From: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org (jewel-digest) To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V2 #11 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Sender: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, January 7 1997 Volume 02 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re: Re: Re: Obsessive much? RE: member me?? Re: Jewels sketch Re: VH1 Crossroads Fwd: NJC; Larry and Igor's excellent adventure Re: Obsessive much? NJC Re: Obsessive much? Re: Obsessive much? NJC Re: Obsessive much? Re: "Discount" CD Clubs i.e. BMG, Columbia, etc. Re: Obsessive much? NJC---Clerks, MallRats Empire Strikes Records.... NJC: Dove NJC: list personalities and consequences Re: really very NJC: the gen x thing Re: Foolish Games on Piano Re: NJC: list personalities and consequences JC: NOT A POLL, just a topic-----Tabs NJC:Merry Christmas to me . Re: Re: Re: Re: Obsessive much? Re: really very NJC: the gen x thing Re: really very NJC: the gen x thing Re: NJC: I'm Getting Published!!! Re: Obsessive much? Jewel Sighting at the Grammys Criticism of Jewel Sketch Re: NJC Re: Obsessive much? eda's ?!?!? Re: Jewel Sighting at the Grammys *yawn* Re: really very NJC: the gen x thing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 22:08:05 -0800 From: yanos Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obsessive much? the idea is not to push my, yours, or anyone elses ideas on the EDAs but to get people to realize that this is a Jewel list and not a "what im i labeled" or "who do people say i should be" list. I just dont want to read SPAM! i get enough mail as it is and when 1/3 of the messages are non-jewel related or when they only contain the word jewel in the sentence "i know this isnt Jewel related but..." i dont want it here. its all fine and dandy to chat with folks about any one of the millions of things to mindlessly dawdle about but when these messages fill peoples boxes day after day (you know im right here) it gets ridiculous! I just want to read about Jewel info and that is why i am here-email your buddy if you want to talk non-Jewel. Busy folks, such as myself and many others out there may have a hard time sifting through over 50 pices of mail (this is what i had from the Jewel list alone in the last 20 hours). Understand this and the fact that the word "@astitch" is neither a word, nor bad. it does, however, contain the word "stitch" which is in no way malicious nor is the prefix "ba" as last time i was told it was a common word amongst the sheppard's flock! Anyhow, i can take the flame, and quite honestly im suprised you where my only outspoken response so far. I just want the EDAs to see, as the original post was intended, so i believe, there are more important things to tlk about. Cheers to all- Yanos PS-this began as a private email to "Terrence R. Williams" but i decided to post to the group as i felt this response summed up what i really was trying to get accross in the first place but became over-zealous in my torrid fit of typing... i have now said my final word on this string...aren't we all happy? "and that's all i gotta say about that" ... f. gump ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:36:40 -0600 From: Lehmann Subject: RE: member me?? >Nor are you familiar with the ritual that must be preformed >when deciding to fly to California. Three planes!=20 I feel yer pain, man. When i went to CA last summer, I flew from = Omaha... it was HELL! On the way home, this freak tried to pick me up. I was waiting at the = airport in St Louis (I HATE changing planes!!) And this guy kept hanging = around me, saying s**T like "hey girl, you're so sexy" i mean, GOD! He = missed his plane so he could bug the shit outta me!! SO that is why I hate LA boys and LA planes.=20 like you all care. love, CJ--the girl with the sexy green beret ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:16:49 -0700 (MST) From: Chopped Liver Subject: Re: Jewels sketch On Mon, 6 Jan 1997 smonkman@ibl.bm wrote: > Aloha! Grrly@aol.com wrote: > P.P.S If we are generation X, then what was that letter/symbol/number given > to the generation that grew up in the 70s (a far better decade than the 90s > if you ask me)? > > I think they're the baby boomers but since I'm not in that generation (at all) > I'm not sure! Now that you ask... what are the generation afeter gen x? i > heard we're either geration sex or generation eco... i'm not sure! born in 1944-1953 -Baby Boomers coming of age in 1954-1963 -the beat generation coming of age in 1964-1973 -the love generation (god, I hate that) coming of age in 1974-1985 -the me generation coming of age in 1980-1990 -generation x that's the way I remember it, anyway. If you are lucky you'll be the generation with a clue. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 97 01:13:24 From: "Fools, I'll destroy them all" Subject: Re: VH1 Crossroads >I don't know if this was mentioned before (it probably was), but I was at >Kmart and I saw VH1 Crossroads, the CD. It had Jewel on as the first >artist so I bought it (For only $13.99). It has her singing "Foolish >Games" live. > It also has a picture of her in the linear notes (Is that what they're >called?) and you can play a live performance by Tori Amos on your >computer. > It's pretty cool. I want to say that anyone who has a chance, GET THIS DISC! I originally was looking for it for the Tori cut (a beautiful cover of "I'm On Fire," God I love this track), because I saw the show, and HAD to get that song. I was planning to wait for it to be on TV again so I could tape it. Luckily, it's on the CD. Only when I saw the CD did I know Jewel was on it. Bonus. And the rest is good too. Also, VH1 has been playing this CD's videos during Crossroads' hours lately, so you can see the performances. Excellent. The version of "Foolish Games" is quite good, though she skips a couple of lines ("You'd teach me of honest things/things that were daring, things that were clean/things that knew what an honest dollar did mean"). - -- "One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one's work is terribly important." - Bertrand Russell jbecker@email.ir.miami.edu gr311@cleveland.freenet.edu http://ocala.cs.miami.edu/~jlbec/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:18:44 -0500 From: GraywolfLA@aol.com Subject: Fwd: NJC; Larry and Igor's excellent adventure - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: NJC; Larry and Igor's excellent adventure Date: 97-01-07 01:16:52 EST From: GraywolfLA To: glipnows@qc.bell.ca In a message dated 97-01-06 18:21:32 EST, you write: << Thanks for sharing that with us, and I'm glad you went into what I thought was a completely appropriate level of detail. >> Gerry: Thanks for your kind words. I actually showed the story to a non-EDA friend of mine, and she thought I should be hospitalized. It's nice to know that there are some who understand this, and I'm really glad you enjoyed the story; I hope I wasn't sounding TOO fanatical. I felt like an EDA ambassador! ttyl, Larry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 23:22:16 -0700 (MST) From: Chopped Liver Subject: Re: Obsessive much? On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, Sean Hooks wrote: > Subject: Obsessive much? > > This list has been getting increasingly obsessive lately. The whole angels [a bunch of other stuff deleted] Oh, Sean. This is such obvious baiting. Troll much? Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:03:39 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: NJC Re: Obsessive much? >the idea is not to push my, yours, or anyone elses ideas on the EDAs but >to get people to realize that this is a Jewel list and not a "what im i >labeled" or "who do people say i should be" list. I just dont want to >read SPAM! i get enough mail as it is and when 1/3 of the messages are >non-jewel related or when they only contain the word jewel in the >sentence "i know this isnt Jewel related but..." i dont want it here. Then deleat it! I've gotten VERY sick of some of the crap here too. Like that Beck debate that went on FOREVER, but I never demanded that I be stoped. I figure if that is in the interst of these people then let em talk. I delate any of the EDA gathering messages that don't aply to me, but I'm not gonna complain about it. If you only wanna read about Jewel then as soon as you see the NJC in the line, hit the clear button, it's not that hard. And about getting flooded with e-mail, if that is somthing your not up for then get the digest and on the lose mail. It's that simple. I know that some of you check the mail only once a day, and those people SHOULD be on the digest considering it usualy comes in once a day or more (I should know, I useta be on both). - -Ashe Mayfair ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:53:18 -0600 From: Ashe Mayfair Subject: Re: Obsessive much? >>The whole angels >>thing is getting way overboard, wearing wings and stuff? come on now, >>let's not become freaks about this.I have to deal with enough of such folk >>at Tori concerts, hopefully Jewel will not suffer the same fate. Number >>two sign of obsessiveness, Renee Zellweger, who looks a bit like Jewel, ACTION: Ashe puts his 2 cents in the collection jar Ok, I've posted serveral time on the obbsesive thing. Now I don't thinkg that any of the SERIOUSE stuff in the so-called obssion line truly falls under that catagory. We are fans, and we just happen to be looking for more stuff about Jewel and all. I post when I hear Jewel on the radio because I'm happy she is getting air time. I post about TV apperance so others might get the chance to see it. All the things I said about the halos and the wings, I said in jest. I would never have worn them (but I do want a jet pack for personal uses, maybe I could fly out to far away concerts with it even ;]), that would make me fell like a striper ;]. As for the shirts and