for the raffle, and everyone else who has been involved. It's amazing to see what this list can do when we all come together. My only concern is, in a situation like this with many people concentrating on one thing, it is very easy to fall into a pattern of tunnel vision. What I mean is, it is very easy to overlook things or people around you that can also use help. I am in no means saying that you shouldn't donate to the JPK trust (I'm sending my check) I just want to make sure that people, in addition to a special donation, do what they can in their daily lives. As it says in the musical Hair "How can people have no feelings, how can they ignore their friends. Easy to be proud, easy to say no. Especially people who care about strangers who care about evil and social injustice do you only care about the bleeding crowd how about a needing friend, I need a friend" This may seem kind of harsh but this is how many people feel, especially when you feel that you are all alone. Just remember ONE person CAN make a DIFFERENCE. Please read the stories below for some examples. One At A Time A friend of ours was walking down a deserted Mexican beach at sunset. As he walked along, he began to see another man in the distance. As he grew nearer, he noticed that the local native kept leaning down, picking something up and throwing it out into the water. Time and again he kept hurling things out into the ocean. As our friend approached even closer, he noticed that the man was picking up starfish that he had been washed up on the beach and, one at a time, he was throwing them back into the water. Our friend was puzzled. He approached the man and said, "Good evening, friend. I was wondering what you are doing." "I'm throwing these starfish back into the ocean. You see, it's low tide right now and all of these starfish have been washed up onto the shore. If I don't throw them back into the sea, they'll die up here from lack of oxygen." "I understand," my friend replied, "but there must be thousands of starfish on this beach. You can't possibly get to all of them. There are simply too many. And don't you realize this is probably happening on hundereds of beaches all up and down this coast. Can't you see that you can't possibly make a difference?" The local native smiled, bent down and picked up yet another starfish, and as he threw it back into the sea, he replied, "Made a difference to thet one!" Jack Canfield and Mark V. Hansen Who You Are Makes A Difference A teacher in New York decided to honor each of her seniors in high school by telling them the difference they each made. Using a process developed by Helice Bridges of Del Mar, California, she called each student to the front of the class, one at a time. First she told them how the student had made a difference to her and the class. Then she presented each of them each of them with a blue ribbon imprinted with gold letters which read, "Who I Am Makes A Difference." Afterwards the teacher decided to do a class project to see what kind of impact recognition would have on a community. She gave each of the students three more ribbons and instructed them to go out and spread this acknowledgment ceremony. Then they were to follow up on the results, see who honored whom and report back to the class in about a week. One of the boys in the class went to a junior work executive in a nearby company and honored him for helping him with his career planning. He gave him a blue ribbon and put it on his shirt. Then he gave him two extra ribbons, and said, "Were doing a class project on recognition and we'd like you to go out, find somebody to honor, give them a blue ribbion, then give them the extra blue ribbion so they can acknowledge a third person to keep this acknowledgement ceremoney going. Then please report back to me and tell me what happened." Later that day the junior executive went in to see his boss, who had been noted, by the way, as being kind of a grouchy fellow. He sat his boss down and he told him that he deeply admired him for being a creative genius. The boss seemed very suprised. The junior executive asked him if he would accept the gift of the blue ribbon and would give him permission to put it on him. His suprised boss said, "Well, sure." The junior executive took the blue ribbon and placed it right on his boss's jacket above his heart. As he gave him the last extra ribbon, he said, "Would you do me a favor? Would you take this extra ribbon and pass it on by honoring somebody else? The young boy who first gave me the ribbons is doing a project in school and we want to keep this recognition