From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #775 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Saturday, 16 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 775 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC: Re: Educate don't condemn NJC : Hei there ahh despiration Jewel interview RE: jewel-digest V1 #756 Re: jewel-digest V1 #756 NJC: Phew NJC: IRC, Reading ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gregdunn@blue.indy.net Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:05:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: NJC: Re: Educate don't condemn "James McGarry said:" > > I would have to agree with Mike. I'd say anecdotally of the people I know, > women are more like to read books and are also more likely to read > "serious" books (e.g. like "Tropic of Cancer", etc.) And these are > "educated" "professional" men. Though in my peer group women are also > more likely to hold more advanced degrees... Yeah; in my personal experience, my female friends have a greater breadth and depth of experience in literature. My wife and daughter have read far more books in their lives (think about it -- one of them is 16) than I have. I consider myself moderately well-read, but I'm always learning something from Toni, who absorbs knowledge like a sponge. FWIW, the males I hang out with are far better read than most of my peers, too. It's not elitism or snobbery on my part -- I just find myself able to interact best with people who are intelligent AND literate. - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | GregDunn@aol.com | knowledge is not wisdom; | | GregDunn@indy.net | wisdom is not truth." | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn/ | Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ From: lforter@prairie.NoDak.edu (Cole) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:31:54 -0600 Subject: NJC : Hei there Hei, I've been on this list about 2 weeks or so now, but I never introduced myself so here goes. I'm Cole, I'm from St. Louis Missouri, but I go to school in Grand Forks North Dakota which seems to be a very Jewel-unfriendly place :l I'm 21 years old, and don't really have any special talents except I'm nice and can speak Norwegian and a little Swedish, do those count?. Other bands I like? Bjork, Lush, Lenny Kravitz, and Jewel would be on my everyday play list, but I listen to a bit of everything except NIN or They might be giant type stuff. If there are any EDA's who want to email someone "for the hell of it, the smell of it, or ooo ooo ooo for the yell of it" I'm your man, cause, well, I'm in North Dakota and pretty much have all the time in the world to answer a fellow EDA's email. There aren't too many people here who care for Jewel it seems, so I need some Jewel-pals. Any EDA's here in North Dakota? Cole newbie-extraordinare lfortner@prairie.nodak.edu "for the hell of it, the smell of it, or ooo ooo ooo for the yell of it" Salt n' Peppa - Whatta man :) ------------------------------ From: Fuzzy & Piglet Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:47:15 +0500 Subject: ahh despiration hi all its me (removing lurking suit) I would really appreciate it if someone in the know of how to unsubscribe and then resubscribe to the digest would help me out, I left to go to the theater to see VA Tech's production of the Tempest and I got 60+ messages in six hours!!! what is going on here. I'm not even going to say a word about the man/woman issue. So I need some help here, please send it privatly, or else I will be forced to go to the news list...in essence exile for me. now for a few comments (evil grin): I wish I could dye my hair... So since Toni pointed out that Rainbow Bright actually had blonde hair does that mean we can now call Jewel "Rainbow Bright" and Toni "Jewel"?... How did I miss the new tree...?!?!?! oh well I'll just get it later umm... I think that is it, except see you all in IRC (any undernet server) in #Jewel at 9:00pm EST (USA), I'll be there as Purple21. Hope to see some regulars and some new faces also, and I'll help you fight the lag. take care all, and much love, Robb "Let go those bright tomorrows, What's there is filled with sorrow" -- The Ocean Blue Robb's Editorials, Writings, & Bootlegs http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rleigh/robb.html updated 11/13/96 rleigh@vt.edu, 56th Angel, IRC nickname Purple21 ------------------------------ From: Thirza Pearl Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:57:47 +0100 Subject: Jewel interview This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4106697B9FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just went to a web page that Had a really great interview with jewel. I learned some stuff that I had not known about her before (Did you know that she used to steal cars for fun when she was younger?) here is the address : - --------------4106697B9FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="jewel.htm" Jewel [Image] Jewel in the Rough Writer: Nio Morton Jewel has a broken tooth. A small gapped smile that you never see in any of the photographs. The tooth makes her more human on the one hand and exposes the deceptiveness of the record industry and herself as the willing accomplice, on the other. If you look at the CD cover on her new album Pieces of You, Jewel looks all innocent, fresh and hippie. Cute trick but don't fall for it. She's smart, she's been around. Jewel knows how to use that winning innocent smile to coax an audience to applause. On stage Jewel is extremely aware of how to use her sexuality in combination with an opera trained voice which moves easily from a coo to a full throated cry. She also works the camera well and as her minder lets me know, "She's so easy to work with." While I watch Jewel poses for a couple of shots for a glossy rock magazine without the slightest trace of self confidence. That's why this singer/songwriter is going to be here for a while, there's street smarts there and an understanding of the industry. If you haven't heard of Jewel Kilcher yet, don't be surprised. In the USA she's been building a profile over the last year, selling