From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #287 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Monday, April 21 1997 Volume 02 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Rolling Stone (and other) media smear jobs [Albert Sze-Wei Wang ] Sat night live [RMS0072@aol.com] Re: Jewel is just a singer [MAXMOUZE@aol.com] Jewel on Much Music [Allan ] carrying picks around [naveenrao@juno.com (Kalipatnam V Rao)] Re: Jewel is just a singer - life [enstrom@pacifier.com (Don Enstrom)] The Nickelodeon thing [Albert Sze-Wei Wang ] SJC--RE: Jewel Mention in Dar Williams interview [Shawn ] njc: omaha earth day celebration [jnye@probe.net (john nye)] RE: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) ["Mark Frabo] jewel's praise a little overboard? ["Derrick Chhay" ] teen advice info... ["Derrick Chhay" ] Re: carrying picks around [Afternoons & Coffeespoons ] RE: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) [jonny22@web] NJC: AOL4FREE trojan horse alert. [kulisu@arn.net (Chris Pavek)] RE: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) [jonny22@web] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:03:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: Re: Rolling Stone (and other) media smear jobs On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Adrian Duplessis wrote: > Rolling Stone has been known to publish mean-spirited and poorly researched > articles on various artists in the past (in this, unfortunately they are > not alone -- "journalism" these days doesn't dserve the anme). Thank you Adrian for posting that! As a person who doesn't read Rolling Stone I am very glad someone who is familiar with the magazine and their apparent practices posted. It definitely does a great deal to help place everything in its appropriate perspective, unfortunate as it is turning out to be. It also sounds like Jewel didn't know they were a yellow-journalism type of publication either. :( > It's hurtful and it's wrong that this happens, but when it > does we can all do our part to uphold the truth and stay positive. "It > doesn't take a talent to be mean, and words can crush things that are > unseen..." Jewel's bound for greater glory and if obstacles are thrown > in that path, love, integrity and honesty will overcome them. This is > truly a time for EDAs to use their energy for good. I think this is a great piece of advice. Everyone please stay positive and expend our energy in support of Jewel if Rolling Stone does indeed really go yellow in the final print. And like Crunch has reminded us- well-composed and thought-out letters are the only way to go against journalism like that. I'll close with some words of advice from writer Robert Heinlein which would have been useful for interviewees in Jewel's situation: "Always answer an unfriendly question with another question. Never ask him to clarify; he'll put words in your mouth." -The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Robert Heinlein Albert Wang bahamude@user1.channel1.com Jewel Quotes and QTs http://hugse1.harvard.edu/~wangal/jewel.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:08:49 +0600 From: Eric Haglund Subject: Re: Jewel is just a singer At 10:31 PM 4/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >Now I'm not on this list but my girlfriend is and I read alot of the posts to >it. All this "how should we >celebrate her birthday " >stuff is really off base. Calling it Angel day , giving blood in her name >,etc. >"We all should try to be more Jewel-like." Does this sound like Christmas to >anyone? . If you want to be a nicer person or give blood , great, >but to do it in the name of Jewel is elevating her to a level that she >doesn't belong on. By doing something like a blood drive in her name makes it a much bigger deal to society. When well known people in our society do something like this or are part of something like this it is a big deal and it usually finds it's way into the eye of the public. By doing this you do two things: First and foremost you help people who are in need which is ultimately the main goal and second, by doing it in Jewel's name or any other well known person it has much more of an effect on others hopefully causing them to act in the same way, which in turn helps even more people. Jewel is not a god we all know that. She is no different than you or I and she doesn't want to be seen as that way. She is however incredibly talented and well known because of it. She has a power that we don't and that is widespread recognition and popularity and it can be used in incredible ways by doing things like this(blood drive, charity donations,etc.) Hopefully it will cause more people to do things like this and this world can take a step towards being a better place. Hope most of you EDA's agree with me on this one.-Eric"merely my opinion"Haglund "We must demand more not of each other but more from ourselves."-Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:10:33 -0400 (EDT) From: RMS0072@aol.com Subject: Sat night live I just wanna make a correction on a message that was posted. Jewel won't bo on SNL next week, but the next LIVE week, which will be MAY 10 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:12:07 -0400 (EDT) From: MAXMOUZE@aol.com Subject: Re: Jewel is just a singer In a message dated 97-04-20 22:40:41 EDT, Batdump@aol.com writes: << But I just wanted to point out to everyone that she is not a god. All this "how should we celebrate her birthday" stuff is really off base. Calling it Angel day , giving blood in her name, etc. "We all should try to be more Jewel-like." Does this sound like Christmas to anyone? >> I think Jewel has just inspired us to be better people and this is how we do it/thank her. You shouldn't complain about the world gaining a few angels... * IMHO * Mm__) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:16:27 -0400 From: Allan Subject: Jewel on Much Music I was just told that Jewel is going to be on Much Music here in Canada on a show Called "Much West" It aires today.... Sunday. Not further details. Allan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:06:58 -0700 From: naveenrao@juno.com (Kalipatnam V Rao) Subject: carrying picks around On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:22:12 -0400 (EDT), Bill Yeh wrote: >mandy et alia, > >at jewel's last performance in nashville, tn, she asked if anyone in the >crowd had a medium pick that she could use, so i would assume that this is >her preference. > >btw, like 4 guys came rushing up to the stage, all with picks in their hands. >who carries these things around with them? umm...well, actually, I carry a pick in my pocket at all times (Fender medium, just like Jewel :-) ). In fact, there's one in there right now! I'm not even that good at guitar, but it just makes me feel secure when I know I have my pick with me. :) Feel free to laugh... Naveen "The Really Messed Up Angel" naveenrao@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 20:33:23 -0800 From: enstrom@pacifier.com (Don Enstrom) Subject: Re: Jewel is just a singer - life Everyone belongs on any level they want to be, and if we want to be on the level where we admire somone like jewel and suport her and push her above the rest so that she can have a better life because of it, than that is our choice and that's called FREEDOM. It is all in the name of taking time out of our lives to make another human being feel special. We all need somone or somthing that makes us feel loved, special, and wanted in life. you need to look at how your girl friend or your other friends makes you feel wanted, because that is all we are doing with jewel, we are just doing it a different way, in our own way. ***Think about it, Don't criticize it*** Danny - -={The Angel Of Life}=- Mike wrote, >Now I'm not on this list but my girlfriend is and I read alot of the posts to >it. >I like Jewel alot. Seen her three times and have a bunch of rare stuff on CD >so don't get the impression that I am a Jewel basher. But I just wanted to >point out to everyone that she is not a god. All this "how should we >celebrate her birthday " >stuff is really off base. Calling it Angel day , giving blood in her name >,etc. >"We all should try to be more Jewel-like." Does this sound like Christmas to >anyone? She is just a singer, a very talented one at that , but not a Christ >figure by any means. If you want to be a nicer person or give blood , great, >but to do it in the name of Jewel is elevating her to a level that she >doesn't belong on. > >Feel free to respond, I'm curious what people think about this. > >Mike > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:30:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Sze-Wei Wang Subject: The Nickelodeon thing On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Derrick Chhay wrote: > Topic 3: Jewel > > I'm hearing "Well, Jewel shouldn't of done a show like that," and "I can't > believe Jewel would do a show that crappy." Let me ask everyone this...how > many of you have gone out in front of a live audience of screaming kids on > national tv and sung a song before? Not that many I would think....so give > Jewel credit, at least she tried. I couldn't agree more. I think a big point a lot of people are missing is Jewel will do what's in her heart, not for the sake of publicity. Look in her heart, and look in your own and ask yourself if you wouldn't have done something nice for kids if you were given an opportunity. I think her agreeing to do the show reveals a great deal about her heart. > In conclusion > All I have to say is that I'm very ashamed. If I were Jewel right now, I'd > be very ashamed of what some of my so called "loyal fans" have to say. > Jewel didn't become what she is today by listening to your judgements and > critisizms(boy, i really screwed up that spelling)...she made it big by > following her heart and doing what she wanted... Amen! What right do any of us have to approve or condemn what Jewel decides in her heart is the right thing to do? We don't! Jewel is who she is because she is who she is. She need not defend herself or justify herself to anyone. She is true to herself and that's all she needs to be! > and if she wanted to do > this awards show, then who are we to bash her for it? I for one give a big > two thumbs up for her effort. Now who's with me?!?!? Absolutely! :) Albert Wang bahamude@user1.channel1.com Jewel Quotes and QTs http://hugse1.harvard.edu/~wangal/jewel.