From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #538 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Wednesday, 4 September 1996 Volume 01 : Number 538 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NJC: Not a shred of JC, nowhere, nope. Question re: JS tapes.... Jewel JPG Re: Question re: JS tapes.... Don't judge her too quickly. Letterman, mags & LA appearance A Jewel is a Jewel NJC: Clothes Re: NJC: Clothes Good Morning America/Letterman Letterman Reanalysis; Testosteronic Self-Annihilation Re: NJC-boy is my grace fed Re: Question re: JS tapes....ALL PEASE READ (JS TAPES) Jewelstock Tapes OPEN to ALL list members!! From Mr BB Re: Jewel Content only....WHY! Did I miss Jewel on GMA? Re: NJC : college... Why Judge her at all? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Crunch Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 01:21:54 -0400 Subject: Re: NJC: Not a shred of JC, nowhere, nope. =) =) =) =) =) =) Now, you guys really have me smiling! And NO! No drugs, sex, or rock-n-roll were in- volved with my previous message. Just life! =) =) =) =) =) =) Just stop. =) (NJC/JC debate) ------------------------------ From: Edward Hodgin Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 01:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Question re: JS tapes.... Connell said only those list members as of July 18, 1996 get tapes. I just want to make sure my situation is covered. I have been a list member well before JewelStock was even discussed. However, I was bumped off the list a week or two ago because my "INBOX" became too crowded. I resubscribed last week. I think some people on this list can vouch for my honesty. Could somebody please put me at ease and tell me I have nothing to worry about? ed ------------------------------ From: QRyche76@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 01:25:54 -0400 Subject: Jewel JPG To all Usenet lurkers out there, There is a JPG of Jewel performing on the Letterman show posted in the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.celebrities. It's a little out of focus, but I could care less. - Mark ------------------------------ From: Raymond Wong Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Question re: JS tapes.... > Connell said only those list members as of July 18, 1996 get tapes. I > just want to make sure my situation is covered. I have been a list member > well before JewelStock was even discussed. However, I was bumped off the > list a week or two ago because my "INBOX" became too crowded. I > resubscribed last week. I think some people on this list can vouch for my > honesty. Could somebody please put me at ease and tell me I have nothing > to worry about? Relax, what he said was: MC>I repeat NOT for taking of leaf orders!! That will happen later AFTER MC>the branches are set up. PLEASE NOTE THAT WE WILL ONLY BE ACCEPTING MC>BRANCHES WHO WERE JEWEL@SMOE.ORG MEMBERS AS OF THE DATE OF MC>JEWELSTOCK: JULY 18, 1996. This is not being discriminatory, this was A) This means leaves don't have to worry at all. This doesn't concern you. B) It says members as of 18 July. Unless someone rewrote the rules of English language sentence construction even more than I'm aware, that means if you were a member at anytime that day, you're elegible to be a branch. I think the requirement is really just that you had joined the list by that date, actually. In either case, why are you worried? :) Ray Wong PO BOX 6163 negativl@netcom.com, negativl@best.com Hayward, CA 94540-6163 Member #11537, Debbie Gibson International Fan Club Co-Founder and Charter Member, Sutton Foster International Fan Club ------------------------------ From: SDFAngel@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:11:21 -0400 Subject: Don't judge her too quickly. Hey guys, this is out of bounds. Let me share something with the list that's a little unpleasant regarding Jewel. Anyone at the 5/21/96 Seabright New Jersey concert please varify this. Armand and I drove down to the venue and he asked me a question. Armand:Jared, what would you do if you found out that Jewel personality was all an act? pause Jared:I'd be crushed! When I go to a Jewel concert I feed off of her viabrations. Even when she is into it facially I feel when she is really emotional. Jewel may have attained celebrity status but she is still her fan's friend. Armand:Don't be to sure Jared, she's a big star now, she's not our baby anymore. That night she walked out of the venue with her face buried in Bibi's shoulder. It was one of those semi-real moments, you don't know if it truely happened or not. It was an awful feeling. She could have smiled or waved or something, she didn't have to sign anything. Anyway for the next month I wasn't quick to pass judgement or her eitherway. I needed to know more. I heard about Jewelstock via Lauren L. at a restaurant on January 7. I swore I would get us in somehow even though we weren't list members. If the same Jewel was willing to do this for her fans then maybe something really was wrong that night in New Jersey. I was up till three o'clock in the mourning learning how to use a computer. Then the next eleven days re-re-re-RSVPing. You all know the rest, by the end of the day Jewel had restored her image as a caring, loving and appreciative person who consistantly looks back to the people that got her where she