From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #218 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Thursday, 23 May 1996 Volume 01 : Number 218 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Tori unplugged Re: New York Times review Peace, Love and Rainbow belts Re: May 21 setlist and comments Jessica Today's your birthday, friend... (fwd) Re: Popularity Re: Boston review (long) Re: Boston review (long) RE: tori unplugged... Wanting Live Stuff! Birthday inquiry and the Penn guy Change A POEM BY THE POEM GIRL, A BLUE GREEN SORT OF POEM!! Re: Change Re: Change Happy B-day! Re: Rolling Stone HAPPY 22ND BIRTHDAY! Re: Change Re: Rolling Stone ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jason Kolashinski Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Tori unplugged On Wed, 22 May 1996, Piglet wrote: > this was talked about awhile ago, but does anyone know when the Tori > unplugged will air? > > Robb [w/ guest commetators 12' Godzilla and Fuzzy the purple bear] > > Everyone has there day, and this ones mine - Patti Rothberg > > It's June 25. Jason - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Hear my name, take a good look, jasonk@u.washington.edu this could be the day" ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: New York Times review I agrree that it's very hard to classify Jewel. Professional weasels love to peg someone as a certain thing. And then they rarely let them out of the initial classification. Just like typecasting in the movies. Do you think we'll ever see Jim Carrey in a dramatic role (which he did very well in Doing Time on Maple Drive, and a couple smaller roles)? I love the fact that Jewel can do so many different styles; it's one of the things that I keep coming back to. Normally I tire of artists after a cer\tain amount of time. They seem to repeat themselves. They do it well, but it's just not new anymore (not to piss anyone of but Troi kinda seems that way to me, for example.) Jewel constantly puts out something different. Listen to PoY and Adrian and then compare it to Carnivore, or even A Very Big Girl. Such a wide range of talent. Evolution is very important in lasting, but weasels need a single identifier for the rest of her career. Will she be the yodeller? Will she be the girl from Alaska (now how many times have you heard that bit? ad nauseum) Onereason the beatles and dylan are so extraordinary is that they continued to mature in their music. They changed. Most people seem to find comfort in routine and the known (generalization), and therefore expect the same noise (why is Mariah Carey so big, or all those four part harmony groups (boys II men, all 4 one, etc..)?) This is rambilng but you get the point. [scat-singing to end] Tom email: provent@pls.lib.ca.us jewel/kristin\tanya/lush\happy/catherine\tori stereolab\milla/pwei\shawn/adrianborland/mary massiveattack/bob\heather/juliana\dandys/orb\drunkenboat/thesound "Stories of rags to riches leave me in stitches and with a thread that's hard to follow" -Trash Can Sinatras ------------------------------ From: volcano@sirius.com Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 10:31:34 -0700 Subject: Peace, Love and Rainbow belts Hey Angels, I also wanted to say that just because a person sports "Rainbow" attire does not mean that they are gay or lesbian. In my experience of seeing and hearing Jewel she seems very gay friendly but I would not guess her to actually be a lesbian. But who's to say? (Certainly not me!) It would not effect me one way or another; I think she is the best. I also wanted to note that in a surprise appearance on David Letterman a couple of months back, Eddie Vedder (lead singer and GOD (hehehe) of Pearl Jam) was sporting a pin with an upsidedown triangle, which is also a symbol of the gay and lesbian community, almost as well known as the Rainbow flag colors. My point with this is that the symbol was unmistakingly a specific gay pride thing, though Eddie Vedder is heterosexual. I think it is way cool when hetero celebs show their support of the gay community and do so without feeling threatened that their own sexuality will be mistaken or exploited all over the place. Maybe Jewel was simply showing her support. Or heck, as many have mentioned, maybe she was just stylin'. ;) Anyways, I wanted to also brag (hehehe) that my birthday is a day after Jewel's and that I will be 22. So hey to all you cool Gemini's out there. Happy birthday! Peace, love and Rainbow belts, ;) Candra ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 22:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: May 21 setlist and comments On Wed, 22 May 1996, Sean Hooks wrote: > Watch Sassy Wake-Up:New song, pretty good too. I think this is See Sassy? Side 2 track 1 of Innerchangels. [scat-singing to end] Tom email: provent@pls.lib.ca.us jewel/kristin\tanya/lush\happy/catherine\tori stereolab\milla/pwei\shawn/adrianborland/mary massiveattack/bob\heather/juliana\dandys/orb\drunkenboat/thesound "Stories of rags to riches leave me in stitches and with a thread that's hard to follow" -Trash Can Sinatras ------------------------------ From: "James H. Judd" Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 01:13:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Jessica Heh, >we'll get over it. Hey, she NEVER plays Jessica anymore, but I bet James >will still go to see her show ;) Boy, James, are you a _Man On A Mission_ >or what? If she hasn't re-learned Jessica by now... > >Aaron I'm not "The" James(no resentment here- James is a wonderful asset to this list and been a Jfan much longer than me), but