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 19:34:10 -0800 From: Shawn Subject: SJC--RE: Jewel Mention in Dar Williams interview Hi Angels-- I recall this article in our "Anchorage Daily News", and was quite annoyed with it--enough to send the interviewer some loving thoughts of my own on her comments. I thought it was very tasteless to slam someone so as to try and build up another. I also thought Dar handled it very well --she's a very classy lady (I met her here in Anchorage a couple of months ago). Dar is very, very good, but truthfully--she just doesn't come anywhere close to Jewel's talent. Jewel performed in Anchorage over a year ago and I could never imagine anyone (even Jewel herself), ever doing a better show--it was one of those "once in a lifetime", pure and magical moments. I remember how mesmerized we all were!! Anyway, the writer (who was the main editor), was no longer working for the newspaper two weeks later (as far as I know)--I have not seen her name anywhere since. the emperor of smurfs wrote: > > hi angels! > > about a week back i rec'd a copy of an interview with Dar Williams. This > interview originally appeared on February 7, 1997 in the Anchorage Daily > News in the "8" supplement on page 7. > > i wasn't going to mention this interview because the interviewer > attempts to pit Dar against Jewel and this really puts Dar in an > uncomfortable position. but i decided to mention this in light > of the Alan Bershaw's post that Rolling Stone is planning on doing > a "hatchet job" on Lenedra, Atz & Jewel. the portion of the Dar > interview reproduced below is another example of really bad journalism > and it is unfair to both Dar and Jewel. > > [snip] > > Q: You write songs that are almost like short stories. I suppose you > have to, given the complexity of the emotion and the issues you sing > about.. > > dar: Something that I've discovered is that one of the safe directions > for a life to take is the so-called "Noah's Ark Approach," where you find > your > mate and you march two-by-two and it's a stable thing. Looking for that > one person is a pursuit we can really sell our selves on. The thing the > short story solves is that a love story is one among many. The stories > I find more interesting are the ones where people discover something about > his- or herself or about work. They discover conflict is not about love; > it is about self or friendship. That's the story I like to write. > > Q: So you're sort of like Jewel with a brain? > > dar: That is funny...[edited in original which leads me to believe that > Dar's statements below are probably somewhat out of context -- dave] > It makes me think about the way I think the marketing works with music. > Obviously, that would be to get a performer as young as possible because > they worship youth, and that person is vulnerable and more likely to sign > contracts. You've got to say no to them before they say no to you. > I see the system as working against Jewel. If Jewel is able to navigate > her way out of it ... [edited in original] she'll be able to > succeed. Because she grew up in Alaska, not L.A., she probably has some > identity outside the industry. And because feminism has progressed > further, she can figure out the traps. Like someone is always going to > tell her she is fat, even if she's anorexic... [edited in original] > But there's a lot working in Jewel's favor. And Jewel's talent is working > in Jewel's favor. > > Q: Jewel's in her early 20s. You didn't get started as a serious > performer until you were 26. Why then? > > dar: I was interested in theater until I was 23. I started going to > open-mikes when i was 22 or 23. It took until I was 26 to really get my > stuff out there because I was working with a grassroots network of people > to hear and record my music. > > Q: You've got a serious following on the Web. People spend a lot of time > interpreting you and your concerts. It's almost like the hard-core > discussion fans would have about Bruce Springsteen in his early days, > except most of it is electronic. Is that a planned marketing approach? > > dar: It just sort of happened, which is great. I have great managers, > and their big motto is they want to build the indestructible career. That > means don't talk up to people, don't talk down to people. They're very > respectful to the people who listen to