is. Even on Thursday when she had to catch a plane, she got on Michel's motercycle and someone asked her to stop. He did stop. She could have just said go, but she didn't. Also when anybody yelled Jewel at JS she answered what? That was more like a circle of friends around a campfire then a concert. I don't know what her relationship with the list was like before JS or even if she had one but I believe that she appreciates us. She would prefer an ideal audience like us more often, but alas fanatics don't make money. The money makers are the people who buy all the albums and only the albums. She'd rather perform only for people who appreciate her. You guys are pounching on her for a dress and a little make-up. Did anybody else bullshit with her for ten minutes half an hour before the taping? My New Jersey story is proof that she isn't perfect and I'll be the first to knock any imperfection but Jewel is our friend as long as we appreciate her. She needs to be needed. We all do. Do you not need to be needed? Sorry if we don't get enough attention but Jewel has more to worry about all day then six hundred particular fans. She's living a dream and loving her life. The problem with being a unicorn is that we can't all do it. But we can support her and anybody who wants it badly enough can and will live their dreams. I promise I'll be worth over twenty five million before I pass on. The reason this bothers me so is because I believe that Jewel is a one hit wonder. You Were Meant For Me is a looser, Foolish Games to morbid to be radio friendly. Carnivore will carry the next album to Gold status maybe, and nothing else is capable of suggnificant air time. I hope to god I'm wrong, but if everybody forgets as quickly as you guys do it's not going to be the same story for long. Be proud to be a Jewelfan now, and keep calling your local radio stations to request You Were Meant For Me. SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl "Maybe you don't see things quite as clearly as I can" -Matthew Sweet- - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: Harrisbros@aol.com Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org To: jewel@smoe.org Date: 96-09-04 00:01:18 EDT Carter wrote: >>I've seen Jewel up close twice, which was enough to destroy the barrier between a "celebrity" and a tangible person, but that wall began erecting itself again tonight. That was most definitely Jewel on my television tonight, but she just LOOKED like SOMEONE ELSE. I give up, I can't explain it, but it's really REALLY eerie.<< Carter, you hit it on the head there! Jewel has undergone a rapid, MAJOR transformation in 1996. Mike said it best when he commented that JewelStock night one (Thursday) was the end of the old Jewel and Friday the beginning of a new Jewel. The innocence is gone, replaced by a much more mature sensuality. I'll miss the old Jewel, but look forward to seeing her evolving persona. Interesting days indeed... ***Pego wrote: >>I too am a newbie, and that should be obvious.. but I don't think you're the one getting run out of town. people have barked and barked about what "we're" doing wrong, but who did we watch doing it first? monkey see... monkey do.<< Who you calling a monkey? (Oh, okay.) Well, no one is being run out of town. That don't fly on this list (kind of a no-fly zone, that one). The attitude many of the EDAs project is a confidence in and caring for each other. It can understandably be mistaken for snobbishness. Believe me, these people will become your close friends if you let 'em. Next Jewel show, organize a party before/after the show (or just join in one). You've gotta share some time in the flesh with these fruitcakes. They (we) post the way we do cause we feel comfortable with each other. Maybe too comfortable, sometimes. It's addictive, that comfortable feeling. ***Igor wrote: >>It is important if a newbie has just read Mikes post, that they don't instantly flame him. He is one of the many characters and personalities that make this list special. When I grow up, I want to be just like him.<< Igor, you fickle bastard. And I thought you wanted to grow up to be like me. ;) - -- Dennis Harris ------------------------------ From: Steven Tze Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Letterman, mags & LA appearance Caught the Letterman performance last night, and WOW..... Jewel didn't look like she usually did, she was really different looking. I had to convince myself it was actually her. ANYWAYS, it was a great performance and if anyone needs a copy, just drop me a line. Oh, BTW, did Jewel look really pre-occupied (or spaced-out during the *HUGE* 5-second interview afterwards)? You can catch her in the latest issue of 'Q' magazine. It's some British publication that functions much like Rolling Stone. She's on page 20, I think. Nothing really revealing, just background information. And now for the concet announcement: Jewel is making an appearance at a benefit concert here in Los Angeles. It's at the Great Western Forum on October 8th (you might want to double-check that) to benefit the Pedro Zamora Foundation (the guy on MTV's Real World that died of AIDS). A bunch of other performers are slate, but I really don't recall. So, I expect all LA Jewel fans to figure out how to get tickets, and I hope to see all of you there. :) Steve ------------------------------ From: tom morales Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 00:40:18 +0100 Subject: A Jewel is a Jewel I think Jewel's clothing was great. There was nothing wrong with it. I think you're forgetting that she was in New York and nation wide tv. Are you trying to tell me you wear the same attire wherever you go. Funerals, weddings, 5 star restaurants, proms, job interviews, bar, bar mitzvah (sp.), the gym, date, school, work? If your girlfriend changed her look just to have variety would you be so critical? I'm not being antagonistic I just don't see how what she was wearing was so out of character. I do however take exception to the word "professional". Thats why I cut it from the quote. I hope you meant musician because if you didn't I'm going to have to let Rafa out of his cage. Trying to keep things light. but serious Rich Melko wrote: > baggy jeans and a sweater with no makeup and her hair in a bun. It would > have made it much easier for the feeble minded to concentrate on whats > important, the music, rather then her sexy body. I really hope that people > are buying her album because they like the music and not because she looked > like a supermodel on TV. I am not critisizng her really but stating my > preference ------------------------------ From: Sinjin@ecn.com Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 00:39:23 -0700 Subject: NJC: Clothes milagro4@primenet.com wrote: > > I think Jewel's clothing was great. There was nothing wrong with it. I > think you're forgetting that she was in New York and nation wide tv. > Are you trying to tell me you wear the same attire wherever you go. > Funerals, weddings, 5 star restaurants, proms, job interviews, bar, bar > mitzvah (sp.), the gym, date, school, work? Hmmm, now that I think about it...yeah, I do wear the same clothes pretty much everywhere. Can't go wrong with shorts & a T-Shirt (more specifically my Jewelstock T-shirt :P) - -- Sinjin@ecn.com Lifeguard, Philosopher, Poet JS96 ------------------------------ From: tom morales Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 00:57:03 +0100 Subject: Re: NJC: Clothes Okay, how about anowboarding in blizzard conditions in Utah snow because it's better than Colorado snow? Sinjin@ecn.com wrote: > > milagro4@primenet.com wrote: > > > > I think Jewel's clothing was great. There was nothing wrong with it. I > > think you're forgetting that she was in New York and nation wide tv. > > Are you trying to tell me you wear the same attire wherever you go. > > Funerals, weddings, 5 star restaurants, proms, job interviews, bar, bar > > mitzvah (sp.), the gym, date, school, work? > > Hmmm, now that I think about it...yeah, I do wear the same clothes > pretty much everywhere. Can't go wrong with shorts & a T-Shirt (more > specifically my Jewelstock T-shirt :P) > -- > Sinjin@ecn.com > Lifeguard, Philosopher, Poet > JS96 ------------------------------ From: earthsis@spindle.net (earthsis@spindle.net) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 03:03:06 -0500 Subject: Good Morning America/Letterman Hi all, Due to the fact that insomnia decided to hit me full force, I'm probably not going to be up to see Jewel on GMA...Please, all of you that do get up and watch, tell, tell, tell!! And if it's VCR worthy (meaning enough content)record the sucker.. I would be willing to pay for a tape and postage of her appearence.. About Letterman, well, I thought her performance was wonderful, but I was saddened by her appearence. It wasn't the Jewel I know..It was definitly like someone had taken over, or worse yet, she is in the middle of a metamorphosis. That would be a shame because I don't want het to use her looks as a boost to get more people to listen or to be more mainstream.. I am a female musician and I am constantly searching for inspiration from other female musicians that use their music to speak and not their bodies. I'm not saying that exuding sensuality is bad, but come on, who can really say that she looked like we all are used to? The dress and the makeup and the seductive looks were all things that tend to mask the real spirit. It's fame, I think they call it..I came to love her because she was exactly the type of artist that I want to be. Change sucks, huh? Oh please don't flame me.. I mean well..this is just from another female musician's point of view.. Go Jewel!! Kick Butt tonite at the eMpTvY awards!!@-;--'-- Sincerely in my insomnia, Angela*~*~ ------------------------------ From: The Pirate King Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 01:06:43 -0700 Subject: Letterman Reanalysis; Testosteronic Self-Annihilation Things aren't as bad as I first took them to be. I stand by my opinion that Jewel now has the look of a pro about her -- hell, it's been approved by a Harris Brother, so I can't go refuting it. But after viewing her performance a few more times -- of course I recorded it -- I'm reassured that she still carries some of the personality of the woman I saw at the Catalyst, who at that time was just a bit older than I am now. From saying "hi," to doing a little Chicken-Head-Jut at the initiation of the song and when directing the post-song applause to her band mates, and finally to the well-preserved "pee stance". Upon reflection, the academic floridity that swathed my review of the performance -- it really WAS an essay, wasn't