From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #96 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Thursday, February 13 1997 Volume 02 : Number 096 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I haven't said anything in a while Re: NJC: Re: jewel a lesbian njc re: jewel a lesbian? NJC: Joni Mitchell Pieces of Me? NJC: Rugburns in Fullerton Re: NJC: Hypothetical EDA Gathering Sites lesbian WHO CARES NJC:Re: Gotta EARN That MOM CD! Lizstock events Re: emotive songs Re: 3 worst/annoying songs Re: NJC:Re: Gotta EARN That MOM CD! NJC: folkness "Friends"&"Lesbian lover day" NJC:Please read this... Refreshments Re: re: Best New Artist curse Re: Pieces of Me? NJC: Re: Best New Artist curse NJC:Re: Please read this... npc: squirrel nut zippers Jewel being a lesbian Re: Barenaked Ladies NJC Folk Artists. Re: NJC:Re: Please read this... Re: Pieces of Me? Re: njc re: jewel a lesbian? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:46:09 -0700 From: Shaun Jackson Subject: I haven't said anything in a while So Blah!!!!!!!! ;) - -- "I am just a man with a dream of the future, a loving wife and happy children. In this age of lost hope and unhappy endings. I just pray that my mom was right. That dreams do come true if you beleve in them." -Shaun Jackson "Dreams are the souls hope for the future. Therefore, if you stop dreaming your soul has lost its hope, then there is no hope for the future." -Shaun Jackson "The "world" that you see around you was created by yourself, through your own actions and thoughts. So if you don't like what you see it is your own fault. With that in mind why don't you change your "world" for the better?" -A statement from a friend to a friend ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:46:01 -0500 (EST) From: Stancky@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC: Re: jewel a lesbian i think not!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:54:46 -0500 From: bell@mclv.net Subject: njc re: jewel a lesbian? >>Was that a waste of bandwidth or what? If you're going to send a >>message, a least put one meaningful sentence in it! >> >>Todd And you call *THAT* meaningful? Please... I think people waste more bandwidth by whining about wasting bandwidth than anything else... :) Just a thought... - --Lisa "Your hands manifest thought." -Jewel Multi-Comm Las Vegas Nv. 208.129.48.2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:14:13 -0500 (EST) From: Rachel Kramer Bussel Subject: NJC: Joni Mitchell I've only heard the remixed FRIENDS version of "Big Yellow Taxi" once or twice, but I'll second Mark's post on "Miles of Aisles" - wonderful album and wonderful artist. I just got a biography of her called BOTH SIDES NOW, and it's really fascinating - Joni Mitchell's not her given name at all (I don't have it in from of me, but it's Roberta Joan A.... and then she married Chuck Mitchell and goes by Joni). Anyway, it'd be cool if Jewel covered one of her songs - lots of my other favorite artists (The Innocence Mission, Natalie Merchant, Sarah McLachlan, and someone told me Tori Amos, etc.) have. So check her out, either Hits or Miles of Aisles for way better songs than that weird remix thing. :) Rachel "my troubled mind I can't confide" -- Patti Rothberg "The true and the great and the scared and the small Be kind to each other, be kind to them all" -- Kirsty MacColl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:01:54 -0500 From: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net (Scott Broughton) Subject: Pieces of Me? I'm gonna try and describe something to you all, but I'm not sure if I can tell it the way it should be told. I'll start with a story. This might get long, but it's important to me. If you do choose to start reading it, please don't stop. There is a boy in my grade named Brad. He's a faggot. People want to hurt him, they want to kick in his brains. I know he makes them sick to their stomaches. In fact just yesterday, I was sitting on the benches by all the lockers waiting for the bell to ring. There were two freshman sitting near me, and one of them, Shawn, was in cross country with me. I'd say we are friends (I'm a junior), at least we get along and I like having him as a teammate. Brad was down the hall talking to some girls who are his friends, and he said something like, "Don't even go there with that, don't you dare." Just like a fag. The freshman, Shawn, said something to his friend like "God, don't you just want to *kick the shit out of him*?" His friend said, "Yeah, but you'd have to kick him a long him, there's a lot of gayness in him." Shawn isn't a mean person, and like I said, I'd call him my friend. I said nothing, just sat there but in my mind I thought of asking, "Do you hate him, 'cause he's pieces of you?" But even more than that, I thought of saying "Do you hate *me*, 'cause I'm pieces of