From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #542 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Thursday, 5 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 542 Today's Subjects: ----------------- NJC Re: get off it Re: i got 2 words to say about the awards.... RE: Why judge her at all? Congrats Jewel!!! MTV! Purple Horseshoes Re: jewel-digest V1 #541 New Jewel Thread Rising... NJC: Cheap shot JC v. NJC: Culprit Revealed the sept. 28th concert? Re: jewel & tull NJC: ZZZZZZZ This list has PMS confused and disgusted about MTV awards At Least the Cameraman Liked Her My First Post!! (yeah-haw and shew-doggies!!) We ARE everyday angels: Igor, Part I NJC: Re: Cheap shot/PMS NJC - Re: New Jewel Thread Rising... Re: My First Post!! (yeah-haw and shew-doggies!!) Re: Montreal and Boston shows Re: confused and disgusted about MTV awards ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: UvAY Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 23:46:57 -0500 Subject: NJC Re: get off it See!?!?! I used "NJC"...for what it's worth...I can then say to the people who will automatically delete this...HA! you missed a thoughtful and inspireing post...maybe...it's still forming in my head... I thought that plus' post was right on target. ------------------------------ From: Soul42@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:07:45 -0400 Subject: Re: i got 2 words to say about the awards.... Well put. ------------------------------ From: Lacey9000@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:16:36 -0400 Subject: RE: Why judge her at all? I just wanted to say that I don't think anyone who commented on Jewel's appearence on Lettermen meant to judge her. It's just we're not really used to seeing her all dolled up. It was just different and people commented on how they felt about it. I didn't feel that anyone was trying to diss her. Hiranya, I'm sorry if our comments offended you or Jewel. They weren't meant to be offencive. peace, Lacey ------------------------------ From: jewelfan@juno.com (Lizabeth A Clark) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 00:44:27 EDT Subject: Congrats Jewel!!! MTV! Well at least Alanis said that she was accepting it on behalf of all the women and then they showed Jewel looking nice and suave sitting there next to a really hot guy....hmmm...could it have been "Yellow BMW Guy God"??? ;) Wasn't it cute when she stuck out her tongue when they showed the clip of WWSYS? I thought so......hey they showed so little of her that you notice the little things!!! She looked nice and relaxed. Well...maybe next time...I wanted to yell to her..."KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK JEWEL, YOU ARE DOING WONDERFUL!!!!!!" I am so proud of her...just the fact that she was nominated is reason to crack open the bubbly that Mike Connell already has sitting out!! So everyone raise your glasses to our wonderful angel...she is living a dream...we should all be happy for her...I know I am!!!! -Liz PHILLY HERE I COME...HOPEFULLY!!!!!!! SHELLY WANTS TO GO TOO!!! ~Lizabeth A. Clark Liz Clark e-mail: JEWELFAN@juno.com or JEWELFAN22@aol.com Visit me: http://www.endor.org/jewel/yearbook/entries/34.html ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Purple Horseshoes I hope everyone noticed Dolores' navel ring. I think it was real, and it wasn't a purple horseshoe. And for those who have no clue and are now pissed about NJC, :-P Just you wait! :-) Tom Proven e-mail: provent@pls.lib.ca.us "Blind vision Blind faith You rely can't rely On what they tell you for effect." ------------------------------ From: John Cameron Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 01:34:00 -0700 Subject: Re: jewel-digest V1 #541 How did Jewel do at the awards? I have no tv at school!!! Pls emial me directly if possible. thx John ps does she ever return email? ------------------------------ From: Harrisbros@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:39:39 -0400 Subject: New Jewel Thread Rising... ***Hiranya wrote: >>Her makeup on Letterman: A very famous makeup artist offered to do Jewel's makeup for the show and she said sure, why not see what thats about. So that was the result. Whats wrong with that.<< Absolutely nothing! She was a knockout! If I could look like Jewel did, I'd cross-dress in a minute... Hiranya, most of us do have lives, we just get so wrapped up in our private "relationships" with Jewel. Hey, she's the one who's so DAMNED personable, you know! ;) I doubt many of us could stand up to the scrutiny Jewel gets from her most avid fans. I'd only be upset at Jewel if she quits singing for us, cause I'm looking forward to her eventual crossover out of folk/pop into whatever else she wants to do. I'll listen to her sing ANYTHING (country, blues, jazz or anything with yodeling). Speaking of music, how's about we change the predominate thread on this list to that wonderful thing our girl does so well -- MUSIC? * "Carnivore" or "Love Me, Just Leave Me Alone" -- which will sell more singles? * Discuss amongst yourselves. This is the Harris Brothers, for Cawfee Tawk, where we discuss famous cawfeehouse personalities... - -- Dennis Harris p.s. Hey, any chance of Jewel doing a guest (singing) spot on say, Children's TV Workshop (Sesame Street) or the Muppet Show? A duet with Miss Piggy...THAT would be priceless! She could even tweak the pig's nose! (Miss Piggy that is, not Rosie O'Donnell -- Dooohh!) ------------------------------ From: Harrisbros@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:44:09 -0400 Subject: NJC: Cheap shot ***Jeremy Niebuhr wrote regarding a post by Amy (W1ggy2): >>OOO sounds like Sean hit a nerve. Your psycho-babble belongs elsewhere. What makes you think everyone on this list wants to hear your opinion of Sean's post? Really people let it rest.