From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #274 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Thursday, 13 June 1996 Volume 01 : Number 274 Today's Subjects: ----------------- sayings... (Jewel) this current thread is cool Musicians? jewel "stock" RE: music-drug relationship smoking pot [none] me tapes of Irving Plaza and/or Tradewinds? I'm back (for a while) Jewel Trees (was Re: somethings I forgot...) Unsubscribe comparison of the java joe's shows RE: music-drug relationship Drinkin' an' druggin' JewelFest "Welcome me to the city of angels..." --Indigo Girls We are the music makers.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: derrick.karacostas@utmb.edu Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:38:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: sayings... Paul Kim wrote: Where in tarnation did the saying "nuff said" come from? ************************************************************** Paul, Where did the saying "Where in tarnation" come from? hmmm.... ------------------------------ From: Piglet Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:37:47 +0600 Subject: (Jewel) this current thread is cool well now that I have sobered up (sic) and see that this new thread is providing me with greater insite into out ML, used to think that it was mainly made up of a younger, pre-college, crowd. Let's see...I'm a 21 year old biology major at Virginia Tech, I want to teach high-school (the best years of my life...so far), single and looking, used to have long-haired too young to be a hippy guy, who likes a wide variety of music from new country to rave, mainly though folky female musicians like our Jewel, Aimee Mann, Poe, k.d.lang, ME, and newer young bands like 22 Brides, Garabage, and yet to be signed Tiney Lights (the best raw live show I've ever seen). I love watching movies, classics and suspense (favs Alien, White Christmas [gotta love the dance scenes], Godzilla flics [hence the 12" Godzilla]), and books (there is a writer in me I just know it!!). Also have a growing interest in anime, esp. the gothic and yes I have a huge comic book collection that I just recently stopped (was up to and past $50 a month). I really like the fact that several, come on everyone now (even you lurkers out there), people have opened up and told more about themselves than just, even though that is important, their thoughts on Jewel stuff just sitting here enjoying a good song, Robb (Sailor Jove) [w/ guests 12' Godzilla and Fuzzy the purple bear] And I'll return...remembering tonight - Patti Rothberg Save the Sailor Moon show! Save Our Sailors @ http://looney.physics.sunysb.edu/~daffy/sos/ ------------------------------ From: dkasai@sdcc13.ucsd.edu Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Musicians? Hi everyone. My name is Darren and I'm a 19 year old student at UCSD which is the University of California, San Diego for those of you who don't know what UCSD stands for. I remember hearing of Jewel back in early 1995 and I didn't pay much attention to her until my friend said she keeps on getting free tickets to her performances cause she is on a first name basis with her. (My friend ran away to Michigan to be w/ her bf so I won't be able to tag along with her.) Anyway, I've been playing the piano for around 8 years and I also have been playing the clarinet for about the same amount of time. I know how to play the flute and the saxaphone but I play quite poorly. I just bought a guitar yesterday and I'm banging out a few chords. I can't wait for Jewel to release a music book!!! Does anyone know when one will be published??? Darren dkasai@ucsd.edu ------------------------------ From: derrick.karacostas@utmb.edu Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:16:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: jewel "stock" Something else that happened to Jewel "stock": | | / | _/ $ | _/ per | / share | __/ | / | _____/ | __/ | / |/ ---------------------------- 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 Jewel stock ***************************************************** I like this!!! ------------------------------ From: Sergio Magnacca Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:36:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: RE: music-drug relationship ah....drugs... i'm going to take a different position on this one... if you've ever listened to music while high you will surely concede that it is easier to "hear" music when high... when one is high on marijuana, for example, she/he can focus on the bass or guitars or little melody in a much easier and clearer manner.. music, for me, and some people i know, can be rather uplifting when stoned.. another point: a lot of the music people enjoy so much was composed under the influence if you will.. the beatles without drugs (around revolver, sgt peppers etc) are impossible to conceive of...to think the doors music or the velvet underground would have been the same without drugs is rubbish.. this is not meant to say that the traditional argument that drugs open your mind is 100% correct but i do think that there is a little of that going on.. you say that kurt's drug use did not allow him to see how much people dug his music etc.... a counterargument could be: yes, but you must also understand that a lot of the music kurt wrote was written high.... he was a major junkie... listen to a bob dylan album like blonde on blonde high and you'll see what it is to "hear"...you can so much more easily focus on the lyrics and understand what he