From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #512 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, 27 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 512 Today's Subjects: ----------------- AOL & IRC ??'s Tor is moving...... funky teeth & Re: NJC: I got a new car Re: Jewel's *Perfection* Maybe Jewel WON'T be on AOL tonight!?!?!?!?!? Re: Jewel's *Perfection* Jewel's appearance Back in the saddle again. NO Jewel chat tonite... Re: danny devito AOL Transcript Request for Website Re: mixed messages and sundry stuff Re: :) jones beach and others Re: Jewel's Philosophy beauty scent of a woman Re: Jewel Tapes Perfection vs. Beauty ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "R.D. Schroedter, III" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 09:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: AOL & IRC ??'s What are the room(s) and/or channel(s) for either AOL or IRC? And when are people gathering? Thanks, Angels! Rob ------------------------------ From: "Tor Kristensen" Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 18:16:06 UT Subject: Tor is moving...... Hello everyone, I'm sending this e-mail to everyone in my address book, just to let everyone know that I'm moving to Denmark tomorrow, and will be there for quite some time. My new physical address will be Tor Kristensen c/o Araneum Tordenskjoldsgade 17, st. DK-1055 Copenhagen K. DENMARK my e-mail will stay the same, Tor_Kristensen@msn.com Hope everyone is well & enjoying life! Good Journey, Tor ------------------------------ From: Anand Gajjala Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:21:53 -0400 Subject: funky teeth & Re: NJC: I got a new car Well since this thread is almost dead, I thought I'd add fuel to the fire, so here goes. Does anyone think that Jewel's crooked tooth affects her voice/sound? I can't sing worth squat, but I know that singing invovles the the entire upper body (lungs, diaphram, etc) and not just the mouth, so don't flame me. The reason I ask, is that when I was in the seventh grade, (wow, that was 10 years ago) I was *persuaded* into speech therapy because I couldn't get my 'S' sound right. I had crooked teeth and all the air would go out the side of my mouth instead of the front whenever I talked. I got braces a year later, which not only straightended my teeth, but cured my problem. Also... I drive a stick, which I learnt driving my current car, which happened to be *new* at that time, so I didn't have the benefit of learning gracefully (read grinding gears) in an old clunker, without remorse :( Anand MrNoctrnl@aol.com wrote: > > IMHO, there is NOTHING like a good, direct 5-speed with a nice sticky clutch. > Ah, to shift for yourself is truly the way things should be! To me, > automatics generally lack soul, while with a manual you are more connected to > the car... kinda like being a fan of a music group because they have kewl > hair versus being a fan of Jewel because she blows your mind. Know what I > mean? Okay, I'm now curious... how many EDA's drive a stick? I'd bet lots > of money that the Archangel herself can... hmm... interesting thought. > Anyone know? > > Duncan, > EDA size XL ------------------------------ From: Colin Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:50:00 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Jewel's *Perfection* At 05:03 PM 8/27/96 +1000, you wrote: >Can I say something at the risk of being flamed??? > >Do you think you're all idealising Jewel just a bit much??? All this stuff >about her being damn near perfect??? I mean, I think it might be a little >hard for her to actually live up to ideals like that. She can't be perfect. >Are any of us??? No. I sure as hell am not. Today I'm a moody, grumpy bitch >(I'm just staying in my room so my housemates don't have to deal with it). >So I just kinda think it's not so good to think of Jewel as perfect. She's >pretty cool, very talented and gifted and very beautiful. O.K. I believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but why can't perfection be in the eye of the beholder? To me I see Jewel as a perfect being.. Why? cause when I compare to anyone else she IS! You are right in saying that she isn't perfect to but me, and I am sure others, she is perfect. No, she isn't perfect in a sense of flawless or immunity of defect, but she is perfect to and in a sense of comparison. Have you ever really likes someone? When you look at that he/she, aren't they perfect in your mind, no matter what they do? ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:56:49 -0400 Subject: Maybe Jewel WON'T be on AOL tonight!?!?!?!?!? EDA's Shortly after I posted the news this morning about Jewel on AOL tonight I checked the AOL site. Then Rachel (Cornflkgl@aol.com) posted/'cut and pasted' all the info that was on the site, and posted it to the list. Well, I just rechecked the main site for tonight's AOL chat and I think it may be off, at least the Jewel part. No reference to Jewel what-so-ever anymore. They even had a fairly large picture there before that is now gone. Most of the other guests are still listed, just Jewel has disappeared. This is common with announced guests on AOL. I've tuned in for a few chats before where the guest had to pull out. Then again....maybe she will show up, but I doubt it....like I said, no mention of her anymore on the site. Mike ------------------------------ From: Anthony Prescott Pego Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 17:00:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Jewel's *Perfection* > O.K. I believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but why >can't perfection be in the eye of the beholder? To me I see Jewel as a >perfect being.. Why? cause when I compare to anyone else she IS! You are >right in saying that she isn't perfect to but me, and I am sure others, she >is perfect. No, she isn't perfect in a sense of flawless or immunity of >defect, but she is perfect to and in a sense of comparison. Have you ever >really likes someone? When you look at that he/she, aren't they perfect in >your mind, no matter what they do? you said it, man.. really. Thats EXACTLY how it is for me.. and I suspect anyone else who has TRUELY felt love.. Anthony Prescott Pego Little Cub Pego Pi Graphics - Pego Imaging & Web Design [O W N E R] http://www.telepath.com/pmg pmg@telepath.com pmg.pi@juno.com ------------------------------ From: FVVM98B@prodigy.com ( SUPERDEFORMED ANGEL) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:01:14, -0500 Subject: Jewel's appearance Okay guys, a lot of posts are serious but now I'm upset. She's a singer, not a model. It shouldn't matter how she looks. We have only to give that a moment of thought to know that it unfortunately does matter. She has a loyal following, a platnium album and a gorgeous boyfriend. How much prettier does she need to be? A lot of list members think she's very pretty now, non-list member tend to feel the same way they just have a less respectful way of saying it. If Jewel was much prettier she would draw a more predominantly male and perverted following like Hole. Assuming she was of the same personality of a musician we would have a conflict with this side of her following and the list never would have been close knit. Meanwhile people without the intelligence to identify sarcasm would always be bitching for Race Car Driver and God's Gift to Woman, or any other songs that can be interpretted in a less intelligent manner. I love Jewel no matter what she looks like and I can't imagine even ten people on this list feel differently. SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl ------------------------------ From: Karl M Fields Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Back in the saddle again. On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Colin wrote: > O.K. I believe that beauty is in the eye of the beholder but why > can't perfection be in the eye of the beholder? To me I see Jewel as a > perfect being.. Why? cause when I compare to anyone else she IS! I was standing about three feet away from her for about half an hour on Thursday night of JewelStock. I say she's perfect. (Even if I was blind.) I can't wait to get my three 90 minute tapes of perfection. Anyway, I am sure I am not the only one concerned by the low point the list has just rebounded from (Can you say MJB?). It is very good to see things back to normal. The list makes me smile once again. Karl M Fields kmf29184@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu ------------------------------ From: CornflkGl@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 18:40:18 -0400 Subject: NO Jewel chat tonite... Mike was right, there is no mention of the Jewel Q&A room tonite. *sob* WHERE did she GO ? I noticed that everything on the page changed, tho'... maybe we missed this LAST night ? I am SO upset... Sorry to everybody I told how to do the keywords, and sorry to Allison, who I was going to ask a question for... oh well, just one little set back in the bif picture of things. :(, Rachel "All the angels and all the wizards, black and white, are lighting candles in our hands" -- ToRi AmoS ------------------------------ From: Kamyar Aram Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 19:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: danny devito >> >> everyone is beautiful. >> noone is ugly. >> =) > >Two words: > Danny DeVito i'll have to remember never to eat and read EDA messages at the same time... i almost choked... (and i don't really think he's ugly... funny looking, no doubt) ------------------------------ From: Xenomorph Date: Tue, 27 Aug 96 20:29:35 -0500 