<< >>THEN SELENA POSTED: Whoa!! I for one did want to hear Amy's opinion of his post. And several people wanted to hear my opinion of your post and more wanted to hear their opinions...Amy's opinion is very highly regarded on this list.<< For beginners, Sean shit on this entire list with his post. Our response was better than he deserved. But more importantly... Jeremy, I've had the pleasure of joining Amy at the two most heavily EDA-attended Jewel concert events (JS and Hampton Beach) and many online conversations. Her opinions are FAR from psycho-babble. I KNOW many of the more active folks on this list DO want to hear Amy's opinion. As we want to hear yours, as caustic and misinformed (in this case) as it is. Otherwise, I agree the thread should be put to rest. It's just that we had gone through list terrorism (literally) by another a**hole a month earlier, and many of us will not tolerate abuse heaped on our fellow EDAs. Also, I will not sit and let snide comments like "psyco-babble" go unchallenged. If you're so convinced, please analyze Amy's psycho-babble for us. I personally know of over 200 EDAs who will have a very hard time buying it, however. - -- Dennis Harris p.s. If you were attacked in this manner, I'd defend you as well, Jeremy, so don't take this response personally. Just please understand the circumstances. ------------------------------ From: SDIVY19@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:48:30 -0400 Subject: JC v. NJC: Culprit Revealed The culprit for this nightmarish post has been unmasked. It is the Anti-Fuzzy, that heartless, green, stuffed grizzly from the Northwest. He, or IT, has invaded our happy band and sewn discord throughout. Well no more! FUZZY, come forth. I hereby knight thee Sir Fuzzy and charge you with this quest. Traverse the endless wilds and bustlings cities until you find this monster and give him a big hug. That's all anyone needs after all to brighten their disposition. Go now Fuzzy, and take the Harris brother of your choice as your page. Good luck Sir Knight. The Good King If evil is inevitable, how are the wicked accountable? Nay, why do we call men wicked at all? Evil is inevitable, but is also remediable. Horace Mann(1796-1859) ------------------------------ From: bond@bucknell.edu (Lauren Bond) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:01:50 -0400 Subject: the sept. 28th concert? hey all... I am way behind (as usual) on my jewel reading, but I just saw a message asking about the sept 28th concert and if it is in philly... hey, does anyone wanna come pick li'l ole me up from here at bucknell for this concert? write me back, tell me what's going on with this... is anyone else going? bye!! Lauren PS. I was upstairs in the dorm today and someone was playing painters in her room!!!! so I popped in and told her how huge of a fan I was and that i had lotsa boots of really good songs, she sounded kinda interested- we may have a new EDA soon!!! :) PPS. hey has everyone gotten their j-stock t-shirts? I haven't gotten mine yet and I just want to make sure it hasn't gotten lost in the mail... *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* * Lauren Bond * * bond@bucknell.edu * * (formerly bondflash@aol.com)* * E-me!!!! * *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ From: bond@bucknell.edu (Lauren Bond) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:01:54 -0400 Subject: Re: jewel & tull I like it!!!! jethro tull is another of my favorite bands (plus jewel (of course), pink floyd, dishwalla, lisa loeb, etc :)) I can definitely see this happening :) > Here's an idea I had.(which probably won't go over well) Of many >people I'd like to see Jewel perform with, one of the top contenders >is Jethro Tull. I think it would be great to have Jewel sing a >couple of songs while Ian Anderson went off and played flute. Both >bands have a sort of minstrel feel to them.(jewel is a band you say? >probably bad english on my part) If not Jethro Tull, then just have >Ian Anderson play flute for a song or two, as he is great with the >flute. How bout it, huh, huh? Respondez, s'il vous plait. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* * Lauren Bond * * bond@bucknell.edu * * (formerly bondflash@aol.com)* * E-me!!!! * *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ From: Harrisbros@aol.