my music and the people who get my > music out into the world. The listeners are a part of the real equation of > having a career in music. I don't read the "Dar list" because it would > drive me crazy. Then it would become a phenom as tempting as the industry > world. I'd be tied to what I've already done and be scared of > experimenting. > > [snip] > > i think that Dar comes off quite gracious in response to the interviewer's > brutally unfair move of trying to pit Dar against Jewel. since > Dar's response are edited, i can't help but think we are losing some of > the context :( > > i decided to include the portion about Dar's response to her internet > popularity cos i thought it was just plain neat. also, i think the same > thing would apply to Jewel or any other performer who would have to > suffer through the overanalizations and interpretations of us fans. :) > > as always, feedback is welcome and appreciated! > > peace, > > dave > I'm really sorry for such a long post Angels, I know what it's like to go through a thousand posts a day, I just had to comment on this. Love from Alaska, Near you always, Shawn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:43:56 -0700 From: steel@cybertap.com (Roy Conlin) Subject: re:much music I hear that it is on at something like 12:00am or 12:30...??? Steel of the not so sure society ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: JABURGOS@CSUPomona.Edu Subject: Re:NJC, actors from PG 13 movies The reason most of the actors and actresses are from PG 13, at least this is what I think, is mostly about money. A lot of parents don't like their kids watching rated R movies. So a lot of Companies will change content of the film for a lower rating. Like Mortal Combat, they had to do a lot of editing to get that movie for a Pg 13 rating. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes people care more about the big green, than their original artistic intentions. I also want to add that the movie rating system, is by no means a law, when I used to be a manager at a theater, I am entitled to allow anyone of any age into any movie we had playing, including letting 8 year olds into Rated R movies. The rating is just a guidline not a law. Sorry to take up list space. Jerome ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:43:38 -0400 From: "K. Angel Rozett" Subject: RE: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) First off Mr. Frabotta I didn't say I was going to write the message and = send it now. I am actually looking forward to reading the article and = tyring to understand the reporters interpretations. So, at that point = you are wrong because reading the article was what I had intended to do. Second, on the magazine topic. I have been reading that magazine for = almost ten years and I have been completely happy withit. When I opened = the magazine to that distastefull ad a few months ago I was appalled. = If I wanted to see Jenny McCarthy half naked I would have subscribed to = Playboy, but I didn't and I don't want to see her or anyone naked in the = mag. It is a young woman's magazine intended to further young woman's = knowledge of themselves and society, I don't believe half naked woman = help reach this goal, nor do I believe posting naked pictures of anyone = in a young magazine makes us all run out and buy those products. Those = were a few of the points I used in the letter. that if 'Candie's = Shoes' *really* beleives a naked Jenny picture in a teenagers magazine = is going to increase thier sales they are sadly mistaken. I don't = believe that just because someone doesn't like something and thinks that = somehting is wrong that they should just ignore it. That kind of = attitude is appalling! If everyone had that attitude than both sexes = and races would still be phenomonally inequal. If people didn't stand = up for what they believed where would we be? I stood up for what I = believed and so did 500 other young females who also wrote into the same = magazine. It was a success and one small step for courage and morality. And third I personally think your interpretations of my word choice = present you as a closed minded-person, so does your comments on = tolerance. Yes, I believe tolerance in neccesary by all but if we all = had as much tolerance as you liked that again where would we be? ~~ Angel Rozett - ---------- From: Mark Frabotta (BEST)[SMTP:a-markfr@microsoft.com] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 1997 10:42 PM To: 'jewel@smoe.org' Cc: 'K. Angel Rozett' Subject: NJC: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) Hi, I certainly don't mean to be offensive, start a flamewar, or give the wrong impression to a new EDA, but I felt that I had to respond to this message. First, let me say that if, in fact, the reporter _deliberately_ misrepresented himself, Jewel, her family, etc., then that is a Bad Thing. That issue should be addressed and the reporter should be