From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #237 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jewel-digest Wednesday, April 2 1997 Volume 02 : Number 237 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum [gregdunn@indy.net] RE: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum ["Trudeau, Tony" ] INVITATION TO IGNORE [laura catherine taylor ] RE: INVITATION TO IGNORE ["Trudeau, Tony" ] Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum [Ashe Mayfair ] NJC: what else can Jewel sing, STL auction... [Gianfranco Covello ] Re: NJC: Fionna Apple In Pittsburgh [Grrly1@aol.com] My bit on Jason's StL Auction [Steve ] NJC-Test [Eric Haglund ] New member, Introduction ["Mark Olmos" ] LA show EDAs; Jewel on KROQ Thurs.; DAT request [Steve ] The love on this list (was Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum) [She Who Is ] Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum [Eric Haglund ] Minneapolis 3/18 ["Johnson, Matt" ] List Content: Why auctions of Jewel stuff is NOT desired on this list [Mi] Re: the Nields ["C. K. Coney" ] RE: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum ["Trudeau, Tony" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:52:01 -0500 (EST) From: gregdunn@indy.net Subject: Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum "LtjgMacC@aol.com said:" > > Umm.... I know I'm sort of just a lurker around here and all.... but, what > exactly is the problem with someone making sure an EDA or true fan has an > oppertunity to get a copy of STL? The problem is the word "AUCTION". We just had a big to-do here last week about auctioning promo stuff. I don't care, I ignore them myself --but if someone REALLY wants to help out a fellow EDA as opposed to making money, they will offer it fairly to interested parties. And yes, it's OK to allow for postage and packaging; sheesh. Method? Draw names out of a hat, have a trivia contest, I dunno what. The only purpose of an auction is to drive up the price of an item until the person with the most money finally wins. If you want to alert people to a site where someone is auctioning a CD, or say "mail me if interested", then work it out via Email, fine. I agree with Jeff and Mike; let's not auction stuff on the list; it's tacky. - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | GregDunn@aol.com | knowledge is not wisdom; | | GregDunn@indy.net | wisdom is not truth." | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn/ | Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:20:02 -0600 From: "Trudeau, Tony" Subject: RE: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum This is all starting to remind me of Tickle Me Elmo. >---------- >From: gregdunn@indy.net[SMTP:gregdunn@indy.net] >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 8:52 AM >To: jewel@smoe.org >Subject: Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum > > >of a hat, have a trivia contest, I dunno what. The only purpose of an >auction is to drive up the price of an item until the person with the >most money finally wins. > >If you want to alert people to a site where someone is auctioning a CD, >or say "mail me if interested", then work it out via Email, fine. I >agree with Jeff and Mike; let's not auction stuff on the list; it's tacky. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:50:40 -0700 (MST) From: laura catherine taylor Subject: INVITATION TO IGNORE Dear EDA's and others i am inviting everyone to experience deletion. from now on, to prevent strife and threads of flaming, i will be deleting any post that has the word auction or anything similar in it. i woke up this morning and thought i would jump on the list to see new info on jewel, hear about the shows from last night, maybe find that someone absolutely loves the list, a question or so from newbies or the standard everyday angel chatter. however, i read the biting banter of sir auctioner and those who disagree with him. i do not admire the disrespect, nor the kindling of the flame that took place in this conversation. we went through this auctioning ordeal already, just last week. it makes me sad because it makes people angry and anger forces hate. and if this list becomes unable to stamp out the occasional blooms of hate, i will have to leave. i am sure there are many people that have already done so or are thinking about it. but i love this list. i find comfort, and amazement, in a list of over 1000 people who know each other personally and never lose sight of the purpose they joined the list. so, i invite all of you to delete with me. let's be quiet warriors. luna ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:58:09 -0600 From: "Trudeau, Tony" Subject: RE: INVITATION TO IGNORE I am sorry you feel that way. I do respect your feelings and your wishes to delete messages as you desire. Anger is a natural inborn feeling, and needs to be expressed. But, hate is much more severe than anger. An example, I have been angry at my mother, but I do not hate her. I am very angry at this auctioning, and I have chosen to flame. I would hate to think that I couldn't. You can not get away from anger or hate, they are a part of everyone. By nature of the people on this list, it will never become the pit that you think it will become, unless people like you stop posting about things that matter to them. >---------- >From: laura catherine taylor[SMTP:lctaylor@unm.