is saying... i have only used marijuana in my life...but i think that to buy into the society line that every effect of drugs is bad. is rather silly.... and that is my opinion. smm ------------------------------ From: j.mullins1@genie.com Date: Thu, 13 Jun 96 22:34:00 UTC 0000 Subject: smoking pot pjk@cybercom.net (Philip J. Kelnhofer) wrote: > Unlike you it does bother me when people smoke (weed) or even drink. I > think that the main reason is people drink and do drugs to escape > reality on some level. Even if it is just to let them relax a little. Yes, but EVERYONE has to escape reality at some point for a while, with or without the use of drugs (including you!). It's human nature. I smoke and I have written songs and functioned as I normally do while high. Pot is not (at least for me) an escape. I make it a point to avoid people who can't handle reality, and almost all my friends who can handle it and face it every day, smoke. Not every day, just whenever. > The main reason I don't drink or do drugs is that I like to pride myself > on thinking clearly and looking at things logically and I don't want > anything to effect that. But concepts like "clear" and "logical" are really all relative if you think about it. If I played you a song I wrote while high, and another I wrote completely straight & sober, you would not be able to tell the difference, for example. I have discovered some great insights about various things in both states. > Just my opinions. pjk And these are just mine, I'm not flaming you or anything. Food for discussion. Then Mikey said: > I think that Jewel has no need to smoke pot because she has the life > she wants. I mean, most people I know that got hooked on that stuff > felt desperation in changing their lives. They felt hopeless, and then > out of the blue, they make a new friend who convinces them that there > is no way to fight, so they might as well give up and wipe out > their brain cells. Hooked? Sorry but pot is a hallucenogen. It is NOT physically addictive. Fact. Now, mentally, it can be addictive, I suppose, if you are weak enough. But then if you are going to rely on other people to tell you how to feel about life, then that's a pretty lost cause in the first place, pot or not. Brain cells. Look at musicians who have been openly smoking pot for 25 years or so. Tom Petty, Neil Young, etc. These guys are still the sharpest people I have ever heard speak during an interview, and their creativity is still going strong...you kill more brain cells staying awake all night doing nothing than you do smoking pot. The media is powerful. Stop paying too much attetion to TV. > Jewel has no need for a synthetic reality. She knew that even if she > had to say, sleep in a van for awhile, that was better than giving up. > She struggled in order to live her dreams instead of frying her brain > to the point where she was so stupid she only thought she was living > them. (that's how I feel at least!) You forget that Jewel was discovered relatively quickly. I should be so lucky to "struggle" like she did as I begin to launch my career in music. I bet if she had to live in her van for, say, 10 years, then she would probably wind up a drunk or a junkie or something (not a pretty thought, but let's face it, she IS only human, and 10 years of going nowhere is hard to take. It's killed some pretty strong people). And how do you know she never smoked pot? And also, do you realize HOW MUCH you have to smoke to fry your brain? Nobody living in a van could afford it, that's for sure. I also don't know anybody who got into harder drugs from smoking pot, so please don't start about "Pot leads to coke and smack, etc". It depends on the person. Someone who is going to shoot up is going to do it wether they smoked grass before or not. It's all a concious decision on the individual's part. I'm not telling everyone to go out and smoke pot...that's your choice. But don't downplay it like everyone who smokes pot has no self- esteem or sense of reality. That isn't true, and when I see comments like that, it sounds like inexperience talking. Like I said earlier, I'm not trying to flame, just offering up my 2 cents, based on my experiences. > Mikey (comments always welcome) Shakey (j.mullins1@genie.geis.com) "People ask why I'm chasing a comet's tail I tell them because standing still is like being in jail" ------------------------------ From: jlthomp@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU (Joseph Thompson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:57:25 +0000 Subject: [none] Hi, Angels. This is my first post to the list. My name is Joe Thompson. I'm 28 and work at IUPUI (for those in the INDY area: Greg Dunn, Toni). I don't want to call myself a lurker; I simply choose to remain in the background and diligently read all the emails posted. But why do I choose to emerge now? No, it's not to guarantee my place at Jewelstock (which I must say blew me away when I read the post; I do plan on attending). I simply began to recognize many of the individuals on the list and expect to hear from them as you would a friend. I've been on the list since April 15, 1996, and, except the time I deleted 700+ emails [many subjects concerned politics] (I had a family emergency and was gone for two weeks), I have read all messages. As I read through the influx over the past week, I sense a friendship growing among the group. Dan Stark from Canada referred in one message to people "who don't even personally know each other". True, we don't personally know