From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #129 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, 9 April 1996 Volume 01 : Number 129 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Hypothetical "What If" Re: Hypothetical "What If" sad state Re: Hypothetical "What If" Re: Hypothetical "What If" Re: off the topic but please don't shoot Re: teeth Re: Hypothetical "What If" Re: Hypothetical "What If" (fwd) Re: Hypothetical "What If" Re: Hypothetical "What If" Re: Hypothetical "What If" Re: Hypothetical "What If" (fwd) Re: Hypothetical "What If" for you completists (long) mean people are we finished yet? New jewel page... Re: are we finished yet? "Hypothetical" thread... Re: for you completists ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James McGarry Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 16:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Chopped Liver wrote: > > I see Jewel as a bit stronger than Juliet, maybe a Tatiana in Midsummer > > Night's Dream or Viola in the 12th Night or even better because of her > > rapier wit: Beatrice in Much Ado About Nothing. :-) > ^^^^^^^^ > Katherine? Well, Bea is a bit like Katherine from Taming of the Shrew, but not so shrewish: MAAN, Act 1, Scene 1 Leon and Beatrice are talking about Benedick: Leon. You must not, sir, mistake my niece. There is a kind of merry war betwixt Signior Benedick and her. They never meet but there's a skirmish of wit between them. Beat. Alas, he gets nothing by that! In our last conflict four of his five wits went halting off, and now is the whole man govern'd with one; so that if he have wit enough to keep himself warm, let him bear it for a difference between himself and his horse; for it is all the wealth that he hath left to be known a reasonable creature. Who is his companion now? He hath every month a new sworn brother. Or do you mean another Katherine in another context? Regards, James. ========================================================================== James McGarry | jmcgarry@UoGuelph.CA - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- An artist should be fit for the best society and keep out of it. - - John Ruskin ========================================================================== ------------------------------ From: Steve Melisi Date: 8 Apr 1996 16:34:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" >wouldn't she make a great Juliet in Romeo & Juliet? Well, there is a Romeo and Juliet film currently in production, with Leonardo DiCaprio as Romeo and Clare Danes as Juliet. I think Jewel would be great as Cordelia in King Lear. - -steve ------------------------------ From: Dave Preitt Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 15:47:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: sad state Due to recent deluge of "crap" messages and today's "unique free offer" BS I am entirely un-subscribing from this list. Jewel probably would not be interested in reading the crap that goes on in here now. Sorry. Still love Jewel, and possibly due to the earlier state of the list, I love her music more. - -Dave ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Mon, 08 Apr 96 16:47:16 EST Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" On 8 Apr 1996 16:34:11 -0500 you said: > > > >>wouldn't she make a great Juliet in Romeo & Juliet? > >Well, there is a Romeo and Juliet film currently in production, with Leonardo >DiCaprio as Romeo and Clare Danes as Juliet. > Two HIGHLY over rated young actors. Maybe something will happen to cause cause the need for two new people to take their place. :) Let's see... who would go good with Jewel? Hmmm.... >I think Jewel would be great as Cordelia in King Lear. > >-steve > For the record... Jewel would make a great (enter Shakespeare female charater here). She could play them all. She's just that talented. :) Dean ------------------------------ From: "Brett M. Eskin" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" I think it would be neato if you al would redirect your Shakespeare/Jewel conversation to private email... ------------------------------ From: crunch Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 07:12:51 -0500 Subject: Re: off the topic but please don't shoot hey you! :) back up! when and where is the Penn State thing? please, pleeeease, do tell! i'm somewhere close to there. i will meet you and we will worship. crunch. ------------------------------ From: Linus Gelber Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 19:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: teeth On 8 Apr 1996, Steve Melisi wrote: > As long as we are talking about teeth, any Queen fans out there? Freddie > Mercury had the biggest freakin teeth in rock and roll history. I would think that honor should go to Donny & Marie Osmond, if you take a broad view of "rock and roll." I don't know if they actually had the biggest teeth, but they certainly had the most inescapable ones. Ciao - Linus - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Linus Gelber linus@panix.com Brooklyn, N.Y.C. - -o-<< WASTE cyrano@nycbeer.org Peripheral Visionary - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: crunch Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 07:44:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" i agree with Brett's RE !! ------------------------------ From: "Mark Anthony Miazga" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" (fwd) This is the problem with this list. People like Brett, who started the worst tangent since I was on the list only mere days ago and has continued to reply to posts with one or two word answers, is here telling someone else, who started an interesting Jewel discussion, to take it to private e-mail. This kind of hypocritical attitude makes people afraid to respond, and, frankly, I'm sick of everyone complaining about the tangents. I'm a member of the Ecto mailing list, and every day I look forward to reading the tangent-driven messages that appear. Here, people jump down your throat. I'm sick of it, and ready to leave. Whether anyone else will admit it or not, I'm quite sure close-mindedness is not something Jewel is a proponent of. And that's what the list has become. Sad... And if I could add my $0.02 to the Jewel/acting discussion: well, I never saw the Wizard of Oz production, so I'm just wondering one little thing: did Jewel color her hair for it, or wear a wig, or did she just go blond? Just curious, as I am thinking of good acting roles for Jewel. > I think it would be neato if you al would redirect your Shakespeare/Jewel > conversation to private email... - -- Mark Miazga Michigan State University miazgama@pilot.msu.edu East Lansing, MI USA Thought for the day: "Tomorrow's coming around the hairpin curve in the road; she's got a run in her stocking and is missing the heel of her shoe..." - Poe ------------------------------ From: Tom Proven Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" I hope this was a wink wink nudge nudge thing. If it was, very funny If not, OH NO!! On Mon, 8 Apr 1996, Brett M. Eskin wrote: > I think it would be neato if you al would redirect your Shakespeare/Jewel > conversation to private email... > Tom email:provent@pls.lib.ca.us love "It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it... life the speakers you blew, but the way that you blew it." music PWEI ----*---- jewel No Fun Intended ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Mon, 08 Apr 96 22:10:02 EST Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" On Mon, 8 Apr 1996 18:47:47 -0400 (EDT) you said: >I think it would be neato if you al would redirect your Shakespeare/Jewel >conversation to private email... Hmmm..... the guy who started a thread with the basic words "Jewel is hot" doesn't like this somewhat serious somewhat tongue-in-cheek discussion on Jewel possibly having the acting talent and stage presence to play Juliet (or any other Shakespearean female character). It would be NEATO if people would use their delete key when they she a subject header that they know contains a thread they do not wish to read. I do believe that's why most mail servers have the delete function. It's at least why I use it. Generally it takes one look at one message from a thread to determine the threads basic contents. Use some judgement, assuming you (Brett) possess it. Dean "the guy who started the irrelevant thread about... God forbid.... Jewel, on a Jewel list." Harris ------------------------------ From: "Brett M. Eskin" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" No it was not a wink wink nudge nudge thing. It's pointless, she's not going to be in the damn plays. Get a life. Hey maybe she should run for president, how could she lose? Or maybe she could disprove the theory of relativity, it's Jewel, after all. Or maybe she could be the new starting quarterback for the Cowboys, I hear she has a great arm. OR MAYBE SHE COULD JUST SING AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU. - --Brett ------------------------------ From: The P-Funk Goddess Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" (fwd) For the WoO Jewel got to go blonde and she was lovely One of my friends who had never heard Jewel was but who is obsessed with The Wizard of Oz went out and bought Jewel's album after hearing her sing as Dorothy. My friend says that Jewel sounds a lot like Judy Garland and though some of you may feel she's better than Judy Garland one must admit that it's quite a compliment that Jewel who is a newcomer can be compared to a more world renown (albeit dead) professional like Judy Garland! Especially in such a role that is usually associated