her CD, more through her performances than the album itself. The album you see is also deceptive. It doesn't indicate for a second the power of her voice which drew comparisons of everything from Tori Amos to Melissa Etheridge during her recent promotional tour performance. Her brief life story quickly explains why. Jewel was raised on an 800-acre homestead in Homer, Alaska. Since the age of five she has been performing, initially with her parents, singing songs for tourists. Her junior and senior years of high school were spent at Interlochen Fine Arts Academy in Michigan where she learnt to sing, using opera techniques, (something which is seldom mentioned in press releases). After the school years Jewel eventually settled in San Diego, after working a string of dead end jobs. Jewel decided this was not the way to live and moved into her VW Kombi and began to write songs. By 1993 she was performing to sparse crowds at a coffeehouse on Pacific Beach called the Inner Change where she developed a Thursday night residency and some pretty good reviews. The sets at these residencies lasted between 3-4 hours and Jewel debuted a few new songs nearly every week. (Jewel fans and bootleggers estimate that Jewel has written in excess of 150 original tunes) Soon, people were being turned away at the door. Around this time, the news of the young (19) singer had gotten to LA. Record executives began driving down to sleepy San Diego to catch the shows and after a brief courtship, she was signed to Atlantic Records. Since then it's been one upward ride. "It's like a second life," she enthuses. "It's given me a direction, a purpose. I've worked the 9-5 and done the waitress thing and so I know what those things are like. I just can't believe at times that I'm traveling all over the world and being paid for doing what I love." The question has to be asked whether she would give up this new life for anything. "No, I'm too young to give it up for love or anything else like that and this is my life, now you know. There's nothing more important." Not only is Jewel being paid for what she loves, she also has the opportunity to tour with some of her heroes. She has toured with Bob Dylan, though when the talk turns to stardom and how it effects people she refuses to be drawn on whether his notoriety has affected him. It seems as if someone has instilled the old chestnut - if you can't say something nice well.....you know the rest. Judging by the internet response and record sales in the USA, Jewel is well on her way to becoming a high profile singer/songwriter, which invariably means that she is going to become a role model to millions of screaming fans who can't think for themselves. It's really not something she considers all that much. "Role models are all around us, everybody's a role model, the wino or any person in the street. You're a role model as much as the next person. I've got something to say, and it's good to know that people will listen to it, but I don't want them to lead their lives according to my words." Her ability with words is also apparent in her shows where she breaks up the songs with humorous stories from her past. While these stories appear completely spontaneous throughout the course of the show, they are in fact well practiced. Her famous hemp tale, set in Mexico, where she somehow becomes involved in a drug bust is a case in point, the fact that she flares her nostrils while tuning her guitar a seeming throwaway comment has been in her repertoire for years. She has retold both these anecdotes since the coffee shop days. The same is also true of the Ike Turner tale. Her stories have just been polished over time, as you would polish a jewel. This ability to make something well practiced look spontaneous is an enviable talent. Even with an awareness that she isn't telling the audience these stories for the first time, the crowds are still right there with her. Jewel also has a habit of asking questions of the interviewer. Her favourites include 'which would you prefer to be, a fish or a star?' Or on other days 'a dinner bell or a train horn.' According to Jewel this tells her a lot about a person. Jewel prefers to be a star herself. "From a star you can see everything. You know I believe that stars actually alive, that they actually talk to each other. That they can kind of feel and see everything in the universe." Jewel also believes in angels in much the same way that Tori Amos believes in faeries. At this point you can start thinking oh no hippie chick, but then she's got this other side. The side that "used to steal cars for fun when I was a kid," and that also reads Plato. "I liked the hard light he gave to everything. Everything has a clear and rational explanation. I still love Plato but I think you have to temper that thinking with emotion and come to some type of balance." Got something to say ...? - --------------4106697B9FD-- ------------------------------ From: aphrodite Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:15:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: jewel-digest V1 #756 I agree with you. I don't want to see Jewel any more commercialized than you do, but at the same time, we all want to see her reach that peak of success within the mainstream so that EVERYONE will know how good she is...sometimes, commercial's the only way to touch the mainstream. But nevertheless, you're right. It's like you think of it like, "I'm the one who saw her FIRST and told YOU (all the rest of the people who've JUST come to appreciate Jewel) all along that she was good. It's almost like you feel a sense of jealousy toward the people who've just now discovered her/her music. I felt that way when she played a venue here in San Diego for the Del Mar Fair this past summer. It wasn't a HUGE HUGE crowd, but still, it was annoying to see these "other" people there. But in the end, I guess I was mostly happy because Jewel got that much more exposure....so....I dunno. I hope she just doesn't go way TOO commercial on this next album. That would be a disappointment because that's just not her. It should just be her/her guitar, I think. Well, that's my two