From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #751 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Sunday, 10 November 1996 Volume 01 : Number 751 Today's Subjects: ----------------- TABS???? Re: jewel-digest V1 #750 WTTS CD w/Jewel last call for b-day survey To Kerry and all...was: for everyone to read Re: Neo-Nazis in EDA NJC NJC Re: neo-nazi's... (coughjewelcough): Overwhelmed By An Angel NJC: Makes me think of Adrian NJC: Fiona Apple on SNL 11/16 JewelStock Digest Memories mailing list - back for another run JewelStock Tapes: The tapes are NOT for those not on this mailing list Testing... Re: NJC: Makes me think of Adrian Hello EDAs couple things a SURE way to catch the YWMFM video ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ctoepel@MIT.EDU Date: Thu, 07 Nov 1996 14:40:45 EST Subject: TABS???? HEY JEWEL FANS!!!!! Hi. I am a BIG NEWBIE. But, instead of tapes I'm really interested in guitar tabs for Jewel songs. Do anyone of you know a web site where i can get some? All I have is "Who will save your soul" and "Pieces of you". I'm ESPECIALLY interested in "You were meant for me". Respond to me personally or on the list if you can help. THANKS!!! :-) - -------------------------------------------------------------------- - -Chris Toepel :-) http://www.mit.edu/people/ctoepel/home.html "Oh, I'm sorry; Did I break your concentration?" -PF This message brought to you by: Toepel Software Kicking Microsoft's Ass Since 1996 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: PutzMan1@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:34:30 -0500 Subject: Re: jewel-digest V1 #750 Yeah, I'm an EDA from AZ. ------------------------------ From: gregdunn@indy.net (Greg Dunn) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:44:48 -0500 Subject: WTTS CD w/Jewel OK, this info is courtesy of the station's general manager (also a Jewel fan; apparently he saw her in Colorado last year on vacation) and via TH, a Jewel fan in Bloomington who kindly consented to my reposting. Here's a list of the sixteen artists featured: Joan Osborne Spacehog Gin Blossoms The Why Store Dave Matthews Band Cowboy Junkies Primitive Radio Gods The Cranberries Hootie and the Blowfish Natalie Merchant Dishwalla Jewel Deep Blue Something Jars Of Clay Paul Westerberg Elvis Costello We think the Jewel cut is previously unreleased, but until we get a complete track listing there's no way to be sure. MAMIK (More as more is known). - -- | Greg Dunn | I really think it's better this | | GregDunn@aol.com | way; the more you suffer, the | | gregdunn@indy.net | more you show you really care. | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn | The Offspring | ------------------------------ From: amelie@juno.com (Amelie R Cabanas-Brown) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 14:57:22 EST Subject: last call for b-day survey Hey guys, This is then last call for the birthday survey. If you haven't already, then e-mail me your birthday (you don't have to include the year) before Friday. That's when I'll post the results. Laters. Amelie ------------------------------ From: QRyche76@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:16:28 -0500 Subject: To Kerry and all...was: for everyone to read >Hey man, >I don't think that "KKK-of-the-EDA" thing was appropriate. >I'm saddened that you would call a fellow EDA that or feel that you've >been mistreated. >I'm a newbie too, I feel no hatred or humiliation by any other EDA here. >I can't understand this hostility! As the author of the KKK line, I apologize to all who felt that they were the target of a literal comparison. In absolutely no way can I ever imagine myself absorbing the scrutiny that victims of that group endure. I, also, did not presume to be speaking for all newbies (or whatever the p.c. term for under-6-months EDAs). In closing of the KKK line, it was merely intended as an analogy..it was late, I wasn't thinking about the whole picture, and it seemed like an okay idea at the time. Just to kinda clear the air, I have no hostility towards the list or any particular member. I have adored this experience and will always do so. In my original post, I did state that I was speaking to "the few who hate newbies." Maybe suche people do not actually exist, but I was responding to a post that was calling for a vote to see who was...1.) for newbies....2.) no newbies...3.) abstain. I felt this post was extremely unfair for all of us who are new to this list. My ultimate goal was to make the author of this post and whoever may agree with it to understand that it was unfair. >Maybe I shouldn't be saying >this because I myself can't understand why me as a newbie can't >understand why some other newbies are feeling like this!!! Again, let me re-iterate that I do not presume to