with Judy Garland. I must admit I like Jewel better....Judy Garland became a drunk =) *sydney ------------------------------ From: "kjohnson" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 22:46:11 EST Subject: Re: Hypothetical "What If" > No it was not a wink wink nudge nudge thing. It's pointless, she's not > going to be in the damn plays. Get a life. DOUT!! > Hey maybe she should run for > president, how could she lose? Or maybe she could disprove the theory of > relativity, it's Jewel, after all. Or maybe she could be the new starting > quarterback for the Cowboys, I hear she has a great arm. OR MAYBE SHE > COULD JUST SING AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR > YOU. No, they are all losers Brett with nothing better to do, so why don't they just see Jewel in everything. Give em a break...maybe that is what rocks their world. > --Brett (Bitter man) Anyone here read the Grateful Dead newsgroup...well, methinks that we should vote Mr. Brett as our own Mike Geier. Hey, maybe he can make WinJewel too. What do you all think? I can just hear it now, "I HATE ALL OF YOU!!!" Sorry...just a thought that made me laugh for the first time today. Also, sorry to add to this terrible thread that I'm sure is bugging the hell out of you folks waiting for important email. ;) Katie Kate Johnson--kajohnson@main.rmwc.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Seeing what is small is called insight, Abiding in softness is called strength." - -Tao Te Ching, 15.52 ------------------------------ From: Sabra Richardson Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:56:15 -0600 (MDT) Subject: for you completists (long) Hello all, A friend of mine who I single-handedly converted to Jewel's music (hi Mateo-creature) just joined the list and is considering leaving already. Guess why? Well, let's see ... Really, people, take a moment and THINK before you post a personal e-message to the entire Jewel Kingdom. Here's an article from the local magazine Grid written by a cynical, bitter old man who needs some prune juice (at least it sounds like it). - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jewel in the Rough by Karl Davis Jewel is a hard one to figure. She yodels; she wears silver pants. She sleeps in her van; she does "Good Morning America". She records with Neil Young; she tours with Peter Murphy. She plays folky-ass mysic on an acoustic guitar; she digs Rocket From The Crypt. This is a girl that sings "I was meant for you" into the tonsils of Rugburns crooner Steve +++ Poltz one day and is suddenly meant for Sean Penn the next. MTV and NPR in the same week. I've seen Jewel perform four times now, and for the limited party tricks and affectations she pulls out of her Vaudville purse, I can't tell one show from the other. The K.D. Highlight Award: Jewel finishes a particularly serious song, tells a cute story about her father's propensity to yodel then bursts into song worthy of any caged bird in Switzerland. She takes a breath, asking the audience if she should yodel faster, then repeats the last step ad nauseum. If you haven't had the pleasure, imagine two sweaty guys aruing over whether they should watch "That's Incredible" or "The Sound of Music" and in a self-congratulatory moment slamming their beers on the TV set. Wham! Both are happy. But under the surface, tensions seethe. The story of Jewel doesn't tell you (and it's obviously true) is that she got kicked out of grade school more than once for yodeling during nap time. It seems she still hasn't grown up. Another thing you can count on is a testimony about how "amazing it is to be able to play music in front of people." Well, it might be if you were Fred Flintstone but for a girl on the Holiday Inn circuit since she was eight years old, it out to be old hat by now. We're on the phone (too busy to interview in person, I guess) and I ask her if it's the same ol', same ol' (because to some of us on the other side it is). "With 'four shows a day,' do you feel like you're just repeating yourself?" "No because audiences are so different." She comes out: "I wish I could make them all, you know, more good." Perhaps it's not so amazing after all. +++ There's a myth out there. One that tells us nature and solitude somehow make us better people. Don't be fooled. Excessive nature and solitude, the kind you might find in, say, Alaska for example, can really skew a person. And a bio. If Jewel's Nordic upbringing has been hyped to oblivion, her moce to San Diego has been all but denied. She left the igloo, damn it, and I'm going to get to the bottom of it. So what about the city? In swift, knee jerk fashion she quotes her own lyrics. "You know how when you're surrounded in beauty you feel optimistic somehow?" I do know because I've heard the album. "When you're surrounded by mountains, open