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 9:50 AM >To: everyday angels >Subject: INVITATION TO IGNORE > >Dear EDA's and others > >i am inviting everyone to experience deletion. > >from now on, to prevent strife and threads of flaming, i will be >deleting any post that has the word auction or anything similar in >it. i woke up this morning and thought i would jump on the list >to see new info on jewel, hear about the shows from last night, >maybe find that someone absolutely loves the list, a question or >so from newbies or the standard everyday angel chatter. > >however, i read the biting banter of sir auctioner and those who >disagree with him. i do not admire the disrespect, nor the >kindling of the flame that took place in this conversation. > >we went through this auctioning ordeal already, just last week. >it makes me sad because it makes people angry and anger forces >hate. and if this list becomes unable to stamp out the occasional >blooms of hate, i will have to leave. i am sure there are many people >that have already done so or are thinking about it. > >but i love this list. i find comfort, and amazement, in a list of over >1000 people who know each other personally and never lose sight of >the purpose they joined the list. > >so, i invite all of you to delete with me. >let's be quiet warriors. > > >luna > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:15:03 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum Jason wrote: > i see nothing about NOT offering promos for sale/auction in the FAQ. it talks >about bootlegs, yes. read on.. Well at least you didn't just use the FAQ to pad your trash box like most people seem to do. >This isn't a commune. If I decide to sell an item from my collection or >spend the time to locate a rare item, I expect to be compensated for my >efforts or good fortune. Well, the fact that any item that has that much demand behind it shold ever become rear seems like real stupidity to me. The fact that these are rear just makes me sick. Sure, there probably isn't a person on this list that dosn't want a copy of STL (if they don't have one that is) and some of us are going to be willing to pay large sums of money to get one. I am not one of those people because I just don't fell like wasting money one someing in the name of collecting. >I acknowledge that this is simply a difference in opinion. However, I >have yet to understand what motivates this "cost plus shipping for the >greater good" philosophy. How about form the "Money is the root of all evil" philosophy. And it is. If we didn't have to deal with money life would be a much saver place. Why do a lot of criminals rob a store? For money and such. Most people here don't have 30$ yo blow on a CD. And so it becomes the peopel the all the cash taht get it while those of us that don't have the cash are left empty handed. Why should you not be auctioning this CD off? Can't think of any reason why not. I just don't think this list is the place to do it, at least not with the word auction in full caps on the subject line. I agree with the others on this one that you should just say you have it for sale and then tell the people that mail you that it's an auticion. Sure, this does make your job a little hearder cus you have to tell each person seperaly, but hey, there is not such thing as easy money. >The internet and this list serve many interests. I would hate to miss an >opportunity to purchase a rare Jewel item because some timid reader is >apprehensive about posting an item he or she wants to sell for fear of >reproach. Ok, yesterday Terrence R. Williams posted about his sight that will be to help EDA's get things (such as promos) by means of you poost what you are looking for and then people see if they can help them. What do you say Terrence? How about a "for sale" section? >i see it this way: by auctioning this promo 1) i'm giving someone in obscure city that doesn't have a cool record store and will NEVER see this >promo> a chance to obtain this CD, Ok, well it is possiable to get if off the internet though acutions. Maybe the only real advantage of you doing this is there are less people bidding. Then again, we are the more devoted people and we want the CD more then the pre-teen girl that goes to a concert and whines cus Jewel saves WWSYS for the till the end of the show so I don't think any one of us would do better with your auction then the ones that are going on all the time. >2) i'm giving everyone a chance to purchase this, because picking at random isn't fair And being shut out cus somone has more money then you is fair? >3) i'm making a little money for me to pay for my Jewel ticket this Friday There comes the "money is the