speak for anybody else. As for responding privately to the author of the newbie-vote post, I did not know whether or not he/she spoke for others, so I had to send it to everybody. It's just like the state of Illinois should know when California is voting on legalizing marijuana for medicinal puposes. My post did not pertain to probably 98% of you, but you still should know about it. >If someone's >making you feel uncomfortable, tell them in a polite way! I did and I >got some tapes because of it. ;) I didn't know the kind of people I was talking to even existed. Perhaps their newbie-vote thing was just a simple idea run amok (as was my response)...I was hoping that people would know when it would or would not be intended to them. And as for the people I was talking to, if they actually do exist, I would want nothing from them in apology. Anyway, I am sorry if the 98% of you did not wish to be dragged into my ravings. I know I've learned a lesson from this. I hope we all have, somehow. - Mark R.I.P. Newbie thread, the EDAs don't need you now...melt away. ------------------------------ From: QRyche76@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:16:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Neo-Nazis in EDA In a message dated 96-11-10 09:38:55 EST, you write: >Fellow Everyday Angels, >To contrary belief I think that not one EDA is neo nazi, sure maybe some >beleive in free speach and all but none actually beleive in killing people >because of their color of skin. >Thankie, >Ruthie Gee, I hope there's not a popular belief that there is neo-Nazism in the EDA. I just can't see Adolf Hitler humming, "I'm Sensitive, and I'd like to stay that way." Maybe Boris Yeltsin would after a few shots, but he's an extra special kind of democracy, ain't he? - Mark ------------------------------ From: David Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 11:10:59 -1000 Subject: NJC NJC Re: neo-nazi's... At 11:14 AM 11/10/96 +0200, it was written: >Yes, freedom of speech is very important, but we have to really think of >what's going on. By allowing neo-nazis to talk about things they think are >important, we are allowing them to openly make their stands, brainwash >those who are too innocent to understand what they really are, and >organize their campaign against Democracy! So you wish to choose the topics of _conversation_ that are permitted in your "democracy" (as well as who gets to make a public stand) in order to protect those you deem too "innocent" to accurately understand the conversation? > With all it's >benefits, our system of government has one major flaw - it is very >vulnerable to inside pressure. Actually,the major vulnerability of democracy is from an ignorant and splintered electorate being manipulated by those who have a vested interest in keeping them ignorant/splintered and maintaining the status quo. The fact that there is always the inherent hope in a democracy that it can be changed from within (inside pressure if you prefer) is the biggest attribute of that type of government. It seems to me that your late P.M. was trying to utilize this aspect of democratic rule to make changes from within when the opposite of a neo-nazi used decidedly undemocratic methods in an attempt to prevent change from taking place... > We must therefor defend ourselves against >these enemies of our freedom, even at the cost of some of their, and even >our, freedom. Perhaps you could explain how a defense based on limiting _our_ freedom so _they_ can't limit it would preserve the average democracy rather than diminish it? > Living in a democracy doesn't mean you're free to do what >you want, it means you are free to do what you want _so long as it doesn't >hurt anyone_. This means that noone has the right to say the things these >fiends say about me, or about anyone else, just because I'm Jewish, or >they're black, or yellow, or red, or pink, or even purple with green >spots. > Actually,in the democracy I live in,I have the right to call you pretty much anything I desire regardless of whether it hurts your feelings or not.