Subject: AOL Transcript Request for Website Could someone please email me or post a complete transcript of tonight's chat on AOL? I would like to have it posted on my site in the morning for all those that don't get to see it or didn't get in. Myself included. Thanks a bunch for contributing to the site! Adam - -- Pieces of Jewel http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/xenomorph/jewelmn.htm I want to compile accurate concert info so I'm looking for people to send me setlists, reviews, details ASAP. ------------------------------ From: Crash Boy Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:54:53 +0000 Subject: Re: mixed messages and sundry stuff Pat Brown wrote: >> well, how bout i have the title, "Longest hair on the list that >>other EDAs have met"? that sounds better to me. how's that? >Of course, you realise that won't hold once I (a) convince a few of the >offline angels in this area to subscribe and (b) start heading out to >meet others on the list. okay, it probably won't, but i'll gladly hold the title until you do so. heh heh. :) >I'll give you "Longest hair at JewelStock." Until the next one, that >is.... actually, i think people will attest that Liz had longer hair, keyword being 'had'. well, i thought so. selena just made it a tie so i wouldn't feel bad. :) of course, we could just take "mug shot"-type pictures, send them to Dennis Harris, have him scan them and put up a web site. hey, if he could do it for paul *coughkittenchough* kim, then he could do it for a measly little hair length contest. whaddya say dennis? i mean, he's not going to great adventure, so he's got lots of free time. :) eric :) ------------------------------ From: Crash Boy Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 01:54:56 +0000 Subject: Re: :) Laura Capello wrote: >gee eric, you're just now learning to drive a stick? it's one of my most >pleasurable things i get to do everyday... shifting gears and the grace >of the hands/foot/eye/time coridination thing... love it. i refuse >driving automatics now... hey, that's what a lot of my friends said. i dunno. i had my first lesson today, and it was anything but pleasurable. i thought the damn car was gonna fall apart. guess i'm not using enough "grace", or i'm just too used to slamming down on the gas like i used to do in the automatic. well, we'll just have to see what happens. guess i won't be able to drive barefoot anymore. oh well. it's against the law, anyway. :) eric :) ------------------------------ From: MADPADS@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:05:09 -0400 Subject: jones beach and others hello everyone john here.i guess we will all be racing to live chat tonite,see ya there.i have realized that i do not know jewel as well as i would like to i have been requesting help in obtaining some other recordings besides POY but the offers have not been overwhelming.SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl is going to give me a little help as soon as i can get email to you (it has been getting returned?)i copied your tele # from your ticket offer post maybe i will call you at the office.i dont even know your name.i was trying to reach you before the show so we could meet at the beach but my mail kept bouncing.write to me.the show at jones beach was for lack of a better word great.wish she could have played all nite.i could try to give you a set list but there is a few songs i didn't know. 8:30 p.m. summertime,sattelite,sometimes it be that way,kmart bathroom,deep water,fragile flame,YWMFM,fat boy?,why dont you leave me alone??,what nice eyes you have(never trust)???,WWSYS,9:30 p.m. ?-means i'm not sure what song it was so i just took a line from the song.any help? anyone else make it to the show?some people next to me said jewel was hangin out in the parking lot before the show i was busy poundin brews wit da boys.i was wondering what does it mean to you to be an EDA is it something you always were?when is the next show or get together i would like to meet more of you.anyway, i don't want to ramble too much what is goin on for the holiday weekend?Hey Jewel what are you doing this weekend?i'll ask you tonite.anyone want to talk feel free to email me. ------------------------------ From: rwm126@psu.edu (Rich Melko) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:38:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Jewel's Philosophy >What Jewel's comment means to me, Charlie, is that all of us live our lives >according to the perceptions we hold. My notion of perception presupposes >that there is no inherent reality to the internal world each of us creates, >but is instead based upon our unique experiences (and genetics, too, but >that's another story). > >Since this world inside our mind is experiential rather than *real,* our >response to what we