From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #637 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Monday, 30 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 637 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Patti Rothberg - Winter Schedule I want a dollar and a smoochie: RE CENSUS Re: Bootlegs are Cool(Hooks' return) Re: Bootlegs are Cool(Hooks' return) When is YWMFM on? Correction and when is YWMFM on? Re:Bootlegs are cool! NJC: My first Real Poem... (p.s: adam) 200 Performances this year.... Hi again... Re: NJC (but more LC) Re: Jeff's post NJC: McConnell Misc. Jewel facts Re: From Mr BB From Alan In response to SDF Angel JS tapes! NJC: Duncan Sheik in RS njc: huh? Can't we all just get along? just a observation... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Fuzzy & Piglet Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:36:47 +0600 Subject: Patti Rothberg - Winter Schedule Hey all, I got this off of the Dirt Digest, for Patti fans, thanks to Patti's Dad for posting it: PATTI ROTHBERG ITINERARY as of Sept. 24 Wed., Sept. 25 Munich, GERMANY European Promo Thur., Sept. 26 Duesseldorf, GERMANY European Promo Fri., Sept. 27 Oslo, NORWAY European Promo Mon., Sept. 30 ITALY European Promo Tue., Oct. 1 ITALY European Promo Sun., Oct. 6 San Francisco, CA Filmore (with Midnight Oil) Mon., Oct. 7 Los Angeles, CA House Of Blues (with Midnight Oil) Thu., Oct. 10 Chicago, IL Park West (with Midnight Oil) Sat., Oct. 12 Toronto, CAN TBA (with Midnight Oil) Mon., Oct. 14 New York, NY Irving Plaza (with Midnight Oil) Thur., Oct. 17 San Antonio, TX Hard Rock Cafe (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Fri., Oct. 18 Dallas, TX Hard Rock Cafe (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Sat., Oct. 19 Austin, TX Austin Music Hall (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Sun., Oct. 20 Charleston, SC WAVF Wavefest Concert Mon., Oct. 21 Baton Rouge, LA Varsity Theater (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Tue., Oct. 22 Jackson, MS Hal & Mal's (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Wed., Oct. 23 Nashville, TN Hard Rock Cafe (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Thu., Oct. 24 Atlanta, GA Hard Rock Cafe (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Sat., Oct. 26 Tampa, FL The Rubb (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Sun., Oct. 27 West Palm Beach, FL WPBZ Festival Mon., Oct. 28 Miami, FL Hard Rock Cafe (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Tue., Oct. 29 Orlando, FL Hard Rock Cafe (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) OR Carbaro, NC Cat's Cradle (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Wed., Oct. 30 Charlotte, NC Pterodactyl (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Thu., Oct. 31 Winston-Salem, NC Ziggy's (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Fri., Nov. 1 Ashville, NC Be Here Now (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Sat., Nov. 2 Charlottesville, VA Trax (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Mon., Nov. 4 Washington D.C. Hard Rock Cafe (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Tue., Nov. 5 New York, NY Hard Rock Cafe (w/ Prim. Radio Gods) Fri., Nov. 15 Osaka, JAPAN TBA Sat., Nov. 16 Nagoya, JAPAN TBA Mon., Nov. 18 Tokyo, JAPAN TBA Tue., Nov. 19 Tokyo, JAPAN TBA Tue., Dec. 3 Boston, MA WBCN Show Fri., Dec. 6 Boston, MA WXKX Show - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I'm going to show you how to operate in spirit" - Primitive Radio Gods Robb's Editorial and Writings http://www.vt.edu:10021/R/rleigh/robb.html updated 9/10/96 rleigh@vt.edu, IRC nickname Purple ------------------------------ From: Michael Alowitz Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:37:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: I want a dollar and a smoochie: RE CENSUS > >> months with comparative statistics, graphs (both pie and bar) and 8X10 >> color glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back >> of each one explaining what each one is. >> >> Chopped Liver (Charlie) Homo Insipid >> watkins@selway.umt.edu >> > >ARE YOU QUOTING WHAT I THINK YOUR QUOTING!!!! >if so you have been much elevated in my eyes!! >And everyone else who caught that is in my cool book too. > >SEnztvRtst >P.