(That may not be true where you live.) I can't call you on the phone to do it,but if you call me I can. I can't come to your house to do it,but if you come to mine I could. If I choose to insult you in public I have that right. There may be repercussions from this excercise of free speech,like getting the sh*t kicked out of me,nobody buying my albums,not being very well liked,etc. but that is another story... For the record,I voted no on that newsgroup about 8 months ago...rec.music didn't seem to be an appropriate place for it. Maybe alt.trashcan... all IMHO & Aloha- David ------------------------------ From: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net (Scott Broughton) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:22:42 -0500 Subject: (coughjewelcough): Overwhelmed By An Angel Ok, first of all, I have to say... "Dave is the greatest guy! Thanx for the tapes!" (And thanx to everyone who was a part of making JS and the tapes!) Yes, I got them yesterday. I've only listened to JewelStock Part 1 because it's overwhelming enough as it is. Only one song I've heard before, Don't. It is just unreal. Someone, please, send me the digests before and after JS. [...After all of JS...] Wow... I heard Jewel yodel. =) It was so funny, but in a good way. I heard Race Car Driver and Nikos. I'm listening to Innerchange Days now, 3 tapes to go. I'm not making sense, but oh well. It was so different hearing Foolish Games with a guitar. And here's Sometimes It Be That Way...I love that song! Last night I nearly fell asleep to the end of JS... How am I ever gonna memorize all these songs? I really do feel so fortunate to share in them even tho I wasn't around during JS. LilSister, send me the tapes as soon as you can. I don't know how the people in charge want or don't want these tapes to be distributed, but I want to share them with everyone I can. I've told LilSister (Ruth) that I would make her tapes, and I want to. Is that allright? I also want to make them for Sara, a girl who isn't on this list but who first really exposed me to Jewel. (Do any of you remember that story?) I think of her as a rebel everyday angel. I've never met her, but I feel like I know her better than a lot of my friends, and she probly knows me better than most of my friends too. We've made another Jewel fan on our mailing list. Sara shared the lyrics of Painters with us, and Maria (the new Jewel fan) wants me to make her tapes. Like I said, I want to share these tapes (JS, ID, & RA) with everyone I can, but I also want to make sure it's OK. So is it OK? Can I be a tree to the rest of the world? I have a mission for all of you. I wrote a while ago that I shared lyrics with my English class for the 'Thought for the Day'. Like I used 'Cause anyone can start a conflict, it's harder yet to disregard it.' NO ONE's heard of Jewel. I tell people she's a singer, but they don't know who I'm talking about. My pseudo-friend (who really bugs me sometimes) [A Housewive's Revenge...I love that song too!] anyway, he always asks, "So does she sing *country*?" It really pisses me off, not because he thinks it's country, but because of the way he says it. So here's what I need. If you think of some short lyrics that make you think and would work as a Thought for the Day, e-mail me them. He might not know who Jewel is, but at least he'll know what she sings. And hopefully, someone will take notice of Jewel's lyrics and maybe go and buy her CD. (This other girl also asked who Jewel was, and said I was obsessed. We were talking about that a while ago, so I thought I'd share.) Following this is a letter that was sent to me by another person on my list. I hope it will mean something to you, and sorry if it's not exactly Jewel content. We are everyday angels, Scott e-mail: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net listserv: midnightclub@attitude.org internet: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/midnightclub.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/baseoface.html "Such an injustice, as children we are told that from God we fell." - Jewel "Their precious midnight club - would there ever be another?" - - Christopher Pike, The Midnight Club ------------------------------ From: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net (Scott Broughton) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 15:23:55 -0500 Subject: NJC: Makes me think of Adrian A Letter to a 'Silent' Brother Dear Patrick, I was then an only child who had everything I could ever want. But even a pretty, spoiled and rich kid could get lonely once in a while so when Mom told me that she was pregnant, I was ecstatic. I imagined how wonderful you would be and how we'd always be together and how much you would look ike me. So, when you were born, I looked at your tiny hands and feet and marveled at how beautiful you were. We took you home and I showed you proudly to my friends. They would touch you and sometimes pinch you, but you never reacted. When you were five months old, some things began to bother Mom. You seemed so unmoving and numb, and your cry sounded odd -- almost like a kitten's. So we brought you to many doctors. The thirteenth doctor who looked at you quietly said you have the "cry du chat" (pronounced kree-do-sha) syndrome, 'cry of the cat' in French. When I asked what that meant, he looked at me with pity and softly said, "Your brother will never walk nor talk." The doctor told us that it is a condition that afflicts one in 50,000 