him?" But I'm not Brad, and I could never say anything like *that*. Brad and I were best friends growing up. But about that time in junior high when the popular sheep gathered into their flocks, I decided to follow the crowd. Brad scared me. He still does. Because he's a living mirror. He's a living Pieces of You. Today is impossible to describe, but I'll do my best. Today, Brad wore this really odd blazer, a tie, and had his pants rolled up. The situation was so weird, it's almost funny. But funny is exactly how I wouldn't describe it. No, the word I'd use is tragic. Brad is not tragic. In fact, he has more courage than most people I know. I would say that I almost admire him, but can you say that you admire people you hate? People's reactions to him were various and sometimes curious. Whenever anyone said in class (usually sarcastically), "You look nice today, Brad," he would say "Really? Thank you." Not once did he say something like "I can't believe I wore this" or "No I don't." He dressed like a freak with pride. But I'm not proud to say most people saw him like that, a freak. There were some girls who agreed, saying, "Yeah, you do look nice today. Don't you think he looks nice?" Brad didn't look nice. But he did to them. They were sincere. They weren't afraid if they were just the same. And then there were the sheep who laughed and thought it was just hilarious. It's amazing how people can laugh at another person. How they can want to hurt another person. But what did I do? I just sat there watching. I'm not Brad's best friend anymore. You could say I'm his worst friend by doing nothing. I hate him deep down because he's pieces of me. No, I don't hate him. I hate me. Can anyone admire someone that they hate? I have to stop now, before I cry the tears I'm sure he never has, Scott e-mail: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net IRC: #rotterham on EFnet listserv: midnightclub@attitude.org nickname: Wagner Angel Needs A Ride: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/angel.html The Midnight Club: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/midnightclub.html "Sometimes I feel the same." - Jewel Kilcher, _Fragile Flame_ "I am the Starlight Crystal. I am Sati." - Christopher Pike, _Sati_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:51:32 -0800 From: Sinjin Subject: NJC: Rugburns in Fullerton Anyone know where the Rugburns are playing in Fullerton tomorrow? If so, do you have the phone number? If I can find out, I'm there...who else is in? +Sinjin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:43:35 -0500 From: tiltedhalo@juno.com ('Tom Harris') Subject: Re: NJC: Hypothetical EDA Gathering Sites I was swimming in a sea of bliss when Neal Tsay spoke... :-> :-> Question: Does anybody know if this place still exists? Or is it :-> another Innerchange (no longer exists)? ... :-> While we're at it, we could visit the nearby 800-acre homestead, get our :-> own jar of dirt, and try our hand at thawing outhouses--best outhouse :-> thawer gets a prize to be determined later. :-> You get..... A free yodelling lesson!!!!! ;-) :-> Then, after we're rolling in the dough, we can expand to five other :-> locations in ... Jewell Ridge VA, :-> Okay, I checked this place out on the map. It's way south.... way-way-way south, past Danville even. And from what I know of SW Virginia... (I live here, after all) That area is bound to be hard pressed for some "Pieces of You". - ---/- Tim Gavin, The only true paranormal of the Fu Sheng beaver sed... :-> I was lucky enough to be blessed with a deep, bass voice. :-> Unfortunately, most of the rest of the world wasn't. Especially :-> singers. Has anyone else noticed this? I love to sing along to :-> stuff, but that means I either am in pain from singing too high :-> for me, or I sing it in my comfortable range (usually an octave :->or two or three low) and sound funny. Oh well. :-> Two names: Brad Roberts and Garrison Keilor. (of "Crash Test Dummies" and "Praire Home Companion" respectively, in case you didn't know.) I love those guys' voices. The difference is to be enjoyed and I think it's great that they found a way to use their voice. Especially Garrison, I can't think of anything else he'd possibly be doing. - ---/- K.Adams sed... :-> My mother is getting tired of me on the computer, so, i won't be :-> writing in for a few days (she just doesn't understand our :-> connection has been slow for a few days). But, it's not like :-> anyone writes to me on the list anyways =( :-> hmmph.... Well it's just that some of us here *can't* write you, dear. I mean, I certainly would.... and I'm sure Liz and sarah and Bruce and Neal and others would too. But nooo.... I guess we're just not worth hearing. You probably don't even know we exist. Well one day you will.... yes, one day EVERYONE will know who we are! And they will kneel before