root of all evil" bit again. >4) i have broken no rules because this was not mentioned in the FAQ. Very true. Seems as tho it will be now tho ;] MacAngel Wrote: >earlier. I would have much rather paid $30 for it than what I paid for mine. Ummmhummm. Don't worry. It won't stay at 30$. That is the point of an auction: to drive up prices as high as you can. Oh well. Ok, let me just finish up by saying that I did pick up the poetry book at the KC show. It cost me 10$ and was thinner then most peices of mail I recive. Was it worth it? Yes, without a doubt. Was the price way more then I would have liked to pay for it? Yes, without a doubt. Still I have no regrets about spending that much money on it. Why? Am I some collecter of things like this? No, I'm not or I would be tamering about trying to find all the old magazine apperances of her. I picked it up because I am a fan of Jewel and her poetry and just find her life intersting. I picked it up out of love for Jewel and not in the name of collecting. If I ever find STL at 30$ in a store or such I might bye it if I have the money. Not because it's rare, or because I collect rare Jewel CD's, but because I love the music. I couldn't care less about how much it's worth. All that matters is how much it is worth in my heart, and may I never own a copy if I have to bow down to auctions to get it. - -Ashe Mayfair: The Longshot Angel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 11:13:43 -0500 From: Gianfranco Covello Subject: NJC: what else can Jewel sing, STL auction... Ok, here's my two cents on some stuff. What do you guys think if she covered Hurt by Nine Inch Nails, in a real whispery voice. That would be soo gothic, at least I think. :) NOW... STL auctioning, I thought this was all over with, replied privately ;) Gianfranco (hoping to start a trend) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:15:39 -0600 (CST) From: Tien Dang Subject: Re: jewel singing bush songs!??!! Where did you guys hear that Jewel might do some BUSH songs. I was just wondering. I personally don't like BUSH and stuff. ;) heehee. *kidding* BUSH is COOL!!!!!!! Have a nice day!!! EDA in Houston, Tien "Somewhere...Sometime...All things will be fine"-BUSH ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:30:12 -0500 (EST) From: Grrly1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Fionna Apple In Pittsburgh In a message dated 4/2/97 2:24:40 AM, you wrote: >For anyone who missed my previous post, I wanted to mention this one more >time: >FIONNA APPLE WILL BE IN PITTSBURGH A WEEK FROM TONIGHT! > >She will be at Metropol on Tuesday, April 8th with "Morcheeba." Shes also going to be in New York City on april 13th and 14th. shes playing the supper club. Tickets are $17.50. and morcheeba is opening. does anyone know who this morcheeba is? Thirza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:34:16 -0800 From: Steve Subject: My bit on Jason's StL Auction Jason wrote: >second, as i wrote mike, what better place to help out a Jewel fan - who >needs "Save the Linoleum" to complete their collection - than a Jewel list? > if someone thinks that $30 is too expensive, they won't respond to my >post. it's that simple. if you think i'm taking advantage of any >listmembers, you're undersestimating their >intelligence. people know how much they have to spend on something. >i see it this way: by auctioning this promo 1) i'm giving someone in obscure city that doesn't have a cool record store and will NEVER see this >promo> a chance to obtain this CD, 2) i'm giving everyone a chance to >purchase this, because picking at random isn't fair, 3) i'm making a little >money for me to pay for my Jewel ticket this Friday, and for my time, 4) i >have broken no rules because this was not mentioned in the FAQ. Now, I think that Jason here is trying to make a fast buck using the guise of being a charitable StL provider. And Jason, it's not a matter of underestimating someone's intelligence, it's the fact that there are younger list members that WILL NOT understand the principles of economics and will break their little "piggy banks" to obtain one of the holy grails of Jewel fandom. While I do agree with Jason in that he does have the right to sell an item. But he says, "if someone thinks that $30 is too expensive...". Well, he's NOT selling it for $30, because it is an auction and he is trying to "making a little money for me to pay for my Jewel ticket this Friday, and for my time...". Your time for what? I have no beef with Jason if all he's doing is setting a price and selling something. But he's trying to get the fast buck and the "free Jewel ticket" at the expense of the list. YOU think Jewel would have put on JewelStock if she thought this list was just a CD auction-house. I THINK NOT. Heck, Jason, you could pump up the price as high as you like and sell it. But auctioning is just not in the best interests of the list, the listmaster, other EDAs, and negative e-mail to your inbox. I don't mean to just flame Jason, but he's the latest in the every growing craze to auction StL. Just remember, Jewel and her management take care of EDAs by providing information through this list's different members (Mike, Mr. BB, etc.). You turn this list into an auctionhouse and lose contact/trust with Jewel and her management. Steve Tze ratlab@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/9393 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 12:36:42 +0500 From: Eric Haglund Subject: NJC-Test I am just testing my e-mail. I don't think my messages are going through. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 1997 09:45:47 -0800 From: "Mark Olmos" Subject: New member, Introduction Hello, My name is Mark, and I am new on this mailing list. My wife, Mary, and I have been Jewel fans since we saw her open for Liz = Phair at the Wiltern Theater in Los Angeles in early May (?) of 1995. = After seeing her perform this first time, I had a feeling she would = become a major star. We decided to buy her CD and see her perform at any = chance we could get in the future. We have since seen her perform at: Tower Records (in store), Northridge, May, 1995. Actually, only my wife attended this show. She said that there were less than 20 people in the store to hear Jewel. 103.9 X-mas Fest, San Bernardino, Dec, 1995. This concert also featured No Doubt, Jill Sobule, The Rentals, and Moonpools and Caterpillars! The Roxy, West Hollywood, February 29, 1996. I thought she performed her best at this show. She sang "Rudolph the Red-Nose Reindeer" with her mom and her mom sang a lullaby she used = to sing to Jewel when Jewel was a child. Tower Records (in store), West Hollywood, March 28, 1996. There are probably many existing video tapes of this show since I = observed at least three people taping it. John Anson Ford Theater, Hollywood, May 4, 1996. She performed several songs with a backup band and was noticably = uncomfortable with them. She also didn't tell many stories between = songs. It seemed like she was following what her record company wanted = her to do. Del Mar Fairgrounds, San Diego County, June 29, 1996. There were many people videotaping this show also. We got to take pictures with Jewel after the show! KROQ Acoustic Xmas (Girls Night Out show), Dec 13, 1996. I think this concert helped convert a lot of people who may have not been = hard-core fans. Also, I think it was the first time many people had ever = heard her yodel. We will also be seeing her at both Los Angeles Wiltern shows and we will = be attending the KROQ "Breakfast/Pajama Party with Jewel" to be broadcast = on Thursday, April 3, 1997. (My wife was lucky enough to win tickets!). We had wanted to see her at the Mayan Theater on November 9, 1995, but we = saw Moonpools and Caterpillars at the House of Blues instead. Other artists I enjoy listening to or seeing perform include: Alanis Morissette The Smashing Pumpkins Radiohead Hole Tori Amos No Doubt Ani Difranco Fiona Apple Garbage The Muffs that dog Moonpools and Caterpillars (the drummer, Peter (aka Gugut), is our friend = and my wife's former co-worker.) Elvis Costello and the artist that has had the greatest impact on my life, Bob Dylan. Mark Olmos Mark.Olmos@trw.com and rvntrpy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:54:48 -0800 From: Steve Subject: LA show EDAs; Jewel on KROQ Thurs.; DAT request Fellow LA EDAs- I was wondering if there were any local gatherings going on for the LA Wiltern shows. I've heard of this Hot Dog Fest for the Berkeley/LA/SD goers, but what is it? And are there any gatherings before either night of the shows? And could someone let me know when the Rugburns/Jewel do their rehersal/soundchecks today, so that I can hopefully leave work early (yeah!!!) and listen in tomorrow (Thurs.). Jewel is planning a radio apperance tomorrow morning on KROQ (106.7FM). Kevin and Bean (DJs) have dubbed in PillowFest/Show, whatever. And they were giving out tickets this morning over the air. So set those tape decks for tomorrow morning. And I'm STILL looking for tapers of her recent shows, preferably DAT, but it's not that important what medium of tape. I'm wondering if anyone DID tape the Berkeley show, with all the pat-down security and all. I know that Ray and a few others were planning to tape, but I would like to know. :) Hope to see some of you EDAs tonight and tomorrow. I'll be on the right side (from the back) Orchestra GG row (I think). Please e-mail me privately about gatherings or any other info. Don't want to clog up the list with reader-specific e-mail. Thanks- Steve Tze - -------------------- ratlab@hotmail.com http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/9393 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 13:04:45 -0500 From: kelby@umich.edu Subject: VH1 tape, NY show Hi EDA's: I got a quick response from you guys that wanted the VH1 tape. Sorry, but I can't take any more requests for now. I already have my dozen. In fact, it turned into a baker's dozen. Doesn't anyone have that NYC March 3rd show on tape???? - -kel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:05:30 -0500 From: wdb@obl.bidmc.harvard.edu (William D. Bartholomew) Subject: njc: littlejohn sorry folks, but i saw a name i thought i recognized from high school days. could kim littlejohn please send me an email? it's not really important, but i went to high school with a kim l. i've not seen her since then. i miss her. thanks, bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:07:02 -0500 (EST) From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: MrBB--Important! Lotsa NEW Jewel Information Hello again everyone, Although some information is still in the process of being figured out, I do have a few interesting new things for you today. First, management is in the final stages of determining the European Tour itinerary. A "rough schedule" will be forthcoming hopefully by this coming weekend. I'll post this information as soon as I get it. Mike has offered to send out a special jewel-announce@smoe.org post that will have this information ,so that European folks will get this post quickly even if they are on the digest or news version of this list. So stay tuned on that. Second, we are discussing possible ideas on making the tour books available to anyone who didn't get the opportunity to purchase one at the shows. Info on that will also be posted soon. Please wait for the info before emailing me about this. OK. On to things you all will enjoy knowing..... 1)Jewel will shoot a new video--for the release of Foolish Games--probably on the 18th of April. It will be a live video and fans will be able to be in the audience. I will be finding out more details this weekend. Again, please do not email me about this until we get a chance to find out more. All info will be posted, I promise! :-) 2)Rolling Stone Magazine--Jewel will be on the cover of the next issue to hit the stands. 3)Jewel is also doing a cover for the music issue of Details magazine. It will be with Jacob Dylan of The Wallflowers. Dont know the issue date yet. 4) MAY 10th, 1997--Jewel will be the musical guest on Saturday Night Live. 5)On May 7th or 9th(not sure yet), Jewel will tape her very own MTV Unplugged. Air date is unknown at this point. Thats it for now. Hope I brightened up everyones day! I'll be elaborating on these things & will have more information on other things within a few days. I haven't heard much from you guys/gals about the "Jeweltide Carols" & "Jewel Rocks The Paradise" tape trees. Anybody enjoying these out there? Best wishes everybody! Alan(MrBB) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 12:18:57 -0800 From: Farr Subject: Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum 'Rev.' Jim Schramm wrote: > > OH NO!!!!! > Not again... > *sigh* > > Rev. Thats exactly what I said Rev. Not again. Please stop the MADNESS. Farr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:29:13 -0500 (EST) From: She Who Is Subject: The love on this list (was Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum) Hi, all! I am having a hard time believing that I am actually responding to one of these messages about auctioning on the list -- last week's auctioning-argument was a travesty to the list and I was to the point of almost being ashamed of all the individuals who simply refused to let it die. Having said that, I choose to state a couple of things about this week's intended auction. I love this list. I love the people on this list, and I like to think that we deserve the name "EveryDay Angels." Because of a list member's incredible generosity, I have been supplied with an incredible number of Jewel "bootleg" tapes. This having given me new faith in humankind, I sought to pass the favor on. Since then I have been helping to share the blessing of Jewel music with some of my fellow EDAs, and it gives me great pleasure to do so. One of the greatest pleasures in life is giving; I always thought I'd known this, but I was just kidding myself. I'd give only when it was convenient for me and when I reaped some kind of reward. But lately God has shown me the kindness of strangers who gave to me with no hope of repayment, and I have promised to myself that I shall continually look for ways to give, instead of ways to get, as I had been. I find that giving is a truly Angelic act, and after all, isn't that what we are all about on this list? Perhaps I am sadly disillusioned, but I believe that a great many of us are not on this list to discuss solely Jewel, but because we have found that others exist in this world of ours who seem to be what Anne of Green Gables calls "Kindred Spirits." This list has caused me to become more positive about my life, which has in turn caused my life to show more blessings to me. So what am I trying to say? I am saying that I love you all. I am saying that I thank you for what you have done and shown to me and for facilitating my growth. I am saying that I hope I have not put false hope and misplaced affection into this list. And I am saying that it is not in keeping with the spirit of this list to auction off Jewel merchandise -- or any other merchandise -- for