hats, I wanna know who is and who isn't an EDA at the shows (as soon as I'm able to get to one). I like the idea of a kina uniform. In my veiw true obbsion is when you would start stalking Jewel. To my knowledge none of us have gone that far yet (then again I really don't know ;]). As for Renne and Joey posts... I post about Renne cause she is a good actcress from what I've seen so far. I post about Mallrats because I like the movie. The page from wich I singned up to the list from said that the list did not talk exclussively about Jewel, but was a place where you could talk about stuff (not just Jewel) with fellow fans. So I don't think there is anything wrong with talking about Renne or Joey, or even Antonio Banderas if the mood so striks me. I think this is being blown WAY out of proportion. I say a lot of weird shit when I'm just joking around, and I know that some people just don't get it. Once I had an art class full of people beliving I drank blood from my girlfirend for fun. I was just joking, but they figured I was talking real. It was all just a privet joke that I was talking to my friend about, then a few people overheard and made a big deal about it. Now I talk about Jewel a lot with my friends. The less understanding of them get annoyed about it. But I talk about Jewel, and levitate twords things about Jewel for a couple simple reasons. Those are 1) she is a truly great person form what I know of her. Everyone seems to back me up on this one. She is talented and damned well deserves the attention 2) She is an insperation to me. As a person who is trying to be a writer, I can really understand when she says things like "are passions shouldn't be our hobbies" and things like that. She made the descion that she would reather drop out of the world then live a shity live that she hated, and if I admier her for that then so what?!?!? It takes a lot of guts to do that. Hell, a lot of my freinds that think there tough guys said that they woudn't be able to live in a van just because they where unhappy with there station in life. They would just keep suffering. You talk about getting flamed. Well that is karma. Everything someone puts out comes back times three. If you say we are wrong because of the way we act then hell yes we are gonna argue the point with you. When the the scare about the JS tapes was going on I didn jump in and just say "You guys are being stupid about this! The guy was probably full of shit!" even if I was thinking it. I went about it in a reasonable way. What I'm saying is: lighten up and stop rockin the boat for no reason. When we start talking about the 3 week camp-out in front of Jewel's house, THEN jump in and say "THIS HAS GONE *WAY* TO FAR GUYS". Untill then let us joke around for Gods sake! - -Ashe (ignor the typos) Mayfair ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 02:32:21 EST From: neal77@juno.com (Neal Tsay) Subject: NJC Re: Obsessive much? Hey Y'all, >I just want to read about Jewel >Busy folks, such as myself and many others out there may >have a hard time sifting through over 50 pices of mail Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a reason why... Ok, wait, let me start that sentence over. May I suggest sending the following to majordomo@smoe.org? unsubscribe jewel subscribe jewel-news end ???? yeah, it's a pretty nifty thing, that jewel-news list. - --Neal and his novel idea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 01:34:38 -0600 From: Andrew Vernon Subject: Re: "Discount" CD Clubs i.e. BMG, Columbia, etc. > > =) Jewel does not get royalties from these CD purchases. > Think about that. Well, is she in it for the money? Think > about that. Well, I _want_ Jewel to make money. I've seen poverty and let's face it: life goes much easier if you have at least a little cash. - -- Reverend Angus The Angel Formerly Known As Andrew Vernon avernon@scott.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 02:49:02 EST From: bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford III) Subject: Re: Obsessive much? On Mon, 06 Jan 1997 16:22:46 -0500 (EST) Sean Hooks writes: >Later, > Sean Hooks > >"I'm no angel." >-Allman Brothers > > It's the subtle hints ya gotta look out for... -Bruce "DOESN'T JEWEL LOOK LIKE RENEE?" bhartford3rd@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 01:44:51 -0600 From: "Damon Schmidt" Subject: NJC---Clerks, MallRats Empire Strikes Records.... Must say I think Clerks beats the living hell out of Mallrats, though... I didn't like Empire Records at all, sorry people... But I do agree that if you haven't seen Star Wars on the big screen, you're missing out... drool...THX... Damon "...I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule..."