fined, chastised, fired, or given some other disincentive to continue screwing with the truth, and a retraction/correction should be issued by the magazine. However, if the reporter presented the facts as he knew them, made an honest effort to uncover/verify those facts, and gave commentary on what he found, well, *that is his job*! And while we may disagree with him, his opinions, and the methods he uses to interview people, he *is* entitled to fulfill the duties of his job as he sees fit.. Ms. Rozett, if you don't like the advertisements in the magazines you buy then either don't patronize the advertisers or don't purchase the magazines any more. If Atlantic cancelled Jewels contract (knock wood), because people wrote them 3 page rants because the frank sexual innuendoes in Race Car Driver offended them, how would you feel? Threatening to write another 3 page rant over an article you haven't read, simply because it may (may!) represent a view that you might (might!) disagree with, is the same knee-jerk censorship that gets Shakespeare banned from schools. =20 That fact that you called that advertisement 'evil', instead of say, 'in poor taste', also disturbs me. Shouldn't we all have a little more tolerance for the things we do not agree with? Don't we expect that others will be tolerant of our own failings? This is the important part: Please, as MrBB said: Read the article first, fer Gods sake! (That last bit was of emphasis mine, not MrBB's.) *Then* decide what you want to do about it. This goes to *everyone* on the list that has already started writing letters to RS too - I am not singling out Ms. Rozett on this. =20 Thank you, Mark Frabotta - ---------------------- "We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million=20 typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare.=20 Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true." > -----Original Message----- > From: K. Angel Rozett [SMTP:rozbud@boogins.mv.com] > Subject: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra >=20 > I too will send a message yo Rolling Stones. > This type of 'fight against wrongfull media' actually works. > When I saw an ad which was offensive to me (In the magazine 'YM', the > 'Candie's Shoes' ad of Jenny McCarthy on the toilet with her panties > around her ankles. ICK. ) I wrote a letter to the editor and to the > Printer of the magazine and ranted and raved for 3 pages in the > letter. Two weeks later I recieved an apology note and a promised > retraction from both the editor and the publisher. Just goes to show > that if you take action againts evil, you can defeat it. >=20 > =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:47:51 +0800 From: "Andrew Watson" Subject: The Jewel Shrine Hi everyone, I have just added a voting booth to my page. Come and vote for your favourite song. Go to: http://www.thespis.com/awatson/jewel.htm and then click on 'Voting'. Thanks. Seeya. Andrew Watson awatson@wantree.com.au "The Jewel Shrine" http://www.thespis.com/awatson/jewel.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:04:14 -0500 (CDT) From: jnye@probe.net (john nye) Subject: njc: omaha earth day celebration Hey EDAs any omaha edas missed a great day of music at the earth day celebration. and if you were there why didn't you tell me beforehand. Luke ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:35:48 -0700 From: "Mark Frabotta (BEST)" Subject: RE: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) Hi! First, let me apologize for the 'Ms. Rozett' thing, especially if your name really is Angel. There are many self-titled angels on the list - if I just said 'angel', half the list would think I was talking to them. :-) I also didn't want to go with the full 'Angel Rozett', cause I didn't want it to sound like I was talking down to you when I was just expressing my opinion. And I wasn't happy with the 'Ms. Rozett' either, but I thought it was the best choice out of the ones I had. :-( However, you _did_ start your message off with 'I too will send a message to Rolling Stone', so I hope you can see why I jumped to the conclusion that I did - especially when the next line suggested that you had sent many scathing letters in the past. I certainly did not see the ad in question and I know nothing about the demographics of 'YM'. I'll admit that I did not think that you were objecting to said ad because she was naked, but to the fact that she was on the toilet. That is why I couldn't understand you calling it 'evil' - - everyone goes to the bathroom right? So you see, I was not really saying that we should all turn a blind eye to injustice, inequality etc, but just suggesting a little calm in what I saw as an over-reaction. Anyway, I've obviously mis-interpreted your message. The main point of my message was to the many people who seemed to have made up their minds that a crime had been committed by this reporter without even seeing the article in question. Since you are not in that group, *please* accept my deepest apologies for slighting you. But to those of you *in* that group, I'm not letting you off the hook! Please - read the article *before* you lynch the reporter. Regards (and peace?), Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: K. Angel Rozett [SMTP:rozbud@boogins.mv.