spaces, things like that and then you come to the city and..." She tells me her conspiracy theory. The media and concrete gang up to make us all apathetic. But c'mon, I'm saying, don't you find any beauty in the city that is unique to the city? See, cities amaze and energize me like a pink drumming bunny. "Oh yeah! I love the city!" she says, determined to see beauty in everything. I wait for her to elaborate but it's clear she has much more to say about the mountains. I wait some more. Finally, "You know, I like movie theaters, indoor plumbing." Me too, Jewel, me too. Here's where we connect. "I was just in Boise, Idaho for the first time. It was incredible! And the people there, you know?" Honest Abe, Idaho fascinates me as much as New York City. Me andThe Platinum Folkie begin to sing, "This land is your land, this land is my land, from California, to the New York islands." Common ground, baby! And she follows up. "I'm a big reader. I read a lot," she says, something I'm a sucker for. Like what? "Mmmm..." Fiction or non-fiction? "I don't think I've read any mystery novels," she says, painfully reducing the whole of fiction to the realm of Danielle Steel. She's already dropped a few notches. "I read a lot of Kant, Plato." That's cool, if she really does. Jewel is big on spouting her own layperson humanist philosophies, placing herself somewhere between Wordsworth, Hallmark, and Zig Ziglar. I've pulled a little gem for you: "The gift of being human, I think, is that you can physically manifest thought. That's huge, if you think about it. It's mind-altering." Then, after denouncing fiction, she claims she's into Dostoyevsky (slaughtering the pronunciation). Whatever. "I love the language. I love articulation," she continues. Now, I too --the writer I-- amd back in love. It's a rollercoaster interview. She likes Charles Bukowski -- a cheap and frivolous epedemic. It's a yo-yo. I mean, when she sings "I'm sensitive and I want to stay that way" I get the appropriate sickly feeling in my stomach. On the other hand, "Pieces of You" is one of the most forthright, straight to the heart, brutally honest, and in-your-face jabs I've ever laid ear-drums on. So I throw a name out, to explore this paradox a little further. Alanis Morrissette? "I'm kinda tired of the angry woman thing, personally." Amen, sister ... aaaand how! On the other hand, "I think it's cowardice when people abandon something just because of its popularity, like, when it's underground it's cool. They're like, 'I like them before everyone else.' It's so snobby, a total cop-out, fake thing." I agree. And isn't it ironic? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- [sic] the whole article and there you go. sabra - -----------------s a b r a r i c h a r d s o n b e d d e s----------------- ------------------------------ From: Kamyar Aram Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:33:58 -0400 Subject: mean people not too long ago, not even a month i think, this use to be a happy place.... i would encourage EVERYONE on the list to not write NEGATIVE responses... specially insulting ones... if you don't agree with something, that's one thing... but when i read messages that sound all pissed off and insult other members, i don't think that's right... it just gets people tangled up into flame-wars... and one more thing... you joined a mailing list, you should expect mail... i know it's hard for some people to deal with sixty messages at a time sometimes (e.g. myself)... but you gotta deal with it... i don't think anyone should judge who belongs or not on the list (except the owner)... this is just my opinion... peace yar ------------------------------ From: jeffpete@primenet.com (jeffrey peterson) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 20:36:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: are we finished yet? Hi everyone, When I joined this list I thought it was the best thing in the world. I couldn't wait to get home and read my mail and find out new things about Jewel. Now I dread reading this mail because I don't want to see what the latest fight is about. It looks like we have scared off hiranya and some of the other people who gave us great information. We had something pretty special and it looks like it may be falling apart. I hope not and I think we are awhile from that happening. I haven't seen thi many people posting that they are unsubscribing in the whole time i have been here. I introduced a local DJ to this list the other day, imagine the insight we could have had from her. Not only about Jewel but about other artists. Hopefully she is still on the list. I am not going to unsubscribe because there are still people on here that have very interesting things to say, and if there is one interesting post out of every 20 that is worth it to me. That is