babies, rendering victims severely retarded. Mom was shocked and I was furious. I thought it was unfair. When we went home, Mom took you in her arms and cried. I looked at you and realized that word will get around that you're not normal. So to hold on to my popularity, I did the unthinkable ... I disowned you. Mom and Dad didn't know but I steeled myself not to love you as you grew. Mom and Dad showered you with love and attention and that made me bitter. And as the years passed, that bitterness turned to anger, and then hate. Mom never gave up on you. She knew she had to do it for your sake. Every time she put your toys down, you'd roll instead of crawl. I watched her heart break every time she took away your toys and strapped your tummy with foam so you couldn't roll. You'd struggle and you'd cry in that pitiful way, the cry of the kitten. But she still didn't give up. And then one day, you defied what all your doctors said -- you crawled. When Mom saw this, she knew that you would eventually walk. So when you were still crawling at age four , she'd put you on the grass with only your diapers on knowing that you hate the feel of the grass your skin. Then she'd leave you there. I would sometimes watch from the window and smile at your discomfort. You would crawl to the sidewalk and Mom would put you back. Again and again, Mom repeated this on the lawn. Until one day, Mom saw you pull yourself up and toddle off the grass as fast as your little legs could carry you. Laughing and crying, she shouted for Dad and I to come. Dad hugged you crying openly. I watched from my bedroom window this heartbreaking scene. Over the years, Mom taught you to speak, read and write. From then on, I would sometimes see you walk outside, smell the flowers, marvel at the birds, or just smile at no one. I began to see the beauty of the world around me, the simplicity of life and the onders of this world, through your eyes. It was then that I realized that you were my brother and no matter how much I tried to hate you, I couldn't, because I had grown to love you. During the next few days, we again became acquainted with each other. I would buy you toys and give you all the love that a sister could ever give to her brother. And you would reward me by smiling and hugging me. But I guess, you were never really meant for us. On your tenth birthday, you felt severe headaches. The doctor's diagnosis -- leukemia. Mom gasped and Dad held her, while I fought hard to keep my tears from falling. At that moment, I loved you all the more. I couldn't even bear to leave your side. Then the doctors told us that your only hope was to have a bonemarrow transplant. You became the subject of a nationwide donor search. When at last we found the right match, you were too sick, and the doctor reluctantly ruled out the operations. Since then, you underwent chemotherapy and radiation. Even at the end, you continued to pursue life. Just a month before you died, you made me draw up a list of things you wanted to do when you got out of the hospital. Two days after the list was completed, you asked the doctors to send you home. There, we ate ice cream and cake, run across the grass, flew kites, went fishing, took pictures of one another and let the balloons fly. I remember the last conversation that we had. You said that if you die, and if I need of help, I could send you a note to heaven by tying it on the string any a balloon and letting it fly. When you said this, I started crying. Then you hugged me. Then again, for the last time, you got sick. That last night, you asked for water, a back rub, a cuddle. Finally,you went into seizure with tears streaming down your face. Later, at the hospital, you struggled to talk but the words wouldn't come. I know what you wanted to say. "I hear you," I whispered. And for the last time, I said, "I'll always love you and I will never forget you. Don't be afraid. You'll soon be with God in heaven." Then, with my tears flowing freely, I watched the bravest boy I had ever known finally stop breathing. Dad, Mom and I cried until I felt as if there were no more tears left. Patrick was finally gone, leaving us behind. From then on, you were my source of inspiration. You showed me how to love life and live life to the fullest. With your simplicity and honesty, you showed me a world full of love and caring. And you made me realize that the most important thing in this life is to continue loving without asking why or how and without setting any limit. Thank you, my little brother, for all these. Your sister, SARAH ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ When the world crumbles, when life comes to an end, only then will true love prevail... e-mail: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net listserv: midnightclub@attitude.org internet: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/midnightclub.