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:07:19 -0400 Subject: NJC: ZZZZZZZ ***Mr. BB wrote: >>>>Also, a personal thanks to Dennis Harris, (who hasnt slept in days), working on J-cards that are very impressive and a crowning touch to these wonderful tapes. Dennis in his delerium yesterday posted: "Mike said it best when he commented that JewelStock night one (Thursday) was the end of the old Jewel and Friday the beginning of a new Jewel." I have to correct you on that one, Dennis. This comment was actually a conversation AmyJo & I had. She gets the credit on that one. I told you that a few nights ago during our call. Get some rest! It's all blurring in your mind...<<<< ZZZZZZZZ ... ------------------------------ From: jewelfan@juno.com (Lizabeth A Clark) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 01:34:30 EDT Subject: This list has PMS Yes you read correctly...this list has PMS...Pretty Messy Stuff......can't we all just get along and accept everyone for who they are? This list is like a big family and I hate to see us squabble over stupid trivial matters like the NJC debate, Sean Hooks, and Jewel's physical image. We are united because of the beauty of Jewel's music and personality and we should always remember this!!! Jewel has enabled many of us to become friends and we all know that she cares about her fans. We as the fans should respect that she cares about us and let her bloom into the beautiful flower that she is destined to become....even though she has already bloomed for many of us a long time ago. Thank you....... -Liz "who is zenned out" Clark PHILLY HERE I COME...HOPEFULLY!!!!!!! ~Lizabeth A. Clark Liz Clark e-mail: JEWELFAN@juno.com or JEWELFAN22@aol.com Visit me: http://www.endor.org/jewel/yearbook/entries/34.html ------------------------------ From: Simmons Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 01:26:08 -0600 Subject: confused and disgusted about MTV awards Hi everybody. I would have wanted my first post to this list to be more positive, but I just watched the MTV awards. I can condense it to one word: suck. Not impressed in any way. I like both Coolio and Alanis, and seriously respect them especially because they implied that they weren't the most worthy candidates for those particular awards. I feel that two great bands, Jewel (first and foremost, of course) and Bone Thugs 'n' Harmony, were seriously snubbed by the awards. The only award I didn't have a problem with was the Viewer's Choice, which went to a deserving band, Bush. Sorry if I offend anyone now (I was offended by the awards), but I do NOT like Smashing Pumpkins! (The bells in "Disarm were cool, though :) ). Dennis Miller, the "host" spoke for maybe fifteen minutes, and during five minutes of that, he was being rude to the cosmonauts. I have a question for anyone that can answer: Who chooses the winners?! I would honestly like an answer if any knows. Well, I'm done complaining. I guess we can be thankful for maybe two face shots of Jewel, though they should have caught her for the post-show segment. Or maybe they were right in leaving her alone. I don't know. Sorry this is so long, I'll try to keep it shorter in the future. "Because the Llama told me to" -Loki PS - Sabra - I'll be at U of U next year - we should start a club. :) ------------------------------ From: The Pirate King Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 00:33:11 -0700 Subject: At Least the Cameraman Liked Her As I expected, but wouldn't admit for fear of jinxes or flames, Jewel got multiple hosings tonight. Despite the absolute crassness of the awards -- Jewel's participation is the only reason I gave this show any attention, as I've steadily avoided it for years -- some deserving musicians did win, especially all the honors that Smashing Pumpkins received. Jewel and her fans did get a very subtle consolation prize, though. When Alanis Morissette won the award for Best Female Video, she claimed she was definitely not the best female in the group. The accompanying shot for that remark was of Jewel. Those Loser Reaction Closeups are always unnecessarily cruel, but the show's producers got their preferences known, much to my liking. Don't lament it, Jewel. It's an ugly statue anyway. My purple ChiaBear will look MUCH better on your mantelpiece than that rusty 'ol spaceman. I would love a note to the list from Jewel giving her review of that show. I feel soiled enough just watching it on television, so much so that I'd likely suffocate on fumes were I to actually attend. Don't worry Miss Kilcher, I wouldn't take any horrid descriptions as bitterness; the program is just lousy, period. - - Carter Navarro, Who Likes Liam Gallagher Even Less Now P.S. - Oasis: Decent band, absolutely horrible people. Their music is not nearly good enough for me to tolerate the slimy conceit that drenches the Gallagher brothers. I'm glad I left KOME's Almost Acoustic Christmas just as Oasis was about to perform, since I hate those men so deeply that I will do my damnedest to never give them any support of any kind. Their post-song boos got me cheering. I'd MUCH rather have Jarvis Cocker of Pulp representing the new British music scene. He's a bit of a snob himself, but at least he doesn't demonstrate any disgust for the fans that support him and his bandmates. What the