From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #782 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Sunday, 17 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 782 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Neo-folkie Re[2]: Details mag what's with the prints? 2 days to get your JS Thanksgiving messages in clarification on names prints Paintin' the prints... Philly EDAs??? Who is T-Bone? Re: My response to Eric NJC: Quotes, BtG NJC: shakey??? Everything Re: jewel-digest V1 #781 Jewel Thanks RE: Neo-folkie RE: Jewel Thanks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Thirza Pearl Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:32:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Neo-folkie Anthony Trudeau wrote: > > What I think, is that we have way to many labels today. Why do we need > to call Jewel Neo-folk, Urban-folk, Country or anything else. I personally > love her music, and really could not care less about what they call it. > But, reality is that most people do. That for some reason if her music is > called Neo-Folk (or heaven forbid Country) that it is less than great. > Just my opinion. > Well I have only heard her music called country once, but i dont understand why. there is only one song of hers that has the slightest hint of country. If we have to define her music i think the word would be Angelic. I think that is a great way to define her music, can anyone else think of something better? thirza ------------------------------ From: hgladman@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au Date: Mon, 18 Nov 96 09:28:07 EST Subject: Re[2]: Details mag Tell me, does stacked mean something in America that it doesn't mean here? _______________________________________________________________________________ From: Thirza Pearl[SMTP:tpearl@mail.idt.net] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 1996 11:22 PM To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: Details mag I just read the Details magzine article and i really didnt like the way the interviewer described jewel (these are his exact words.) "She is like a little dish of pancakes (read: Short and stacked)" isnt that like the most sexist thing? although Details doesnt exactly have a rep for being nice. I wonder what Jewel will thing of this article. if you want to see the article for your self the address is: http://www.sprynet.com/sprynet/xenomorph/details.htm ------------------------------ From: "Derrick Chhay" Date: 17 Nov 1996 22:40:26 -0000 Subject: what's with the prints? why don't you just have plaidprints? that way, you get a variety of colors. Derrick"Cricket"Chhay "PeaceLoveLife"-FB - --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: ABershaw@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:47:07 -0500 Subject: 2 days to get your JS Thanksgiving messages in Hi, I will continue to accept "Jewelstock Thansgiving" messages to Jewel & Lenedra through Tuesday night. So 48 hours left to get yours included in the printout, if you've been waiting. Send me "whatever you want included" via email with "JS Thanks"in the subject line. This thing is already quite wonderful (and fairly large) but more are welcome. They'll have it by next weekend. This is REALLY the last I'll mention it, other than to say "they have it". Join in if you like. Alan(MrBB) ------------------------------ From: Sergio Faissol Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 14:55:59 -0800 Subject: clarification on names Hey EDA's I'd just like to clarify something. My name is Dan Faissol. There is another Dan on the list that has just changed his email address, but mine has not changed. My addess is Sergio Faissol because I use my dad's(Sergio), account but my name is Dan. ------------------------------ From: "Hall, Gordon A" Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 17:15:25 -0600 Subject: prints what is with all this discussion about blueprints,yellowprints,purpleprints,etc when and why did all this start? i must have missed something important can anyone explain this to me? flash "Bag it Tag it Sell it to the butcher in the store" Phish "Reba" ------------------------------ From: bhartford3rd@juno.com (Bruce D Hartford III) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:16:37 EST Subject: Paintin' the prints... Ok, so why do we have to be so color dependant? Hmmm? It's seems to me that the couple in the original song (and my version) are somewhat homesteaders, living off the land and what not. So instead of drafting out their "world" on multi-varied colors, why not carve it into a wooden stump. Shure it's a little more work, and if you screw up your, ummm, well, screwed, but it has that whole neat nature vibe. (oh man I need to get out more, sheesh) Although I guess I must admit that Indigoprints was my favorite suggestion despite the obvious FOUR syllables... perhaps I'm just lazy... -Bruce bhartford3rd@juno.com P.S. Come to think of it they were painters, they could have whatever color paper they wanted. Oh, well I still like the stump idea. ------------------------------ From: Jeremy Lockhorn Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 16:30:35 -0500 Subject: Philly EDAs??? Who is T-Bone? Howdy. Couple of quick questions? 1) how many of you live in or near Philadelphia? There's a bunch of accoustic acts around town that are really cool that would probably appeal to Jewel fans. And maybe we could all get together at one of these shows, er something. 