-on-the-S. first person to name the reference gets a dollar and a smoochie Alice's Restauant Masaccre, of course. If anyone out there doesn't know, its a 17 minute folk song about the draft, littering and stockbridge MA. I had a manager once at McDs who got a speeding ticket from Officer Obie. The survey was great. Thanks for putting it all together; it was quite interesting. I just wish more people would have contributed. Mike ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 12:01:38 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Bootlegs are Cool(Hooks' return) On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Sean Hooks wrote: > Bootlegs allow fans access to material they cannot get legally, > cannot, I repeat, cannot, get legally. How else can the true fan get this > material, what are we supposed to just live without it(moderate sarcasm)? So you are saying that just because you *really* want something that you can't get leaglly, the it's ok to get it illegally. Does this apply to cocaine and kiddie porn, also? CDs. For sound quality and efficiency, we need CDs. Unfortunately, you > cannot record directly onto them at concerts like you can do with tapes so > bootlegging is the only way to get a Jewel live CD. Will I buy them-yes. I > would give...well alot for a CD bootleg of Jewelstock, an awful f---ing > lot. You can probably get the tapes and burn your own CD for less than you'd buy it. Then you wouldn't be helping some sleaze ball rip off Jewel's livelihood. Just because an artist or label doesn't want to release live material *now* doesn't mean you have the right to usurp or undermine their future use of the material. If an oil company doesn't want to sell their reserve now, does that give you the right to steal it? This is about as morally contradictory (read immoral) and counter to your own claims of caring about Jewel as you can get. Read Mike's warning about why the band sets at JewelStock were not made available. Bootlegs of her concerts will get increasingly difficult to get if this CD trend continues. Jewel may have to go from asking anybody who taped a concert to send her a copy to asking us not to tape at all. > I'd pay good money for a CD bootleg of the May 21 Tradewinds Sea > Bright NJ performance too. Does that make me a bad person who doesn;t care > about Jewel? In some opinions expressed lately on the list, I think the > answer is yes. Oh well, too bad, you're wrong. Your possition is untennable. You say your care about Jewel, yet say you are willing to participate in ripping her off. It's unbelievable. Do you try for such contradictions or do they come naturally? > Well, that's about it for now. I'm psyched to see that mass market > exploitation hounds like MTV and Z100(in NY) are not playing YWMFM. The > video can only be seen randomly on VH1, where Jewel belongs, and there > only on Crossroads really, or on M2, which like twenty four people in > Oregon have and that's it. Here you call the media that pay to play exploitation hounds but you defend your own willingness to exploit Jewel. And you like it when only a few people can get to see and hear her new single, but you think CD bootlegs are cool and everyone has a right to produce, sell and but them. Your willingness to participate illegal activity is astounding. The buyer creates the demand for contaband and is thus a more crimanally culpable the the people who produce it. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu Share publicly, flame privately, " 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it ". ------------------------------ From: Uilleann Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:14:44 -0400 Subject: Re: Bootlegs are Cool(Hooks' return) Maybe this was discussed and I missed it, but what about the anti-bootlegger, the one who gets a bootleg (by paying the cash for it) and then mass-distributes it, shutting of the financial incentive for the original pirate (ever seen anyone try to sell a Grateful Dead boot?) Just a thought - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: "Peter Jones" Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:46:39 -0400 Subject: When is YWMFM on? I have had VH1 on since 8:30 this morning, and 6+ hours later, You Were Meant For Me has still not been played. WWSYS has been on at least three times, but not YWMFM. Has anyone noticed a general time they play it each day? As much as I enjoy music behind me as I work, I can't stand having Mariah Carey play anywhere within 500 feet of me, let alone Hootie and the Bottom Scrapers! Thanks, Peter ------------------------------ From: "Peter Jones" Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:49:42 -0400 Subject: Correction and when is YWMFM on? I have had VH1 on since 8:30 this morning, and 6+ hours later, You Were Meant For Me has still not been played. WWSYS has been on at least three times, but not YWMFM. Has anyone noticed a general time they play it each day? As much as I enjoy music behind me as I work, I can't stand having Mariah Carey play anywhere within 500 feet of me, let alone Hootie and the Bottom Feeders! Thanks, Peter ------------------------------ From: Uilleann Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:12:12 -0400 Subject: Re:Bootlegs are cool! Chopped Liver wrote: > I haven't though of that and it is a good point of discussion. My only > problem with the idea is that if protecting the right of the artist to > future sales of live material is what we are trying to protect, how can > flooding the market even further be benificial. It accomplishes one > goal (getting the profit out of bootlegs) by destroying