cents. Peace, Love and happiness, Fellow Angel, Priscilla On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, CASEY HANSEN wrote: > What's wrong with everyone. Why do you all want Jewel to be such an enormous > success? Don 't get me wrong, she is my absolute favorite artists of all > time but why do you want her to be so big. So she can forget about the fans > that liked her before the hype and before radio and MTV started playing her > song. That is wrong of you. I'm glad she has money and success and > everything, but when I go to see her in concert, I want to go see her in a > place that only holds like 100 people there for making her shows way more > intimate and special, I do not want to have to camp out overnight to get > tickets. I want as little people to know about her as possible. For those of > you that knew about her in February or sooner. Didn't it hurt a little when > people who you have been telling Jewel about for months comes up to you, > (People who don't deserve to hear Jewel) and say, "Have you heard of Jewel, > she's great". That really pisses me off. > > Just remember, the smaller , the better, and selling a lot of records does not > make you a better artist, the fact that you are good makes you a good artist. > > Danke, > Casey > ------------------------------ From: Thirza Pearl Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 00:34:04 +0100 Subject: Re: jewel-digest V1 #756 CASEY HANSEN wrote: > > What's wrong with everyone. Why do you all want Jewel to be such an enormous > success? Don 't get me wrong, she is my absolute favorite artists of all > time but why do you want her to be so big. So she can forget about the fans > that liked her before the hype and before radio and MTV started playing her > song. That is wrong of you. I'm glad she has money and success and > everything, but when I go to see her in concert, I want to go see her in a > place that only holds like 100 people there for making her shows way more > intimate and special, I do not want to have to camp out overnight to get > tickets. I want as little people to know about her as possible. For those of > you that knew about her in February or sooner. Didn't it hurt a little when > people who you have been telling Jewel about for months comes up to you, > (People who don't deserve to hear Jewel) and say, "Have you heard of Jewel, > she's great". That really pisses me off. > > Just remember, the smaller , the better, and selling a lot of records does not > make you a better artist, the fact that you are good makes you a good artist. > > Danke, > Casey Well casey you are right in some ways, It is better to go to a concert with a small crowd. My favorite quote of Jewels was "Hard wood takes time to grow" Which means that soft wood is like an overnight sensation, It grows fast but does not last nearly as long, but Hardwood takes time to grow and build itself up but will last for a long time. So Even though It may be better that she has a small group of fans She deserves To be very famous, and if that is what makes her happy I hope she does become a big star. Thirza Pearl ------------------------------ From: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net (Scott Broughton) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:36:26 -0500 Subject: NJC: Phew Rich wrote: The list seems to be getting interresting again. Some good things to write about. A lot like it was back in the summer. Thank goodness, some people thought it was getting worse. =) Don't worry, I agree with you, but I never thought it was bad when I joined in September. - -Scott e-mail: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net IRC: #rotterham on Efnet listserv: midnightclub@attitude.org internet: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/midnightclub.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/baseoface.html "Such an injustice, as children we are told that from God we fell." - Jewel "Their precious midnight club - would there ever be another?" - - Christopher Pike, The Midnight Club ------------------------------ From: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net (Scott Broughton) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 23:38:27 -0500 Subject: NJC: IRC, Reading I noticed that Damon's post was mainly IBM. I use Ircle for Mac. You can get it (I think) at: http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive/Archive/comm/inet/ircle-25.hqx I use the server: US.Undernet.org and that usually connects me. If you got any questions, I'd be glad to answer them. I also love to read, altho most of what I read isn't that...what's the word used...well, they're more for entertainment. Some of my favorite books are The Lord of the Rings (well, all of Tolkien's), The Season of Passage by Christopher Pike (all of his too), A Time To Kill, The Hounds of the Morrigan, V.C. Andrews. Do I get a lot of educational value out of them? Probly not, but they're good books, imo, and what's the joy in reading if you don't enjoy it? I am made "intelligent" enough from school. Gerry suggested we all read a book together. I've done something similar to that in my club a couple times, only everyone submitted a book and I shuffled them and gave each person a book to read. I really enjoyed it myself because I now like reading Dean Koontz. Maybe someone could organize this. Either way, I think this is a great idea. Scott "needs to post some JC soon or else he'll get sick of reading his own posts" Broughton PS: Won't it be great when all us can say "Remember the #772 digest?" =) PSS: Flame retardent computers...get em while they're hot...er, cool. e-mail: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net IRC: #rotterham on Efnet listserv: midnightclub@attitude.org internet: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/midnightclub.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/baseoface.html "Such an injustice, as children we are told that from God we fell." - Jewel "Their precious midnight club - would there ever be another?" - - Christopher Pike, The Midnight Club ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #775 ***************************