From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #301 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Friday, April 25 1997 Volume 02 : Number 301 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Cereals [Brian Day ] Albert Hall concert [Myles MacRae ] pardon the "me too" post, but... [Scott Hamilton ] Re: The Jewel idolatry thingy [Albert Sze-Wei Wang ] re:x-files multivolte [steel@cybertap.com (Roy Conlin)] Jewel in Germany [mmillerick@vms1.cc.uop.edu] cynics can learn to be considerate, too [howenow@imagen.net (Adrian Duple] Re: See Jewel on her birthday! [Rael ] Re: jewel-digest V2 #300 ["Andrew Watson" ] Re: cynics can learn to be considerate, too [elvis ] positive connotations/definitions of cult as well as negative -- the mistake is in generalizing [howenow@ima] Re: Newbie [Brian Stamm ] Rolling Stone Cover ["Timothy Paul Mccormick Jr" ] JC: NOT CHEATING [Andrew Chandler ] Re: See Jewel on her birthday! [Casey Hansen ] Re: See Jewel on her birthday! [luna ] NO DOUBT [Andrew Chandler ] Re: joey lauren adams [kim.eponine.r@juno.com (Kim R Ries)] MrBB--THE EDAF EXPLAINED, Duffstock & other rumors...... [ABershaw@aol.co] Tour book mailing status update [ABershaw@aol.com] response to the jewel idolatry thing ["June A. Weller" ] Re: I think we do IDOLIZE! [Andrew Chandler ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:59:51 -0400 From: Brian Day Subject: RE: Cereals - ---------- From: Tien Dang[SMTP:tdang2@Bayou.UH.EDU] Sent: Friday, April 25, 1997 4:19 AM To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: NJC: Cereals >It's been a long...long time since I actually eaten this, but when I = was >put the first spoonful of it in my mouth, I was reminded how bad Grape >Nuts tasted. Grape Nuts tastes like dog food!!!!!!!, not that I know = what >dog food tastes like, okay......okay I confess I've eaten a dog biscuit >here and there. I like the ones with..... *kidding,kidding* heheh :) = Well >Grape Nuts Cereal is awful isn't it? Take care EDAs and have a nice >day!!!!!!! HEY! I just ate a huge bowl of that stuff like five minutes ago.... They = aren't the best but the energy you get from them if you eat them = consistently is overwhelming..... and hey, I've eaten all sorts of dog = biscuits too. =3D) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:02:08 +0100 From: Myles MacRae Subject: Albert Hall concert I am going to the Albert Hall concert tonight (The one where Jewel is supporting Johnny Cash). The ticket cost me #18.50!! (Around $30) Anyway. Expect a report of it all at some point tomorrow. Myles MacRae Imperial College London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:04:57 -0700 From: Scott Hamilton Subject: pardon the "me too" post, but... hello, boys and girls: i really, really hate "me too" posts, but i can't help myself here. when andrew wrote: > It is nice that you warn us but you better have your lawyers ready! You > can get in big trouble for posting peoples names and addresses and for > saying they cheat people. he took the words right out of my mouth. my wife's an attorney, and i can assure you that andrew is dead on. i know it happens, but that doesn't make it right--no more than the original act of failing to come through with a trade. besides, it's so freakin' petty, don't you think? i doubt anyone who posts these things does so out of concern for other traders. moreover, they do it for the same reason we put murderers to death--merely to seek revenge. oops, that's another can of worms. but be careful, folks, hunh? crawling back under my rock, scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:13:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: The Jewel idolatry thingy On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Albert Sze-Wei Wang wrote: In the off chance anyone cares and was actually READING what I wrote, I have a quick correction: :) > > "Songs of Innocence and Experience" until you get to college and the > > really cool stuff) even uses angels as an oppressive image. > > Well, religion uses angels and icons for their own purposes. That's what > you get when you take things at face value and ask questions or feel you > have a right to exercise free thought. This should say: Well, religions use angels and icons for their own purposes. That's what you get when you take things at first value and DON'T ask questions or feel you DON'T have a right to exercise free thought, or even don't know what it is. Albert Wang Dark Seraph bahamude@user1.channel1.com Jewel Quotes and QTs http://hugse1.harvard.edu/~wangal/jewel.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:37:56 EDT From: paulglass@juno.com (Paul D. Glass) Subject: songs Jewel should cover Hey all, This is my first post to this list, but I wanted to get in and say something. I agree that Jewel doesn't need to do any cover songs but if she chose to do one, I'd love to hear her do "Angel from Montgomery" by John Prine. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Joelies@aol.com Subject: Re: Do NOT vote for Jewel for People magazine The most beautiful issue is not only for outward beauty but inward beauty. What's wrong with celebrating someone's beauty - inward OR outward. Why does everyone have to be so terribly P.C? We ALL like to look at good looking people. Don't even lie. - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Do NOT vote for Jewel for People magazine Date: 97-04-25 12:46:54 EDT From: Joelies To: wc81@ao.net The most beautiful issue is not only for outward beauty but inward beauty. What's wrong with celebrating someone's beauty - inward OR outward. Why does everyone have to be so terribly P.C? We ALL like to look at good looking people. Don't even lie. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:50:55 -0500 From: "Gianfranco Covello" Subject: Re: See Jewel on her birthday! > That is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard! What is Jewel going > to think of you If she sees you? She gonna think "Whoo this freak came > all the way from America becasue he is an obsessed insane person, its > time for me to completly exclude myself from these insane internet > people and stick to normal people" > > People, can Jewel have a personal life, can Jewel go anyware without us > following her thinking that she always like's it. She is not there for > our disposal, damn! > > Leave the poor gal alone sometimes, fans are one thing, but some of yall > are another! Ok, wow, this is one of the nicest posts i've read in awhile, who else thinks that John-Eric is pathetic, and that we are on a mission to go to all of Jewel's concerts that we can, hmm, going to a concert is kinda weird huh guys... hopefully the sarcasm was seen here :-) if i had the cash i would go see her, and take in the scenery as well, heck if i had money i'd do alot of things, including go see Jewel in foreign countries. so call me pathetic, i know you are :-) And just to set the record straight, John-Eric is one of the nicest people i have had the pleasure to speak with. :-) Gianfranco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) From: FabCAGal@aol.com Subject: Re: Rockfest To get tickets, simply purchase over $10 worth of merchandise at Blockbuster Music. Then you send in a form, which the only place I know of to get is Dallas...I am sure you can ask any Blockbuster.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:07:24 -0500 From: "Gianfranco Covello" Subject: Re: To the Mike guy Hi Sean, i really agree with some of your points but a few things caught me off gaurd.. >A few respect me and agree with what I say, most don't, most > dislike my brand of realism and prefer to keep on idolizing Jewel. ok, now why if someone disagrees with you it automatically brands them of idolizing Jewel? Just because they don't agree with you, you think that they idolize Jewel? >I am the truth bringer, the portrayer of reality on this list. And this kinda bothered me, i don't believe that you are the portrayer of reality, just the portrayer of your own reality :-) I agree with almost everything you say though Sean, you have very unique perspectives... hope you didn't take offence to this, just my opinion :-) Gianfranco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:12:52 -0700 From: steel@cybertap.com (Roy Conlin) Subject: re:x-files multivolte I just wanted to write to say that in my opionion that it is very wrong to assume that other people are voting many times and say it is wrong and then turn around and say we should do it...I for one have not voted but if I do I will be voting for Gillian Anderson. STEEL of the confussed about this one society ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:33:33 PST From: mmillerick@vms1.cc.uop.edu Subject: Jewel in Germany Is anyone as tempted as I am to take that very long flight to Germany??? The flight is about as much as would have cost to go to New York -- So I am seriously thinking about going .... Two questions >>>>>> 1. Is anyone else going? 2. Are tickets still available? Post to me privately if you would like>>>> Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:19:13 -0700 From: howenow@imagen.net (Adrian Duplessis) Subject: cynics can learn to be considerate, too It's likely inevitable, but, for whatever reason there's a few posters who voice cynical displeasure at how others on this list choose to enjoy their lives or appreciate Jewel. That's their prerogative -- although as someone else has pointed out, if it's so upsetting to these people that they "have" to step in to try and save everybody from themselves and it's so disturbing to them to see what makes other people happy -- then why are they sticking around to torture themselves? The fixation on saving EDAs from what they see as the hell-pit of idolatry smacks more of them having a Christ-complex than anyone else around here I've seen. Maybe there's a point, and maybe there isn't, in having it repeatedly confirmed that EDAs don't believe Jewel is "perfect", that we are what we are etc. etc. But what doesn't make sense is the condescension and insults that come with the cynicism. Postings to this list containing things like "some of you actually got it" (in reference to their supposedly brilliant insights being understood by a few enlightened souls), or "you people" (in reference to the rest of the community) or calling someone "pathetic" (because they voice their own valid opinion) are simply rude and uncalled for... If the positive EDAs can be courteous and polite, then it shouldn't be asking too much of the negative cynics to be considerate of others as well. Is it? Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:43:14 -0400 From: Rael Subject: Re: See Jewel on her birthday! Casey Hansen wrote: > its > time for me to completly exclude myself from these insane internet > people and stick to normal people" > Who is to say what is normal? your fellow EDA, Bill P. - -- "I'd rather see the world from another angle..."--Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 01:58:40 +0800 From: "Andrew Watson" Subject: Re: jewel-digest V2 #300 > I am not one to take things really personally and to comment a lot but > this really hurt me that you can be so rude to a fellow angel, Casey. > =( I think it would be a nice treat for Jewel to see some of her EDAs > show up overseas on her birthday and would be a nice surprise -- from > what I hear she had a horrible time in Europe the last time around and > having angels nearby would brighten her special day. Peter, thanks for > sharing the info. and I for one might go and see her -- not just because > it is her birthday -- but because I would love to see her in a more > intimate setting again. I would love to do it. Except I'm only 14, and my parents wouldn't pay heaps of money for me to go to one concert. Andrew Watson awatson@wantree.com.au "The Jewel Shrine" http://www.thespis.com/awatson/jewel.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:18:47 -0500 From: elvis Subject: Re: cynics can learn to be considerate, too I try most of the time to not get involved with the arguements or what at times seem to be raging battles of a senseless nature. I don't see the point of insulting other people on the list, I don't see the point of proclaiming to be of superior intellect, and I don't see the point of continually using anger to try to make others believe your point of view. I agree with Adrian on consideration of others feelings, its the reason all of us listen to Jewel in the first place is because she arouses such strong emotions in us all. Some on the list may have anger that builds up inside and our community here can be useful in dealing with that, but venting that anger on the list is wrong. Oh well, I do know that spending a few hundred dollars to go see Jewel in Europe doesn't seem like such a bad deal, heck I spend more than that on make my house payments, and I really don't like the place half as much as I would enjoy some new surroundings with a familar voice. elvis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:47:56 -0700 From: howenow@imagen.net (Adrian Duplessis) Subject: positive connotations/definitions of cult as well as negative -- the mistake is in generalizing Dave posted about his girlfriend thinking EDAs are a cult -- it becomes an issue of semantics when you want to score points like that. The mistake (intentional or otherwise) is in generalizing the term so that its actual or precise meaning is blurred. EDAs are not a cult as is commonly defined or understood in our culture. I have the same Webster's dictionary as Dave's girlfriend and the definition that applies to what we commonly refer to as cults (in the cultural milieu of the late 20th century) is "3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also: its body of adherants". This applies to cults such as the Heaven's Gate group, Jimmy Jones' followers, the Moonies and others which have a codified set of religious rituals and beliefs that are generally considered unorthodox or spurious. More colloquial definitions of this term with the connotation of cult as it's popularly understood can be found in other dictionaries and texts. Dave's girlfriend points to the comparatively obscure, but positive, definition of the term cult in Webster's NCD "5 b: a usu. small circle of persons united by devotion or allegiance to an artistic or intellectual movement or figure" There is a significant difference between the two definitions and I doubt that any fans of Jewel, the Beatles, Dadaism, Dylan, Clapton, Romanticism etc. etc. would object to being defined as in 5 b. But why use such a term when very few people in our society look up obscure definitions in dictionaries when they are talking with each other. So, if you're going to use the word cult you have to expect that people will think of the commonly understood meaning or connotation -- and that would be misleading when talking about those who are interested in artistic or intellectual movements and figures. But, then again, like the cynics who insist on being bothered by EDAs so they can repeatedly post their warnings, some people may want to generalize the term if it suits them. That's life. Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:06:11 -0700 From: davester Subject: Follow-up to: Jewel... Spiritual Human or Elevated Demi-Goddess Just as I sent my last message, I get this message from my girlfriend: > Cult as defined in Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary - a usually small circle of persons united by devotion or allegiance to an artistic or intellectual movement or figure. I'm having a really bad day... Dave :-( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:37:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Stamm Subject: Re: Newbie On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Stephanie wrote: > hello. My name is Stephanie and I have been a fan since she came > out...I think;) I thought Jewel was not a lesbian :} ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:04:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Timothy Paul Mccormick Jr" Subject: Rolling Stone Cover I just got my edition of Rolling Stone in the mail today, and to my surprise, well not really, Jewel was on the cover. And if I may say so, looking pretty damn good. The article was pretty good, although most of the stuff I already knew. Talk to ya all later. Boss - -- "Now don't it feel like you're a rider on a downbound train." -Bruce Springsteen "We'll go driving in that pool it's who you know that gets you through the gates of the playboy mansion." -U2 "Pieces of us die everyday, as though our flesh were hell." -Jewel Kilcher ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:16:00 -0400 From: Andrew Chandler Subject: JC: NOT CHEATING This is to all the people who e-mailed me saying it's cheating to vote for Jewel more than once: Actually, it's not. Does it say anywhere on there to only vote once? I didn't think so. Andrew. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:25:56 -0700 From: Casey Hansen Subject: Re: See Jewel on her birthday! Gianfranco Covello wrote: > > > That is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard! What is Jewel going > > to think of you If she sees you? She gonna think "Whoo this freak came > > all the way from America becasue he is an obsessed insane person, its > > time for me to completly exclude myself from these insane internet > > people and stick to normal people" > > > > People, can Jewel have a personal life, can Jewel go anyware without us > > following her thinking that she always like's it. She is not there for > > our disposal, damn! > > > > Leave the poor gal alone sometimes, fans are one thing, but some of yall > > are another! > > Ok, wow, this is one of the nicest posts i've read in awhile, who else > thinks that John-Eric is pathetic, and that we are on a mission to go to > all of Jewel's concerts that we can, hmm, going to a concert is kinda weird > huh guys... > > hopefully the sarcasm was seen here :-) > > if i had the cash i would go see her, and take in > the scenery as well, heck if i had money i'd do alot of things, including > go see Jewel in foreign countries. > so call me pathetic, i know you are :-) > > And just to set the record straight, John-Eric is one of the nicest people > i have had the pleasure to speak with. :-) > > Gianfranco Okay, going to a concert is not wierd but, going to Germany, spending 100's of dollars, being a freak, wierd! If a show is coming to a town close to you, go, have a good time, okay, but just becasue it is her birthday, going to Koln would be silly, and kind of scary, like I said before, leave the poor gal alone, she has enough problems without a bunch a obsessive freaks there to witness just a normal show! If you want to see her in a more intimate setting, too bad! You are all the ones to wish for her succsess! I've seen her in an intimate setting and it was wonderful! Better than her current type shows and you know what, it is over, she is touring Europe and we are hear, leave it alone! Danke, Casey Can anyone agree with me! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: luna Subject: Re: See Jewel on her birthday! > > Can anyone agree with me! > no. i cannot agree with you. you have a right to your own opinion, yes. but the way that you present your argument is offensive and not very eda-like. if you think that going to koln is strange, then don't go. but i thought it was very nice that someone looked into prices for those that may have the funds. besides, it offers an opportunity for adventure, and adventure breeds creativity. i realize that most creativity may be seen as wierdness to many, but please please do not call other pathetic anymore. it hurts my feelings that you called john-eric pathetic. he is my friend. so please please please try to be sensitive to how others may take your insults. luna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:45:59 -0400 From: Andrew Chandler Subject: NO DOUBT Is anyone here going to the No Doubt concert on May 19th at the Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids, Michigan? Also, I would like to hear from the people who have heard the Vandals what they are like? Are they loud or soft music? I heard they were ska, is this true? Also, what have they been selling at the No Doubt concerts (most likely t-shirts but what else?) Andrew. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:44:56 EDT From: kim.eponine.r@juno.com (Kim R Ries) Subject: Re: joey lauren adams On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:21:38 -0400 (EDT) RbSayre@aol.com writes: >In a message dated 97-04-25 03:45:28 EDT, jaa9@dana.ucc.nau.edu >(Jennifer Ann >Austin) writes: > ><< I have read that renee was in dazed and confused too, but she must >have had a non-speaking part, or was cut in editing. I've seen the movie >many times, and I've never seen her in it, and she's not listed in the >credits. > Joey Lauren Adams was in it, though. > > >oh! i just got D&C on tape (Anthony Rapp & Adam Goldberg RULE!! Parker >Posey >is a goddess!!) so i'll have to check. Anthony Rapp is awesome!!!!!!!!! Has anyone seen him in Adventures in Babysitting? He plays the friend of the kid Elizabeth Shue is babysitting. I love that movie. I want to see him in Rent on Broadway too :( Along with Adam Pascal (yummy.. :). Also, to see if she's in the movie you'll have to watch the credits at the end. but I don't think it's Renee (if I have the right person), since Maguire is always said to be her debut.... All the good movies that are out now are rated R :( Kim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:38:04 -0400 (EDT) From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB--THE EDAF EXPLAINED, Duffstock & other rumors...... Hi all EDAs everywhere, Please take some time & read this in its entirety. Something wonderful is beginning to happen. I want to take this opportunity to fill in those that are interested or may have recieved wrong or incomplete information recently. Back around the first of the year, my first friend on this list, Duff, was travelling through New England. Being in CT, I of course, insisted she pay me a visit. A day or two before she dropped by, I was telling Dennis Harris that I was excited to finally meet her. He wanted to join us & I welcomed him, of course. Those that know Dennis, know how contagious his enthusiasm can be & before I knew it we had a little mini gathering here at the old MrBB Studios. In attendance were Duff, Dennis, Amy, Rachel, Mike,Tegan, AmyJo & myself. This is what became known as Duffstock. All it really was, was a bunch of friends getting together. As the day progressed, we all began discussing if it was possible to begin organizing events that would be fun for EDAs while doing selfless acts of kindness for others. As this discussion progressed we began to see that a foundation could be set up to help facilitate these gatherings while helping to unite the EDAs in support of worthy causes. Simultaneously, on the west coast, very similar discussions were going on with Larry, Igor & other thoughtful West Coast area EDAs. They brought new and different great ideas to the discussion. It became apparent that something great clearly was beginning to take shape. I discussed these ideas with Lenedra & Jewel. They were not only supportive, but LOVED the ideas. They asked us to get ourselves more organized & to keep them informed. For lack of anything more original, we all began referring to this "vague project" as the EDA Foundation (or EDAF). Over the last few months other gatherings (such as Lizstock & Hot Dog Fest) took place & these ideas were discussed even more. One thing that was becoming very clear was that amongst the EDAs, a vast talent & resource pool existed. The problem was how to tap into that. Since many of the people that attended these gatherings were already knowledgable about the "EDAF idea", Lenedra suggested I form a discussion commitee to organize & to make the EDAF a reality. At exactly that moment, all the "Jewel's birthday" discussion came up on the list. Many wanted to support a charity or worthy cause in Jewel's name rather than give physical gifts which parralleled everything the EDAF people had been unsuccessfully trying to figure out. I kept a list of every single suggestion that came over the list or was written to me about. Within a few days I already had 48 (!) excellent suggestions. I spoke to Lenedra explaining what was going on. I told her we have so many good suggestions that I'm at a loss what to do. Much to my surprise, Jewel had a completely different suggestion. Her suggestion was the JPK Fund as you all know about & most thankfully support. It seemed to us that all of these things going on were headed in the same positive direction & that we needed a commitee to help utilize all the talent & resources on the list. We never thought in terms of leaders & followers. We only thought of talent, resources & organizers to promote the effort. The people familiar