From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #447 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Sunday, 4 August 1996 Volume 01 : Number 447 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Criticisms of Jewel Re: Criticisms of Jewel Bootlegs Rage TV version of "Quiet Warrior" needed for archive,please NJC: Re: Ruth Buzzi responses, i think i've earned it Re: Rage TV version of "Quiet Warrior" needed for archive,please Re: patti smith(Sick & Disgusting Story) Re: Hootie/Jewel NH Hotels -READ!!! flaming jewel gently RAGE TV channel Re: Serious post re: Men's responsibilit Re: patti smith(Sick & Disgusting Story) Re: appearances Re: Politically Incorrect Mention BST: NJC: College Search Every one look out! Re: jewel-digest V1 #446 Criticisms of Jewel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dean Date: Sun, 04 Aug 96 11:56:49 EST Subject: Re: Criticisms of Jewel On Sun, 04 Aug 1996 06:55:33 +0100 you said: >. Blind faith in an artist's decisions isn't very intelligent. >And "blind faith in your leaders or in anything, will get you killed. >'Cause what I'm talkin' 'bout here is...war." If you can name the >artist, >Bruce Springsteen >or maybe Joan of Arc >no wait Thomas Aquinas >no Mary Jo Kopeckne >Panchen Lama >I give up, who? Um.... IT'S BRUCE. Dean Harris ------------------------------ From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 09:16:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Criticisms of Jewel Sean Hooks wrote: > Subject: Criticisms of Jewel Again Jersey "Big Balls" Sean steps forward and isn't afraid to to say something that may not be popular with the majority. Jewel took a chance at JS and played mostly unreleased material for her most knowledgable audience. We should also be her most critical audience and not just camp followers. I think she showed us that she trusted us enough to do just that. Lenedra even said that we were a "fan"tastic and not a "fan"atic group. Only fanatics would blindly follow someone. Lets keep Jewels respect and not be afraid to criticize her. For that matter, since we are all friends, lets not be afraid to criticize each other. > Just thought of posting this after I read a couple of past postings. One > was about how we shouldn't feel that criticizing Jewel is bad just because > we love her. Blind faith in an artist's decisions isn't very intelligent. > And "blind faith in your leaders or in anything, will get you killed. > 'Cause what I'm talkin' 'bout here is...war." If you can name the artist, > year, and source, you're cool. Tom Proven was close. It was Bruce Springsteen during an intro to his cover of the Edwin Starr song "War". I think he did it at the No Nukes Benifit Concert at Madison Square Garden NYC. 1982-4? I was at the concert. > As an excellent writer myself who views > Jewel's poetry as some of the best I have ever heard, far better than her > lyrics, which are damn good too, I find it easy to relate to her from a > writer's vantage point. I would love to read some of your writing, even if it isn't popular stuff. That is only if you are not afraid of our criticism. > "Come mothers and fathers throughout the land > And don't criticize what you can't understand > Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command > Your old road is rapidly aging" > -Bob Dylan You really do your homework. Great quote and example. > It was just the only song I could think of offhand with the word criticize > in it. And by the way, Jewel would do a great cover of that song. Oh, and > Pat Benatar is cool, Jewel should cover her too. That's for Selena who sat > in front of me at Jewelstock and, now that I'm single and take this as a > compliment please-looks damn good for her age, and was cool and friendly > and didn't obscure my view of Jewel and likes Pat Benatar and whose > husband? Got to stop you right there. Our Golden Goddess looks good period. She's a big girl(you know what I mean Selena, not old or fat or tall or...) and can defend herself. Oh, BTW, I hope you take the nickname I crowned you with(Jersey Big Balls)as a compliment. It was meant that way. Igor igorwas@smartcitysys.com P.S. Now were are both in trouble with Selena. ------------------------------ From: Chris3255@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:38:00 -0400 Subject: Bootlegs I don't speak up often enough so here's my thoughts on bootlegs. If the artist's company released them than everybody who has them would buy them from the artists company (probably getting better quality & such) giving them more money. So it's their fault (partially) that bootlegs exist. What do you think (I only accept "Fragile Flame"'s) Chris NP: Jewel "Poem Song (Wild Horses)" Innerchange Days ------------------------------ From: ABershaw@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:21:14 -0400 Subject: Rage TV version of "Quiet Warrior" needed for archive,please Hi all, If anyone mastered the Rage TV version of "Quiet Warrior" (NOT the Surfrider Concert version) in Hi Fi Stereo(or otherwise), please contact Hiranya or myself. This is needed for the archive. Thanks!