us! Yes!! They will bow down before us and..... uhh, hehe.... *ahem* - ---pat "A copy of the universe is not what is required of art; one of the damned things is ample." -- Rebecca West ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:04:52 -0500 From: Andrew Chandler Subject: lesbian WHO CARES I know some of you would like to know whether or not Jewel is a lesbian. One, only she, and the people she has decided to tell, know. Second, it doesn't affect her as a musician, so it really doesn't matter. I'm saying this since I just got about 20 messages discussing whether they think Jewel is a lesbian or not. I personally think she isn't, (haven't you guys see the YWMFM video?) but like I said, it does NOT matter. Andrew, ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:11:24 -0500 (EST) From: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: NJC:Re: Gotta EARN That MOM CD! Oh geez, haven't I made you laugh and cry already?! Haven't I put you through the emotional wringer yet? Well, ok, here's some more (you asked for it).... Since I was a mere three years old, I have longed, nay YEARNED for the MOM CD. Oh I know, you're probably thinking, "the MOM CD wasn't even out yet. In fact, they hadn't invented CD's yet". And you would be right. EXCEPT that I was a very bright child. Very bright indeed, and one day after my poor three-legged dog Henry died saving a child from drowning, I had a vision. In this vision there was a beautiful golden haired angel singing the most beautiful song I had ever heard (or would ever hear, me being only three at the time). Well, over the years, I have forgotten what the song sounded like but still remember it's timeless beauty and para-earthly essence. What was that song, you ask? Yes, it was called Quiet Warrior. And since during this "dream", I could faintly hear my MOM in the background telling me to wake up, I have always connected the two. Now I know why. (Schmaltzy music plays). And THAT, friend, is why I must have the MOM CD! Pass the Kleenex - Amy :-) (ok, so I may have embellished just a little. It's called poetic license!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:17:33 EST From: jewelfan1@juno.com (Liz A Clark) Subject: Lizstock events Hello Angels =) It's Shelly. I just wanted to remind all of you who are attending the festivities this weekend that Liz and I have Broomball games on Saturday night @ 10:30 & 11:30. I am the coach and Liz is on my team. Broomball is girls hockey. A great sport and definitely a trip to watch! So anyways, we would definitely love all of you who will be here to come to the games. You are however welcome to stay at our humble adobe while we are gone, but I know Liz and I would love to have you come watch and cheer our team on! I know the game times are pretty late but hockey gets first priority in Toledo, so we get stuck with crappy ice times. There is a little restaurant and bar in the ice arena or you can hang out in the stands whatever your pleasure. A guaranteed good time, especially listening to me scream my lungs out. I'm not mean, I just get a little excited! We're probably going to get our butts kicked because were playing the #1 and #2 teams, so that is why we need your support! Liz might even score a goal for you! Anyhow... We are very excited and are anxiously awaiting everyones arrival! See you soon!!! =)Shelly I know that it sounds cliche, but I'm tired of all this violence ~Steven J. Poltz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:49:45 -0600 From: "Enigmatic Paradox" Subject: Re: emotive songs > Just add "Nightswimming" by REM to my dusty little corner of that list. I > love that song to death, and I can't help but get caught up in it. ahhh... me too. That is the greatest song ever written, and Automatic for the People is the greatest CD ever made. Every song on it is so EMOTIVE (or something) and I just love it. 'Everybody Hurts.' That song is so sad, the first time I heard it was last summer, deep into the night on the radio(I don't know any music released before about '93) . I almost cried listeing to it, and I bought the CD a week later... right now it's living right next to my CD player (which is currently taken up by 311--white boy suck rap :) ) anyway anyone who doesn't love REM is either crazy or on some drug. IMO. CJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 20:53:27 -0600 From: "Enigmatic Paradox" Subject: Re: 3 worst/annoying songs > this goes for smashing pumpkins too nyeh. Billy Corgan is like God. (j/k) close enough. > and my 3rd would have to be that stupid bone thugs "n" harmony song... > whatever "n" is supposed to be... double nyeh. Not that I like them but I have to have some kind of loyalty, I own the CD. Besides some songs are good... And look at me, I'm predjudiced AGAINST BTnH!!!!!!!!!! So there. But I love "that stupid bone thugs "n" harmony