perceive is by necessity emotional and not analytical. >I would go so far as to say that even when we think we are processing in a >linear and analytic fashion, we often deceive ourselves. Since our thinking >is based on our own perceptions--and are therefore, by definition, >personal--we first react emotionally, and only then are able use our >so-called logic to justify or change our thoughts and actions. I wanted to reply to this but lost it. Thanks for keeping it alive. I think it is an issue of where the thoughts are coming from. I think there is a consious existence and an subconsious one. The subonsious one is true and unaffected by the world and perceptions, the consious one is and can often be a problem. It is hard to derive thoughts from the subconsious without them being altered by the consious. Thought in itself is a mystery. I am not sure if I think about the same things as other people. >This is not to say that we cannot and do not use thought to modify our >emotional responses. Thankfully, most of us have learned certain socially >acceptable behavior, even if our first inclination might be otherwise. The >overall point I'm trying to make here is that the emotion *always* precedes >any rational thought, and therefore shapes how we respond (i.e. how we live >our life). I have this problem. By being brought up in certain situations, my first instinctual reaction or thought is sometimes what I know is wrong. I can then correct that but can't stop it from being my instinct. I don't see it as an emotional response but more of a trained one. Next follows the emotional reaction which is correct and just. Rational thought then acts to control the emotion so as not to hurt me or anyone else. I hope that is not too confusing. It is all a progression of thoughts that happen in an instant. Most of the time the trained thoughts come first. If the process breaks down it could spell disaster. Fighting is an example. Would rational consious thought ever allow a person to strike another knowing they will get struck back? In this case emotion acted without rational thoughts control. I guess that means I am reacting to the world that has been created in my mind. Although it may not be another persons reality it does exist so in my mind so I react in that way. I think what Jewel was saying is that reality is relative. We make our own realities. Our reactions are controlled by our emotions which are reactions to the world as we see it. I get a little queasy everytime I see someone say that isn't realistic or that isn't reality. Reality is not a concrete thing. Ask a lunatic what is real and you might be surprised at how he believes what he tells you. That is his reality, maybe not yours but if he believes it to be true then it is. I remembered something yesterday and then thought, was that a dream I had. I am still not sure so it might as well be reality. My reality anyway. Reality is not real at all but also a perception controlled by the mind doing the perceiving. Please tell me I'm not a weirdo. Sorry for dragging on again. Just thought that this was a great topic for discussion. Rich Melko rwm126@psu.edu ################################# Jerry - You're Crazy. Kramer - Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind. ################################# ------------------------------ From: FVVM98B@prodigy.com ( SUPERDEFORMED ANGEL) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:32:51, -0500 Subject: beauty No, Everyone is beautiful but EVERYONE is ugly. SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl - -------FORWARD, Original message follows------- Date: 08/27 at 12:55 AM FROM: crunch ID: nestle@ptd.net Subject: beauty Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:38:43 -0400 From: crunch [nestle@ptd.net] Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org [owner-jewel@smoe.org] Subject: beauty everyone is beautiful. noone is ugly. =) -------- Original message header follows -------- From owner-jewel@smoe.org Mon Aug 26 00:55:31 1996 [PIM 3. 2-030.47] Received: from relay1.shore.net (root@relay1.shore.net [192. 233.85.129]) by pimaia1y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA80912; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:49:13 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by relay1.shore.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA06053; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA24271; Tue, 27 Aug 96 00:42:17 EDT Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:41:20 -0400 Received: by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA24235; Tue, 27 Aug 96 00:41:16 EDT Received: from ns1.ptd.net (ns1-95.ptd.net) by smoe.org (4. 1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA24229; Tue, 27 Aug 96 00:41:05 EDT Received: from nissley1 (cs3-15.lan.ptd.net [204.186.30. 