--randall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 03:18:33 EST From: bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford III) Subject: NJC: Dove Has anyone ever seen the movie or read the book titled "Dove"? -Bruce bhartford3rd@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 02:41:30 -0600 (CST) From: James Judd Subject: NJC: list personalities and consequences Hi, I just thought i'd poke my head in and say i've been very impressed with some of the people here lately. When my life was going shitty over christmas, EDAs came to the rescue. Now that my life is better, the list is still important to me. I'm going to tell a little story a-la-Igor here. One day there was a guy who hadn't concerned himself with girls for years. He prefered the shallow achey lack of anyone special to the probable pain relationships are bound to end in til you find the right one. Well one day, he is blindsided by this girl. She's really something special, and it's enough to pull him out of his heart's slumber and eventually put it back again, albeit a little bruised. I saw her again for the first time today since before christmas, and it was okay. So anyway, today was intense enough just seeing her, and being positive about it. Also, a girl kissed me (yep, another one, it's gotta be something in the air here those who know what i'm talking about) tonight i've wanted to kiss her for a long time. We're going out this week. So i come home in this rather touchy but happy state and find some very positive, reinforcing mail in my box, and some negative mail too. Okay, so it's bound to happen once in a while, but please realize when you react to a hostile message in any way other than understanding and kindness, you are continuing the waves of evil it has started to so many. My little happy bubble has popped, and i can't sleep now. I have so so little to be sad about right now, please let me enjoy it while it lasts. Okay, so i'm sensitive. So i'm silly. I can't help it. And my story didn't turn out well at all up there. But think about what you say and how it will affect people before you do- one mean word here hurts hundreds. HUNDREDS! Okay, enough of that. In closing i'd like to say that the list is, even with this one little tiny mar, in the best condition i've seen it in a long time. Maybe it's just me, but thanks guys! James, who reminds you cliches are cliches for a reason ________________________________________________________________________ Computer Science/Engineering Eng. Network Services Web Guy http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~juddjam Auburn University Auburn, Alabama "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:44:17 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Wong Subject: Re: really very NJC: the gen x thing thirza wrote: > i kjnow that most of ya are tired of it but, I have to post this...I read in > a BOOK that Generation X ended in 1988, so i dont know why people keep saying To paraphrase Napoleon, History is but a fable, agreed upon by the victors. Books offer the vision and insight of the authors, not the truth. The truth may be out there, or it may be within, but in either case, I'd say we're better off with open communication, so each of us can share in this search for it. Books can help us, by the authors' willingness to commit their thoughts down to the captive proof of the printed word, instead of some elusive medium as this might be, words displayed and lost with the flick of a power switch, were it not for the raw archving process that transfers these thoughts to other, more permanent media. I'm figuring that if people are tired of the subject, they've already taken to deleting messages as they see the topic. Personally, I love talking about how people are connected... in this case the idea of generations, which is usually as much about assumptions of common values and perceptions as it is time divisions. The fact that said division of time is often referred to as an era implies a greater link than the numbers simply being close. > that generation X ended with the 18 year olds...The book was something like > All of the things that happend in 1988 (it was my sisters book cause thats > the year she was born) and it was written in the 90s, and it said that 1988 > was the last year for Generation Xers to be born, so that means that every > born up until ,1988 is concidered Generation X right? It does, by that book. Of course, I think you'd agree at least a few things that happened in 1988 weren't in the book... was your sisters birth? was the formation of "Between the Lines," one of the first net based music 'zines? (and one of the first mailing lists devoted to a female solo artist) The book is a topical treatment of pop culture, not an authoritative investigation. :) Welcome to the arbitary nature of labels. The term "Generation Xer" has been applied and reinterpreted many times. The name originally was taken from another book, which wasn't really trying to categorize anyone. If I write a book this week, saying that generation X ended with the creation of the NC17 movie rating, it certainly doesn't make it true. Whom you call generation X depends