2) Who is T-Bone? Could someone who was at JS describe him? I knew a guy in college that went by that nick-name, and he knew how to play bass, and it would be *really* bizzare if that was him at the show. Thanks. May the funk be with you... - -"Jerome" Jeremy Lockhorn ------------------------------ From: Crash Boy Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 03:17:19 +0000 Subject: Re: My response to Eric Sean Hooks wrote: >I don't know how to quote your post so I'll just say my piece. First of >all, I'm glad you disagree with me. Calling my posts inane may be pushing >it but well, here's my response. actually, i think that most everyone on this list disagrees with you. every now and then, someone will back you up, but otherwise, your posts are cynical, pessimistic, derisive, and rude. otherwise, they're just plain negative. but i think you write what you do because you like to get people all riled up, hence the 'inane' comment. but i trust that you believe what you write, which only makes me feel sorry for you. >I heard "Possession" a year ago when my suitemate, who has her CDs and >always plays them was tryin to convince me as to how good she was. It was >the only song that stuck out to me. I haven't heard it on Z100 much, I >only listen to the station in passing but that is just further proof, >another example of how Z100 mainstreams legit artists. i don't see how Z100 is mainstreaming Sarah by playing just her one songs endlessly. i once heard a dj say her name after "Possession" came on, because 20 or so people called him up asking who the singer was. i played FTE in class one day, and one of my friends said 'hey i know this song! who sings it?' so, despite the fact that Z100 plays her one song endlessly, most people probably still have no idea who she is. >As for my desire for YWMFM to be played on WNEW. I want it played there >not a year before Z100 plays it, I never want Z100 to play it. It is not >mainstream music, far from it actually, I'm surprised Z100 is playing it, >it's rather radio-unfriendly, like most of the Pieces of You album. Z100 >takes legitimate, serious music, though YWMFM is one of my least favorite >songs off the album, it's still very legitimate, and makes it sell-out >commercial mainstream played out you change the station when it comes on >because you're so sick of it song-ruining music. first off, if you have the Innerchange Tapes, before she and steve poltz play YWMFM, she says 'here's our pop song'. when i first heard YWMFM, it reminded me of sarah mclachlan, because sarah's stuff is very pop-sounding, although radio just doesn't play her. i'd say that the album version is much better for radio that the radio single is. but in sounding a bit more countryish, it shows jewel's versatility as well. and for Z100 playing out music to the point of where you get sick of a song - well, yeah, they do it, but i don't get sick of many songs. i don't listen to the radio much, only in the morning. otherwise i play my cds. every now and then when i do listen to Z100 for long periods of time, i will say "geez, they just played that song an hour ago!" but i get over it. i listen to the song and move on. >And for a better example than Tracy Chapman, take Tori Amos. They >basically never play her on Z100, and only laste late at night on MTV and >VH1, and the songs get played or the videos get played for a while on >Z100(Caught A Lite Sneeze) and MTV(CaLS and Talula) and then they >disappear. That is what I would like to see from Jewel. Tori still gets a >lot of acclaim, has lots of deidcated fans, but would never do a show like >the Jingle Ball or try to sell herself on one song or her looks. And don't >say that the artist has no choice in those matters, that it's all the >record company, Tori's on Atlantic, so is Jewel. They are being marketed >very differently however despite the fact that Boys For Pele is about ten >times more radio friendly than Pieces of You! so, are you saying that jewel is trying to sell herself on one song and her looks? so, what if she dressed up a bit for letterman and the lifetime show? every girl likes to dress up and look and feel sexy every now and then. i don't think she was looking for your approval when she picked out her wardrobe. and tori has played for Z100 before. she played on their Acoustic Cafe and for the Z100 sponsored opening of the Virgin Megastore in NYC. i was even a bit surprised when i heard "Hey, Jupiter" played once on Z100. sure, they only played her in passing, but that's okay. if that happens to jewel, oh well. it happens. but the fact that Z100 IS playing YWMFM is exciting, in my opinion. and i wouldn't say that BFP is 10x more radio friendly than POY. i honestly don't think so. sure, BFP has a few more tracks that use more than one instrument than POY, but for the most part, i think that BFP isn't all that much different from POY. sure, atlantic's promoting jewel and tori differently, but that's because tori is already established and they know what works for her. on the other hand, jewel isn't really all that established yet, and they're still trying to find out what works. and that also explains why jewel wants to tour constantly - to promote herself, since atlantic's doing a sucky job of it. at the jingle ball concert, she'll probably play a lot of band songs, mainly to build interest in her new album, and to make fans of people that weren't impressed by WWSYS and YWMFM. >Sorry, I didn't know Shawn Colvin would be there, she is a respectable, >legitmate, individualistic artist. well, if you listened to Z100, you would've known that. :) >So No Doubt has undergone some hardship, that doesn't make them a good >band. true, but i think they are a great band. i think ska is a wonderful