the other. It's a > tough question. Maybe if it were initiated by the artist who had given up > on making any money on the property, but who didn't want anybody else to > either. I suppose it does depend upon the artist, and what her/his goals are - to make scads of money, or to get their music heard/share the music. Look at the Dead (scary, huh? ;) the rock tour industry lost around 20% of their yearly profit just because the Dead aren't tourig this year - 20%! And the Dead is notorious for their bootlegs. Did they lose out because of bootleggers? Are they an isolated case? Another question just occured to me - we talk alot about Intellectual Property (IP) - but what's the 'moral' or 'ethical' limit to that? Is it a laisez-faire system of get all the money you can while it lasts (a la NBA players) or is it more a case of fair-payment, where an artist should recieve an amount of money and there it ends? I agree with everything people are saying -against- bootlegging, but by the same token, shouldn't it be fair to make a tape of a performance for your own fair use? You go to see a performance, and have those memories in your head - if you tell someone about the show, is that bad? Is photographing Jewel at a concert illegal, for using her image without permission? What I'm trying to say, is where does the line fall, the cut-off point after which the music becomes my property as much as the person who performs? - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Raphael the archangel <75271.2740@CompuServe.COM> Date: 30 Sep 96 15:14:28 EDT Subject: NJC: My first Real Poem... (p.s: adam) Angels: This is my first real poem. Before I've written pretty much about everything that I haven't directly felt. I think all that I've written expresses my feeling of empathy towards something , but not real feelings. So in that context ... this has been my first real-felt poem. It doesn't have beutiful imagery , or thought provoking metaphores ,but at least it's a piece of my soul. " Chronicle of a Dance The nights shadow fogs up my sleep. Your long golden hair , no longer that golden or long , sleeping faintly over a tired pillow. As i leaned my whole face towards your hair , i smelled sweet ectasy that I thought you felt or wanted to feel. As your silk strands slipped into my mouth ,i didn't even bother to get them out, i just wished that the time theory was broken and time would stay still. A fruitlfully melodious taste sprang up in my mouth after I smelles your perfume. "What's that perfume your wearing" - i asked You smiled said a name that rhymed with "King Crab" as I smiled , sighed , and fell once again powerless in your arms. You made me cry several nights... for I knew that that night's ambiguous romanticism couldn't ever be duplicated by even the most perfectly sensous conversation. My exxpecations fell short when learning that your first words after that dance didn't produce in my the same euphorious feeling that I had submitted to for 20 minutes while listening to Bryan Adam's cliched love songs and our warm beating of our heart. "Tis blood that drips below my lies , it's love that your heart denies" -by : Rafa my last poem , until I fall in love again. Until then your auto cheap archangel: Rafa p.s: Adam - I sent the blank tapes on Saturday , so they should be getting to you this week. ------------------------------ From: ABershaw@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:21:10 -0400 Subject: 200 Performances this year.... Hi EDAs, While doing some more work on the Performance Chronology, I realized that in 1996 alone, Jewel has already done 200 performances! She may be the hardest working woman in sho-biz. I hope many of you are beginning to enjoy the Jewelstock Tapes. For those overwhelmed on dubbing, worry not! You won't go completely insane until well past the 100th complete listening :-)...............Mr BB PS. Although not completely updated yet, info on approximately 350 known Jewel shows, past, present & future, can always be found by pointing your browser to The Jewel Performance Chronology on Adam's incredible Jewel site at: http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/xenomorph/jchrono.htm ------------------------------ From: Cara David Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Hi again... Well, because I'm not allowed (I feel like I'm five, and my mother is looking over my shoulder) to subscribe due to the limited range of this stupid system I told everyone in Philly I'd just post to say, "Hi." I am sure that people reviewed Selena's lyric database, and Jewel too I'm sure was mentioned, so I think I'll stay away from analyzing... School is strange and I tink I'll drop-out and be a nomad, because I just like that word. Well, as long as I'm here I'm going to tryu to push to get Jewel and I tink I'm already close to winning... Thus if anyone has any management info and knows contacts please write me. I'm also trying to start a small homemade (don't