on your sense of the word. There are those who claim that I'm too old, actually, that generation X *starts* with the 18 year olds, and ends with those born in 1988, eliminating the entire group that to which the term was originally applied. I posted the origins of the terms, but while history may be an excellent teacher, only the future can be the judge. It is also worth considering, if the baby boomers range from 1948 (to choose an arbitrary year) to 1968, and generation X is from 1968 to 1988, that in each case, we have a generation coming of age under 2 very different decades. I remember the day Sadat was killed, as well as Carter's election as president... I don't remember Nixon... I remember surprise that Reagan actually did sign into law a bill that really did simplify the tax code in 1986 (I actually understood the changes!) Does any of this matter? Well, perhaps as individual events, they don't... but there is always certainly a zeitgeist... I would say it doesn't really follow decade boundaries, either, but it does, as the German word suggests, follow time. I can't really imagine the feelins of betrayal some Americans felt about Watergate, of how the act of recording conversations was somehow more a shock than breaking into the opposing party's HQ (an act for which president Johnson's staff had also been caught scarecly a year before). I look at the record of Kennedy's naive foreign policy in his first 18 months in office, and see his "steering" the nation through the Cuban missile crisis, not as an example of courage, but of him paying the price for his earlier naivete, of sheer luck in avoiding war, and perhaps, a lesson he learned on the job, giving what I consider a more positive potential, that a politician might actually learn from his mistakes, unlike Bush or Clinton. I think the context of world events does shape the way we perceive things, although I question the strength of time based (the assumption being that larger world events affect us more than the local world around us, the culture we see in our neighborhoods, which changes more slowly, or at least more continuously, than those instants whose repercussions are felt so widely.) events over common cultural bonds in affecting communication. I tend to think that those "sudden" events are often little more than peaks of change movements that have been brewing for quite some time, and are much less surprising for those who have been paying attention. > And for all of you who are really mad about being labeled, well then you I know labels are inevitable... I just try to gently remind people that stereotyping is, while convenient, by neccessity an imperfect approximation of a person... There is some truth to generalizations, but we shouldn't be surprised when someone deviates from the statistical norm. Okay, sometimes I'm not so gentle, either. :) Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl@best.com, negativl@netcom.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 02:57:42 -0600 (CST) From: Ray DeJean Subject: Re: Foolish Games on Piano On Mon, 6 Jan 1997, E. Kevin C. de Leon wrote: > I just heard foolish games on VH1 (a live crossroads version) and loved the > piano, never really noticed it on the album till I listened to it again. > Does anyone know how to play the song on piano, ie the chords. If you do, > I was wondering if you could tell me. Hmmm...i believe it's: Dm, Bb, F, C It sounds right to me...if i'm wrong, someone refresh my memory! - -Ray rdejean@neosoft.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 03:58:10 EST From: bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford III) Subject: Re: NJC: list personalities and consequences On Tue, 7 Jan 1997 02:41:30 -0600 (CST) James Judd writes: > >Hi, > My little happy bubble >has popped, and i can't sleep now. I have so so little to be sad >about right now, please let me enjoy it while it lasts. Do what I do when my little happy bubble pops, put on some Jewel. Simple enough? (by the way, I didn't mean put on some rings and a necklace, I meant listen to her music. You might not go to sleep right away but it's a great bubble bandaid) -"Dr. of Simplicity"Bruce bhartford3rd@juno.com PS I couldn't quite follow you in the beginning of your post but can I just say, Isn't love grand? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 19:09:28 -0800 From: wrdavis@ite.net (Katherine Davis) Subject: JC: NOT A POLL, just a topic-----Tabs Hey Guys, I was reading over the song list of what Jewel recorded for the new album and I was thinking what the first single would be.... I'm not taking a poll (if someone else could take up this idea, it'd be cool and I really would like to hear the results, but I can't take all the mail) but I'm wondering what do you guys think will be the first single? Here's the songlist in case you don't remember. TRACKS WITH BAND: Boy Needs A Bike (aka Ride Away), Carnivore, Jessica (2 versions electric and acoustic band), Tough Girl, Innocence Maintained, Deep Water, Satellite, Fragile Heart, Sometimes It Be That Way, Love Me Just Leave Me Alone, Fading Away, Run Tonto Run SOLO ACOUSTIC TRACKS: Louisa & Her Blue Guitar, Fragile Flame, 1,000 Miles Away, Sometimes It Be That Way, Run Tonto Run, Grey Matter, The Face Of Love, Nicotine Love, Moon Over Austin (aka Hotel Angel), Buttercup, Absence Of Fear, Nikos (reworked under new title) I'm not doing a poll, but I'd appreciate it if someone else did. I think it's a neat thing to think about. Also: I've been working on tabs for 'Run Tonto Run'. I'm going to give the song to a friend (who's the master at guitar :) so she can get all of it, but I know that these chords are in it: (either that or I am way off--I've only been playing for 3 months--no lessons OR my guitar's not tuned properly. Feel free to add more! while singing verse: D - -------------- - -------------- - ---------2---- - -------------- - ---------3---- - ---------2---- (that's not finger-plucking, that the chord, I'm not sure what it's called... then: C G If you read the lyrics at the Pieces of Jewel site for this, the whole first line is D, the whole second is that weird chord I don't know, etc. etc. chorus: (which I'm not sure about) C & funny chord (play those 3 times) then: G D hope that all makes sense. I just figured out the chorus sitting here at the computer. Please give me feedback or contributions. Go easy on my too, I suck at guitar. :) Something tells me the song isn't that easy..... Take Care, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 02:41:49 -0800 From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Subject: NJC:Merry Christmas to me . At 2:00AM I recieved a Xmas greeting from Tom and Nancy Morales. No this isn't a delayed post that got lost in some cyber post office. Today is Christmas for all the Russian, Greek and other Eastern Orthodox. I'm lucky and get to celebrate Xmas twice. I'm even more lucky to have made special friends like Tom and Nancy that remembered. The best present that I got is the friendship from all of you. Let this year bring more of the same. This year is a very historic year in Russia. It is the first year that Christmas is being officially celebrated as a national holiday. Let this year also bring peace between all our fellow man/woman. Igor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Leave the shadows dancing Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obsessive much? What do you think the news list is about? We've been thru this before. :> the idea is not to push my, yours, or anyone elses ideas on the EDAs but :> to get people to realize that this is a Jewel list and not a "what im i :> labeled" or "who do people say i should be" list. I just dont want to :> read SPAM! i get enough mail as it is and when 1/3 of the messages are :> non-jewel related or when they only contain the word jewel in the :> sentence "i know this isnt Jewel related but..." i dont want it here. :> its all fine and dandy to chat with folks about any one of the millions :> of things to mindlessly dawdle about but when these messages fill :> peoples boxes day after day (you know im right here) it gets :> ridiculous! I just want to read about Jewel info and that is why i am :> here-email your buddy if you want to talk non-Jewel. Busy folks, such :> as myself and many others out there may have a hard time sifting through :> over 50 pices of mail (this is what i had from the Jewel list alone in :> the last 20 hours). Understand this and the fact that the word :> "@astitch" is neither a word, nor bad. it does, however, contain the :> word "stitch" which is in no way malicious nor is the prefix "ba" as :> last time i was told it was a common word amongst the sheppard's flock! :> Anyhow, i can take the flame, and quite honestly im suprised you where :> my only outspoken response so far. I just want the EDAs to see, as the :> original post was intended, so i believe, there are more important :> things to tlk about. :> :> Cheers to all- :> :> Yanos :> :> :> PS-this began as a private email to "Terrence R. Williams" :> but i decided to post to the group as i felt :> this response summed up what i really was trying to get accross in the :> first place but became over-zealous in my torrid fit of typing... i have :> now said my final word on this string...aren't we all happy? :> :> "and that's all i gotta say about that" ... f. gump :> - -- "Mewling, puking babies. That's how we all start." - Jean Shepard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: Gregory Willms Subject: Re: really very NJC: the gen x thing i dont think 1988 is gen X. part of the stigma of gen xers is growing up and living through the 80's. i dont really buy into the whole gen x thing though. they say we're a generation of slackers, and that the world will be ruined once we're running it. well, smile old people, we're products of you. what do you expect? we're born