--------Alan B ------------------------------ From: gregdunn@indy.net (Greg Dunn) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:21:41 -0500 Subject: NJC: Re: Ruth Buzzi >Fuzzy and/or Robb asked: >"who is Ruth Buzzi, should I know this one?" She was somewhat famous for playing the grumpy old spinster on Rowan & Martin's "Laugh-In" back in the '60s (the one who always smacked the old man with her purse after he made vulgar remarks to her). Played occasional character parts in movies after that. A friend of mine sat next to her on a plane once and said she was an absolute riot. Not to Worry, Carter, she wasn't as pretty as Jewel. :) - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | gregdunn@indy.net | knowledge is not wisdom; | | GregDunn@aol.com | wisdom is not truth." | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn/ | -- Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ From: Kamyar Aram Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: responses, i think i've earned it okay, after reading through about 4 hours worth of digest i wanted to reply to some things, and i think i've earned it... i haven't posted for a long time... >"Ode to the guitar" by Pablo Neruda as a guitar player, a musician, and music appreciator i'll say that was an amazingly beautiful poem... i wish i could read spanish to read the original (someday i will)... thanks charlie re: tape trade: since joining the tape trade scene, i've noticed several things that are common courteousy among traders: 1)use only type II or better cassettes 2)NEVER EVER HIGH SPEED DUB 3)no dolby (unless required or requested, which is rare) 4)clear, complete set lists (the most often ignored one) other things such as turn around time, sending covers, etc. are negotiated mostly on a trader/trade basis... hope this helps some regarding the ever attention getting good looks of our Jewel... many of my friends, when they see i listen to jewel, also say crap like, "she's hot" or "she's got great tits"... it pisses me off and i let them know... i simply say, hey, i know she's good-looking but don't say that to me cause i take it personally... i know she's "hot" but commenting on her looks alone, or even at all, is just to shallow for me... her music, poetry and inner beauty surpass her phsyical beauty so far that missing them to me is offensive... it's funny, but when someone says something like "she's got great tits" i take it as if they're talking about my own sister... (i don't even have a sister)... it's like, yeah sure, but what about her human personality?!... >anyways I don't know, maybe they were talking about this Richard >Jewell character. Bastard. So i'm watching the olympics and I >reckon this has been posted about already, but anyway they found a >suspect for the Atlanta bombing in Centennial Park, turns out this >guy's name is Richard Jewell. Turns out he's the slickster who clued hmm, i don't think it's right to say stuff like this quite yet... it's seems quite possible that richard jewell is the bomber, but nothings been proven, and he hasn't even been arrested yet... it's not fair to judge someone immediately because the media picks up on investigations... INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY is really becoming a load of crap in this country... maybe in the courts, but w/ the media it does not exist in public society... same thing w/ O.J. Simpson... sure, there's a possiblity that he did, and maybe the brown family knows things that we don't cause they seem so sure, but the court found him innocent and what i know about the case is what i heard through the media... it is purely my opinion: i'd rather have a guilty criminal walk free than an innocent human being be punished for something he did not do... that is the essence of innocent until proven guilty... thanks for reading, if you did... peace yar ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 13:40:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Rage TV version of "Quiet Warrior" needed for archive,please Big Al wrote, > If anyone mastered the Rage TV version of "Quiet Warrior" (NOT the > Surfrider Concert version) in Hi Fi Stereo(or otherwise), please contact > Hiranya or myself. This is needed for the archive. Thanks!--------Alan B By the way, is this a show on a specific channel (MTV, USA etc) usually, or is "Rage" a channel? Mike C. ------------------------------ From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 10:43:18 -0700 Subject: Re: patti smith(Sick & Disgusting Story) First I want to say that I Love Patti Smith. Her version of "Fire" which she co-wrote with Bruce Springsteen is better than my favorite artist, Bruce's version. The story I would like to share with you all is so disgusting and perverted, I am chosing to only sent it to people that ask for it privately. Sick minds and Patti Smith fans only. I don't mean to say that Patti Smith fans have sick minds. Send me an email with subject:Patti Smith Story. If you have anything to tell me about Patti, then please include. If you think I'm sick and perverted, let me know. Igor igorwas@smartcitysys.com ------------------------------ From: Hiranya@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:55:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Hootie/Jewel Its Jewel. She has played with Hootie a number of times and they have become friends. The song was the cover 'Have a Little Faith in Me' that was already mentioned. (If I dont have that title exactly correct let me know.) Hiranya ------------------------------ From: "Akira" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:51:39 -0400 Subject: NH Hotels -READ!!! Okay EDA's... I'm posting this after reading crashboy's post on the status of rooms. Since he just doesn't have the time to find a place, or was unable, I would like to do this small task for everyone. I already have a couple places in mind and will be able to get info to everyone this coming monday night. If anyone has an objections... and I know that there out somewhere... I ask you to, once again, put me in my place. Akira ------------------------------ From: FVVM98B@prodigy.com ( SUPERDEFORMED ANGEL) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:43:46, -0500 Subject: flaming jewel gently First of all I agree completely with what you just said. But Jewel is also right. It's weird to learn with half a million people breathing down your back and watching every move you make and worse yet having an opinion. But Jewel treats us like her friends. Therefore she is comfortable making a joke. Instead of flaming her we should show appreciation for her comfort with us. I'm a Chicago Bulls fan and nothing pisses me off more then a reporter saying "Let's go live with Michael Jordan to the men's room and watch him urinate." I don't want to hear about Michael gambling. I just want to watch him play basketball and that for only as long as he wants to play. Jewel is a little different because she makes an effort to establish a relationship with her fans. - -------FORWARD, Original message follows------- Date: 08/02 at 1:46 PM FROM: Sabra Richardson ID: Sabra.Richardson@m.cc.utah.edu Subject: flaming jewel gently Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:39:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Sabra Richardson [Sabra.Richardson@m.cc.utah. edu] Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org [owner-jewel@smoe.org] In-Reply-To: <199608021702.NAA03146@acmey.gatech.edu> Subject: flaming jewel gently On Fri, 2 Aug 1996, The AutoCAD Guy wrote: > Oh well, I'm still not sorry for expressing my opinion... But to cut down > on Non-Jewel Content, I'll just keep it in alt.philosophy next time... :) Actually, it was refreshing to see that some people here have minds of their own. Rather than immediately accepting Jewel's opinion, they challenged it. There are those who idolize celebrity figures so much that they place blind faith in certain beliefs without thinking for themselves. I was happy to see that this is a group of thinkers, not mere followers! Nobody's perfect so we shouldn't expect Jewel to be. On another note, whatever happened to the video clip compilation that was going to be treed? I thought it would include live shows and the two videos ... Did that idea leave with Ken W.? I had the impression it was nearly completed. Also, I, for one, will miss James Reach dearly! Good luck, Tom! sabra -------- Original message header follows -------- From owner-jewel@smoe.org Thu Aug 01 13:46:56 1996 [PIM 3. 2-030.47] Received: from relay1.shore.net (root@relay1.shore.net [192. 233.85.129]) by pimaia3w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA89902; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:40:57 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (majordom@smoe.org [204.167.97. 154]) by relay1.shore.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03529; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA01570; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:40:33 EDT Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 2 Aug 1996 13:39:50 -0400 Received: by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA01513; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:39:47 EDT Received: from tec.oz.cc.utah.edu by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1- hack1) id AA01506; Fri, 2 Aug 96 13:39:30 EDT Received: from cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (sr1216@cor-oz [155.99.2. 2]) by tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA17083; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from sr1216@localhost) by cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (8. 7.1/8.7.1) id LAA12990; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:39:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 1996 11:39:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Sabra Richardson To: The AutoCAD Guy Cc: jewel@smoe.org Subject: flaming jewel gently In-Reply-To: <199608021702.NAA03146@acmey.gatech.