with the EDAF idea already were obvious choices to knowledgably discuss all this. Everyone involved so far has already shown great care and love for this list, but we've barely begun. Because this whole EDAF concept is so disorganized, up until now we have not made it public knowledge. It was basically moving along from one EDA gathering to another by word of mouth & a few chat room meetings over the past 2 or 3 weeks. Even though we are still very disorganized, we feel that all the answers lie amongst all of you reading this now. That is whats been going on behind the scenes. The "JPK fund EDA list project" is simply a beginning. We know the EDAs are capable of far greater things, in the future. We need constructive critisism & help from the vast talent available amongst the EDAs. At this point in time the EDAF is little more than a concept. We have come up with 2 points that are important to all of us & I hope you'll agree. They are: First, the aspect of participating in, supporting and promoting events, future gatherings and worthy social causes, locally by list members and volunteers throughout regions of the country, as well as on a larger scale through events and causes backed by the participation and support of the EDAs as a whole; and Second, the honoring of people whose "everyday" acts of beauty and kindness (which often go unnoticed and which otherwise might well go unrecognized) make the world a better place in small ways. There's never been a secret EDAF plot or anything like that. Just a bunch of good hearted well intentioned EDAs struggling to make everything even better for everyone. Thats the truth! Seriously think about these things, post your ideas to the list & be nice to each other........ Alan(MrBB) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Tour book mailing status update Hi to all who ordered tour booklets, Just want you all to know that all orders so far were mailed out this morning. I apologize for the slight delay. Things were crazy here for a while & I got backed up on it. But I'm all caught up & all the incoming orders will go out same day from here on out. Expect deliveries next week if you already ordered. Enjoy! Anyone know how to get rid of that envelope glue toungue? Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:51:47 -0400 From: "June A. Weller" Subject: response to the jewel idolatry thing Albert, Thank you for your piece by piece message (How do you do that quoting thing?) but I think you missed my point. I'm not saying that we should not strive to be the best that we can be every day. Rather, I'm arguing that we should believe that humanity is beautiful and respect the title of Human by being the best that we can be every day. The first step toward self-love is self-recognition. We have to recognize our foibles (notice, a foible is a little thing, not armed robbery or murder) in order to work on them. But, at the same time, we can't beat ourselves up for those mistakes. Perhaps I'm just viewing these semantics as wishing to be something other than what we are, which I view as self-betrayal. However, I recognize that when you use the term angel, you are using it as symbol of the best that we can be. I similarly use the term Human (capitalized like a character in a medieval morality play). Like I said, just semantics. (By the way, I didn't see the Nickelodian thing, I personally use that phrase when speaking to children so I don't think it's rude, and I only threw that blurb in to hint to everyone that 1. when people do seem to slip up, don't villify but encourage them and 2. I'm really sick of reading about it). As for the Hounounyms, according to Swift (the dialectic voice) they are not perfect but erroneous if not evil. In that respect, you are correct. But according to the naive narrator, they are perfect. Hence the reference. When I mentioned perfect people, I meant those who had that saccharine veneer of perfection. Basically, if everyone continues to shalack (is this how its spelled?) Jewel with Nutrasweet, I'll be reduced to hating her or them (and this would be a very bad thing) As for the Lucifer thing, that's only one version. According to Milton's version, he fell because he refused to worship the Son not because he refused to serve man. Adam and Eve were not even created until the fallen angels were licking their wounds in Hell. To say that they were imperfect because they fell would mean that God (whether you believe in God or not, we are at least discussing the same mythos) had created them with a glitch, which is highly contrary to the view of God as all wise, powerful, and good. (Whether pre-lapsarian angels and humans were created with such gliches is an endless theological, philosophical, and literary debate. This is simply my take on it.) So unfallen angels are perfect. Finally, as for my dystopic comment. Often people in pursuit of their own defined brand of perfection (your well taken point) reject and repress all criticism. I've noticed in the few short days I've