i do love Jessica too. Heck, if y'all can wait a couple weeks til school is out, i should be able to set up a web page with the petition and have it where you can "sign" it online using forms. I so love Jessica. It doesn't hurt that i met a friend of a friend who's cutie of that name either. Maybe she'll go out with me if i tell her that she will be able to star in the video- i can see it now.... ;) Oh, and just to annoy you: I enjoy putting doubt in people's minds about my sexual preference- i like to see their reaction. It always makes me laugh inside to see some people who are supposed to be the most "accepting" in our society with their non-mainstream lifestyles freeze up after i challenge their assumption as to my sexual preference- anyway, it's fun, you should try playacting some different roles, dressing differently, etc sometimes just to see people's reactions. It might surprise you how differently you will be treated, at least in Alabama. (I'm normally a prep-meister, BTW) ObJewel(Steve, do you read alt.hackers too?): Did you know that Alabama is the only state before Alaska when you arrange them in alphabetic order? :) James _________________________________________________________________________ Auburn University Eng. Network Services Web/Lab Guy Computer Science Grad Student http://www.eng.auburn.edu/~juddjam ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 04:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... (fwd) Had to get this from ecto...sorry for the repeat crossreaders. I just think this is very cool. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Jewel Kilcher (JewelJK@aol.com) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [scat-singing to end] Tom email: provent@pls.lib.ca.us jewel/kristin\tanya/lush\happy/catherine\tori stereolab\milla/pwei\shawn/adrianborland/mary massiveattack/bob\heather/juliana\dandys/orb\drunkenboat/thesound "Stories of rags to riches leave me in stitches and with a thread that's hard to follow" -Trash Can Sinatras ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Thu, 23 May 96 07:58:17 EST Subject: Re: Popularity On Wed, 22 May 1996 17:00:44 -0700 you said: >I've been through all of the hardships that come with having a favorite >artist get famous. My favorite band was the Goo Goo Dolls. I was into >them for 10 years before they got huge. I still love their music, but >it's not as personal as it used to be. I used to hang out with the band >for hours after the shows and talk. It was a lot of fun. Now, it's >difficult to talk to them because they have lots of people trying to >talk to them. It's rough to lose a band or performer that personal to >you. I hope it'll be different with Jewel. I don't know if anyone e;lse >on the list has been through this before, but it's not fun. > -Eric If you hung out with them after the shows for 10 years, you should be pretty good friends with them. They should also know that you are a true fan and should be treated with the respect you give them. If they don't have time for you now, perhaps they aren't really worthy of your friendship. Just a thought! Dean ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Thu, 23 May 96 08:07:34 EST Subject: Re: Boston review (long) On Wed, 22 May 1996 22:40:43, -0500 you said: >Here is the Boston Herald's review of Jewel's concert at the Paradise >on May 18th. >Copyright Boston Herald > > Angeles, and soon signed with Atlantic records. She was 19. > Within months she was appearing on Leno and Letterman, and, most >bizarrely, >she and Sean Penn had apparently become an item. > OK! I've seen this Sean Penn thing both ways. Some people saying that they "were an item" and some saying that they were never anything more than friends. Anyone out there have the truth? Hiranya? Dean ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 07:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Boston review (long) Dean asks: > OK! I've seen this Sean Penn thing both ways. Some people saying that they > "were an item" and some saying that they were never anything more than > friends. Anyone out there have the truth? Hiranya? C'mon you guys. If Jewel wanted her private life to be public knowledge she'd announce all these things. Let's let Jewel keep her private life private, ok? - --Neile ------------------------------ From: Jason Watts Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 11:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: RE: tori unplugged... hello, i believe that tori's unplugged show is supposed to air on June 25. but that is not completely official. if anyone here is interested in tori, check out: http://www.clemson.edu/~watts/tori.html the latest news about her is posted there also, along with interviews, all lyrics, and a whole bunch more. later, Jason - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jason Watts < watts@hubcap.clemson.edu > Department of Computer Science, Clemson University, Clemson SC check it, i've been wwwebbed --> http://www.clemson.edu/~watts God's Final Message to His Creation: "w e a p o l o g i z e for the i n c o n v e n i e n c e" -- T.H.G.T.T.G.:S.L.A.T.F.A.T.F. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Moppage@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 06:59:46 -0400 Subject: Wanting Live Stuff! I have been overtaken by Jewel and her incredible voice! I have listen to her album many times and am wanting more. I have been 2 two of her shows and they were so very good. I now want some live tapes of her so send me your list of Jewel tapes and hopefully we can figure out a trade or something. Your list gets mine or check out my homepage at http://users.aol.com/moppage/index.html Thanks to anyone who can help me out. Dave ------------------------------ From: Sean Hooks Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Birthday inquiry and the Penn guy Date: 23-May-1996 01:56pm EST From: Hooks, Sean SHOOKS Dept: STUDENT Tel No: (201)-408-5581 TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%jewel@smoe.org ) Subject: Birthday inquiry and the Penn guy First, did Jewel just turn 21 or 22, I thought it was 21 but apparently I'm wrong, but I vividly remember seeing her last summer on something, I think it was either Conan or VH1 or something saying she just turned twenty. Secondly, does anyone else think that it was a little more than just coincidental that in My Own Private God's Gift to Women where she stopped to randomly do choruses from eighties songs, that she did Like A Virgin(by Madonna, Sean Penn's most infamous girlfriend and wife) right into the line about "You'll prob'ly think this song is about you"? Or am I reading too deeply? Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ From: Sean Hooks Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Change Date: 23-May-1996 01:49pm EST From: Hooks, Sean SHOOKS Dept: STUDENT Tel No: (201)-408-5581 TO: Remote INTERNET Address ( _IN%jewel@smoe.org ) Subject: Change Someone recently posted an article saying that the reason Jewel is so great is her variety and change. He said that PoY is so different from say Carnivore. I agree with this and that change has greatly helped artists like the Beatles and Dylan, but drastic change can have a decidedly negative affect on music too. Look at groups like U2 and REM whose new albums pale in comparison to their old ones and their live efforts have suffered as well as in their attempt for alternativism and change they are refusing to play older songs from their repetoire. Now I'm not saying I wanna hear Who Will Save Your Soul at every Jewel concert I go too, but three albums down the road I still wanna hear Daddy and Amen and RaceCar Driver and Sometimes it be That Way. Well, thought that it just had to be said. Change is good, growth is better. Change for the sake of change can ruin. Later, Sean Hooks ------------------------------ From: patty Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 15:03:54 -0400 Subject: A POEM BY THE POEM GIRL, A BLUE GREEN SORT OF POEM!! His Stare by Tali Glikman His intense gaze upon my soul Can change the rhythm of the tide The moon enters me and forewarns That his gaze will go deep inside How am I supposed to know if he stares At me and my face and my spirit? How am I supposed to know he if he knows That I need his gaze upon me? His stare is burning a hole through my heart His stare is making me fall apart His stare maybe the only way I'll ever find love. He lives in a world that seems dark and sheltered He stares so I know he loves me But do I really know? Do I ever know, if all he does is stare!!! His stare is making my cry inside His star is breaking me down I've begged the moon and the tide To stop this fooling around. I need to know if he loves me, I need to know if the stare Is what I've convinced my self it is, 'Cause I'm falling in love and I'm scared... by Tali Glikman COMMENTS WELCOME!! ------------------------------ From: "Jack Steinmann" Date: 23 May 1996 14:31:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Change Mail*Link(r) SMTP RE>Change Sean Hooks wrote: >Someone recently posted an article saying that the reason Jewel is so >great is her variety and change. He said that PoY is so different from say >Carnivore. I agree with this and that change has greatly helped artists >like the Beatles and Dylan, but drastic change can have a decidedly >negative affect on music too. Look at groups like U2 and REM whose new >albums pale in comparison to their old ones and their live efforts have >suffered as well as in their attempt for alternativism and change they are >refusing to play older songs from their repetoire. Now I'm not saying I >wanna hear Who Will Save Your Soul at every Jewel concert I go too, but >three albums down the road I still wanna hear Daddy and Amen and RaceCar >Driver and Sometimes it be That Way. Well, thought that it just had to be >said. Change is good, growth is better. Change for the sake of change can >ruin. Sean- I have to point out that the historical record is pretty clear: those musicians or bands who continue to grow and change tend to have the most interesting, most durable and (often) longest careers. Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Neil Young, Elvis Costello, REM, U2 continue to reinvent themselves year after year, and the results speak for themselves. Note also that those who hang around a long time but cease to innovate (e.g., Chuck Berry, Little Richard, the Beach Boys, the Ramones, the Cure, even the Rolling Stones) become touring parodies of themselves. The worst thing Ms. Kilcher could do to her career is to repeat herself. (Incidentally, I will venture, and most will agree, that the last three albums from REM and U2 are the best of their respective careers, and that they certainly don't "pale in comparison" to earlier efforts...) Jack Steinmann ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Change That would have been me, and I agree that change for the sake of change is often wrong, but evolution is natural. And Inevitable. I still hope to hear PoY (and earlier) stuff in the future, but hopefully different arrangements of it. Eric Clapton's rework of Layla was absolutely brilliant, and it resulted from an