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk -------------- End of message --------------- - -------FORWARD, End of original message------- ------------------------------ From: MikeAlow@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:12:28 -0400 Subject: RAGE TV channel In a message dated 96-08-04 13:41:56 EDT, you write: > By the way, is this a show on a specific channel (MTV, USA etc) usually, or is > "Rage" a > channel? I think it is a video show prodeuced by WSBK which I believe is a Boston station. I think its on Fridays @ 1AM or so. Mike A. ------------------------------ From: FVVM98B@prodigy.com ( SUPERDEFORMED ANGEL) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:38:03, -0500 Subject: Re: Serious post re: Men's responsibilit Dear Amy, That particular type of ignorance is somewhat scary. But what scares me is the appathy practice by all the other woman there. Even the men there. You can't teach people love my hating them, you have to show them love and hope they see it. But as for people who's mind don't function logically I can only take pitty on them. It's immposible for a relationship to work that doesn't have and equally mutual respect factor at it's foundation. I apologize for being because I feel ashamed by this story. SuPeRdEfOrMeD aNgEl - -------FORWARD, Original message follows------- Date: 08/03 at 1:00 AM FROM: W1GGY2@aol.com ID: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: Re: Serious post re: Men's responsibilit Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:57:48 -0400 From: W1GGY2@aol.com [W1GGY2@aol.com] Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org [owner-jewel@smoe.org] Subject: Re: Serious post re: Men's responsibilities A little venting of my own. I was on the NJ Transit train the other day and unfortunately overheard three (loud) men going on about how women are inferior to men - "they were made from MY rib, not me from hers", blah blah blah. Finally at the point where one of them said something to the effect that if a woman ever comes up to him and starts acting like a man, he'd kill her. (he said it a couple of times and he wasn't speaking figuratively). At that point I got up and said "pig" and left the car. The scary thing was, the train was full and no one else even seemed to take notice let alone get upset. In fact, one guy came over to say he agreed with them. I still fume over this days later and it makes me wish I had said more. Ignorance is not bliss. Ignorance is SCARY. Sorry to burden the list but everyone I've told so far thinks it's funny. ???? Amy -------- Original message header follows -------- From owner-jewel@smoe.org Fri Aug 02 01:00:54 1996 [PIM 3. 2-030.47] Received: from relay1.shore.net (root@relay1.shore.net [192. 233.85.129]) by pimaia1y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA25164; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:56:58 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (majordom@smoe.org [204.167.97. 154]) by relay1.shore.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26138; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA06340; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:56:37 EDT Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:55:30 -0400 Received: by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA06247; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:55:24 EDT Received: from emout09.mail.aol.com (emout09.mx.aol.com) by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA06240; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:55:20 EDT Received: by emout09.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA10843 for jewel@smoe.org; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:57:48 - 0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:57:48 -0400 From: W1GGY2@aol.com Message-Id: <960803005747_448391106@emout09.mail.aol.com> To: Ddhaoc@aol.com, jewel@smoe.org Subject: Re: Serious post re: Men's responsibilities Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk -------------- End of message --------------- - -------FORWARD, End of original message------- ------------------------------ From: Victor Igor Wasylczenko Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 11:55:51 -0700 Subject: Re: patti smith(Sick & Disgusting Story) Victor Igor Wasylczenko wrote: > > First I want to say that I Love Patti Smith. Her version of "Fire" > which she co-wrote with Bruce Springsteen is better than my favorite > artist, Bruce's version. So I'm responding to my own post. Correction:I meant to say "Because the Night" not "Fire" No one corrected me. Just trying to see if you are paying attention. Igor igorwas@smartcitysys.com ------------------------------ From: gregdunn@indy.net (Greg Dunn) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 14:16:06 -0500 Subject: Re: appearances >regarding the ever attention getting good looks of our Jewel... many of my >friends, when they see i listen to jewel, also say crap like, "she's hot" That drives me up the wall too... I usually reply, "Beauty comes from within." Jewel isn't exactly my ideal of feminine pulchritude, btw. Big deal. I loved her music before I ever got a good look at her, and I'm sure I won't change my mind about her music if she suddenly gains 240 pounds and gets her hair cut in a spike :) - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | gregdunn@indy.net | knowledge is not wisdom; | | GregDunn@aol.com | wisdom is not truth." | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn/ | -- Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ From: FVVM98B@prodigy.com ( SUPERDEFORMED ANGEL) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:12:57, -0500 Subject: Re: Politically Incorrect Mention Ouch! - -------FORWARD, Original message follows------- Date: 08/03 at 1:08 AM FROM: W1GGY2@aol.com ID: W1GGY2@aol.com Subject: Re: Politically Incorrect Mention Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:54:11 -0400 From: W1GGY2@aol.com [W1GGY2@aol.com] Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org [owner-jewel@smoe.org] Subject: Re: Politically Incorrect Mention Dean wrote: >Although I don't really "know" Jewel, from what I have seen her parents did a wonderful job to prepare her for anything she may do in life. I don't see Jewel becoming one of these "it's all about me" stars we see so much today. Because of her background, her family and now her loyal fans (aka EDAs), I think Jewel will always remain grounded.< I don't know, I can kinda see a Madonna-type-thing going on behind those sweet innocent eyes. You know, Jewel in a couple years wearing a leather bra with 20 half-naked male dancers doing a number behind her and ending up in a pyramid with Jewel on top sitting in a gilded chair eating bon-bons. Anyone else? ;-) Amy And BTW, Dean, where's that picture? -------- Original message header follows -------- From owner-jewel@smoe.org Fri Aug 02 01:08:51 1996 [PIM 3. 2-030.47] Received: from relay1.shore.net (root@relay1.shore.net [192. 233.85.129]) by pimaia3w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id AAA97878; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:56:55 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (majordom@smoe.org [204.167.97. 154]) by relay1.shore.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA26125; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA06346; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:56:45 EDT Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:55:38 -0400 Received: by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA06271; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:55:33 EDT Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com) by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA06239; Sat, 3 Aug 96 00:55:09 EDT Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA11951; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:54:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 00:54:11 -0400 From: W1GGY2@aol.com Message-Id: <960803005411_448391033@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: DEHARRIS@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu, CJDavid@dockmaster.ncsc. mil, jewel@smoe.org Subject: Re: Politically Incorrect Mention Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. Precedence: bulk -------------- End of message --------------- - -------FORWARD, End of original message------- ------------------------------ From: Chris3255@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:42:50 -0400 Subject: BST: NJC: College Search I am a senior in HS & starting my college search & I have it narrowed down to a few, so if anyone @ the following colleges could write back to me & be willing to answer some questions, or be willing to write me about their colleges it would be very helpful in my decision. Thank you. Here's the list: Georgetown University Goucher University Loyola University University of Maryland @ College Park University of Pennsylvania (not Penn State) University of Virginia (Charlottesville) Thank you again with a reply Chris ------------------------------ From: bmeskin@mailbox.syr.edu Date: 04 Aug 96 5:11:30 PM Subject: Every one look out! Okay everyone listen up. I am the Mad Jewel Bomber. I have your list at my mercy. If you people don't wnat all sorts of hell and damnation to rain down upon you you will give in to my list of demands, which will be forth coming soon, so watch for it. By the way in case you fools haven't figured it out I.m not Bret I`m just borrowing his moniker for this message, i'll show up as some one else next. ------------------------------ From: hope Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:09:52 -0500 Subject: Re: jewel-digest V1 #446 >I think Ruth Buzzi was from the TV show "Laugh In". She as funny but a kiss from her would certainly be an acquired taste. >Ruth Buzzi is probably best know forher Laugh-In work. She as the old >lady on the bench in theskit with Arte Johnson. She'd hit him with her >purse when he made some kind of off-color remark. __________________________________________________________ Ruth Buzzi was a very funny comedian on Laugh in. It is true that she played an old lady who hit Arte Johnson with her Purse. He played the dirty-old-man. Ruth Buzzi's talent lies in her ability to make people laugh by playing herself down. She uses a very dry humor and she can keep a straight face. I remember seeing interviews with