From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #409 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Thursday, 25 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 409 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing Re: Jewel Trivia Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing Re: Jewel Trivia ADMIN: Apologies for mail loop Encore recollections Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing Re: Jewel's popularity MOM Concert Re: JS on MTV? Hi, Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing harmonic convergence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James McGarry Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Sean Hooks wrote: > careful what you wish for. Jewel will be corrupted by popularity not > helped by it. Please let WWSYS be her last hit radio/video for at least I dunno Sean, I think Jewel's a big girl and knows what she's getting into. I wouldn't wish the negative aspects of rampant success on anyone. I do think Jewel would be a really good role model for a lot of people, much more so than Madonna or Alannis or but the only thing I really wish for Jewel is that she's happy, if that also means popular... Take Care, James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: James McGarry Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Sean Hooks wrote: > careful what you wish for. Jewel will be corrupted by popularity not > helped by it. Please let WWSYS be her last hit radio/video for at least I dunno Sean, I think Jewel's a big girl and knows what she's getting into. I wouldn't wish the negative aspects of rampant success on anyone. I do think Jewel would be a really good role model for a lot of people, much more so than Madonna or Alannis or but the only thing I really wish for Jewel is that she's happy, if that also means popular... Take Care, James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: James McGarry Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Sean Hooks wrote: > careful what you wish for. Jewel will be corrupted by popularity not > helped by it. Please let WWSYS be her last hit radio/video for at least I dunno Sean, I think Jewel's a big girl and knows what she's getting into. I wouldn't wish the negative aspects of rampant success on anyone. I do think Jewel would be a really good role model for a lot of people, much more so than Madonna or Alannis or but the only thing I really wish for Jewel is that she's happy, if that also means popular... Take Care, James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: James McGarry Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Sean Hooks wrote: > careful what you wish for. Jewel will be corrupted by popularity not > helped by it. Please let WWSYS be her last hit radio/video for at least I dunno Sean, I think Jewel's a big girl and knows what she's getting into. I wouldn't wish the negative aspects of rampant success on anyone. I do think Jewel would be a really good role model for a lot of people, much more so than Madonna or Alannis or but the only thing I really wish for Jewel is that she's happy, if that also means popular... Take Care, James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: James McGarry Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Sean Hooks wrote: > careful what you wish for. Jewel will be corrupted by popularity not > helped by it. Please let WWSYS be her last hit radio/video for at least I dunno Sean, I think Jewel's a big girl and knows what she's getting into. I wouldn't wish the negative aspects of rampant success on anyone. I do think Jewel would be a really good role model for a lot of people, much more so than Madonna or Alannis or but the only thing I really wish for Jewel is that she's happy, if that also means popular... Take Care, James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: tom morales Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:57:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Jewel Trivia > BTW: Am I loosing some of the list messages? It would seem so. I > didn't get the original Jewel letter (sent thru Hiranya). Dean, it is a subversive plot perpetrated by a small so. cal. faction. Don't worry I'm looking out for your interests. Don't email me back as it may blow my cover. ------------------------------ From: James McGarry Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Sean Hooks wrote: > careful what you wish for. Jewel will be corrupted by popularity not > helped by it. Please let WWSYS be her last hit radio/video for at least I dunno Sean, I think Jewel's a big girl and knows what she's getting into. I wouldn't wish the negative aspects of rampant success on anyone. I do think Jewel would be a really good role model for a lot of people, much more so than Madonna or Alannis or but the only thing I really wish for Jewel is that she's happy, if that also means popular... Take Care, James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: tom morales Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:57:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Jewel Trivia > BTW: Am I loosing some of the list messages? It would seem so. I > didn't get the original Jewel letter (sent thru Hiranya). Dean, it is a subversive plot perpetrated by a small so. cal. faction. Don't worry I'm looking out for your interests. Don't email me back