song..." that is if you mean tha crossroads. IT MEANS A LOT. but yeah you're right. rap sucks. Some rap. I hold white boy rap very near and dear to my heart. (uhhh yeah..... ok?) and I LIKE BTnH!!!!!!!! Oh and what about Jewel rapping in Under the Water??? (j/k) and MY SONGS THAT SUCK 1) any modern R&B like that Ooh Ahh song, that spice girls song, Kieth sweat, etc etc etc. It is all like cut and paste music, it all sucks. Actually I don't even listen to the radio much anymore, but I do listen in the morning (the nausia from modern radio is what wakes me up :) ) and what I hear even in that short time is enough to make me truly and honestly sick. It all sucks... it is so simple minded and NONE of those female R&B singers can actualy SING!!!! I would really love that music if it had any sign of intellegence behind it and if the singers actually had some kind of talent. All you hear is girls with mediocre voices straining to hit high notes in a heavy voice. Then end up sounding like dying camels. 2) the dance mix of Don't Cry for me Argentina. I heard it on the radio one nighnt, by accident--I just turned the radio on and it was on!!!! AAAAAAAUUUGH!!! It gave me nightmares for weeks afterwards :). I almost cried listening to it.. Evita is the greatest musical movie ever made, and damn close to the best MOVIE ever. The music rules. Trust modern music to take it and twist it around till it sucks just like everything else they pump out. it's like some big music machine that takes good music, good tunes, and good singers and spits them out into little dry squares, kind of like the food they always talk about in SciFi books like theyll eat in the future. Do you know what i'm talking about? I doubt it. ANyway, the dance mix of DCFMA made me cry when I heard it so don't let the radios play it anymore!! And everyone go out and see Evita NOW ok? 3) i cna't think of any more.. i really don't listen to the radio much... hmm... oh, right. MARYLIN MANSON. I cna't stand him. yuck. Ugh. he sends shivers down my spine. Well actually I've never even heard any of his songs, except sweet dreams, and I love that song. But the thought of him makes me sick. so i don't know if that counts? 4) CELINE DION "All by myself" i guess to make up for that i have to put my favorite songs in. Like my favorite NEW songs. 1. anything by WEEZER!!! WHOO WHOO WHOO WHOO!!!! 2. that song.. it's really sad.. it used to make me think of my ex boyfriend but not anymore b/c i like someone else now.. it's called something wierd, like "I was meant for you" or somethign? It's by that new singer called Jale or Tool or Jude or something, she's pretty cool. Have any of you ever heard of her? 3. I don't know if tey stil play this on the radio but last time i listened they did "mouth" by merril bainbridge. Sometimes I need a little pop break :) too much heavy folk can get to my head.. besides, she has a gorgeous voice, even though she may just be a little chunk of poppy poppy mainstream pop. Pop music rules... it's because of that that we have bands like Weezer, Letters to Cleo, Fountains of Wayne, and so many other shallow but wonderful bands. Well I couldn't call Weezer shallow, but theyr'e sound it. Weezer is so much more than Buddy Holly it's not funny!!!!!!! 4. "A long december" by Counting Crows. Every morning, they play it at 6:38 or so and it just brightens up my day. I love that song! 5. WHITE BOY RAP!! Rules. Cake, 311, Beck, etc etc. The songs suck but it's all so funny I can't help but love it. 6. Geggy Tah or whatever there name is. I've never even heard the song on the radio but I heard it once on my frineds diskman.. I love it. it shows that modern radio may not suck all that much. As long as it is succesfuly taken over by POP! WHOO HOO!! 7. the Cardigans. more pop. rock rock on. 8. the wallflowers, the refreshments, goldfinger (is that still modern or not?) and dishwalla MORE perfect pop!!! Love that... mmmm..... that's all I have to say at this time. snoxies and lovies and mashed potatoes CJ--poster child for pop music lehmann@bmtc.net * peachfuzz27@hotmail.com * gloriana13@hotmail.com peace * love * lythe ....on the advice of my attorney this sig file has no comment at this time... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:43:55 -0800 From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Subject: Re: NJC:Re: Gotta EARN That MOM CD! Amy gets my vote for getting the MOM CD. Concidering how young she is, it's best that you first send it to me for review. Then if Amy gets back to being an active contributor to the list, I'll forward it to her. Amy, you've been a bad girl. Igor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:39:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Tim Gavin, The only true paranormal of the Fu Sheng beaver." Subject: NJC: folkness Dan Starks: I said that it's a matter of ARTIST classification, not music. Like you said, Jewel writes folk music. But, right now, she's a popular artist. I'm not saying that there's anything intrinsically wrong with being popular--that thread has been discussed already--I'm just saying. Please read it all. And no, i don't dump ana artist as soon as they become popular--in fact I dislike the trend of doing so--because music is still music, no matter who's behind it. If a real jerk wrote great music, but you didn't know they were a real jerk, you'd listen to the music. Unfortuntely, in out media/video age, people know all about a artist, and judge their music by that. I hope I cleared that up. tim gavin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:03:15 -0500 (EST) From: Grrly1@aol.com Subject: "Friends"&"Lesbian lover day" In a message dated 2/13/97 3:09:53 AM, you wrote: >>>Of course you know, everyday is 'Lesbian Lover Day'! (from that >episode of >>>Friends where Ben is born, I think)... > > >hahaha... good one... Too bad us bi-sexual's don't get as much >attention... guess we're not "deviant" ENOUGH.... laugh...... >Multi-Comm Las Vegas Nv. 208.129.48.2 Okay i felt i *had* to say something since you had quoted my all time favorite show...and i *am* the champion of Friends trivia. okay...thsi is one of my favorite friends quotes: Susan:"Theres a mothers day and a fathers day...but there no lesbian lover day" Ross:"Everyday's Lesbian lover day" love that one...i used to be a total fanatic about the show...but not so much anymore. now i'm just a jewel fanatic...you cant have to many obsessions at one time ;) oh well...i'm done...."Woo hoo Geek!"-monica one more.... Joey:"Ross, check it out. Hockey tickets...penguins and rangers tonight at the garden, and were taking you" Chandler:"Happy birthday man" Ross:"haha...its funny...my birthday was seven months ago" Joey:"so?" Ross:"so, i'm guessing you had an extra ticket and couldnt decide which one of you got to take a date?" Chandler:"Well, arent we 'Mr.The-glass-is-half-empty-'?" Ross:"You know...i think i'm just gonna pass on the game, go home and think about my ex-wife and her lesbian lover" Joey:"To hell with hockey! lets all do that!" hee hee...sorry for it being so long...its on the Friends soundtrack at the end of track 7 if you want to look for it =) Thirza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:05:52 -0500 From: Brendan Carroll Subject: NJC:Please read this... One person's letter on here really touched me today. I haven't said anything about it yet, but, I myself have thought about being gay. I've thought about what it would be like to be. Since I have thought about it, I would never ridicule someone for there sexual preference. Maybe I'm not homosexual, but, having thought about it, I can see where there thoughts are, to an extent. I'm not just saying briefly thought about it for about 5 minutes, either. It's really a thing that I keep learning from. I figure that there will be people that will be gay no matter what happens in life, and we might as well try to learn about it instead of being *mindless sheep*. When I do think about it, I can't bring my mind to hate people that are gay, because they are people first, before anything, and you should love a person for who they are completely. I think...."what if I were gay, would I want people doing that to me...?..." No, I would not. It must break a person's heart to have someone hate them because those people that do are ignorant. I think Socrates said that ignorance breeds evil, and that certainly fits in this case. I wonder how many times a person has gone home and just sat on there bed and cried because of things like this, not just homosexuality, but, all ignorance. I can think of many times that I have, but, I've had to keep going with life, and I'm sure that most of you can relate to this fact. Therefore, I will NOT judge anyone upon the way that God made them. That's it...I hope that a lot of you read this, don't just write it off as another link in the chain. Brendan. ******************************************************************* *There are as many opportunities as the stars in the sky, * *but you only get a handful of them. Why do you think that is? * *It's because no one knows where they are. * *Are you going to let an opportunity that you can see pass by you?