her when she looked very nice. (On the show she dressed in old-maid attire and wore a hair net to keep herself from looking too young) Most of the laughs were scripted in such a way that people would laugh at the nievity of the character she played. Her character was an older version of Rhoda's sister on the show Rhoda. I hope my references are not to out of date.... Hope ------------------------------ From: FVVM98B@prodigy.com ( SUPERDEFORMED ANGEL) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:26:07, -0500 Subject: Criticisms of Jewel coffee and Barbed Wire. - -------FORWARD, Original message follows------- Date: 08/04 at 02:40 AM FROM: Sean Hooks ID: SHOOKS@drew.edu Subject: Criticisms of Jewel Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Hooks [SHOOKS@drew.edu] Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org [owner-jewel@smoe.org] Reply-To: SHOOKS@drew.edu [SHOOKS@drew.edu] Subject: Criticisms of Jewel Date: 04-Aug- 1996 02:22am EST From: Hooks, Sean SHOOKS Dept: STUDENT Tel No: (201)-408- 5581 TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%jewel@smoe. org ) Subject: Criticisms of Jewel Just thought of posting this after I read a couple of past postings. One was about how we shouldn't feel that criticizing Jewel is bad just because we love her. Blind faith in an artist's decisions isn't very intelligent. And "blind faith in your leaders or in anything, will get you killed. 'Cause what I'm talkin' 'bout here is...war." If you can name the artist, year, and source, you're cool. The other post was about her being reviewed in Rolling Stone as having a good voice but bad material. Awesome! Bad press for Jewel is so rare that I have to revel in it. I was the guy who wrote the "Popularity is bad" post, so well, any denouncement of Jewel by the mainstream is kind of a good thing in my twisted mind. Lastly, my real criticisms. As an excellent writer myself who views Jewel's poetry as some of the best I have ever heard, far better than her lyrics, which are damn good too, I find it easy to relate to her from a writer's vantage point. But onething that most writers fall victim to every now and then is reusing the same imagery. Sometimes we overruse things. Here is my short list of Jewel's most over-used imagery words: tongue flesh angel fragile bash addiction leaves love heart soul Feel free to contribute your own. Not that she doesn't use them beautifully, but just that she uses them a lot. Later, Hooks "Come mothers and fathers throughout the land And don't criticize what you can't understand Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly aging" - -Bob Dylan It was just the only song I could think of offhand with the word criticize in it. And by the way, Jewel would do a great cover of that song. Oh, and Pat Benatar is cool, Jewel should cover her too. That's for Selena who sat in front of me at Jewelstock and, now that I'm single and take this as a compliment please-looks damn good for her age, and was cool and friendly and didn't obscure my view of Jewel and likes Pat Benatar and whose husband? requested Nicotine Love, a song that I have requested in the past and she played it once and I was definitely the person who wooed her or was I just screaming it out louder than everybody? and periods are your friend I know but hey I'm a writer and I don't have to adhere to grammar if I don't feel like it. That's all. Later again. MTV sucks, so does Kathy Lee. Go see Trainspotting and A Time to Kill. Jewel dropped from 2 to 3 on VH1 countdown, good, popularity is still bad. Bye, for real this time. -------- Original message header follows -------- From owner-jewel@smoe.org Sat Aug 03 02:40:36 1996 [PIM 3. 2-030.47] Received: from relay1.shore.net (root@relay1.shore.net [192. 233.85.129]) by pimaia3w.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA13160; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 02:36:58 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (majordom@smoe.org [204.167.97. 154]) by relay1.shore.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA21121; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 02:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA14242; Sun, 4 Aug 96 02:36:47 EDT Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 4 Aug 1996 02:36:21 -0400 Received: by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1-hack1) id AA14212; Sun, 4 Aug 96 02:36:17 EDT Received: from DANIEL.DREW.EDU by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4.1- hack1) id AA14206; Sun, 4 Aug 96 02:36:10 EDT Received: from drew.edu by drew.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #15841) id <01I7V1JJC9Y89357LC@drew.edu> for JEWEL@SMOE.ORG; Sun, 04 Aug 1996 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 02:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Hooks Subject: Criticisms of Jewel To: JEWEL@smoe.org Reply-To: SHOOKS@drew.edu Message-Id: <01I7V1JJCCS29357LC@drew.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"JEWEL@SMOE.ORG" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. 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