worry,I'm not making them personally) cookie distribution business and I promise that if it takes off I'll make angel cookies for the list members (including children) and we'll have an Alaskan theme fundraiser. I'm big on cleaning up the water myself... (Oh, and I'm looking for a label maker so maybe if THE Dennis is out there I can chat with him about becoming gainfully employed...) WWSYS is played constantly here and while I never want to hear it again I can't turn it off. I tink it's some kind of mental block and I'm considering psychiatric help... Has any other fan found this? Maybe they'll be some kind of support group and we'll recruit Mike, because I'm sure he is really sane after all that structuring, to head it. I'm picking him instead of Dan because I can picture him in a suit more... OK, now this has been really long and now I only want to know who Suzanne Little is,a nd that'll be it... Thought of the day: The man that begs outside my apartment building is the same man that had the dreams most of us have now... Peace, cj ------------------------------ From: Karl M Fields Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: NJC (but more LC) Re: Jeff's post On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Aaron Matthew Suever wrote: > But Jeff, why are you still saving all the digests? Why don't you just > save the news posts, and the most recent few days of digests for people > who's mail got screwed up? We've outgrown the feasibility of saving > everything said here. And here's a thought: if everyone were to post only I know that Jeff isn't in this "for the money" but is it out of line to suggest some sort of voluntary "dues." I know this list is worth far more to me than a couple of dollars and a stamp. With 600+ members, and only Census level participation, we could easily buy Jeff a Gigabyte of hard drive space, or what ever he might need so that he can continue to bring us all that he has thus far. Karl "Is that so crazy?" Fields ------------------------------ From: Karl M Fields Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: NJC: McConnell On Mon, 30 Sep 1996 CONNELL@cs.lmco.com wrote: > Dear Mr. McConnell, Is that a new value meal at McDonalds? Does it come with fries and a squeezeable doll? Karl "Two McConnells, to go, please." Fields ------------------------------ From: ABershaw@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:30:03 -0400 Subject: Misc. Jewel facts Hi all again, A bunch of folks have written privately to me with similar questions about various past Jewel performances. I welcome questions like these. It's what inspired creating the chronology database in the first place. If I think its of interest to others, I'll post them occasionally. Here's 2 common ones & the answers. 1.Did Jewel ever sing the National Anthem on TV at some baseball game?*******She did sing "The Star Spangled Banner" at the Oriole's game on 10/29/95 at Camden Yard(This is the same day as the shorter of the two WHFS broadcasts on Radio Angels). I assume it was broadcast live on TV. (Any Baltimore Baseball fan EDAs happen to actually have a videotape? It is NOT in the archive.) 2. When did Jewel play with Bob Dylan?********The first time she was on a bill with Bob Dylan was an afternoon set in Marina Park in San Diego on May 10th, 1995(She played the Roxy that night as well). This year she did a brief tour as Dylan's supporting act on these 5 dates: 4/13/96 Simon Forum,Madison,NJ 4/14/96 Palace Theater,New Haven,CT 4/16/96 Symphony Hall,Springfield,MA 4/17/96 Patrick Gym,UVM,Burlington,VT 4/18/96 Strand Theater, Providence,RI On the last 2 nights only, Jewel joined Dylan onstage for his encore of "I Shall Be Released" thus inspiring Dylan to say onstage "Damn! She sings better than Joan Baez!" Mr BB ------------------------------ From: SDFAngel@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:37:13 -0400 Subject: Re: From Mr BB Dear Mr. BB, All I can say is wake up. All artists with any kind of marketable talent have live recordings that eventually hit the black market, did it come from any of our collections? I don't know. But if expected that this wasn't going to happen to Jewel then you as an expert should have known better. Why should this hurt or have anything to do with Lenedra's or Jewel's relationship with us? It's better for Atlantic's wallets not to over market their artist to avoid an overkill because people do buy albums for one song. If that song is on ten albums we have a problem. Or if someone wants to try a new artist(like Jewel only out their for two years) it becomes difficult if she has five CDs. Still in small quantities amoung serious fans there is a demand for new material. Basically my question to you is:What can we do to avoid the inevitable? SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl ------------------------------ From: ABershaw@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 18:43:01 -0400 Subject: From Alan In response to SDF Angel SDF, << Basically my question to you is:What can we do to avoid the inevitable?