not to say that these tangents are wrong, I think they are great. It is the bickering and fighting that makes us look like kids. I tried to be as short as possible, thanks for your time.. Jeff ------------------------------ From: ace@jetter.com (A.C. Jetter ) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New jewel page... Fellow Jewel-ites: Now, i don't know if anyone has mentioned this, because it seems like i am deleting more messages than i read... Everyone is dogging what other people say. Don't do that... I want to know new stuff about jewel. Not what she should be doing, and people's negative opinions about her. This is not the place. Anyway.... www.7up.com has a sort of jewel page... only one picture, and some already-known information, but hey... it's better than nothing!! Go to the site, and click on the second link.. it's something about "listen up" or something... Then, you can look at "last week's feature artists", and low and behold... There's Jewel!! How exciting.. As far as the 7up site, if some of you haven't seen it, they have some cool spinning 7up cans on there (netscape 2.0 only..) Check it out!! ac. ******************************* A.C. Jetter ace@jetter.com http://www.jetter.com/~ace University Of Nebraska - Omaha Management Information Systems ------------------------------ From: "Brett M. Eskin" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: are we finished yet? Just a side note, I am a DJ, DJ's are idiots. They don't have to know anything about music and usually don't. The songs are all planned out for us, we have no say. DJ's are mindless idiots, most of the time. ------------------------------ From: SBB4184@alpha.CC.OBERLIN.EDU Date: Mon, 08 Apr 1996 23:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: "Hypothetical" thread... Dear Jewel-list, I don't think it's that strange to be talking about a possible acting career. Didn't Hiranya mention something about Jewel turning down a role in a Clive Barker movie or something to that effect? The people in the discussion weren't discussing who would win in a football game between Ditka and Jewel (Ditka), or who would win a game between the Bears and Jewel fans (Jewel fans). After saying that all guys who admire a female artist's work have to have some sort of sexual interest in the person, you could at least give folks a little leeway to talk about something that may actually happen (Jewel starting an acting career) as opposed to something that'll probably never happenn (you "getting it on" with her). This isn't meant to be a flame, slam, put-down, or snap. Could we all just get along without the misery of over 100 messages in a single day again...? Say what you wanna say, folks. Brett, what's up? First you successfully pissed off a gaggle of people on the list. Now you want to tell other people what they should and should not say? There's nothing ACTIVELY going on TODAY in Jewel's career, so why can't people get a little silly in the lull? As the Eagles would say, take it easy.... P.S.- Neile, I got the Rare Angels tape yesterday in the mail. Thanks a bunch!!! ------------------------------ From: gregdunn@indy.net (Greg Dunn) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 1996 23:30:48 -0500 Subject: Re: for you completists >Here's an article from the local magazine Grid written by a cynical, bitter >old man who needs some prune juice (at least it sounds like it). That's absolutely hilarious. As a reviewer myself, I think I see what's happening here. This guy wrote the review that he felt like writing, but instead of laughing hysterically and saying, "No, really!" and hitting Delete, he accidentally sent it off and it got published. No; you mean he really wanted that screed in print? Honestly? :) I mean, reviewers all do it. Write a trash review that is purposely over-the-top, trying to show off, flex the old verbal muscles a bit... have a good laugh, go back and write a sane review for publication. Unfortunately, there are apparently people who feel that their readers really want to see the result of their flatulence :) and still publish it. I guess I'll know I'm too old for new music when I start spouting publicly like that. BTW, I'm 42 and not about to start getting cynical as long as there are people like Jewel, Happy Rhodes, and my daughter around to delight me with their presence. I hope and believe that Jewel can shrug off hopelessly irrelevant reviews and stick to her path. It sounds like she's still on target, from the latest concert reviews. Thanks for sharing that bizarre item with us. - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | GregDunn@aol.com | knowledge is not wisdom; | | gregdunn@indy.net | wisdom is not truth." | | Greg@gdunn.nawc-ad-indy.navy.mil | -- Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #129 ***************************