from a generation of hippies. our parents followed the dead, protested, smoked lots of pot, maybe did some acid, and were part of a revolution of the music world. so im sick of hearing it. dont classify me, i dont really care for most of the people my age, and ill be damned if i want to be classified with me. - -greg - ---------------------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/broadway/2606 | - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I was walking through the country and passing through lovely scenery when I came upon some rotting remains: and though the carcass was wormy... well after all, it's all part of nature's art of cleaning. -- Brad Roberts - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Let me have music dying, and I seek no more delight." -- John Keats - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:35:05 -0800 From: Jeffrey Miller Subject: Re: really very NJC: the gen x thing Grrly1@aol.com wrote: > > i kjnow that most of ya are tired of it but, I have to post this...I read in > a BOOK that Generation X ended in 1988, so i dont know why people keep saying > that generation X ended with the 18 year olds...The book was something like > All of the things that happend in 1988 (it was my sisters book cause thats > the year she was born) and it was written in the 90s, and it said that 1988 > was the last year for Generation Xers to be born, so that means that every > born up until ,1988 is concidered Generation X right? Well, Thirza, I also read in a BOOK that the Holocaust never happened, that JFK was killed by alien-mind controlled Cubans, and that little gnomes in Zurich conspired in 1920-something to control the world's money supply. Raymond was right - Gen X is considered as 20 - 30 year olds. (BTW - I didn't read that in a BOOK - I read that in MANY BOOKS - its part of my major, a PoliSci/Sociology/History thingie) > And for all of you who are really mad about being labeled, well then you > really didnt have to read this post and you dont have to respond...I am just > curios and wanted to make sure about this...You never killed anyone for being > curios have you? (then again, we do have some crazies on this list =]) > Do I count? I am the possesor of several dysfunk-shuns straight outa the DSM-IV guide! I'm not mad about label - that how we think, in categories. It's normal human psychology to label people - BTW - when I say label, I don't mean in a negative, hate-filled way; that's not been proven as natural human behavior. We do, however, categorize everything we see into convenient 'slots' for quick recognition; there's no other way to understand the world. What I am mad about, labeling wise, is the negative or exclusive tone that they can carry. Thirza, if you're under 20-ish, you're not gen-x - so what? Your generation has plenty of things going for it and will get it's own moniker, I'm sure. - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:36:19 -0800 From: Jeffrey Miller Subject: Re: NJC: I'm Getting Published!!! Hey, I forgot to say CONGRATS!! It's a hard thing to get published; wow! - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:38:56 -0800 From: Jeffrey Miller Subject: Re: Obsessive much? Grrly1@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/7/97 2:28:35 AM, you wrote: > > >The whole angels > >thing is getting way overboard, wearing wings and stuff? come on now, > >let's not become freaks about this.I have to deal with enough of such folk > >at Tori concerts, hopefully Jewel will not suffer the same fate. Number > >two sign of obsessiveness, Renee Zellweger, who looks a bit like Jewel, > > Okay first of all, Why dont YOU lighten up! We want to wear "Angel Gear" So > we will be able to notice each other and have Jewel notice us at shows...We > werent REALLY planning on wearing wings (well not the sane people anyways) I'd have to agree about Tori and the "angel" thread/motif/theme - I'm not Christian, not anti-Xian either, I'm something altogether different. Anyway, I'm not 100% happy about having Xian symbology attatched to me by the simple fact that I like (love!) a particular artists... - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:47:48 -0500 (EST) From: EveryDay Angel Subject: Jewel Sighting at the Grammys Hey Angels, I just saw Jewel on the Grammy nominations on VH1. As usual I taped it. Well she was funny and real personal kinda like how she is at a concert. I think she was wearing the same outfit that she was wearing at the Billboard music awards. You know, the black one. Anyways, she was the same Great Angel that has been with us since the begining. An EveryDayAngel, Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:55:06 -0500 (EST) From: EveryDay Angel Subject: Criticism of Jewel Sketch Hey Angels, I have a little Criticism about using the Jewel sketch. First of all, Jewel made the sketch as a personal gift. I think it is cool that he is willing to share it with us. The only