hell is Patsy Kensit thinking, marrying that monster Liam? ------------------------------ From: "BRADLEY C. PORTER" Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 03:15:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: My First Post!! (yeah-haw and shew-doggies!!) Hi, Hi, all.... Didn't want to start my first post out with a bitch, but this has been bothering me for quite awhile now and I want to get some feedback. Jewel did a show at 328 performance hall in Nashville awhile ago, and I missed her (having yet been exposed to her wonderful, wonderful music) so when she came back through, I was first in line for a ticket. To my point...The show was incredible, she asked for a pick, and I GAVE HER MINE!! she used it for the rest of the show (puffing of chest and grinning of face). She talked to the audience, told stories, played new stuff, and generally blew us all away. My girlfriend and I decided to top off the evening by trying to meet her round back (exit stage-door left, heavens to Mergatroid) We waited about thirty minutes (there were only about 15 people out there) and then she appeared... and just as quickly disappeared into her car to be sped away to her hotel. No smile, no wave, no accknowledgment what-so-ever. Needless to say, I was disheartened, this goddess who had recieved MY PICK with such tenderness had just totally dissed me and the other people out back. It seems like she could have at least WAVED TO US!! Is that too much to ask? I would appreciate some feedback on this. Other than that tiny little incident, I worship Jewel and all that she has accomplished in her short but eventful life-so-far. I don't want to sound to down on her, but that completely changed the mood of the rest of the evening. Thanks for letting me drop in my two cents.... SenztvRtst Kermit Scooter Theatre Guy "Have you ever thought that when you call information you have to know EXACTLY what your looking for?...that's not information, that's confirmation." ------------------------------ From: Larry G Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 02:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: We ARE everyday angels: Igor, Part I Ok, angels, this is a good one, and since it's late and I'm tired, I'll be dribbling this one out in pieces. Tonight, I had the pleasure of meeting our beloved EDA Igor. To me Igor has been sort of the wise uncle of this list, willing to do whatever it takes to keep anyone on the list who is burdened by suffering of any kind from surrendering to pain and negativity, and keeping the discussion focused on the angel-like positive energy which is one of the special gifts that Jewel and those of us who adore her seem to share. I think it's something for us to keep in mind that most of us on this list do not ever post much of anything to the list, but most if not all of us DO read this list with interest and attachment, and we all feel a kinship with the Living Legends who post regularly -- we and you know who you are -- so, for me, it was SPECIAL to get to meet Igor. Details some other time. I will tell you that I had emailed him a few days ago to suggest that we meet at a concert I was planning on attending in his area. He agreed, and we went to a great concert at the Coach House in San Juan Capistrano, CA, and heard Jimmie Dale Gilmore, who is a terrific performer and artist. (Alejandro Escovedo opened, also great). We shared stories and insights, had other fascinating coincidences occur, and it was just delightful for me to see how positive he really is. It got me to thinking about the duality of energy in the world, where we all are moved by pain and drawn to the joy. There is a whole thing here that follows this theme, Jewel- and Igor- and EDA-related, but it'll hafta wait, I gotta go ta work early! ttfn, Larry ------------------------------ From: UvAY Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 04:08:38 -0500 Subject: NJC: Re: Cheap shot/PMS (I'd include a quote from Dennis's post, but that'd make me feel like I'm being antagonistic) I'd just like to point out that I agree with Dennis' observations, but Jeremy's post just may be a reaction to the "JC/NJC" debate - that is now over - RIGHT??? Some people lash out, some play hockey... To my main point, I'm siding with Liz (hey, I found "Lay it Down", someone didn't steal it!!!) with her point that parts of this list seems to have chronic PMS. There is way too much bitching and whining from parts of this list, and at this point, it's rubbing off on me. Who REALLY, REALLY cares what she wore on Letterman? To the guys -- when was the last time you made such a fuss about what shade of lipstick your girlfriend/wife wore? She's an adult, and no one person has the right, or the room to critize, what she does with her makeup or what she wears. The whole thread reminds me of grade school, picking on the poor kid who made the fashion faux pas that day... I think she looked good on Tuesday, and not in a male-piggish way. Hell, I'd dress like that if I could (wait...maybe...nevermind, I don't have the chest for that...) I'm really disappointed in what this has become. I used to enjoy sitting here