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 1997 8:44 PM > To: Mark Frabotta (BEST) > Cc: 'jewel@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from > Lenedra) > > First off Mr. Frabotta I didn't say I was going to write the message > and send it now. I am actually looking forward to reading the article > and tyring to understand the reporters interpretations. So, at that > point you are wrong because reading the article was what I had > intended to do. > > Second, on the magazine topic. I have been reading that magazine for > almost ten years and I have been completely happy withit. When I > opened the magazine to that distastefull ad a few months ago I was > appalled. If I wanted to see Jenny McCarthy half naked I would have > subscribed to Playboy, but I didn't and I don't want to see her or > anyone naked in the mag. It is a young woman's magazine intended to > further young woman's knowledge of themselves and society, I don't > believe half naked woman help reach this goal, nor do I believe > posting naked pictures of anyone in a young magazine makes us all run > out and buy those products. Those were a few of the points I used in > the letter. that if 'Candie's Shoes' *really* beleives a naked Jenny > picture in a teenagers magazine is going to increase thier sales they > are sadly mistaken. I don't believe that just because someone doesn't > like something and thinks that somehting is wrong that they should > just ignore it. That kind of attitude is appalling! If everyone had > that attitude than both sexes and races would still be phenomonally > inequal. If people didn't stand up for what they believed where would > we be? I stood up for what I believed and so did 500 other young > females who also wrote into the same magazine. It was a success and > one small step for courage and morality. > > And third I personally think your interpretations of my word choice > present you as a closed minded-person, so does your comments on > tolerance. Yes, I believe tolerance in neccesary by all but if we all > had as much tolerance as you liked that again where would we be? > > ~~ Angel Rozett > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 97 22:39:23 PDT From: "Derrick Chhay" Subject: jewel's praise a little overboard? >But I just wanted to >point out to everyone that she is not a god. All this "how should we >celebrate her birthday " >stuff is really off base. Calling it Angel day , giving blood in her name >,etc. >"We all should try to be more Jewel-like." Does this sound like Christmas to >anyone? She is just a singer, a very talented one at that , but not a Christ >figure by any means. If you want to be a nicer person or give blood , great, >but to do it in the name of Jewel is elevating her to a level that she >doesn't belong on. > >Feel free to respond, I'm curious what people think about this. > >Mike I agree totally! I mean, to praise her at this level could be considered a sin! "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." C'mon, i know there's at least one of you out there who's heard that saying somewhere. I mean, Jewel is one of the greatest singers of our time, but is there shouldn't be any reason to go overboard about it. I remember a couple months ago I got in a fight with one of the other EDAs on the list about something like this and a relationship almost went down the drain. This is my opinion, but you don't have to listen to it if you don't want to. I'm not the one to judge and you can do what you want, but you won't find me doing it with you...that's all I'm saying. And that's the bottom line cuz Cricket said so! Cricket ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 97 22:44:26 PDT From: "Derrick Chhay" Subject: teen advice info... i almost broke down in tears seeing how some of you are actually willing to help me out! thanx soooooooooooo much!!!! okay, i'm gonna be working on the home page for it a little this week, but should have it done completely by the end of next weekend...unless I get sidetracked. all i need is your email address(if you have more than one, give me the one you want the problems sent to), and a short bio of yourself to put up on the home page. and let me know if you want your email addy available to people just in case they want to confide in you about stuff etc etc etc. but know that if you say it's okay for me to do this, i'm not responsible for anything cooky that might happen to your email as a result of this. thanx again...."PeaceLoveLife" Cricket ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:47:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Afternoons & Coffeespoons Subject: Re: carrying picks around actually, i carry a pick with a lot of the time too, mainly cause i like chewing on them. if im playing, and i need to finger pick or something, the pick goes right in my mouth, its just habit. so just like you said, its a comfort. so to all the pick-carriers, we're not lunatics, we just take comfort in toting around thin pieces of plastic... theres nothing wrong with that :) At 10:06 PM 4/20/97 -0700, you wrote: >On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:22:12 -0400 (EDT), Bill Yeh wrote: > >>mandy et alia, >> >>at jewel's last performance in nashville, tn, she asked if anyone in the >>crowd had a medium pick that she could use, so i would assume that this >is >>her preference. >> >>btw, like 4 guys came rushing up to the stage, all with picks in their >hands. >>who carries these things around with them? > >umm...well, actually, I carry a pick in my pocket at all times (Fender >medium, just like Jewel :-) ). In fact, there's one in there right now! > I'm not even that good at guitar, but it just makes me feel secure when >I know I have my pick with me. :) Feel free to laugh... > >Naveen "The Really Messed Up Angel" >naveenrao@juno.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:48:49 -0700 From: Phenom Subject: Re: Jewel is just a singer I came home from work and this was the very first message I read.=20 While I do not hold Jewel on a pedestal like Christ, I do respect her integrity to live her dream. Yet to say she is in no way like Jesus would be, in itself, a fallacious statement. If we look at what each person stands for we can see that their ideals are much the same. Once again while I do not see Jewel as a god, it does not mean that I won=92t participate in any of the EDA=92s plans for her birthday. We are her fan club. A fan is a fanatic, just to remind those who have forgotten. =20 I find Jewel to be a great role model. People can learn many things from someone who follows her heart. Those who see how she succeeded might decide to try to live their dream, I know that it has worked for me. If those who follow her example fail, they will succeed in the long run, for being true to yourself is its own reward. (If you catch my drift.) And in the kingdom of the EDA=92s I believe that most of us do not view Jewel as the Christ, the Anti-Christ just good ol=92 Jewel. Merry Jewelmass (Just Kidding), Eric Burford the phenomenal phenom ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* The things you fear are undefeatable Not by their nature but by your approach -Jewel ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:56:35 -0400 From: jonny22@webtv.net (Jon Miller) Subject: RE: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) As far as the Jenny McCarthy on the toilet goes, yes going to the bathroom is natural, as is being natural. I don't really see any problem with the ad, however, what Jenny doing stinky has to do with shoes is beyond me. Guess they just wanted shock value and attention, of which they got both. As for the Rolling Stone article, I think everyone is ready to bash the article without having read it but with good reason. Lenedra wrote to us warning us that it was twisted and out of context and really bashed her and Atz and made it look like it came out of Jewel's mouth. So I'd say we'll have to believe Lenedra and I'll already have a negative attitude towards the article when I read it. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:08:25 -0700 From: kulisu@arn.net (Chris Pavek) Subject: NJC: AOL4FREE trojan horse alert. You know, I really debated on wether or not to post this message seeing as how there are a lot of pros and cons to the situation. But considering the fact that there have been so many discredited virus warnings posted such as goodtimes and penpals that I figured most of you would think that this too would be a harmless virus warning. The fact that a couple of friends have already fallen victim to the program has led me to post in hopes of detering any futher damage. The original alert is at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/bulletins/h-47a.shtml if you want to verify my post. For those mac users out there (including me), have a nice day knowing that this doesn't apply to you. Chris trying hard to be edaish. ******************* H-47a: AOL4FREE.COM Trojan Horse Program Destroys Hard Drives April 17, 1997 23:00 GMT PROBLEM: A Trojan Horse program called AOL4FREE.COM that deletes all files on a hard drive is circulating the Internet. PLATFORM: DOS/Windows-based PCs DAMAGE: When the AOL4FREE.COM program is executed, all files and directories on the users C: drive are deleted. SOLUTION: DO NOT execute this program. If the program starts executing, quickly pressing Ctrl-C will save some of your files. VULNERABILITY Users who download the trojaned AOL4FREE.COM program and ASSESSMENT: executes it will destroy all the files and directories on their