evolution. And I like some new U2, and some new REM. I think they've changed in one direction whereas you may have changed into another. That is the ebb and flow of relationships. I didn't mean forced change only the natural evolution...I know I don't write the same way I did one year ago, let alone several. It's not a conscious thing, although sometimes a conscious change can be beneficial as well. Forcing yourself to look at things a new way, and to examine old things from that new perspective. I think Jewel does this well in many songs...taking on the personna of people she is not. (RCD,Daddy..to use your examples). If I try to write from a place I am not, my perspective may be wrong but Imay gain a deeper understanding of what the other feels like. > Someone recently posted an article saying that the reason Jewel is so > great is her variety and change. He said that PoY is so different from say > Carnivore. I agree with this and that change has greatly helped artists > like the Beatles and Dylan, but drastic change can have a decidedly > negative affect on music too. Look at groups like U2 and REM whose new > albums pale in comparison to their old ones and their live efforts have > suffered as well as in their attempt for alternativism and change they are > refusing to play older songs from their repetoire. Now I'm not saying I > wanna hear Who Will Save Your Soul at every Jewel concert I go too, but > three albums down the road I still wanna hear Daddy and Amen and RaceCar > Driver and Sometimes it be That Way. Well, thought that it just had to be > said. Change is good, growth is better. Change for the sake of change can > ruin. > Later, > Sean Hooks > > [scat-singing to end] Tom email: provent@pls.lib.ca.us jewel/kristin\tanya/lush\happy/catherine\tori stereolab\milla/pwei\shawn/adrianborland/mary massiveattack/bob\heather/juliana\dandys/orb\drunkenboat/thesound "Stories of rags to riches leave me in stitches and with a thread that's hard to follow" -Trash Can Sinatras ------------------------------ From: derrick.karacostas@utmb.edu Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 17:09:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Happy B-day! "Someone" tell Jewel Happy 22nd Birthday for me! ------------------------------ From: Angela6359@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:24:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Rolling Stone i just received my rolling stone in the mail today, and just finished reading the jewel article. i did appreciate the length of the article, being that most are just a couple of paragraphs. and although she looked beautiful in the picture, i didn't like the fact that she was wearing a bra top. we all know she is beautiful. does she need to undress to gain more attention? why did she agree to pose in that outfit? ------------------------------ From: Angela6359@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 18:37:09 -0400 Subject: HAPPY 22ND BIRTHDAY! TO JEWEL- IF SHE EVER READS THIS, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! LOVE, ANGELA ------------------------------ From: rwm126@psu.edu (Rich Melko) Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 19:07:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Change I think that the best thing that Jewel can do is not listen to us. That includes me as well. I think it would be best if she just did whatever she wanted. People change their minds and often need new ways to express themselves. Sometimes they don't and it is best for them to express themselves in the same way. Maybe her music is something that she really doesn't consiously control. I think that as long as she does things her own way, and maintains the passion, for passion breeds passion, she will continue to attract my attention and the attention of everyone else on this list. I guess I am just saying that maybe this is Jewel's call. Rich Melko >Someone recently posted an article saying that the reason Jewel is so >great is her variety and change. He said that PoY is so different from say >Carnivore. I agree with this and that change has greatly helped artists >like the Beatles and Dylan, but drastic change can have a decidedly >negative affect on music too. Look at groups like U2 and REM whose new >albums pale in comparison to their old ones and their live efforts have >suffered as well as in their attempt for alternativism and change they are >refusing to play older songs from their repetoire. Now I'm not saying I >wanna hear Who Will Save Your Soul at every Jewel concert I go too, but >three albums down the road I still wanna hear Daddy and Amen and RaceCar >Driver and Sometimes it be That Way. Well, thought that it just had to be >said. Change is good, growth is better. Change for the sake of change can >ruin. >Later, > Sean Hooks > > > ------------------------------ From: "Brett M. Eskin" Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 20:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Rolling Stone Amazing how things happen that way huh... - --BRett On Thu, 23 May 1996 Angela6359@aol.com wrote: > i just received my rolling stone in the mail today, and just finished reading > the jewel article. i did appreciate the length of the article, being that > most are just a couple of paragraphs. and although she looked beautiful in > the picture, i didn't like the fact that she was wearing a bra top. we all > know she is beautiful. does she need to undress to gain more attention? why > did she agree to pose in that outfit? > ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #218 ***************************