ceremony going and find out how it affects people." That night the boss came home to his 14-year-old son and sat him down. He said, "The most incredible thing happened to me today. I was in my office and one of the junior executives came in and told me he admired me and gave me a blue ribbon for being a creative genius. Imagine. He thinks I'm a creative genius. Then he put this blue ribbon whcich says, 'Who I am makes a difference' on my jacket above my heart. He gave me an extra ribbon and asked me to find somebody else to honor. As I was driving home tonight, I started thinking about whom I would honor with this ribbon and I thought about you. I want to honor you." "My days are really hectic and when I come home I don't pay a lot of attention to you. Sometimes I scream at you for not getting goods enough grades in school and for your bedroom being a mess, but somehow tonight, I just wanted to sit here and, well just let you know that you do make a difference to me. Besides you mother, you are the most important person in my life. Your a great kid and I love you!" The startled boy started to sob and sob, and he couldn't stop crying. His whole body shook. He looked up at his father and said through his tears, "I was planning on commiting suicide tomorrow, Dad, because I didn't think you loved me. Now I don't need to." Helice Bridges ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 02:27:18 -0400 From: John Fisher <2fishnet@concentric.net> Subject: Re: NJC: GOSH! That Little Voice Inside Your Head wrote: > > Gosh, chill you guys....she's just a FISH! heehee! > > Love, > > Lora > > Hey!! Watch it. Now you're getting personal... Speaking for my spawn, Fish ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 97 23:41:46 -0800 From: John Kaminar Subject: Re: NJC: AngelFood, NOT Fast Food! It is my impression that these piece of Angel food are copied and passed around quite often, thus the 3-5 high speeds dubs barrier might be reached rather quickly. Thus the advice given earlier, might be a good piece of advice to follow, even if "second" generation tape does not lose much quality... no? - -john >Nothing personal, but I do think you exaggerate a bit. Yes, high-speed >dubbing will lose some quality, but not near as much as you's guys(tm) make >it sound. You may start to notice some loss of quality after about 3-5 high >speed dubs, but not before then, they really don't lose that much >quality...just thought I'd clear things up a bit, and yes, I am an >audiophile, techie guy who spends all their free time working with >audio/video and computers, so I DO know what I'm talking about! And guess >what, I just got a new special effects generator yesterday, it's kewl! You >can make the picture look pretty weird and kewl! > > --BeefJerky - -------------------------------------------------------------------- visit my pages, dedicated to scribbles, scratches and vibrations, and those individuals responsible for the most beautiful of them: http://www2.mousehouse.com/rejoyce/riverrun.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 02:49:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Harrisbros@aol.com Subject: NJC: Losing Mediocrity Contests Can be a Good Thing! Well, for the 20th time in the past year, someone had to rant that Jewel got "beat" in some meaningless poll taken of some folks whose musical tastes largely change with the "flavor of the week"... Then we get to read 20 standard replies to the rant. Then we hear cries of "For God's Sake, Can This Ranting Please Stop, I Can't Hear My Jewel Tapes!" Hey, Jewel fans who know her work (not just the POY cd) don't need to get upset when public opinion goes AGAINST her. Heck, that's a GOOD sign...it means she's doing what her heart and creative side tells her, not what the record label PR folks are recommending. If Jewel ever wins three public opinion polls in a row, I say we are in trouble, and her career has hit a wall. Americans like things fast, cheap and trendy -- and Jewel is none of those. Jewel's brief brush with being "trendy" is simply America stumbling across her. The majority of the public will lose interest and succumb to it's short attention span when the next "Sugar 'n Spice Girls" act comes along. Then Jewel will have time to write more of those clever lyrics, and floor us with her incredible live performances. Once this fickle wave of public adoration passes, she can release all that great music we have on AngelFood tapes (Jewel's best stuff that the public has no clue of). That's what is holding up album number two right now...the milking of POY. And you don't have