DOS C: drive. CIAC has obtained a Trojaned copy of AOL4FREE.COM that destroys hard drives. NOTE: This is different from the AOL4FREE Virus Warning hoax message. CIAC has obtained a Trojaned copy of the AOL4FREE.COM program that, if run, deletes all the files on a user's hard drive. If you are e-mailed this file, or if you have downloaded it from an online service, do not attempt to run it. If the program was received as an attachment to an e-mail message, do not double click (open) it. Opening an attached program runs that program, which in this case deletes all the files on your hard drive. The original AOL4FREE was a Macintosh program for fraudulently creating free AOL (America Online) accounts. Note that any attempt to use the original AOL4FREE program may subject you to prosecution. NOTE: Most antivirus programs will not detect this or other Trojan Horse programs. Detection ========= AOL4FREE.COM is a Trojan program that is 993 bytes (2 sectors) long. The following text is readable in the AOL4FREE.COM file if you display it with the DOS TYPE command or the DOS EDIT program. Compiled by BAT2EXEC 1.5 PC Magazine . Douglas Boling Note that this text may appear in any program compiled with the BAT2EXEC program and has nothing to do with the Trojan Horse. If you open the AOL4FREE.COM file with a disk editor or with the Windows Notepad program, the following text is found at the end of the second sector of the file. PATH COMMANDC earc /C C: /C CD\ DELTREE /y *.* ECHOOYOUR COMPUTER HAS JUST BEEN F***ED BY *VP* F*** YOU AOL-LAMER Where F*** is a common vulgar explicative. Recovery ======== Pressing Ctrl-C before the Trojan Horse finishes deleting all your files will save some of them. If the program runs to completion, all the files on your root drive will have been deleted. The files are deleted with the DOS DELTREE command, so the contents of the files are still on your hard disk, only the directory entries have been deleted. Any program that can recover deleted files will allow you to recover some or all of the files on your hard disk. While attempting to recover files, be sure to not write any new files onto the hard disk as the new files may overwrite the contents of a deleted file, making it impossible to recover. You will probably have to boot your system with a floppy and run any recovery programs from there. If you happen to have one of the delete tracking programs installed on your system (a program that keeps track of deleted files in case you want them back) the recovery operation will be relatively simple. Follow the directions in your delete tracking program to recover your files. If not, you will probably have to recover each file individually, supplying the first character of the file name, which is overwritten in the directory when the file is deleted. Most DOS/Windows disk tools programs also have the capability for recovering deleted files so follow the directions included with those programs to do so. Background ========== The original AOL4FREE Macintosh program was developed to fraudulently create free AOL accounts. The creator of that program has pleaded guilty to defrauding America Online for distributing that program. Anyone else attempting to use that program to defraud AOL could also be prosecuted. The AOL4FREE Virus Warning message has been circulating about the Internet and warns of an AOL4FREE virus infected e-mail message that infects and destroys a system when the message is read, but that warning is a hoax and not about this Trojan horse. 1. The AOL4FREE.COM program is a Trojan Horse, not a virus. It does not spread on its own. 2. A Trojan Horse must be run to do any damage. 3. Reading an e-mail message with the Trojan Horse program as an attachment will not run the Trojan Horse and will not do any damage. Note that opening an attached program from within an e-mail reader runs that attached program, which may make it appear that reading the attachment caused the damage. Users should keep in mind that any file with a .COM or .EXE extension is a program, not a document and that double clicking or opening that program will run it. Macintosh users have the additional problem that Macintosh programs do not have readable extensions, and so are more difficult to detect. Extra care should be taken to insure that you do not unintentionally execute an attached program. CIAC still affirms that reading an e-mail message, even one with an attached program, can not do damage to a system. The attachment must be both downloaded onto the system and run to do any damage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 01:03:25 -0400 From: jonny22@webtv.net (Jon Miller) Subject: RE: Censorship (was: RE: MrBB--ALL PLEASE READ-from Lenedra) Sorry if the first line of that last post didn't make sense, I meant going to the bathroom is natural and being naked is also natural. Sorry Jon ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #287 ***************************