it? -- was partially a very thick cover for just how utterly pulverized I was by how Jewel looked. I said a long time ago, when a small debate was sparking over how we should deal with Miss Kilcher's undeniable beauty, that surely she wants to look good and that we should never be ashamed of complimenting her amazing success rate at that endeavor. And you can bet that I would be quite verbose about her latest incarnation, but she's simply gone beyond words. All I can say, in an understatement so egregious that my right to speak the language should be revoked, is that Jewel looked very, VERY NICE Monday night. Oh man, testosterone can be a curse. It sometimes makes me think that God - -- forget for the moment that I'm an atheist, as Jewel occasionally gets me to question my religious beliefs -- is a horribly sadistic woman, since no benevolent male deity could put such an eye-searing incandescent beauty as Jewel Kilcher in our midst. I don't know if estrogen carries a similar effect for women, but the sensation of boiling testosterone is a simultaneously pleasureable yet hatefully painful emotional experience. As much as I've seen her since that first shot on The Tonight Show last year, she's still enough for my heart to tickle Richter scales. All right, enough hormones. Today I caught myself in a really stupid lyric misinterpretation. Believe it or not, for six months I thought the line from "YWMFM" was: "Brush my teeth and put the CAT back on." Of COURSE that doesn't make any sense! But for some reason I never thought to question it! How am I supposed to know what Jewel does with her cat? Does Jewel even HAVE any pets? Amazingly this confusion was even worse than my destroyed Filter lyric; instead of "That's why I say 'hey man, nice shot'" I thought Richard Patrick was crooning: "That's why they say 'amen', they should." And didn't the drummer look like Michael Ironside's henchman from "Total Recall" -- the one who got stabbed by the midget? Garmonbozia! - - Carter Navarro, The Goddess's Favorite Plaything ------------------------------ From: telliamed@juno.com (Pat Brown) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:55:17 EST Subject: Re: NJC-boy is my grace fed On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:56:57 EDT "The Great Cornholio" writes: > > One observation about this list. I find running themes in a lot >of the poetry, mostly themes of love. Well, that's perfectly natural and sorta goes without saying (even though you've said it already) considering the binding thread that unites us all. And I'm talking about, of course, tootsie-pops. > And I also have observed that some of >you seem awfully depressed for some reason or another. Well, I wish >I actually knew those people so that I could cheer them up. I joined >the list because I expected to find upbeat, optimistic people. Oh, well we're all just as cheerful and happy a bunch of people you can find. Just that bliss is kinda boring so we have to generate certain amounts of sadness and despair in our lives to keep things interesting. Like the college student said, "We need variety to keep life from being dull and monoganous." > ps-sorry to keep the Tigger .sig, but I really love Tigger > hmm... tell me something, What is the only food that Tiggers like to eat? - ----- telliamed@juno.com ### All opinions expressed are yours. You have only yourself to blame. ### ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 07:23:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Question re: JS tapes....ALL PEASE READ (JS TAPES) Edward Hodgin wrote: > > Connell said only those list members as of July 18, 1996 get tapes. I > just want to make sure my situation is covered. I have been a list member > well before JewelStock was even discussed. However, I was bumped off the > list a week or two ago because my "INBOX" became too crowded. I > resubscribed last week. I think some people on this list can vouch for my > honesty. Could somebody please put me at ease and tell me I have nothing > to worry about? NO, ANYONE on the list at anytime can GET tapes. To be a branch, you had to be on the list as of July 18, 1996. ANY list member can get a set of tapes as a leaf!!! Mike Eddie, NOTHING to worry about!!!! (I remember you, how could I forget??) ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 07:26:12 -0400 Subject: Jewelstock Tapes OPEN to ALL list members!! EDAs, To settle something that MAY be confusing...sorry ALL list memebers can get the JewelStock tapes. To be a branch (tape copier), there are list member seniority/date qualifications To be a LEAF (get tapes FROM a branch), you just gotta be a list member. So worry not, ALL list memebers can get the tapes. Mike ------------------------------ From: ABershaw@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:33:12 -0400 Subject: From Mr BB Hi all, Just wanted to say I'm real happy the Jewelstock tree is officially underway. I'd like to publicly thank Mike Connell for accepting(once again) the mindblowing responsibility of administrating such a huge project. I can assure you a lot of "behind the scenes" thought & work has already gone into this distribution. Also, a personal thanks to Dennis Harris, (who hasnt slept in days), working on J-cards that are very impressive and a crowning touch to these wonderful tapes. Dennis in his delerium yesterday posted: <> I have to correct you on that one, Dennis. This comment was actually a conversation AmyJo & I had. She gets the credit on that one. I told you that a few nights ago during our call. Get some rest! It's all blurring in your mind........ Finally,a big thanks to all of you (soon to be) branches, who will soon be responsible for spreading these tapes to other EDA's. To my knowledge, no artist of Jewel's status, has ever been so generous. These tapes are a wonderful thing & although I've felt isolated while assembling the tapes, I believe they will bring us all that much closer in the long run. I hope so, anyway. Best wishes! ------Alan(Mr BB) ------------------------------ From: teffta@erie.ge.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jewel Content only....WHY! Igor, I think you're totally wrong too, but the real strength of this group is that we can argue without coming to blows and fractionalizing the group. Heaven to me would be jewel *discussion*, not news only, and not much irrelevant stuff (your trips to jewel concerts, the people in jewel's band, the operation of the mailing list, etc. are perfectly jewel related). Asking that people limit what they say or say it elsewhere is not censorship and never will be, and thinking it is causes us to forget what real, dangreous censorship really is, and it is this, rather than us carefully deciding what rights to exercise on our own, that will get us in trouble. Hints: government, prisons. Moderation is not censorship. Censorship is backed up by threat of punishment. A community has to decide what behavior is acceptable in it, and this choice is best made through vigorous debate disagreement, and compromise, not usually majority rules or seniority rules. Obviously it is not for me to say, it is not for you to say, and anyone that doesn't immediately recognize that we are all just expressing our opinions is simply mistaken. I don't think you really believe that any of us thinks we are God of this list. But it makes a good specious argument, doesn't it? I have suggested a compromise and you chose not to comment on it, instead attacking my ideas, calling me and others who feel like I do censors. What's going on there? Well, maybe you missed it because it was at the end of a lot of stuff you disagreed with. So here it is again: My compromise is that rather than (or at least in addition to) a news-only list, we would be well-served by having a moderated, jewel-related-discussion list. The jewel-related stuff would be forwarded from the miscellaneous ramblings list by the moderator, but that is the only way in which it is really moderated. Anyone could contribute anything, but the list would have a well-defined purpose and there could be no arguing about what *should* be sent. ------------------------------ From: "Peter Jones" Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 09:29:22 -0400 Subject: Did I miss Jewel on GMA? I watched GMA from 7:30 to 9:00 this morning (Wednesday, 9/4), and did not see Jewel doing the MTV behind the scenes report. Did they run her bit in the first half hour? Peter ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 09:38:23 EST Subject: Re: NJC : college... On Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:53:47 -0400 Rachel said: >Hey, everyone ? > Why didn't anyone ever tell me that college means .... > Because it's so much better as a surprise. :) But it's all worth it. Some day when you're old like me you'll have a decent job... maybe at a state university (like me) where you have continuous free access to the internet and can finally get away from those $300 per month "America Off-Line" bills. Dean "stay in school" Harris ------------------------------ From: Hiranya@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:43:33 -0400 Subject: Why Judge her at all? Her makeup on Letterman: A very famous makeup artist offered to do Jewel's makeup for the show and she said sure, why not see what thats about. So that was the result. Whats wrong with that. When you see her video you'll see a very under made-up Jewel. At her shows she never wears stage make up at all. Sometimes she likes to doll up. WHO CARES! I dont' think we should make Jewel carry our needs and dreams and ideas about how someone should be, female artist, whatever. If I think someone should not be sensual then I'm the one that should live that. And really, how can Jewel change the fact that she is constructed like she is? She cannot avoid people responding to her appearance because she is very beautiful and sexy without trying. Why should she have to go to great pains to underplay that? Women have had to overplay and underplay for too long. Lets just be whatever we want when we want. About Jewel coming out on BiBi's shoulder and not waving to fans. Come ON. Jewel cannot promise to be on and available all the time. Just like us, she is sometimes overwhelmed, timed, grumpy and just cannot respond. It doesnt mean ANYTHING. What do we expect of public people? Do we need to get a life? Rather than holding our breath in fear she might CHANGE, why not put that energy into guiding our own change in ways that we will be able to honor OURSELVES. I admit, people's responses/expectations of public figures is a mystery to me. Just my take. Hiranya ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #538 ***************************