to defend Jewel at every corner, and knock her "competition", cause she does just fine for herself, thank-you. There's a place for all types of music (and musical acts...and in some cases, animal acts!). Variety is the "spice" of life, you might say! I'm sure many of the folks on this list now don't care for Bob Dylan or Neil Young either, but Jewel seems to think highly of their music. (I know I always have.) Expand your horizons -- be open minded. And just 'cause the type of music doesn't appeal to you, the group performing it doesn't necessarily "suck"... Now if you LIKE the type of music an act performs, and then you think they "suck"...well, maybe they do. Just don't condemn a performer cause you don't care for the TYPE of music they perform. It could very well be a lack of understanding or simple close-mindedness on your part. Then I guess the real problem would be yours... Maybe you're a lousy type "X" music fan! For instance, I don't know my *ss from my elbow when it comes to opera -- I just know it's time to go get the car when the fat lady sings. Now, if you want to say that a particular group appears to be the result of an artificially concocted marketing ploy to throw five minimally talented, wannabe bimbos with silly "Power Ranger nicknames" in front of the camera in order to sell a one-shot album and a quick tour before the public realizes they've been had, well... THAT would be an objective statement! =) Now, back to that batty little Yodel-Honey (tm) from Alaska. You know, the one with the incredible voice and positive message? - -- Dennis Harris (Remember that call-in music polls are simply commercials where folks go out of their way to be unpaid participants (and sometimes even pay for the chance to vote)...if you enjoy doing it, fine -- just don't overestimate their importance at any other level) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 01:05:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Chopped Liver Subject: Re: All By Myself On Sat, 3 May 1997, Vivian Song wrote: > I recently noticed that one of Jewel's songs, All by myself, is in > Clueless. Can I get a copy of this song? Is it recorded or will I have > to get a bootleg? Thanks Unfortunately , this is not available and probably won't be. It wasn't included on the sound track cd. Unless it's include on the Clueless 2 cd (and why would they put an old song on a new movie's soundtrack?) we'll probably never get to hear it. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 02:19:18 -0500 From: BeefJerky Subject: Re: All By Myself uh, lemme clarify, there making a second soundtrack for the same movie...there is not going to be a second movie... --BeefJerky At 01:05 AM 5/4/97 -0600, you wrote: >On Sat, 3 May 1997, Vivian Song wrote: > >> I recently noticed that one of Jewel's songs, All by myself, is in >> Clueless. Can I get a copy of this song? Is it recorded or will I have >> to get a bootleg? Thanks > >Unfortunately , this is not available and probably won't be. It wasn't >included on the sound track cd. Unless it's include on the Clueless 2 cd >(and why would they put an old song on a new movie's soundtrack?) we'll >probably never get to hear it. > >Chopped Liver (Charlie) >watkins@selway.umt.edu > >Share publicly, flame privately, >" 'Cause anyone can start a conflict >it's harder yet to disregard it ". > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 03:19:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Harrisbros@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: AngelFood, NOT Fast Food! ***Beef Jerky wrote in reply to my other plea NOT to high speed dub AngelFood for fellow EDAs: >Nothing personal, but I do think you exaggerate a bit. Yes, high-speed >dubbing will lose some quality, but not near as much as you's guys(tm) make >it sound. You may start to notice some loss of quality after about 3-5 high >speed dubs, but not before then, they really don't lose that much >quality...just thought I'd clear things up a bit, and yes, I am an >audiophile, techie guy who spends all their free time working with >audio/video and computers, so I DO know what I'm talking about! So anyone who dubs for you in the future might as well just automatically high speed dub your copy? ;-) Unfortunately, the folks who will normally high speed dub are also probably working from a third generation (leaf) copy already. All branch volunteers are specifically asked NOT to EVER high speed dub their leaf copies. These high speed dubbers may very well also be using a "boom box" instead of separate decks or a good double component deck. So that's two