genre, because it brings together so many forms of music, while it's sister, punk, is stagnant, pretentious, and whiny. >I love men. I am one. I'm straight too. I'm not exactly looking at the >base player when Jewel is singing either but that's not because I'm >objectifing her or staring at her but because her inner beauty comingles >so well with her outer beauty and her message when she is performing. you're straight? damn! i guess i won't be hitting on you at the next jewelstock, right, selena? ;) and i know that you look inside and outside of jewel when looking at her, but don't we all? so, what if a few guys stare and drool at her? then it's their loss, but it's wrong to assume that every guy's gonna do that. >Oh, and the lead singer from the Bangles? Is she gonna bring Amy Mann and >Cyndi Lauper and Samantha Fox out for a version of "Hazy Shade of Winter?" hey, who knows? that would be cool! >And lastly, I take you as a challenge, an intelligent person who at least >disagrees with me vehemently but intelligently, unlike many people who are >unsettled by my post and basically just respond by calling me an asshole. um...thanks? >Oh, and speaking of asshole, the Tradewinds tape was totally uncalled for. >If you've been reading this list you know I've been trying to get my hands >on a tape of that show for months ya' jerk-off. I'm one of the selfish >Jewel fans who wants her to myself and despises her popularity but you >have a tape that you know other people want but refuse to mke copies for >other people...or maybe just for me 'cause you prob'ly hate my guts. no, i don't hate your guts, cause i hardly know you. but you just rub me the wrong way with your posts. and yes, the Tradewinds comment was a bit uncalled for, but it was just a joke, meant to rub you the wrong way. i don't have the tape. sorry. >By the way, you were at the Tracewinds? You from Jersey? Maybe we could >meet for a drink at a Jersey shore bar sometime, kinda like Deniro and >Pacino in that scene in Heat. Complete opposites but they recognize each >other's point of few. I get to be DeNiro though. yeah, i'm from jersey. union, in fact. if you want, come to tom o'brien's new year's eve party, and we can argue while singing jewel songs. and i never saw "Heat" so i couldn't say whether i'd want to be Pacino or not. eric :) ------------------------------ From: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net (Scott Broughton) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 18:43:40 -0500 Subject: NJC: Quotes, BtG Who brought up Deep Water? I agree, the whole song could be my favorite quote, but I'll just use "It's nothing without love, love, love, it's nothing without love." "It's a good chord. It's done nothin wrong." Another one I love (sing along if you want): "Daddy, she's a goddess, D-D-D-D-D-D-Daddy!" And against my better judgement, I decided to just post the rest of my story. Thanx, Garrett, Greg, and everyone else who took interest in it. I know what you mean, Greg, about hesitating to share your writings. I'd like to read some of yours if you wanna share. Thanx, everyone, for listening. And yes, this is the end. Part 2 Tom was so excited when he got home. He had never told his parents anything so important and personal as his conversation with Annie, but his excitement showed right away. Eventually, after his father threatened to use the whip, Tom explained where he had been and who he was with. Immediately, his father was furious. He yelled at Tom, warning him never to go back to the river or have anything to do with the Andrews girl. Then he locked him in the shed outside next to the barn, promising not to let him out until Tom vowed never go back there. But Tom wasn't mad at his father. In fact, he barely felt the lashings his father had given him after he had told the truth. She had talked to him, smiled at him. His Annie had said she liked him. The next day at school, Tom lived in a dream. He hardly noticed Annie wasn't at school. It was like she was there, with him, smiling her beautiful smile. Again, after school, his classmates who made fun of him stopped him after school. Tom just mumbled at their first jeerings, but he was feeling good and confident now that he had talked to Annie. "Yeah, I hear they went swimming together. Naked." "So what if we did?" he said quietly. "What?" Geoff Gregger asked, the leader of the bullies. "What did Tom say?" "I said, 'So what if we did?" now more forcefully. "Don't you know who she is?" Geoff asked. Yeah, she's my Annie. "She's my girl. And I don't want you talking to her or even looking at her." Tom scowled, but already a wicked seed of doubt was planted in his mind. He did his best to glare at Geoff, but his shallow confidence was drying up and becoming just a small puddle amidst three seas of violent waves. "She likes me," he said quietly. "What's that, Tommy? Do you think she actually likes you. You don't really believe that, do you?" "But we went swimming and-" Tom protested. Again, his mind was confused, and Tom began to get frightened, not of the bullies, but of the idea that his Annie didn't like him. He wanted to shout out that he loved her and that she loved him, but he didn't because he was afraid and didn't know how Geoff and the other boys knew that they had gone swimming. "What? You think she likes you because she allowed you to swim with her in the same river?" "Yes, we-" "Why don't do go ask her now. That's where she's at right now. You didn't think she'd want to see you after what you did to her?" Now Tom was really scared. What were they talking about? They had just swam in the river. He