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/baseoface.html "Such an injustice, as children we are told that from God we fell." - Jewel "Their precious midnight club - would there ever be another?" - - Christopher Pike, The Midnight Club ------------------------------ From: Trent Smith Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 13:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NJC: Fiona Apple on SNL 11/16 The subject line pretty much says it all: Fiona Apple is scheduled to be the musical guest on "Saturday Night Live" on Nov. 16th (my b-day). She'll probably only get to do one song (presumably "Shadowboxer") but that's still quite a bit better than nothing! Since I know that there's a significant overlap in fan-bases between Jewel and Fiona Apple, I thought you folks might be interested to know this. Trent Smith P.S. If recent weeks have been anything to judge from, even if you're going to be home on saturday night, you'd still be better off to tape the show and then skip to the music segment(s). Consider yourselves warned. ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 16:42:23 -0500 Subject: JewelStock Digest Memories mailing list - back for another run Scott Broughton wrote: > Yes, I got them yesterday. I've only listened to JewelStock Part 1 because > it's overwhelming enough as it is. Only one song I've heard before, Don't. > It is just unreal. Someone, please, send me the digests before and after > JS. Well, I've done it before & I'll do it again. I'll start sending Scott the digests from the week before & the week after JewelStock. I'll start again this Wednesday night. If *anyone* else wants them, please EMAIL me privately. (It's a very good way to "feel" the way this list came together as one during this summer) Misty (MistyBC@aol.com), I'll start sending yours with this batch. I try to sending 4 or 5 digests a day (have a present group of 8 EDAs getting them), but have been missing some days lately....plain forgetfulness. Mike ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:04:53 -0500 Subject: JewelStock Tapes: The tapes are NOT for those not on this mailing list Scott Broughton wrote (about the JewelStock Tapes): {snip} > I don't know how the people in charge want or don't want > these tapes to be distributed, but I want to share them with everyone I > can. I've told LilSister (Ruth) that I would make her tapes, and I want to. > Is that allright? {snip} > I also want to make them for Sara, a girl who isn't on this list but who > first really exposed me to Jewel. {snip} > and Maria (the new Jewel fan) wants me to make her tapes. Like I said, > I want to share these tapes (JS, ID, & RA) with everyone I can, but I also > want to make sure it's OK. So is it OK? Can I be a tree to the rest > of the world? Sorry, for the JewelStock Tapes it is not alright. (for other tapes it is) For those of you rather new to this list and may not know, I'm Mike and was one of the main organizers of JewelStock, and the administrator of the JewelStock Tapes tree. I just got off the telephone with Alan Bershaw discussing this. (Alan Bershaw supplied the tapes to the tree thru Jewel's manager) Please note, that the rules set forth long ago governing this tape tree were made in conjunction with Jewel and Lenedra (her mother/manager) When the posts about this tape tree were made to this list, we stated to please keep these among ourselves....members of the EveryDay Angels (EDA) mailing list. It is desired that they ONLY go to people on this mailing list. The JewelStock concerts and the tape tree were a gift from Jewel to her fans on this list, not the whole world. It was her desire to thank her fans "on the internet" for their support. Please adhere to her wishes. Please remember we still have a 4th JewelStock Tape we would LOVE to be able to tree out. It contains material (Jewel and the band) that we cannot release at least until after Jewel's next CD comes out. If Jewelstock material shows up on a bootleg CD (Lord, I thought I was through with this bootleg CD subject), it will likely kill any chance of the 4th tape coming out. Spreading the JewelStock Tapes to people not on this list further risks that happening. Scott, It's not that I think your friend will do that, but for every EDA who makes a copy for someone not on this list, the risk spreads further because THOSE recipients of the tapes know nothing of the wishes of Jewel on this, and thus SOME of them will makes copies for others, and so on and so forth. So, PLEASE, all EDAs....do NOT make copies of these tapes for people not on this list. It was a gift to US, not the world. Mike Connell & Alan Bershaw ------------------------------ From: hgladman@mgdestmx01.erin.gov.au Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 11:39:53 EST Subject: Testing... I have arrived at work on Monday morning to NOT ONE EDA letter....this is so unusual I'm worried. There's usually about 100 when I arrive on MOndays. Is there a problem with the list server or something? If anyone gets this can you let me know so I know it's not a problem at my end? Thanks Helen ------------------------------ From: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net (Scott Broughton) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 19:10:46 -0500 Subject: Re: NJC: Makes me think of Adrian >Sarah, I have chills. >That was so beautiful. You and Patrick are angels, and he is always going to >be with you. I'm crying, I really am. >Larry Sorry, I didn't make that clear. The letter from Sarah was something I got from a member of my list, also not Sarah. But I yes, I believe they are angels too. I don't know how the letter originated, or if it actually happened, but it really touched me too. It would be nice to be able to write to Sarah. Thanx for reading, Larry. It's nice to know there's an open ear, even if it's not my words. Scott e-mail: brougdms@parkrapids.polaristel.net IRC: #rotterham on Efnet listserv: midnightclub@attitude.org internet: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/midnightclub.html http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7887/baseoface.html "Such an injustice, as children we are told that from God we fell." - Jewel Thanx to Dave DiCicco for my JewelStock tapes! "Their precious midnight club - would there ever be another?" - - Christopher Pike, The Midnight Club ------------------------------ From: S15876WL@umassd.edu Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1996 20:11:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Hello EDAs Hello to you all EDAs I jointed this mailing list only last week and the first impression I got about the this groups are nothing but great and you seems like a "small" unit. Strangely, I felt like I was intruding your privacy by reading conversation without you knowing who I am., which I am trying to change. Anyway, I do not have any news about Jewel to tell but there is two answer I have on two question that was ask by other EDAs. The first one is from Tom Kies II about Wizard of Oz in Concert video: I got the Wizard of Oz in Concert with Jewel and the only way that I got it was to call TNT customer and sale department. The number there are 1-800-201-8844. Make sure to ask for the show in Lincoln center. It is about $25 with shipping included. The second was from Sean P. Rader about picture of Jewel's signature: Well, I think I saw one on this web sit: http://www.audionet.com/concerts/jewel/ Well, thank you all maybe we will see each other on JSII, when ever if it comes. William Li - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Li Chemistry Dept. S15876wl@umassd.edu University Mass. at Dartmouth N. Dartmouth, Ma 02747 "I can't belief I missed JS I ! " - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: wrdavis@ite.net (Katherine Davis) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 11:13:29 -0800 Subject: couple things If anybody can answer these questions, please do: 1. What's the WTTS CD w/ Jewel? 2. When can we expect to hear if we made the new Jewel tree? 3. Why is it that I can't go to this KROQ amazing show? I mean Jewel, No Doubt, 311, Beck???????????????? C'on!!!! Is the station going to air it? I want a tape of it... 4. Do I post too much? ;) I mean..there's alot of people here who only post like once a month..Am I overdoing it? Am I the annoying neighbor who won't go away? Bye Kerry ------------------------------ From: Crash Boy Date: Mon, 11 Nov 1996 01:45:32 +0000 Subject: a SURE way to catch the YWMFM video hi guys! a friend of mine says that she usually watches The BOX every night before she goes to sleep (i don't know why), and that she's seen the YWMFM video on it a lot around that time. for those of you that don't know, The BOX is a dial-in music video channel, where you can basically order a video, and it'll come on a few minutes later, depending on the amount of videos being ordered at a time. of course, The BOX is probably local and not national, but i'm not sure about that. but she's from elizabeth, nj, and usually watches it around 11pm to 12am at night. so, if you still haven't seen the video, try The BOX around those times, and you just might catch it. or you can just order the video yourself, and presto! instant YWMFM video. but i think it's a huge step for jewel to actually be played on a jukebox video channel that's usually playing rap every time i switch to it. well, that's it. eric :) ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #751 ***************************