strikes, plus the high speed dubbing makes three, and if the dolby settings aren't set correctly, that's four... I don't know, I wouldn't take that many shortcuts on a friend's dub myself. (And I consider all EDAs as friends until proven otherwise.) Then if the EDA you dub for ever wants to make a copy from their tape, well... garbage in, garbage out. It'll sound like Jewel, but not like it should have sounded when you agreed to dub the tape for someone. Maybe I'm too picky, but why settle for poor when you can get better? **John then posted this: >>It is my impression that these piece of Angel food are copied and passed around quite often, thus the 3-5 high speeds dubs barrier might be reached rather quickly. Thus the advice given earlier, might be a good piece of advice to follow, even if "second" generation tape does not lose much quality... no?<< Exactly! Anyone high speed dubbing is most likely working from a third generation tape already (source, then master copy, then branch copy, then leaf copy...) Thus, you are simply needlessly "pruning" the quality of the tree back prematurely, and denying others the best possible sound quality. If you don't have the time to do it right, don't volunteer in the first place. 'nuff said. Seems like a no-brainer to me, anyway... - -- Dennis (not an audiophile techie, but it makes sense) Harris BTW, I don't "exaggerate a bit", I exaggerate a LOT! =) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 02:59:46 EDT From: kim.eponine.r@juno.com (Kim R Ries) Subject: Re: NJC: AngelFood, NOT Fast Food! On Sun, 04 May 1997 01:11:28 -0500 BeefJerky writes: > >Nothing personal, but I do think you exaggerate a bit. Yes, high-speed >dubbing will lose some quality, but not near as much as you's guys(tm) >make >it sound. You may start to notice some loss of quality after about 3-5 >high >speed dubs, but not before then, they really don't lose that much >quality...just thought I'd clear things up a bit, and yes, I am an >audiophile, techie guy who spends all their free time working with >audio/video and computers, so I DO know what I'm talking about! And >guess >what, I just got a new special effects generator yesterday, it's kewl! >You >can make the picture look pretty weird and kewl! > > --BeefJerky > It's just that the purpose of the tapes is to give you the best quality as possible that's why most people only allow tapes like Maxell X II S sinse it's one of the best tapes out there.. If you were allowed to do fast speed taping, it would eventually get down to being the 3 or 5 one and it's not fair to those people... Kim PS - my comment about the spice girls earlier was not because I was mad they beat Jewel. I just plain hate them and their singing... It's only MO and I know not all of you agree... I think of them as just one of those groups that have a momment of glory and then you never hear of them again... I used to like this kind of stuff too.. Yes I was a NKOTB fan when I was 9 years old.. :( ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 03:34:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: NJC: Trust On Sun, 4 May 1997 EFraser311@aol.com wrote: > Trust is such a strange thing. You can only have so much of it. That > capacity can grow and shrink with experiences and depending on experiences. > Some people demand a given amount of trust from you, but often do not > receive it. And others ask for none at all, and yet they get a world of > trust from you. Some deserve it, some don't. More often they don't, and we > always end up trusting the ones that don't. It's funny how it works out that > way. Eventually our trust is betrayed so much to a point where we begin to > build a wall. This wall gets taller and taller and stronger and stronger > with each betrayal, and soon we let no one in. Someone comes along, finally, > who deserves that trust, and we have a hard time giving it to them. We may > wonder if it is our fault, but it's not. The wall is our past, with each > brick representing a situation of betrayal, and so we only have our past > mistakes to blame. Perhaps the more interesting question to pose is the immediate follow up: How far do we take it? Can we really live in isolation, fearful of being hurt, of being betrayed again? How long can we last, afraid of everything, fearful of every person we meet? Do we extend this fear to the person scanning our groceries at the check out counter? Is everyone we meet then a potential threat? It has been said that if you were hated by everyone you'd be paranoid too. What is it that we really fear? Is it the act of betrayal, the pain afterwards