self-profit. If you want to do that, go to the EveryDay-Americans list. Now, I have to qualify that last statement. I am proud to be an American. It beats most other countries in my mind. But I feel our society is very materialistic, gimmie-gimmie-gimmie, you know? And I don't agree with that. I look at money in a Spiritual way (I can't wait to be flamed for this), in which I see that a gimmie-gimmie-gimmie mindset actually repells money from you, where as "to those who give shall be given, so that they may give again." Unlike Ashe, I don't see money as the root of all evil. It is a part of life on the physical plane. I used to believe that if we got rid of money everything would be peachy-keen, but now I see that that isn't so. Because the power of money lies not in the money itself but in our own minds. Money is just pieces of paper, that we trade in exchange for goods or services. We need money; there is no inherent evil in it. The "evil" comes when we think "gimmie-gimmie- gimmie" -- those robbers Ashe talks about don't steal because of money, they steal because they WANT money and they think money will solve their problems. They give money a power that it doesn't really inherently have. So no, money isn't the root of all evil. Money is a gift, like everything else we have on this Earth, and we just have to learn to relate to it properly. So, Jason, auction the CD if you must, but don't do it on this list, and don't kid yourself into thinking you're being generous. Godbless, all! Christina ^ ^ ( \ / ) (_ \*/ _) (_ O _) ( s| > < |s ) ( / \ ) (/ / \ \) /angel\ --------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 13:48:21 -0500 From: Crunch Subject: Re: njc: littlejohn =) WE ALL MISS YOU, SILVER KAT!!! =) Please write! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:14:19 +0500 From: Eric Haglund Subject: Re: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum >so instead of bitching about your ISP and phone bill, why don't you charge >list members? you seem bent out of shape about having to do all this for >free. i'm sure my one post didn't spark all this anger. why do you have >to resort to name calling? "clueless people who can't figure out how to >subscribe.." - that's real nice, Jeff. Okay. I know we just got over a big debate on list auctioning and we all pretty much came to an agreement that this is neither the time nor the place so we don't need to get into that again. However to insult the person who makes this list possible solves absolutely nothing. This list is a gift to us. Jeff does not have to spend his time keeping this list up and running but he does and we all appreciate it. Therefore we don't need guys like you coming on the list and insulting him. It is disrespectful to Jeff and all the other EDA's. So if you're here because you enjoy Jewel that's great stay but if not then see you later buddy. >>Do you dig my ditch, Jason? Later-Eric "To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:18:01 -0600 From: "Johnson, Matt" Subject: Minneapolis 3/18 I am looking for a tape of the Minneapolis Jewel show. If anyone has this, please let me know as I am interested in obtaining a copy of it. Matthew T. Johnson Solution Developer Rainier Technology (612) 542-5527 mattj@rainier.com www.rainier.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 10:05:30 -0500 From: Mike Connell Subject: List Content: Why auctions of Jewel stuff is NOT desired on this list I am truly sorry to you all for not keeping this private. It's just that Jeff and I (and the rest of the list veterans who likely feel similar) have to let new folk know WHY auctioning of CDs (or anything) on this list is not desired. Jason wrote: >second, as i wrote mike, what better place to help out a Jewel fan - who >needs "Save the Linoleum" to complete their collection - than a Jewel list? > if someone thinks that $30 is too expensive, they won't respond to my >post. it's that simple. No, it's not that simple. You didn't say the cost was $30, you said "the current bid is $30". I think there's a wee bit of a difference there. > if you think i'm taking advantage of any list members, you're undersestimating > their intelligence. people know how much they have to spend on something. >i see it this way: by auctioning this promo 1) i'm giving someone in [enter] >obscure city that doesn't have a cool record store and will NEVER see this >promo a chance to obtain this CD, > 2) i'm giving everyone a chance to purchase this, because picking at > random isn't fair, * No, I think you are underestimating the intelligence here. There are over 800 Email addresses subscribed to Jewel and Jewel-digest, while some will partake in this auction (as you already announced it), most who have been around a while will not, as they will see that this is wrong (based on overall list philosophy), and you stand to gain more than you should. (point on that made later) * Random is ALOT fairer than an auction. How is auctioning fair to the 15 year old girl who adores Jewel to no end and has no more than the $30 the CD