would never do anything to hurt his Annie. "You're lying!" Tom yelled, turning around and running from the schoolhouse. He ran straight to the bridge, not turning around or stopping at his house. He got there a few minutes later, out of breath and panting. He looked over the railing to see if his Annie was anywhere in sight. But he didn't see anything. Tom ran to the end of the bridge and down the side of the bank. As he ran, he stripped off his shirt and trousers. He ran into the river, quickly searching the are for any signs of Annie. If what Geoff and his friends had said was true, Annie was somewhere near here, and Tom didn't know how well she could swim. He was beyond scared now. He was terrified. Terrified he'd find his Annie's body floating in the river, her smile nothing more than the formless wax he had first compared her to. Then he heard laughing from somewhere. It took him a moment to find where it was coming from, and then he looked up to the top of the bridge. Geoff and his friends were leaning over the railing, pointing to him and making jokes about him. They were making fun of him again. "We never thought you'd do it, Tom," Geoff laughed. "You're even more stupid than we thought." Tom's fear was replaced by rage. All his life, he had been made fun of, but he had managed to ignore it. And then Annie had come, and he had felt he had found a true friend. And they were teasing him about her. They didn't believe she had really said she liked him. But what did they know? They hadn't swam with her, seen her almost naked. Tom walked towards the muddy bank of the river. He didn't care what showed and what they thought. He searched the ground for his clothes, but they were not where he'd left them. "Looking for these, Tommy?" Tom glared up at Geoff, who was holding his clothes in his hands and dangling them above the river on the opposite side of the bridge, upstream from Tom. "Give me those back!" Tom slipped and crawled up the muddy bank and ran to the edge of the bridge. By now, he was completely covered with mud, and the bullies were rolling with laughter on the wooken planks of the bridge. Except Geoff. "You want 'em? Come get 'em!" Geoff yelled, and threw Tom's clothes over the railing and into the river. Suddenly, Tom heard a scream. "No!" As if in slow motion, Tom watched his Annie go over the railing, reaching for his clothes and falling over the edge in the process. He watched her body land in the water, saw the splash, and then nothing. He ran to the other side of the bridge, but her body wasn't to be seen. Without thinking, Tom climbed the railing and jumped over. As he was falling, he caught a glimpse of her still body rolling lazily down the river with the current. Then he was in the water, coming down hard on the bottom. He thought he heard something crack, but he felt nothing. Tom kicked and pulled down the river to where he thought he had seen her, letting the current pull him along. But every time he saw her, she was further down the river and gaining speed. With all his strength, Tom swam down the stream. After what seemed like minutes and miles of trees and other foliage passing by, Tom finally caught her. He managed to grab her around the waist, but his strength had been wasted just trying to catch her, and he knew he'd never be able to get her to shore. As Tom and his Annie were swept further downstream, Tom could feel submerged rocks and branches scraping his legs, soon numbing them into a dull, throbbing existence apart from Tom's conscious. Tom realized it was now or never, and he began to pull with his right arm as his left had hold of Annie. His legs were almost useless, but he managed to give small, feeble kicks. Slowly, he made progress to the nearest shore. He was almost there, when a large, sharp, submerged branch struck his legs. He lost all contact with Annie, and was quickly pulled under. When he came up, he managed to glimpse her body, still by the branch. Her shirt had been caught on the log, and she floated in the water, he body rocked by the current. Tom's last words before he went under were: "Annie, I love you." Epilogue A light shone in my eyes. I opened them, blinking up into the harsh glare. I had a vague feeling that something was wrong with my legs, but I was so disoriented, I didn't know what to think. The light was removed from my eyes, and amid the imprints of the bulb on my retina, I was able to make out the face of my cousin, Sarah. Tears streamed down her face. "Thank goodness you're alive," she said, sobbing. "What happened?" I managed to stutter, my mouth feeling very dry. "You were hit by a car. I thought you were dead." "I wasn't dead. The old man was talking to me," I told her. "What?" she asked, not having any idea what I was talking about. "Who?" "The old man. He told me about his Annie." Oh yeah, if you made it down this far, there's a lot more great stories and poems posted at my site by different people: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/belong.html e-mail: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net IRC: #rotterham on Efnet listserv: midnightclub@attitude.org internet: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/midnightclub.