that it might inflict, or is it our own self-loathing for just not seeing it? One of the biggest questions I've had to face in my own life is how do you know when to trust someone and when you know you can trust them? When I was young, I tried just about everything. I tried trusting everyone, but the people who really wanted to hurt you did. I tried trusting no one, but it left you in such isolation that it would eventually drive you mad with paranoia and fear. Where do you draw the line? I still remember a time in my life when I couldn't even trust my parents, or even myself. You lose your grip and view of the world if you can't ever trust yourself. You lose yourself to fear. Everything becomes a potential threat, and I can assure you, that's no way to live. And most of all, it's pretty heavy stuff for a 3rd grader. I did eventually find the answer I was looking for, but I'm not going to go into it, primarily because I don't entirely understand the event itself and it was very personal. What I can tell you with certainty without sounding crazy is that empathy has a great deal to do with it. You know who you can trust because you can see the world through their eyes. Until you learn to feel beyond yourself, you'll never know who to trust. It has been said that within the first moments of meeting a friend, you'll know them better then than an acquaintance you've known your entire life. And I can assure you from first hand experience that's absolutely true. There is something that clicks and it's a singular understanding from each other's viewpoint. I imagine it all sounds mystical to a degree, and in some ways it's like a third eye opening, but this is the only way I know how to explain it. Ask any two really good friends how they knew they were going to be really good friends, and the answer usually is, "I don't know, we just did." Well... there IS another way to explain it at least in my case, but then again my case was a lot more complicated than that- but my point is the first step is understanding yourself. Next is learning to understanding others. Once you begin to understand others via empathy through eyes not your own, you may begin to know who you can and can't trust. Never forget the lessons you learned in the past however, but don't dwell on the past. The past is done, you can't do anything about it. The only thing you need the past for is to help you set the baselines in the present. I know at least for me, since that one period of time in my past, I have had no problems knowing right away who I *can* trust and definitely *can't* trust. What's really fuzzy is for cases where you're not sure under which conditions an individual you normally can't trust, can be trusted. But it's by meeting people that you build the experience library to tune that in. I hope this makes sense in some convoluted sort of way. :) Albert Wang Dark Seraph bahamude@user1.channel1.com Jewel Quotes and QTs http://hugse1.harvard.edu/~wangal/jewel.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 03:30:28 EDT From: sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel) Subject: Re: NJC: Paula Cole on Modern Rock Live >Paula Cole will be appearing on Modern Rock Live, a nationwide radio >interview show, on Sun. May 4 at 10:30pm EST. She'll be answering questions >from phone calls, maybe one of them can be yours! The number is 1 - 800 - - >223 >- - 7625 :) For you L.A. EDAs, it'll be on y107 (107.1) at 7:30pm. Mark - --- Inside my heart there's an empty room. It's waiting for lightning; it's waiting for you. - --Jewel "Absense of Fear" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 03:30:28 EDT From: sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel) Subject: Re: Spice girls BEAT Jewel >Casey Hansen wrote: > >Its like this, Spice Girls will not be rememberd in 5 years. Jewel >will. Spice Girls have little nice poppy sound that fits in to life >now, but you won't see any for from these busty brits. Jewel will live >so much longer than the Spice Girls, its almost like, "Sure let them >win, give a little glory noe, gods knows they will never have it again!" I agree that Jewel will be remembered years from now, but saying that the Spice Girls won't be remembered is a little pre-mature. Who knows what the future holds? No Doubt came out with 2 albums before their smash-hit Tragic Kingdom. They have been together for 10 years and their first 2 records barely sold. Some said that they sucked, but now look at them. Things can change so quickly in people's lives. Just ask Jewel! The Wallflowers also didn't do too well on their first album, but