for an hour of two, to relax, seeing what the Angel Princess is up to, but it's changed... it's not fun anymore. I don't want to sound like I'm pissed off and don't give a shit, but it's getting harder and harder to be an EDA, and I don't want to get to that point, and I really hope I don't have to. Be wise, look both ways before ducking, and play nice... Matthew (who had changed his nick AGAIN, to feel a sense of oneness) P'u - the uncarved block ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 06:25:03 -0400 Subject: NJC - Re: New Jewel Thread Rising... Harrisbros@aol.com (aka Dennis Harris)wrote: > .........She was a knockout! If I could look like Jewel did, I'd > cross-dress in a minute... Take it from a guy who roomed with Dennis at JewelStock and at the Hampton Beach show.....the thought of Dennis cross-dressing..... well it's more than any mortal EDA can and should be asked to handle. Shame on you Dennis for putting us all through this horrifying moment. ;) Mike ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 06:15:09 -0400 Subject: Re: My First Post!! (yeah-haw and shew-doggies!!) BRADLEY C. PORTER wrote: > and just as quickly disappeared into her car to be sped away to her hotel. > No smile, no wave, no accknowledgment what-so-ever. > Needless to say, I was disheartened, this goddess who had recieved MY > PICK with such tenderness had just totally dissed me and the other people > out back. It seems like she could have at least WAVED TO US!! Is that > too much to ask? I would appreciate some feedback on this. She was recording in Nashville then also, doing some finishing touches on her next CD, and we (the list) were told back then she went to the studio AFTER the show you saw...It was late, and she had a show in New Hampshire the next night too. (which I and 38 or so other list members went to). She had been recording all day too. She was probably tired. Like Hiranya said yesterday, she's just human. Mike ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Miller Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 08:13:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Montreal and Boston shows Phil Kelnhofer wrote: > > I thought I remember Hiranya posting that Jewel is doing a show near the > end of September in Montreal. Does anyone know the date and the exact > venue? I am going to Montreal this weekend with some friends and if it > goes well I will return there for Jewel's concert. I don't remember montreal -- am I just forgetful?? Oh boy! A show near me! Look out angels! - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Jeffrey Miller Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 08:38:26 -0400 Subject: Re: confused and disgusted about MTV awards Simmons wrote: > suck. Not impressed in any way. I like both Coolio and Alanis, and > seriously respect them especially because they implied that they weren't the > most worthy candidates for those particular awards. I feel that two great > bands, Jewel (first and foremost, of course) and Bone Thugs 'n' Harmony, > were seriously snubbed by the awards. I hafta agree with you on the Alanis & Coolio bit - they were gracious - -- maybe not coherent, maybe not speaking in middle-america english, but gracious. In fact, I would have been perfectly happy with Alanis winning if Jewel hadn't been a contender -- I agree with other posts that Alanis is a studio musician, and as a musician I understand the difference, but the video music awards aren't for the music, they're for the video, they're for the eMptyTV exposure (ie - how many times was your video in rotation) I do hafta take issue (in a friendly way) with Bone Thugs n Harmony HUH?!? A cheesey gospel opening (I hope that hasn't the 'Harmony' part of the group) and a video tribute to whatshisname (forgive)? Man... ;) > The only award I didn't have a > problem with was the Viewer's Choice, which went to a deserving band, Bush. Somewhere it was written that you cannot use an orchestra until your third album. Bush seriously broke that rule :) "hey, it's nirvana! oh, wait, Better Than.. er, no, is that a new Stone Temple Pearl Jam song.. oh, I know! It's Bush!" - acctual conversation > Sorry if I offend anyone now (I was offended by the awards), but I > do NOT like Smashing Pumpkins! (The bells in "Disarm were cool, though :) > ). Dennis Miller, the "host" spoke for maybe fifteen minutes, and during > five minutes of that, he was being rude to the cosmonauts. I have a > question for anyone that can answer: Who chooses the winners?! I would > honestly like an answer if any knows. Don't know who picks -- I would assume its done by the amount of sales of the single, along with viewer requests (although how does MTV figure air-play? They never show any videos) Dennis Miller was... oh, never mind! Smashing Pumpkins.... i've come full circle on them. I liked them for an early single, then realized they sucked (imho) -now I'm starting to appreciate the music (same way I appretiate country music) Well, I hope no one gets upset :) hate to be the designate anti-Fuzzy. - -Jeffrey- - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #542 ***************************