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/baseoface.html "Such an injustice, as children we are told that from God we fell." - Jewel "Their precious midnight club - would there ever be another?" - - Christopher Pike, The Midnight Club ------------------------------ From: the emperor of smurfs Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:52:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: NJC: shakey??? hi all! has anyone heard from Shakey? a.k.a. Jack Mullins if anyone hears from him, please have him get in touch with me i haven't heard from him in about 2 months, and my emails have gone unanswered thanks, dave *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* Dave DiCicco peaches@dmapub.dma.org "Innocence Maintained" is a moderated, news only email list providing its subscribers with timely information about Jewel Kilcher. If you would like to learn more about subscribing to IM or you have a news item to contribute, please email me. *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ From: snowboarder@mindspring.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:08:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Everything Hola fellow Jewel fans, Let me introduce myself first, I am 16 and a big Jewel fan. I live in Auburn Washington. I saw Her in concert at the Puyallup fair, It was an amazing show. I think she is the most tallented female musician of the decade probably. She really knows how to involve the crowd in the music. I love her music that has meaning and plain old tallent. I was on the list untill around the time of Jewelstock when i had to begin work and move to my father where there is no puter so i missed out on any tape trees of jewel stock so if anyone could e-mail me privately about that, thanks! I joined the mailing list in digest form and recieved about 10 digest most of which were 1/2 full of flames and that really angers me because were not here to bicker and bitch about each other if you have qualms talk to the person in private. I am really tired aobut everyone saying the same thing that sean is an idiot. Well that about sums it up, adios for now, Bryce Wood P.S. can everyone send me any other bands that they know of mailing list address Thanks ***************************************************************************** "I gotta machinehead" Gavin Rossdale "There's no Sex in you Violence." Gavin Rossdale "I fear that I am ordinary just like everyone" Billy Corgan "They don't gotta burn the books, they just remove 'em" Zach de la Rocha "It's easier not to be great" Ed Kowalcazycz "So tear me open but beware this things inside without a care" James Hetfield "You wanna hear about my new obsession, I'm riding high on a deep depresion" Shirley Manson "I can't use what i can't abuse" Shirley Manson Still trying to find a good Jewel quote that i think is perfect *************************************************************************** zzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzz snowboarder@mindspring.com Zombie69 on irc =) ------------------------------ From: aaronc@student.umass.edu Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:05:46 -0500 Subject: Re: jewel-digest V1 #781 does anyone have any more information about the 12/3/96 show at the university of new hampshire or the show in hartford, ct on 12/7/96? are the tickets sold already? were there ever tickets? anything would help...sorry if someone has already said this but i must have missed it. thanks, aaron ------------------------------ From: FaithWA99@aol.com Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:20:59 -0500 Subject: Jewel Thanks Hi, my name is Jackie St. John. I'm 15, and I just wannt to tell you how much I love your music and can't wait until your new album comes out. I went to your concert at the Puyallup fair in WA. It was great. I sat in the 3rd row. Well....I really don't know what to say. I guess I'm in doubt that you'll actually get this or not. I just want to tell you Happy Holidays and that you have a lot of fans who love your music and are looking forward to hearing more songs. P.S. I loved when you did the Melissa Ethridge Duets. You sounded beautiful. Fondly, Jackie St. John Tacoma, WA ------------------------------ From: Anthony Trudeau Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:22:54 -0600 Subject: RE: Neo-folkie The only label I would give it is "Jewel", but that's just me. Tony Trudeau home: agate@goldengate.net work: ttrudeau@fs.com - ---------- From: Thirza Pearl[SMTP:tpearl@mail.idt.net] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 1996 10:32 AM To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: Re: Neo-folkie Well I have only heard her music called country once, but i dont understand why. there is only one song of hers that has the slightest hint of country. If we have to define her music i think the word would be Angelic. I think that is a great way to define her music, can anyone else think of something better? thirza ------------------------------ From: Anthony Trudeau Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:26:38 -0600 Subject: RE: Jewel Thanks Psst. You need to send this to (ABershaw@aol.com). Nice note though. - ---------- From: FaithWA99@aol.com[SMTP:FaithWA99@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 1996 6:20 PM To: jewel@smoe.org Subject: Jewel Thanks Hi, my name is Jackie St. John. I'm 15, and I just wannt to tell you how much I love your music and can't wait until your new album comes out. I went to your concert at the Puyallup fair in WA. It was great. I sat in the 3rd row. Well....I really don't know what to say. I guess I'm in doubt that you'll actually get this or not. I just want to tell you Happy Holidays and that you have a lot of fans who love your music and are looking forward to hearing more songs. P.S. I loved when you did the Melissa Ethridge Duets. You sounded beautiful. Fondly, Jackie St. John Tacoma, WA ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #782 ***************************