their 2nd, Bringing Down the Horse, is great! The Spice Girls are young. Many new things to learn and experience. Don't count them out yet. Mark - --- Inside my heart there's an empty room. It's waiting for lightning; it's waiting for you. - --Jewel "Absense of Fear" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 03:30:28 EDT From: sparksmark@juno.com (Sparks the Everyday Angel) Subject: Re: Spice girls BEAT Jewel >MandyP311@aol.com wrote: > >OK people, I love you all, but I am a little upset, not because I am a Spice >Girls fan(I am) but because you should show a little respect for others in >this list and for other groups of people. >Regardless of your opinions, I think the spice girls are cool, if you hate >them, thats fine. I quote >" I don't know what kind or where to find those SUCKY spice girls fans and >don't want to" >Okay, thats where I get my problem, there are a lot of people on this list >who may or may night like the spice girls so dont trash on them. When you >say >what kind of spice girl fans their are. I am a spice girls fan and i am also >one of you, an everyday angel! You can find a fan right here. I love Jewel >more than i love the spice girls but you have to face it everybody has to >come down from the top once. Jewel can not be at the top forever so face it. >And try not to insult your fellow edas! I totally agree with this. We shouldn't be bagging on other groups and artists, and especially their fans. Just because you don't think they're good, doesn't mean they suck. EDAs also like other music. It's not like every EDA *only* likes Jewel. And there's a good chance that there are several EDAs that like the Spice Girls too. Then, you come out saying "I don't know what kind or where to find those SUCKY spice girls fans and don't want to", when you've probably already met some of them on the list. Does your opinion about them change because they like a "sucky" group? Mark - --- Inside my heart there's an empty room. It's waiting for lightning; it's waiting for you. - --Jewel "Absense of Fear" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 02:44:09 -0600 (CST) From: NSCLI4663@ALPHA.NSULA.EDU Subject: NJC: Moveing Hey all...I am moveing back to Alaska (as I think I already posted but I am not sure) Anyway I will be haveing a 2 hour layover in Denver and a three hour layover in Seattle on the 28th of May. To save me from sheer and utter boerdom I would love to meet some of you. If you want times and such just Email me and ask and maby we can all hook up. Later mes ami "I went to the woods to live deleberately..." Rev. Jason Odin-Carver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 01:20:04 -0700 From: "Shaun" Subject: Re: Losing Mediocrity Contests Can be a Good Thing! > Hey, Jewel fans who know her work (not just the POY cd) don't need to get > upset when public opinion goes AGAINST her. Heck, that's a GOOD sign...it > means she's doing what her heart and creative side tells her, not what > the record label PR folks are recommending. If Jewel ever wins three > public opinion polls in a row, I say we are in trouble, I have to disagree (with a Harris Bro? What am I thinking?!?!) WE all know that Jewel will never sell out and go with whatever the latest sound just to sell more records, like some people do. So that means if Jewel wins 3 public opinion polls in a row, it means people are actually starting to realize just how incredible she is, and love her music like they all should. I am a firm beliver in the theory that if everyone listened to Jewel then the world would be a better place. (The original theory also involved everyone being on the list, too, but I had to change that part. People complain about too much mail now...) So if everyone's listening to her music then everyone becomes a better person and we'll all be real happy. La la la la la la la. It would be good, see. Uh, that's all. - --Shaun P.S. Oh, yeah, and "God damn ye, Harris Brothers" Hehehe. I juslistened to my Jewelstock tpes all the though for the first time, so I'm just full of quotes. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 04:20:03 -0400 From: Crunch Subject: NJC: Trust is a Gift =) Trust, like love, is a gift. It can only be given, never taken away. A gift is something that is given without ANY expectations of return. When one gives a gift, it is given because that person wishes for another person to have it, and never thinks nor expects that a gift will be given back. =) Once a gift is given, it is the sole property of the reciever. If the reciever abuses the gift, he/she abuses part of him/herself, not part of the the giver. You see, once a gift is given, it becomes the responsibilty of the reciever, and a reflection of his/her insight. EFraser311@aol.com wrote: > Trust is such a strange thing. You can only have so much of it. That > capacity can grow and shrink with experiences and depending on experiences. =) One's capacity to trust is a direct choice of that person. You can choose to give, or not give. > ...... It's funny how it works out that > way. Eventually our trust is betrayed so much to a point where we begin to > build a wall. This wall gets taller and taller and stronger and stronger > with each betrayal, and soon we let no one in. =( Again, a choice. > Someone comes along, finally, > who deserves that trust, and we have a hard time giving it to them. We may > wonder if it is our fault, but it's not. The wall is our past, with each > brick representing a situation of betrayal, and so we only have our past > mistakes to blame. =) Ali, you are quoting others' misuse of your gift as your mistake. They chose to abuse it. That was their mistake, not yours! You can feel sympathy for their selfishness, but you should not take on their pain. =) I find that everytime that someone betrays me, it hurts me that they are so unkind to themselves. I can't understand, but I can sympathise. However, I set out to look for another person to give that gift to, because I like to give gifts, it makes me happy. What people choose to do with my gifts has no bearing on that happiness. =) Make a choice to give freely, expect nothing. Life WILL give back, that I do promise you! =) Crunch! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 01:52:15 -0700 From: John-Eric Subject: So tell me (JE) what you want what you really, really want! =) Some of you who I have had the pleasure of meeting already know that I am a huge Spice Girls fan. =) Here is their current discography (which I have) and some bio. info. about my Spicers. They are a fun group of girls with lots of charm (check out their Rolling Stone interview or their Spin cover) and lots of SPICE! =) Before you knock them down, why don't you listen to a fair sampling of their music first? In fact, I'LL MAKE YOU A FREE TAPE OF THEIR BEST SONGS so you can see why I like them. =) Just write back if you'd like a copy. =) -- JE (spreading the Spice around) **Spice Girls** Victoria (Posh Spice): short brown hair, sexy black dress, bad singer (mostly out of the spotlight when it comes to solos), according to British tabloids Vicotoria is really a man (also the Spice Girl that Stinky thinks is fine). Emma (Baby/Sweet Spice): the youngest Spice Girl (18), blonde hair, pink is her color, she is just so cute and has a sweet voice that adds to her charm. =) Mel C. (Sporty Spice): soccer is her favorite sport, dons soccer apparel, the one doing a back flip in the ::Wannabe:: video, has a soothing sultry voice. Geri (Sexi Spice): red hair, very outgoing personality, very good singer, very short dresses and very closely cropped necklines. Mel B. (Scary Spice): army apparel, frizzy black hair, tongue pierce, the "tough" Spice. The Spice Girls write all of their songs and perform them well. They are huge in Germany and the UK and made their US debut singing ::Wannabe:: and ::Say You'll Be There:: on Saturday Night Live a couple weeks ago (they were very nervous and did not sing their best but I have seen them in UK bars on MTV interviews and they sing like angels when they are comfortable). =) ::Wannabe:: Euro single 1. Wannabe (radio edit) 2. Bumper to Bumper 3. Wannabe (vocal slam) ::Say You'll Be There:: Euro single 1. Say You'll Be There (single mix) 2. Take Me Home 3. Say You'll Be There (Junior's main pass) 4. Say You'll Be There (instrumental) ::2 Become 1:: Euro single 1. 2 Become 1 (single version) 2. 2 Become 1 (orchestral version) 3. One of These Girls 4. Wannabe (Junior Vasquez remix edit) ::Mama/Who Do You Think You Are:: Euro single 1. Mama (radio version) 2. Who Do You Think You Are (radio version) 3. Baby Come Round 4. Mama (Biffco mix) ::Who Do You Think You Are/Mama:: Euro single 1. Who Do You Think You Are (radio version) 2. Mama (radio version) 3. Who Do You Think You Are (Morales club mix) 4. Who Do You Think You Are (Morales dub mix) ::Wannabe:: US domestic single 1. Wannabe (single edit) 2. Bumper to Bumper ::Spice:: debut album 1. Wannabe 2. Say You'll Be There 3. 2 Become 1 4. Love Thing 5. Last Time Lover 6. Mama 7. Who Do You Think You Are 8. Something Kinda Funny 9. Naked 10. If U Can't Dance =) =) =) =) =) ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #330 ***************************