as it may blow my cover. ------------------------------ From: jeffw (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 16:04:44 EDT Subject: ADMIN: Apologies for mail loop Someone managed to subscribe the list to itself, creating a mail loop. I happened to catch it as soon as it started, so hopefully you didn't get too many messages. - -Jeff ------------------------------ From: Mike Connell Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 16:05:56 -0400 Subject: Encore recollections EDA's, So far it's 9-4 that there were 2 encores Thursday...it amazes me how few of you remember that she came back out AFTER the lights came up....Bill and I both COMMENTED on it...I'm not joking here, this happened..... Mike ------------------------------ From: David Mocko Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 16:11:14 EDT Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing I usually delete 90% of the posts on this mailing list without even really reading them, but this not only caught my eye, but here I am firing off a quick response. I am only including portions of this that I am replying to. It was only posted an hour ago, so you should still have the full text. Sean Hooks wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:08:41 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing > Jewel complained incessently about how Sean Penn couldn't even walk > down the street without being mobbed and how just being with him was > very intimidating and scary for a girl from Alaska. Is that what we > want for her? You should be asking "Is this what she wants?" Jewel should know that going on Letterman/MTV/etc will make her very recognizeable in public, so she has to weigh giving up a little of her personal freedom against being a huge success. It's up to Jewel, if she wants to promote herself on all these outlets, I support that decision 100%. > Do you want to see her at arenas or small clubs and venues? Do you > want another Jewelstock at a place like the Bearsville Theatre? Of course. She can still do concerts like these, thru fan clubs and contests. But only if she wants to. > The next album could be disastruous. Atlantic is gonna promote it a > lot more, and the songs from what I gather, are gonna be much more > upbeat and radio friendly. Not good things. Boy, do one concert for the list members and how quickly they turn. She did the concert to the folks as a thanks to supporting her AND for spreading the word when she was just getting started. > Jewel will be corrupted by popularity not helped by it. Once again, the 'ol "if someone is popular, they aren't as good anymore" argument. The only real effect of this is that it will be harder to get concert tickets (or being further from the stage once she starts playing larger halls). For people as die-hard (and becoming as connected) as us, we can overcome this problem. > Please let WWSYS be her last hit radio/video for at least ten years. Hope her next single hits number one. > Look at Tracy Chapman, she has had the perfect career. Ask Tracy if she feels that way. > TV appearances and soundtracks and movies and videos and surfrider > specials and VH1 duets are not necessary anymore. She's popular > enough, stop promoting yourself Jewel... Arguably, she cares more about promoting the surfrider cause than her own by appearing on MTV. Let me just finish by saying I agree with Sean's sentiments, if not his ideas. Sure, I want to see Jewel tomorrow night at the 9:30 club here in DC again. Heck, I want the E Street Band to play at my wedding. Let's try to stay realistic everyone and not criticize Jewel for her own career, sheesh. I'd rather have her playing stadiums than not playing at all. Also, Uillean wrote: > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:20:19 -0400 > Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing > > Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:08:41 -0400 (EDT) > > Subject: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing > > .......... > > Sorry if that sounded bitter, just hate to lose something that I > > care about. > > Later, Sean Hooks > I'm afraid after my JS experience I have to agree (at least in > theory) with you. > ........... > Indigo Girls ended up putting out a double-live album, a thing usually > reserved for the likes of Slayer, Winger, and Motley Crue. I know for a fact that these bands have never released a double-live album, AND I would love to hear as much live music of my favorite artists (Jewel being one of them) as they feel like releasing. > I would hate to see Jewel move from the realm of ARTIST to the realm > of PERFORMER. We see it already in the screams of "YODEL!" -as if > Jewel is not a person, but a toy or a musical vending machine. And these are supposed to be the people who are "true fans" who can only appreciate her in a "small club". ;) David "I can't believe people already think Jewel is too popular" Mocko - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David Mocko, Building 22, Room C114 mocko@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov Code 913 - Climate and Radiation Branch Voice: (301)-286-8880 NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Fax: (301)-286-1759 Greenbelt MD 20771 http://climate.gsfc.nasa.gov/~mocko/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: David Mocko Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 16:26:05 EDT Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity One more thing: Just because you've listened to Jewel for a year and half now, does NOT make you any more "worthy" or of "a fan" than someone who heard WWSYS on the radio and decided to pick up her album. If you like someone, you like someone, that's all that should matter. David - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- David Mocko, Building 22, Room C114 mocko@climate.gsfc.nasa.gov Code 913 - Climate and Radiation Branch Voice: (301)-286-8880 NASA Goddard Space Flight Center Fax: (301)-286-1759 Greenbelt MD 20771 http://climate.gsfc.nasa.gov/~mocko/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: mmillerick@vms1.cc.uop.