* *...Urd * ******************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:12:15 -0500 (EST) From: Grrly1@aol.com Subject: Refreshments In a message dated 2/13/97 4:04:16 AM, you wrote: >How could you like that? Every damn song is about getting drunk in Mexico. >The two singles were pretty cool but the rest of the album just blew. > >Danke, >Casey Yeah...and? is there something wrong with meaningless songs? geez...not everyones a jewel ya know? The refreshments "Fizzy Fuzzy big and buzzy" is a GREAT album to rock out to...they have awesome instrumentals and the lead singers got a nice voice. and i LOVE the song "girly"...sometimes people might not want to concentate on Lyrics that are so deep you cry everytime you hear them...sometimes you just want to sit down and relax, so dont put down other people musical tastes...and mabye some people LIKE getting drunk in mexico...hee hee... "Girly wont you pull these nails from my heart"-Refreshments Thirza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:30:20 -0500 (EST) From: Grrly1@aol.com Subject: Re: re: Best New Artist curse In a message dated 2/13/97 3:58:55 AM, you wrote: >i was not just talking about teeny-bopper, punk high >schoolers. i dont givce a damn about them, they dont know what theyre >doing anyways. Well Excuse the f*ck outta me! but i did have a right two awnser with the highschool question because you DID say "if you took a poll of everyone age 3 to 98" and i may not be the best at math but i'm pretty sure high schoolers fall in that age range (correct me if i'm wrong) and most highschoolers (except for the few clueless ones) Arent teenyboppers! as i have said before teeny boppers are *usually* (NOT ALWAYS) pre-teens who follow trends, and a heck of a lot of the teens in my school are anything but that! i mean we have rappers, nirvana freaks MM fans R&B people and yes even folkies....so dont get an attitude with me boy (and i dont give a damn about your friends either) =P Sorry...but he was being a jerk and made me mad. Thirza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: Grrly1@aol.com Subject: Re: Pieces of Me? In a message dated 2/13/97 4:58:36 AM, you wrote: >I'm not Brad's best friend anymore. You could say I'm his worst >friend by doing nothing. I hate him deep down because he's pieces of me. >No, I don't hate him. I hate me. Can anyone admire someone that they hate? > >I have to stop now, before I cry the tears I'm sure he never has, >Scott Wow...i have to say that this is the first post that has ever made me cry. if someone had written the story it may have not effected me the same. its the way that you phrased everything its so beautiful...that last line "no i dont hate him. i hate me. can anyone admire someone that they hate" it is like pure poetry...i'm not sure if you meant it to come out this way...but like jewel...Accidental poetry is he best poetry. thank you for sharing this. Thirza ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:02:50 -0500 (EST) From: NAdlerX@aol.com Subject: NJC: Re: Best New Artist curse Now, i don't want to start a riot here.:::donning helmet::: But, you say "teeny bopper, punk high schoolers", it makes all highschoolers sound like airheads or burnouts. i know, you named specific types(at least i sound hope that you were referring to them only) but i live right next to Yale, supposedly one of the best in the world, right? i could take thousands of pictures and give you profiles for a lot, and i do mean a LOT of Yalies that are "teeny boppers" who say the word "like" every other word and use big sentences to sound smart(i like to test them sometimes, you'd be amazed how unpractical their knowledge is) or "punks" who like to let Mr. Warner(M.Manson) lead them around the world of trends by their nose rings. i never hold this against anyone, even when they give me a reason to, but to condemn me(a :::gasp::: high school senior) as someone who doesn't derserve "a f*ck" and to blindly....wait a minute, no one said MY name. i know i'm an exception to any teeny boppers or punks and i take pride in knowing that only i decide what i like. Hmm. There goes my whole argument. Shot to hell. But i do think it's kind of ignorant to make a generalized statement such as that. Yeah they're out there, but please don't lump the rest of us in with them. There's my point! --Evan, "waiting for this goddamn bell" "Don't adjust your mind, reality is faulty" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:00:02 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: NJC:Re: Please read this... > When I do think about it, I can't bring my mind to hate people that are >gay, because they are people first, before anything, and you should love a >person for who they are completely. Toni has told me about a few of her friends who are gay; the answer uniformly seems to be that their "preference" is what feels natural to them. It's wired in from birth as far as they're concerned. How could you hate someone who was born with the wrong gonads for their brain? It's as bad as hating someone because they were born with their hands reversed, or their ears crooked. One of the reasons this cuts pretty deeply is that she briefly dated a guy who had M.D. -- he died two years ago today, and we just went to put flowers on his gravesite tonight. People are people inside; just because their body parts don't work the same as mine doesn't mean I have