>> I'll tell you exactly what you can do to avoid the inevitable. When someone offers you a gift out of the goodness of their hearts, and asks you to please not make CDs, you graciously except the gift & respect their wishes. It's as simple as that. Of course, if you have no respect for Jewel & Lenedra's wishes, then you do what you want. <> If you cant see how CONDONING or ENGAGING in illegal activity effects Lenedra & Jewel's outlook of the list (from the artists perspective, of course), then open your eyes! << But if expected that this wasn't going to happen to Jewel then you as an expert should have known better. >> When Jewelstock was 1st announced, the recording & subsequent distribution of tapes was not part of the original plan. Being a soundman myself, I discussed the possibility with them. It was decided shortly thereafter to allow the recordings to be distributed BECAUSE of the closeness, RESPECT & TRUST that up until recently was so obviously displayed on this list. No-one is against FREE tape trading or any of that. Its the manufacture & selling of unauthorized CDs that is being frowned upon. As far as I shoulda known better. I guess you & a few others that have flamed me have made me know better now...... Alan(MrBB) ------------------------------ From: toni@indy.net (Toni Dunn) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 18:27:33 -0500 Subject: JS tapes! All sickness has left my body!!!! I'm sitting here listening to my JS tapes and i love them! They're so good! WOOHOO!!!!!! It's worth the wait everyone!- Toni So now she's sitting in the bedroom and she's crying.- Jewel "Fuck you, I'm fed up with you, I'm not as good as you? Fuck you! I'm better than you"- Korn "You made me, promises, promises... I knew you'd never keep, why do I believe??"-Naked Eyes ------------------------------ From: Jacqueline Fitzpatrick Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:36:00 +0000 Subject: NJC: Duncan Sheik in RS Issue 745 of Rolling Stone (REM on cover) reviews Duncan Sheik's debut album. He received 4 out of 5 stars. In other words, Excellent. "This album is a defiant debut - beautiful and benevolent of spirit." FYI Jackie ------------------------------ From: Laura Capello Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 18:38:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: njc: huh? pat brown said: >Favorite response to the EDA Census: hmm... tough one. Okay, > - The first response to include "angel" in the species/occupation > - Species: Kitten - Faerie > - Carter yelling at me. "HAPPY NOW? ;)" > - Chris's mom (and Capello's "adopted" mother) huh? what'd i say? capello ------------------------------ From: Garrett Fabian Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:26:04 -0400 Subject: Can't we all just get along? Hi all. I've been following this bootleg debate pretty closely, and here's my summary: Pro: Bootlegs are okay cuz I want them and the artists and labels are filty stinkin' rich and I could care less if Jewel has to move back into her van by the end of the week blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... Con: Bootleging is pure unadulterated evil. Any of you who by them or support them are the spawn of Satan himself and should have 666 tattooed across your forehead blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.... I don't think anyone on this list who *is* in favor of bootleging has yet said "I, Joe/Jane Q. Angel, will take my Jewelstock tapes the moment I get them and sell CD copies for forty...seven...meeellion...dollars...(insert sounds of crazed, maniacal laughter here)", which is what we're arguing about in the first place. No one's *actually* done or claims they will do any bootleging (with the one notealbe exception that started this brewhaha). We're just getting ourselves worked into a fervor over principles. I don't think anyone will be changing their position on this topic anytime soon, so let's just drop it and move on to something less controversial like abortion, "is there a God", or why they put that piece of wax paper they've had their hands all over in the box along with your donuts. Peace :) Garrett Fabian, King of Run-on Sentences ------------------------------ From: smonkman@ibl.bm Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:17:35 -0300 (ADT) Subject: just a observation... i was wondering: am i the youngest here? (i'll be 15 on Satuday)these are the kinda thoughts that pass through my head during the day. here's another one a them thoughts: ok, so i live in Bermuda. do any of u think Jewel would ever come to my little island? if she did, do u think she'd stay at my house?? again, if she did, would any of y'all come too? i'm having a sorta random day so feel free to delete this as soon as u start!!! love, laurel ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #637 ***************************