been on this list that anyone who even remotely or constructively criticizes Jewel is delivered hate mail. That is scary. I enjoyed this intellectually stimulating debate. I was not offended and hope likewise for you, Jules "Without contraries is no progression" "Opposition is true friendship" --both from Willaim Blake's "Marriage of Heaven and Hell" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:58:05 -0400 (EDT) From: the emperor of smurfs Subject: Jewel on the Cover of Rolling Stone hi EDAs! i just wanted to let everyone know that it is issue #760, and dated May 15, 1997. i read the article while standing in a local music shop. i am really not a fan of RS and i couldn't fathom spending $3.95 for it. about a week back, Alan Bershaw informed us that the article might show Jewel, Atz, and Lenedra in a bad light. i honestly did not find anything damning in the article. the quotes all seemed very coherent and it did not appear that Jewel's statements were edited out of context. before anyone starts writing horrible letters to RS, i encourage everyone to read the article, and make an independent decision. i thought the article was okay and not really unflattering as it was suggested earlier that it might be. but i didn't think it was worth $3.95. that money would be better spent on buying blank tapes and getting some bootleg tapes. :) peace, dave *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* Dave DiCicco peaches@dmapub.dma.org you like a mystery, and i can't hold you now i'd like to set you free, but oh, i don't know how -- merrie amsterburg *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:19:08 -0700 From: That Little Voice Inside Your Head Subject: Thank You So Much Thank you angels, with your pick me ups I slipped out of my depression, and so far out of it! :) Thank you Thank You, *sigh* any hoo ummmm do any of you have parents who listen to you when you are talking one the phone and like say stuff to you like "don't act like that" "what did she do?" heehee does anyone else have this problem? Then, when you try and like tell them to stop doing it you feel really mean! I don't know but my mom gives me "the eyes" and says "ok sorry Laura" sheesh! Any hoo PLEASE send your pillow patches! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! :) okies bye bye Love all you angels! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:22:47 -0400 (EDT) From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: Re: Who's goin? =) In a message dated 97-04-25 16:06:40 EDT, mcherman@ea.oac.uci.edu (Cherm) writes: << natalie merchant wasn't mentioned on the lilith fair web site. is she really going to be there? either was sheryl crow. >> i think i heard that natalie pulled out. (i'm slightly thankful for that, but that's just mho). i haven't heard anything about sheryl crow doing the show, though...they usually keep the web site updated as far as the acts are concerned.... rick *your skin smells lovely like sandalwood* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: LikeHi@aol.com Subject: SJC: Batman and Robin sountrack Okay, after reading the post about 104 KRBE talking about Jewel on the sountrack.. I called 104 to ask what song it was. The nice guy who answered said he didn't know but that he heard it's real good. :) Um.... all Jewel songs are "real good". hehe :) Any ideas to what it may be??? :) I think I missed the other post related to it... oh well gotta go eat... i'm starving to death!!!! i'm on a diet now.. hehe :) Becca :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:32:34 -0400 (EDT) From: RbSayre@aol.com Subject: are you there jewel? it's me margaret In a message dated 97-04-25 16:12:51 EDT, joghurt@worldnet.att.net (Casey Hansen) writes: << That is the most pathetic thing I have ever heard! > ouch. can we play nice angels? <> I don't think that someone going overseas to see Jewel in concert is the same thing as involving themselves in Jewel's personal life. There are varying degrees to which someone can be a fan- I've travelled great distances to see special shows or concerts before and while I certainly thought it was insane (when i realized that i'd spent a bunch of money i didn't have to fly to New York & see RENT twice), I never thought that I was... INSANE. let's all hug and keep the flames to a minimum? :) after all, we're all everyday angels.... rick has been sleeping on half of his bed lately thinking about what he said to me... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:34:16 EDT From: kim.eponine.r@juno.com (Kim R Ries) Subject: Re: Tour book mailing status update On Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:50:31 -0400 (EDT) ABershaw@aol.com writes: >Hi to all who ordered tour booklets, > Just want you all to know that all orders >so far were mailed out this morning. I apologize >for the slight delay. Things were crazy here for >a while & I got backed up on it. > But I'm all caught up & all the incoming >orders will go out same day from here on out. >Expect deliveries next week if you already >ordered. Enjoy! > Anyone know how to get rid of that envelope glue >toungue? Alan > > Easy use a sponge instead. j/k - reminds me of that episode on Step By Step when Cody was writting a whole bunch of letters to win something.... (god I need help - I'm worse than Rosie). Kim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:44:20 -0400 From: sihorowi@colby.edu (Stephen I. Horowitz) Subject: A plea! This is a plea to please stop the "Jewel is/is not worth worshipping, idolizing, etc." thread. If somebody wants to idolize and revere Jewel, that is their right and it is nobody's business to tell them whether they are right or wrong. Please, I am begging everybody to drop it. Thanks, everybody. Peace to all, Steve /> / / Stephen (//////[0]>=====================================- \ \ Horowitz \> "The storm it came up strong and shook the trees and blew away our fears." -R.E.M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:03:55 -0400 From: agalinanes@microjuris.com (Angel M. Galinanes) Subject: I think we do IDOLIZE! Angels: OK , let the flamming on me begin. I think we do idolize Jewel . I mean I never have a heard negative constructive criticism on Jewel on the list. And if Jewel does something that may be actually not be 100% EDA-like , we start to rationalize her situation , and making up excuses for her behavior . I'm not saying Jewel has been rude or in anyway unpolite , but I'm sure if she ever were ... we would then start rationalizing and trying to explain as if to keep Jewel in the highest standard . Now some of you will say that I'm B.S-ing , and say that you don't think Jewel is perfect , that she's just a pretty darn good human being -and in every way I would be agreeing with you- , but underneath this lies our unconsciouss correlation of Jewel and "perfection". This is just human , and I'm guilty of saying something just to sound sensible , but deep in my heart believing the same thing that I'm criticizing . That's why i concur with 95% of the things that SEAN HOOKS says . I agreed with him a year ago when the he was majorly flamed , and I still regard him as one of the most intelligent and EDA-like EDA. just a thought , until then your auto cheap archangel: Rafa - - a penny for your thought , a dollar for your soul I'd be willing to pay would you be bought off?" - MR. Mofongo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:04:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "NUSwim '95" Subject: Atlanta Lillith Fair When the info on the Atlanta Lillith fair is posted either at the lilith fau=ir site or at the Lakewood venue site, We will need to start to get the planning in order. Thank you for all who would like to put in a little gathering down here among that southern hospitality. Let me know by mainly private but little bit of list writing whats up with options, ideas and possibilities. Thanks again. Dan Perugini dperugin@medmail.mcg.edu "One man, one goal, one mission, one heart, one goal, just one solution, one flash of light, yeah, one god, one vision" Queen "One Vision" "Get up, get back on your feet You're the one they can't beat and you know it" Styx "Fooling Yourself" "Happy Happy Joy Joy Happy Happy Joy Joy" Ren and Stimpy "I don't want to work, I want to bang on the Drum all Day!!!" Todd Rundgren "Bang on the Drum All Day" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:14:16 -0400 From: Andrew Chandler Subject: Re: I think we do IDOLIZE! I don't idolize her. There is only one God and that's the one in Heaven (in my opinion)! Angel M. Galinanes wrote: > > Angels: > > OK , let the flamming on me begin. I think we do idolize Jewel . I > mean I never have a heard negative constructive criticism on Jewel on the > list. And if Jewel does something that may be actually not be 100% EDA-like > , we start to rationalize her situation , and making up excuses for her > behavior . I'm not saying Jewel has been rude or in anyway unpolite , but > I'm sure if she ever were ... we would then start rationalizing and trying > to explain as if to keep Jewel in the highest standard . Now some of you > will say that I'm B.S-ing , and say that you don't think Jewel is > perfect , that she's just a pretty darn good human being -and in every way > I would be agreeing with you- , but underneath this lies our unconsciouss > correlation of Jewel and "perfection". This is just human , and I'm guilty > of saying something just to sound sensible , but deep in my heart believing > the same thing that I'm criticizing . That's why i concur with 95% of the > things that SEAN HOOKS says . I agreed with him a year ago when the he was > majorly flamed , and I still regard him as one of the most intelligent and > EDA-like EDA. > > just a thought , until then your auto cheap archangel: Rafa > > - a penny for your thought , > a dollar for your soul > I'd be willing to pay > would you be bought off?" - MR. Mofongo ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #301 ***************************