a reason to hate or fear them. - -- | Greg Dunn | don't open your eyes, you won't | | GregDunn@aol.com | like what you see. the blind | | gregdunn@indy.net | have been blessed with security. | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn | Trent Reznor | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:26:52 -0600 From: "Enigmatic Paradox" Subject: npc: squirrel nut zippers > >Is there anybody here who can comment on this North Carolina band? Are > >they worth spending $12 on for a concert? > > I haven't seen them...yet, but I'd sure spend the 12 bucks. It's sure to be > a really different, interesting show. If all you've heard are the radio > singles, you might not know there is a female lead singer who does half the > songs on their CDs, and she's outstanding! I don't know when this question was asked but I saw the reply and just HAD to respond. Squirrel Nut Zippers is a wonderful band and you should DEFINATELY go to the concert!!! Last year a friend of my dad's asked him (my dad) what band he (his friend) should bring to USD (Vermillion, SD) for a semester-break concert, and my dad, who had recently discovered SNZ on Public Radio and bought the CD. So SNZ came up to SD!! I wanted to go SO BAD, but I had a rehearsal for the play I was in so :( I couldn't, but my dad was there and he said the band's energy was really great but not many people had heard of them so the concert wasn't even full. That was pretty sad. I would have loved to be there if there were definately fans there!! Anyway if you come from some place where people know of SNZ, then you should DEFINATELY go b/c there's going to be ENERGY and that would rule. yeah. So go. CJ Scwenchville: http://www.bmtc.net/~lehmann/cj.html lehmann@bmtc.net * peachfuzz27@hotmail.com * gloriana13@hotmail.com peace * love * lythe ...on the advice of my attorney this sig file has no comment at this time... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:04:02 -0600 From: "Enigmatic Paradox" Subject: Jewel being a lesbian I've been reading all this Jewel as a lesbian stuff, and i suddenly remembered that I had a Jewel lesbian story!!! And yeah i'm sure you ALL want to hear it.. but... to bad. you're going to. OK so like I was in French class, which is the class in which everyone talks alot to eachother b/c it's the damn coolest class in school, and we were listening to the radio and practicing pointillism (Georges Seraut) and the song "Come to my window" by Mellisa Etherige (ms) was on. One of the guys said, "EW, Melissa Etheridge, she's a lesbian" someone else said ":yeah" and the first guy said "Isn't she married to Jewel??" and we all were like "NO!!" and I can't remember but i think he said "Alanis then?" then but I can't really remember. Anyway that's pretty wierd that this would come up on the list. And of course I see NOTHIGN at all wrong with Jewel being a lesbian, that would rule, but frankly I don't see how she could be. How can you date Steve Poltz and still be a lesbian?? It just doesn't work :)... of course I never thought Mellisa Etheridge was until i read in Rolling stone that she was (I'm way gone in modern issues, I live in the middle ages) But even though I don't care if Jewel is a lesbian, I know someone----ON ThIS LIST-----who would go psycho if she was. He wants to marry her I think. Can you imagine, ME friends with a HOMO-f***ing-PHOBIC? how wierd. conservatives suck (j/k of course, please please dont' yell at me!!) i'm hungry CJ oh and PS on the Weezer mailing list we always have arguments about the band being gay, it's so annoying. Half the list is homophobic, it makes me SICK the things they say, like "I hope noone in Weezer is gay, because then I wouldn't be able to listen to them anymore" and "gay people just make me sick" GOD how can people be so shallow minded? People make me sick. I like dinosaurs. I'm hungry Scwenchville: http://www.bmtc.net/~lehmann/cj.html lehmann@bmtc.net * peachfuzz27@hotmail.com * gloriana13@hotmail.com peace * love * lythe ...on the advice of my attorney this sig file has no comment at this time... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:52:15 -0600 From: "Enigmatic Paradox" Subject: Re: Barenaked Ladies > Their song "Shoebox" (of *Lies*) oh, whatever :) CJ Scwenchville: http://www.bmtc.net/~lehmann/cj.html lehmann@bmtc.net * peachfuzz27@hotmail.com * gloriana13@hotmail.com peace * love * lythe ...on the advice of my attorney this sig file has no comment at this time... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:23:52 -0500 From: Richard Stemann Subject: NJC Hey fish thanks for the concert. We just saw the Sheryl Crow- Wallflowers concert at the Taft Theater in Cincy... It was suprisingly good. Sheryl can rock the house. Fellow EDAs, check this page out if you haven't already seen it. It's by a fellow EDA- and it's excellent work http://www.concentric.net/~2fishnet/jewelpg.htm#top TTYL, Rs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:26:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ashcoustic@aol.com Subject: Folk Artists. > themselves to airplay and empty-v, she didnt get the recognition she > deserved. its kinda a curse that goes with folk music. how many TRUE > folk artists have really ever made it big? tracy is kinda big, joan baez, > and woody guthrie. i cant really think of anyone else. now im tal;king > true folk here... acoustic guitar-toting, lyric-poets of peace and love. >>Well, I know Jewel doesn't like the term, but I still consider her a true folk >>artist, no matter what she says. I think it's a compliment. And Jewel has >>made it big. It remains to be seen whether the fickle public will allow her to >>continue her success. Look at Suzanne Vega. She had a big hit eight or nine >>years ago ("Luka"), but hasn't had one since (with the exception of a remix of >>"Tom's Diner") despite excellent material. Vega is another folk artist who >>could be considered successful, though. Tracy, Vega, Jewel, Joan Baez, Woody >>Guthrie, Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Lisa Loeb (her #1 hit "Stay" was definitely >>folk, and her followup album was great and sold decently) Howdy! Okay, now PLEASE don't take what I'm about to say as negative, because it's not. It's just my opinion. At any rate...I think that we're confusing the definition of "Folk" here. A lot of the artists named above ARE folk, but some are not. Lisa Loeb, Suzanne Vega, and Jewel are not folk. "True" folk artists actually aren't that musical. They take a story, a real from the heart experience or observation and put it to a rhythm and music. With folk artists it ALL about the words, the communication of an idea or that story. It's a poor man's ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 22:24:40 -0500 From: bell@mclv.net Subject: Re: NJC:Re: Please read this... >>Toni has told me about a few of her friends who are gay; the answer >>uniformly seems to be that their "preference" is what feels natural to >>them. It's wired in from birth as far as they're concerned. How could you >>hate someone who was born with the wrong gonads for their brain? It's ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I agree with you mostly, as in there's no reason to hate homosexual's because they're "different" just like you shouldn't hate people born with a disability... But I do disagree with you saying that they were born with the "WRONG" gonads or whatnot... How can anyone say it's wrong? Maybe in many people's eyes it is, but I've always believed in different levels of sin and right and wrong... As in, I'm not into murdering small furry woodland creatures and barbecuing them, but some people are... Therefore it's wrong for me, but not for them... Wierd, I know... but I don't think homosexuality is wrong or even something "bad" to be born as a homosexual... I just think too many people are afraid and ignorant when it comes to being gay and they have more of a problem than any gay/bi/lesbian person does... - --Lisa "Your hands manifest thought." --Jewel Multi-Comm Las Vegas Nv. 208.129.48.2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:32:09 +0500 From: Eric Haglund Subject: Re: Pieces of Me? >>No, I don't hate him. I hate me. Can anyone admire someone that they hate? > >Wow...i have to say that this is the first post that has ever made me cry. its the >way that you phrased everything its so beautiful...that last line "no i dont >hate him. i hate me. can anyone admire someone that they hate" it is like >pure poetry... >thank you for sharing this. >Thirza I am going to agree with my fellow "teenie bopper"(just kidding) Thirza. This post really had an impact on me. It took a lot of courage to come out and write this and I admire you for that. Not that my admiration means anything special but I don't know if I could do something like you did if I was ever in the same situation. It was truly poetic the way in which you wrote what you did. It flowed so smoothly and easily. That's it. That's my $.02.-Eric "We should believe what is true even if it hurts, rather than what is false even if it makes us happy." - E.N.Lorenz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:39:17 +0000 From: Tom Morales Subject: Re: njc re: jewel a lesbian? > >Was that a waste of bandwidth or what? Hi, How is bandwidth wasted anyway? Something as intangible as bandwidth is hard to understand. Does this mean every time I do something that is not meaningful or with a goal in mind I wasting bandwidth? A lot of things go to waste. Can we really moderate it all and let everyone know that we have all been wasting our time and "bandwith". I'd waste more but I don't have anything to waste. ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #96 **************************