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:44:33 PST Subject: MOM Concert Jewel on the MOM concert was outstanding. As usual, my cable got a real nice hi ss when something I want to tape comes on. Luckily, I caught another airing and got a keeper. If anyone wants a copy (in SP) e-mail me. By the way, is it just me, or does anyone else want to shoot their television wh en MTV shamelessly over-promotes the roach movie. More videos, less crap. mm ------------------------------ From: "Uillean" Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:08:11 -500 Subject: Re: JS on MTV? > Sorry, false alarm. It was something else altogether. > Boy, get my hopes up then dash them... thanks ;) - -Jeffrey - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- jeffm@genghis.com http://luna.genghis.com/jeff/index.htm - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: journey@mail.phoenix.net (Mike) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 22:34:41 PDT Subject: Hi, Hi, Well you can biscally say I'm new to the Jewel mailing list thought I was on it a long time ago, and just joined again recently. (About 2 weeks ago) Mostly reading all the posts etc, getting the basic feel I suppose,.. or just trying to get over the shyness and the feeling that i would be interupting.. you all seem so close! :) Anyway, basically just saying 'h'i and I do plan to post more.. Right now I'm basically just looking for some bootlegs etc.. and I'm really jealous of those who went to Jewelstock :P (I didnt know about it til the day before hehe) Anyway, thanks for taking a bit of your time to read this if that is what you did and if you did get down this far I suppose you did, (or you just skimmed through it, I dunno.) Later, - ---Mike. ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:44:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: Jewel's popularity is a bad thing I won't repeat what David Mocko said, I'll just agree with it. Would we make Jewel the bird in a guilded cage? I wouldn't. Each path we take has its pitfalls, it's how we handle them that matters. I'm bettng on Jewel to go where she wants and how she wants. We are just lucky to stand next to her fire for a while. And may it burn a while longer. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu ------------------------------ From: Larry G Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: harmonic convergence I thought it would be a nice thing to say hello to all the everyday angels who are sharing their pieces of Jewel on this list. I discovered this list about a month ago and have followed it ever since. As a computer newbie and first-time poster (well, almost; I'll use Jewel's definition of "first time"), I want to share my first Jewel experience, and tell everyone how much I share their enthusiasm. Well, anyway, it was last October, and I was on my way to a Pretenders concert, in a very good state of mind. I was listening to the radio and talking with my friend, when suddenly WWSYS came on the radio. I was jolted to attention: that voice, that music, that spirit, came straight from heaven. I have been a music fan for longer than most on this list have been alive, and I have lots of personal favorites, but this was a real rare gem! I had to park before I could find out who this could be, but for the next two days, I repeatedly called the radio station -- KSCA (great station, and no, I'm not affiliated) -- before I finally got a call back from the program director telling me who that angel was. Meanwhile, a music fan I work with who knows a bit about my tastes in and enthusiasm for music had told me about 2 months before that that she thought I might like Jewel; she had heard her sing at clubs in San Diego. I actually had bought POY and had it at home, but I had never played it. Needless to say, I played it then; boy, was she ever right (she gets her wings for that one!). I've heard Jewel live 3x since then, and I'm as hooked as all of you angels! I predicted her success as soon as I heard her. I think that Sean Penn was not exaggerating when he called her the next Dylan; I know I haven't felt this way about an artist since I was one of his first early fans. Although I couldn't go to JewelStock (sniff, sniff), I think it is so great that it happened, and I love reading the posts about it and hoping that the next such event is on THIS coast (my vote). Thanks to all of you for sharing your love of this angel! (BTW, I wouldn't mind hearing other stories about how listers discovered Jewel.) Larry G ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #409 ***************************