each other, but we do know alot. And then, with Rafa's inquiry (have fun in France, Rafa), our list members began to come forth and tell a little about themselves. Ken, who has been instrumental in designing our current tape tree, has other committments as best man (if I recall correctly). We learned more about Sabra Richardson Beddes (yes some of us read the full name) when she expressed concern about inappropriate language. And like Carter "who always has a cool quote" Navarro and Paul "with equally cool quotes" Kim, we beomce more personal as we reveal more and more about ourselves, our likes and dislikes. I think we are beginning to know each other personally and hope that this interaction remains as dynamic. I just wanted to thank you all for helping through a day at work or just being there as a diversion to some of the personal tragedies I have had in my life recently. Thanks for the t-shirt organization; I look forward to wearing mine proudly, whatever the design or style. Thanks for the Jewelstock organization; I can't wait to meet the list family in New York. And thanks to Jewel, for bringing so many diverse people together. Our views are understandably different, but we all share one thing in common: our love and devotion to you. Let's not forget why we are here. Thank you, Jewel. Sorry for the long email; there have been so many lately (I knew an apology was forthcoming). Just my way of saying thanks to all whose efforts are not going unnoticed. Now, like a hermit crab that is startled by a passerby, I retreat to the comfort of my shell. Hope to meet you guys soon. Peace Joe jlthomp@indyvax.iupui.edu ps.: Someday, I hope to be brave enough to ask for copies of everything. I have Pieces of You, the soundtracks from I Shot Andy Warhol and The Craft, and Jewel as Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz (VHS and CD). If someone wishes to help me obtain copies of Innerchange Days, Save the Linoleum, Phyllis Baranbee Buys a Bra, Radio Angels, etc., I would be eternally grateful. ------------------------------ From: rwm126@psu.edu (Rich Melko) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:04:25 -0400 Subject: me I am a 20, almost 21, year old student of Civil Engineering at Penn State. Next year, when I graduate, I plan to move out west because it seems like a really cool place to live. I have no musical talents but I hope to learn to play the guitar someday. I usually pick things up very quickly and I have good coordination so I am confident that I could learn fairly quickly. I didn't listen to music at all until about two years ago. Bought my first cd in August of 94. I listen to a limited number of things, mostly because time and money limits me to what I know I will like. That being REM, U2, 10,000 Maniacs, Tori, Jewel and a few others. I like to spend most of my time outdoors. I love hiking, camping and I am a great skiier. In fact that is how I would describe myself, as a skiier. I play all sports though. I fear the abundance of time I have been devoting lately to my computer. I have short brown hair. I don't drink or smoke. I am proud to say that but don't like to. I am very very shy and I wonder if a good beer could loosen me up. I have really weird dreams and most of my friends think that I am a freak. I reluctantly see reality clearly but I wonder if the reality I see is merely a dream and I am in fact living a really bad life in reality but can only see this good one in my head that I think is reality. If I can go, I look forward to meeting some of you at JewelStock to compare the faces I see with the images I have created from your posts. I would really like to get a copy of Rare Angels. I know that tree ran it's course awhile ago but I wasn't here then. I have a boot to trade or I can do the send your tape in thing. Thanks for listening, Rich Melko rwm126@psu.edu ################################# Jerry - You're Crazy. Kramer - Am I? Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind. ################################# ------------------------------ From: "TOM O'BRIEN" <51299S96@student.csi.cuny.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:20:13 Subject: tapes of Irving Plaza and/or Tradewinds? Does any have any copies of the Irving Plaza and/or Tradewinds show, I would like to get a copy if possible. E-mail me with info, Thanks, Tom ------------------------------ From: "TOM O'BRIEN" <51299S96@student.csi.cuny.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:24:23 Subject: I'm back (for a while) I hope nobody missed me too much. I have managed to get some net access for the summer at least. I just wanted to tell everyone (esp. those in Toronto) how much I actuallly felt lost without this list. Well, it's good to be back. And a special hello to Dave, Steve, Dan and every else. Hope to hear from you soon. Tom (yes...THE Tom) :-) ------------------------------ From: rjk1@cs.