thing is that it is just a sketch. We really don't know how much thought she put in to it. I have an alternative idea. I suggest that we all get in contact with Jewel or Lenandra and ask them for an official sketch. Something that you know she will create for us EDAs. An EveryDayAngel, Bryan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 10:33:29 -0500 From: Splugorth@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Obsessive much? In a message dated 97-01-07 02:07:25 EST, mayfair@ponyexpress.net (Ashe Mayfair) writes: << Then deleat it! I've gotten VERY sick of some of the crap here too. Like that Beck debate that went on FOREVER, but I never demanded that I be stoped. I figure if that is in the interst of these people then let em talk. I delate any of the EDA gathering messages that don't aply to me, but I'm not gonna complain about it. If you only wanna read about Jewel then as >> Thank you. And to add to it, the NJC is why I am here. If I wanted just news I would be on the news list. I am totally against censorship and if this list ever *actively* started censoring, or if the NJC went away I would be off like a prom dress. I don't have to agree with the message or even like the subject matter in order to respect the rights of the poster to have it here. For example, I try to skip the Renee Z. posts, because I don't think she looks like Jewel. Yes I'm done now. Tony T. Splugorth@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 07:33:33 -0800 From: "Tom Curran" Subject: eda's ?!?!? hello all, just one question -- if we are all EveryDay Angels, and everyday is one contiguous word, why is our acronym eDa? shouldn't it be EA? just curious... - --- Tom Curran tcurran@aegroup.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:36:48 -0700 (MST) From: Chopped Liver Subject: Re: Jewel Sighting at the Grammys So, how much air time did she get? On Tue, 7 Jan 1997, EveryDay Angel wrote: > Hey Angels, > I just saw Jewel on the Grammy nominations on VH1. As usual I taped > it. Well she was funny and real personal kinda like how she is at a > concert. I think she was wearing the same outfit that she was wearing at > the Billboard music awards. You know, the black one. Anyways, she was > the same Great Angel that has been with us since the begining. > > An EveryDayAngel, > Bryan > Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 11:01:04 -0500 From: Thorpie679@aol.com Subject: *yawn* Did I say nominees or nominations??? I don't know, it's way too early in the morning. I was up at seven this morning and I have absolutely nothing to do all day. **yawn** Oh, well. Again, hope she wins!!! la la la christa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 08:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: Raymond Wong Subject: Re: really very NJC: the gen x thing Heh. Just realized I didn't tie up some intentional ends to my other (long) post. > It does, by that book. Of course, I think you'd agree at least a few things > that happened in 1988 weren't in the book... was your sisters birth? was the > formation of "Between the Lines," one of the first net based music 'zines? > (and one of the first mailing lists devoted to a female solo artist) The book What I meant to come back to, was that writing can mislead. Your sister WAS born in 1988. BtL didn't actually form until 1989, though a mailing list was created in 1988, in work of creating said fanzine/forum. My point that I missed stating was that, had I not pointed out the factual error, a lot of you would have thought BtL was created in 1988, which it wasn't. :) I could have said it, and those who didn't look to see date stamps on all the original archives, wouldn't know any better. Further, if I didn't identify the mailing list at all, no one would know where to check on said "fact." This was how I intended to lead into dimissing the simple statement about gen X without defining WHAT generation X *is*. By not differentiating it from anything else, not definining what makes X, X and not W or Y, we eliminate the chance of open discussion. Wasn't really all that important, but I didn't want anyone thinking I'd lied to them later, when someone posted a correction. :) > Whom you call generation X depends on your sense of the word. There are > those who claim that I'm too old, actually, that generation X *starts* > with the 18 year olds, and ends with those born in 1988, eliminating > the entire group that to which the term was originally applied. I posted eek. as long as I'm here, scratch the "that" on the last line... very ugly breach of grammatical construction. I'll ignore the length of the sentence, to save space now. :) We now return you to your regular deprogramming, already in progress. :) Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl@best.com, negativl@netcom.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Deborah Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V2 #11 **************************