47]) by ns1.ptd.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26734 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <32227BD3.6891@ptd.net> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 00:38:43 -0400 From: crunch X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Everyday Angels Subject: beauty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk -------------- End of message --------------- - -------FORWARD, End of original message------- ------------------------------ From: Selena Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:55:57 -0700 Subject: scent of a woman I am new to this computer stuff. In the past, when I responded to a post, I either had all of the post that I was responding to in >>>these<<< and then I might backspace until just the particular sentance was showing. Well, tonight I thought I must find a quicker way to respond to just one paragraph. So I cut out Igor's beautiful paragraph, pasted it, responded and... VOILLA! TADA! One problem, none of >>> these<<<. So it looks as if I wrote that paragraph. I cannot take credit for it. And I am really feeling like an idiot. And to set the record straight, I don't personally know that each woman smells different. Oh geez. Now I will just quietly dig this hole and bury myself. Harris, not one word outa you! Selena ------------------------------ From: FVVM98B@prodigy.com ( SUPERDEFORMED ANGEL) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 22:51:29, -0500 Subject: Re: Jewel Tapes The answer to what I have to trade is nothing but a few extras blanks to pay for Gerrit's time. This isn't about who has what to trade guys. If anyone wants a dub of anything I have I'm happy to oblige and that's the way it should be between any two(or more) people on this list! Why must everything be an even exchange instead of people helping each other out as a curtesy? The answer to your other question is that I have Iron horse Northhampton MA, 1/29/96. It that the one? If not Seattle is better then Philadelphia. I haven't listened to all the rest yet but the first Jewel concert I ever went to came out nicely. SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl - -------FORWARD, Original message follows------- Date: 08/27 at 02:05 AM FROM: Mike Howerton ID: mike_h@indirect.com Subject: Re: Jewel Tapes Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:34:57 -0700 From: Mike Howerton [mike_h@indirect.com] Subject: Re: Jewel Tapes At 12:13 AM 8/27/96 -0500, you wrote: >My address is: >Jared Jacobus >637 Winding Hollow Dr. >Franklin Lakes, NJ 07417 > >Seattle and Philadelphia are about 90 minutes each. New >York is a little shorter. I just receive another 27 >bootlegs from Gerrit in the mail so if you want something >else just ask. > Well, whichever of Seattle or Philadelphia is better quality would be great. Of the 27 new ones you got... If one of them is super great quality then that would be good or if one of them is The Rockin Horse from February in Scottsdale Az then I would like that instead. I will leave it up to you what you think is best. 27 new shows?? Wow, what exactly do you have to trade to get 27 shows in the mail??? -------- Original message header follows -------- From mike_h@indirect.com Mon Aug 26 02:05:23 1996 [PIM 3. 2-030.47] Received: from bud.indirect.com (root@bud.indirect.com [165. 247.1.10]) by pimaia1w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA12858 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 1996 01:50:31 -0400 Received: from mike_h.indirect.com (phx-ts1-7.goodnet.com [207.98.131.40]) by bud.indirect.com (8.7.4/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA15069 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:50:24 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960827053457.00723d18@mail.indirect. com> X-Sender: mike_h@mail.indirect.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:34:57 -0700 To: FVVM98B@prodigy.com ( SUPERDEFORMED ANGEL) From: Mike Howerton Subject: Re: Jewel Tapes -------------- End of message --------------- - -------FORWARD, End of original message------- ------------------------------ From: Sean Hooks Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 23:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Perfection vs. Beauty Date: 27-Aug-1996 11:28pm EST From: Hooks, Sean SHOOKS Dept: STUDENT Tel No: (201)-408-5581 TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%jewel@smoe.org ) Subject: Perfection vs. Beauty No, perfection isn't and cannot be in the eye of the beholder. There are degrees of beauty. There are no degrees when it comes to perfection, it is an ultimate thing. Very few things in this world are perfect. Jewel would prob'ly admit to being far far from it. Read the poem "Me." Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #512 ***************************