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:39:55 -0500 Subject: Jewel Trees (was Re: somethings I forgot...) PAUL KYUSAM KIM writes: > > What tape trees are being planned after the Seattle tree is finished? I > think that the 5/18 Boston show would be excellent to tree, especially > since some people have copies from the WBCN original and the sound is > excellent (I don't think you could do any better unless you recorded in > the studios). Anyone up for it? There has been talk of nearly half a dozen trees, not counting the eventual (knock wood) JewelStock tape. The WBCN show is one of them. We need to come up with a way to better organize these such that it doesn't take a month from start to end. Hopefully everybody in the Seattle 5/03/95 tree has contacted their branch (but as a branch I know this isn't the case...) or will VERY shortly (hint hint). Running two (or more) trees at the same time doesn't seem to be a very good option, unless there are 30-40 (or more) willing and capable dubbers, since, acting as a dubber for two trees on the same list at the same time, with 2 different lists of leaves can be a headache. A bit better, though still not perfect, would be multiple tapes per tree. It's slower than a single-tape tree since the branches need to do more recording before tapes go out, but still quicker and much cheaper (postage- wise) than 2 single-tape trees (since even the slowest branch is quicker than a round-trip through the post office). Further, there should be some way for anyone so inclined to volunteer a seed to do so, without the possibly overwhelming responsibility of starting a tree from scratch. Whether that person wants to act as the trunk, copying for branches, or just donate the seed to someone who will get things rolling. Still kicking ideas around, bob ------------------------------ From: ANGEL GALINANES <75271.2740@CompuServe.COM> Date: 13 Jun 96 18:04:04 EDT Subject: Unsubscribe Fellow angels: I will miss you guys for the next two weeks. I liked that yesterday and today people have been posting about themselves. My name is Rafa , not Angel , but that's ok. Well I've probably said this 2million times already, but here it goes again :i'm 17 , play guitar (3 years ), have a band ( Farce Ostrich), mostly punk rock - i like all types of music , but because I don't have that much musical talent I chose to play punk for it's fairly simple ( majority of time just use power chords ). I practice about 3 or 4 hours a days and rehearse with my band 3 imes a week. I play around in small bars which may pay us $25 bucks each , or it may not pay us at all. My next girlfriend is gonna be similar to Jewel , and hopefully she would have a very good voice to remind me of Jewel and could sing me a couple of songs before I go to sleep. see ya in a couple of weeks , your friend : Rafa - I'm stranded , maladjusted ...elected the rejected , I perfected the science of the idiot- Billie Joe Armstrong ------------------------------ From: Jordan Snodgrass/Flood Myth Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:19:36 -0700 Subject: comparison of the java joe's shows I attended both shows, and I'd like to discuss the differences in the performances (musically and personality wise, apart from the fire hazard deal on the 10th). This post is mostly targeted at those who rashly ditched the 06/10 show because of the break up.. Jewel seemed to be more happy-go-lucky the first show, cracking more jokes and telling more stories between each song than she did in the second show. Both shows opened up with her proclaiming "San Diego is the best place in the world," but she played 3 or 4 songs before landing back with the crowd durring the second show. In comparison, she interacted with the crowd seemingly after every song durring the first show. She seemed more happy the first show. Durring the first show, she often began to play a song then stopped to tell a story. (For example, after singing the first line of "I'm sensitive," which is "I was thinking" she stopped dead in her tracks and stated, "I was thinking.." and proceded to tell a story. After the story the song continued...she did this on a couple of songs. Her spontenaety was great. It was as if she was free and enjoying every minute of it. I noticed an imediate difference in the second show when she made her way through the 300 bodies to the stage with head down, no expression on her face. The first night it was all smiles. Even after the shows was different. After the first show she signed autographs and had conversations with fans, while after the second show she just signed autographs apathetically (which is understandable given the circumstances). When I tried to start a conversation with her after the second show she was like, "I'm tired and want to go home." This again is understandable. The reason I'm writing this post is to show those who have only experienced an artist once that they should not pass judgements based on one experience. Do people validly dismiss Picaso as a good or bad artist simply by looking at one painting? No. One needs to see a good portion of the artist's work before they can validly form an opinion on it. Many who were at the broken up 06/10 show were pissed and acted like assholes to the fact that the show was broken up...they were shouting and stormed out. I just hope this experience did not tarnish their vision of Jewel, because they missed the most special performance one could experience as seen in Jewel's unselfish movement to the parking lot to continue the set. This again shows that one should not act rashly, for that action is often unjustified. If only people would follow the words of Dave the great: "We'll make the best of what's around." Jewel must have learned a few things from Dave the great, for what she did at the 06/10 show followed his exact quote.. Oh, one last thing, may the force be with you. - -- js. mailto:jsnod@owl.csusm.edu http://www.csusm.edu/public/guests/fm/ "This love is like barbed wire running through my veins..." ------------------------------ From: volt@best.com Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:50:06 -0700 Subject: RE: music-drug relationship