may have cost you? The 25-35 year old working class fan has a very HUGE advantage in an auction. Don't seem fair to me. Random may just be the fairest way of all, what is fairer than everyone having an EQUAL chance? * Hypothetical situation here. Suppose someone bid $75? to $100? (for some ungodly reason) THAT is one of the many reasons why we don't want auctions on this list. This list can not become an auction house (even though the auction would occur off the list and in private emails) and I'm quite sure *most* of the members agree....I know, those of us that have been here a while know the overall mindset of this list. You can tell me that if someone wants to spend that kind of money then that is up to them. But curiously, would you then tell them , "no, that's way to much money, I only want to make up the cost of my ticket and time"? and on that note, you also said: > i'm making a little money for me to pay for my Jewel ticket this Friday, and for my > time, * Why the heck should someone else (THE buyer of your CD) pay for your ticket? MANY list members went to a Jewel show on this tour (many went to quite a few and traveled many hours) I did not see ONE of them post to the list wanting to sell or auction an item to buy or pay for their ticket. (although many were dismayed they could not attend a show) Why not just let the CD sit where you bought it and use your money you spent on the CD for the ticket? Why spend the time looking for the CD if you don't want to keep it? If you already have a copy of the CD, and you are so concerned that a true Jewel fan gets the extra copy (as YOU said you want to "to help out a Jewel fan"), why not offer it at your cost plus shipping, as MANY do for Jewel items? Why do you have to be compensated for your time? Some may (and will) argue you are soley in it for the profit, I myself am not sure. > I have broken no rules because this was not mentioned in the FAQ. True, but this is not about rules. This is about wanting to "help out a Jewel fan" as you put it. Let me tell you about helping out a Jewel fan. * Last summer, Jewel announced she'd give a FREE concert for the members of this list, to show her appreciation for their support in the past. Many list members VOLUNTEERED alot of time, effort and money to put on this show (and didn't ask for a red cent for their time), as the rule was, the list members had to arrange everything. (except actual booking of the venue). 220 or more people came in from all over the USA for this show. (90 more had to cancel in the last days) * This list regularly runs tape trees of Jewel music, with much of the material for the more recent trees supplied by Jewel and her management. These trees are run on volunteered time, and by DOZENS of people subscribed to this list. Also, for each tree, list members design and print inserts (J-cards) for the tapes and don't ask for a red cent for their time or supplies. (well, once, in a special case, the 30 branches of a large tree chipped in for J-card supplies) * We regularly have list member get-togethers (one in San Diego this weekend) where list members volunteer their time to organize and publicize (web pages etc) these events. Again, not a red cent was asked for. ATTENTION List members, please don't ask what I am talking about in this next one, as things will be announced at a later date, likely 6 weeks or more away: * There are presently many 'behind the scenes' things going on that are being planned (all on volunteered time, as usual) for the enjoyment of fellow list members and other people as well (Sorry, it's NOT JewelStock II, that is VERY unlikely for this year) You see Jason, you stumbled upon a different kind of a list here. We truly give here. While your intent may have been true to that spirit (and I will admit I do have my doubts about that, I must be fair to you in that regard), you just went about it in the wrong fashion. I may get some flames for this post, but I really don't care. I know deep in my heart, soul and all of my being that I am right in this, at least in the overall mindset of this list. > am i a bad person, Jeff? Of course I can't speak for Jeff, but I do not at all think you are a bad person, as I have only 'known' you via Emails a few hours now. I'm not sure there are any 'bad persons' on this list. We had a case before where a list member caused me (and others) much anguish, time and money with a dilemma related to a list project. For a while I wanted this person to just go away. We are friends now, and I am very glad of that. :) An EDA who loves this list and all it stands for, Mike /\//\\///\\\////\\\\/////\\\\\//////\\\\\\/////\\\\\////\\\\///\\\//\\/\ \ New to the list and confused? Need to find a members' Email addy? / / This and more helpful info can be found in the "Jewel Mailing List \ \ Netiquette And New Member Guide" at http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup / / ducksoup@spectra.net /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ DuckOfPrey@AOL.com \ \/\\//\\\///\\\\////\\\\\/////\\\\\\//////\\\\\/////\\\\////\\\///\\//\/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 09:44:19 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: the Nields Paul2k@aol.com wrote: > > Well, last week, I saw the Nields open for Moxy in Baltimore at Fletchers > (where Cindy Lee Berryhill and Elizabeth Hummel will be playing). This was a > TINY club with about 60 people in attendance, all pretty much die-hard > Fruheads. The show started around 10:30 pm. The Nields were their usual > rocking fun selves (although since no one new them and they were a little > pressed for time, they didn't do a lot of banter. And Dave Nields didn't > jump around a lot because there was a support beam hanging low over his > head). Nerissa didn't have a cast on her leg, but she did need crutches when > she left the venue (she fell off the stage a short while ago and broke some > bone in her leg). Yep, she broke her leg when she fell off a stage in a venue in the Carolinas. Here in Atlanta, the cast was still pretty fresh...and she was still getting used to crutches. I got to see them live at last...and they were cool...and they also were downstairs at the bar watching X-Files on the big screen tv before their show...my hubby & I were at a neighboring table (we're also big X-Files freax). When you see Nields, make sure to sign up on their fan list...cause I'm getting their mailings now & they're fun! The Nields will be playing in Atlanta again sometime during the Midtown Music Festival in early May. It's a three day outdoor music extravaganza with a lot of hard rock & other acts I don't care to sit through. So I won't be going just to see the Nields again. I guess I'm just too old to sit on a blanket on the hard (and maybe wet) ground for 8 hours or more...waiting to see just one band I like, while surrounded by beer-swilling hard rock fans. I did Woodstock & Watkins Glen...I've had my fill, thank you. But the next time Nields come to a nice venue like Atlanta's Smith's Olde Bar...I'll be there again...with bells on! Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:50:49 -0600 From: "Trudeau, Tony" Subject: RE: AUCTION: Save the Linoleum Sorry to all those who don't want to read about negativity, but I never hold back my feelings. And I am upset with this... >so instead of bitching about your ISP and phone bill, why don't you charge >list members? you seem bent out of shape about having to do all this for >free. i'm sure my one post didn't spark all this anger. why do you have >to resort to name calling? "clueless people who can't figure out how to >subscribe.." - that's real nice, Jeff. So that only a few people can stay on the list and be subjected to more jerks like you. That sounds like fun. Point blank, you are taking advantage of people's intimate desire to have something. >first of all, you know i subbed a few days ago and this was before i got >this promo. if you believe this or not matters none - i know it to be >true. i will be on the digest now, because this list has too much traffic. And that somehow makes what you are doing right? I would read your statement to mean that if you would have joined the list to auction and take advantage of EDA's that would have been wrong. But, to join the list, because you like Jewel, and then later take advantage of EDA's is right? > i'm here for jewel info, and just so happened to have a CD for >sale/auction. am i a bad person, Jeff? I think you are. I would never take advantage of people I care about. >second, as i wrote mike, what better place to help out a Jewel fan - who >needs "Save the Linoleum" to complete their collection - than a Jewel list? > if someone thinks that $30 is too expensive, they won't respond to my >post. it's that simple. if you think i'm taking advantage of any >listmembers, you're undersestimating their >intelligence. people know how much they have to spend on something. That's not true. It is common place to pay much more than worth for something in this society. It is not a measure of intelligence, but rather the degree of want, which can often be close to a need. Sometimes due to legitimate costs this is unavoidable. You are just trying to make a quick buck. >i see it this way: by auctioning this promo 1) i'm giving someone in obscure city that doesn't have a cool record store and will NEVER see this >promo> a chance to obtain this CD, And I'm sure we'll worship you as our hero. > 2) i'm giving everyone a chance to >purchase this, because picking at random isn't fair, And you have proven to be so fair... > 3) i'm making a little >money for me to pay for my Jewel ticket this Friday, and for my time, ROFL You are a jerk! Your time? If there was any doubt in anyone's mind of your intentions, this was the clincher. > 4) i >have broken no rules because this was not mentioned in the FAQ. It shouldn't have to be mentioned. >Do you dig my ditch, Jason? >how's the coffee, Jeff. :) That heart donor come through for you yet? Tony T. >---------- > ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #237 ***************************