At 09:36 PM 6/13/96 +0000, Sergio Magnacca wrote: > >if you've ever listened to music while high you will surely concede that it >is easier to "hear" music when high... > >when one is high on marijuana, for example, she/he can focus on the >bass or guitars or little melody in a much easier and clearer manner.. > >music, for me, and some people i know, can be rather uplifting when stoned.. > >i have only used marijuana in my life...but i think that to buy into the society >line that every effect of drugs is bad. is rather silly.... > >and that is my opinion. > I find myself 100% in agreement. My favorite thing to do when I'm stoned (okay, well, second favorite thing) is to listen to music. I'm not saying EVERYBODY GO OUT AND GET STONED, but I don't agree with condemning or judging people who do get something out of it. The biggest no-no about it is that it is illegal, not that it is addictive or even necessarily as bad for you as everyone would have you believe. I believe in every person's right to choose for himself without fear of chastisement from those who do not understand. Now, excessive use of anything is another story... Take care, Angels volt ------------------------------ From: CornflkGl@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:09:22 -0400 Subject: Drinkin' an' druggin' I thought I had to jump in and let everybody know my views on drungs & alcohol, seein' as you were all dyin' to hear. Yeah, uh huh. Anyway... I don't drink. 3 main reasons : 1) I'm not old enough (like that stops anybody) 2) My parents never do (well, except for, like , 1 fuzzy navel a year) 3) the taste of beer makes me physically ill. I don't smoke pot, or do any drugs, because : 1) They're illegal 2) they tend to mess up people's lives (hey, I watch talk shows, I know these things !) 3) To me, pot is the second most foul smelling substance in the world ( the first being patchouli) I would love to get on here and rant and rave about why people should not be drinking or drugging. Fact is, though, it wouldn't do any good, and it doesn't really matter. As long as there aren't any drunk stoners standing next to me at Jewelstock, I'll be just fine. :) Have a nice day !!! Rachel CornflkGl@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Bryce Wood Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:15:17 -0700 Subject: JewelFest All angels who know what's going on I beleive many of us are in dark about JEWelStock (i know i am)and I would appreciate it very much if some one could tell me and the others about what is going on with jewelstock Please help me and other THANKY YOU VERY MUCH Bryce **************************************************************** "I'm Already Dead" WZ "There's no sex in your violence" Gavin Rossdale "I fear that I am ordinary just like everyone" Billy Corgan "They don't gotta burn the books, they just remove 'em" Zach de la Rocha "Who Will Save Your Soul" Jewel Kilcher "It's easier not to be great" Ed Kowalkawiz "No I don't have a gun" Kurt Cobain *************************************************************************** zzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzz zombie2@ix.netcom.com =) Zombie69 and Zero on irc ------------------------------ From: cheller@linknet.net Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:36:20 +0000 Subject: "Welcome me to the city of angels..." --Indigo Girls Welp, here it is. My very first post on the Jewel mailing list after sitting back and lurking for quite some time. (Wellll, maybe it's only been a month or so.) Anyway, I just wanted to find out if there's anyone from the New Orleans area who's planning on trekking out to Jewelstock and if so, if ya wanted to trek together. Heck, I'm so desperate for a travel partner....I'd go for someone in a surrounding state even. I'm probably going to take the bus. Woo hoo! 48 hours or so on a Greyhound...I must be nuts. As for the age/musician/etc thing, I'm 19-year-old female English major (when I'm actually in school...heh heh) with curly red hair (who brought hair into this anyway?) and I've played piano for about 13 years and guitar for about three. The Jewel guitar tabs are great, but I'd love to see someone transcribe an arrangement for the piano in "Foolish Games." :) - --Rachelle "You can be Henry Miller and I'll be Anais Nin." --Jewel (one of my favorite lines from a song ever) ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: We are the music makers.... Since I've already inflicted my music on several unsuspecting list-folk, I'll confess that I fancy myself a bit of a musician. I've been playing guitar for about 8 years. I do a little bass, little drums, little keys, little of everything. Whatever I need to get the sounds out of my head!! I've done some recording for myself, and I have a very small personal studio, in which I try to spend as much time as I can. I play at least an hour a day, just cause I'm compelled. I wish I could spend more, but I haven't quit my job yet. (So much for Jewel's inspiration :) And as far as personal info...25, graduated from UCSD, BA Lit. (now there's a useful skin ;) Leave it at that. Although.... One final note: "Don't you get down if you're not so lovely. It's 1996 time to get ugly!" :P, Tom email: provent@pls.lib.ca.us "You have a fire down in genius, subtlety And you slip through the fingers of ambiguity." "You can always detect the breaking of a voice Or you can always defect and walk away from the choice." ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #274 ***************************