From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #122 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Friday, 5 April 1996 Volume 01 : Number 122 Today's Subjects: ----------------- A Message from your list manager. Re: d Daddy Peter Collins Re: Daddy Re: "Brett M. Eskin" STOP IT! Re: "Brett M. Eskin" Re: "Brett M. Eskin" Re: "Brett M. Eskin" Re: Daddy why don't we all just grow up Re: Daddy Re: Daddy Re: Daddy Suggested reading Re: eek Re: Daddy (correction) Re: Hidden Treasures Re: Man wat a hot babe!! (longish) Jewel's guitar playing... Enough Re: Jewel's guitar playing... tired of this crap Re: jewel, tori, melissa ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: jeffw (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 12:24:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: A Message from your list manager. Neile Graham writes: > > > Just wanted to let everyone know that I sent Mr. Eskin private email > asking him to take his private messages to email and got an abusive > message back. As the list manager, I'm very sorry to see the list stoop to such a low level. I admit that I don't have time to keep up on the goings-on on the list lately (let alone keep up with all of the list-management duties). I ask you to consider the fact that there is a human at the other end of the email address, and also that we are often discussing another real person (Jewel). If in the future there are problems on the list that you feel I should be aware of immediatly, please feel free to mail me at owner-jewel@smoe.org. In the past, I have only ever removed one person from a list I manage. I don't want to have to do that on this list--please keep it civil. Jeff ------------------------------ From: "damon schmidt" Date: Fri, 5 Apr 96 11:33:32 -0600 Subject: Re: d Responding to the message of Wed, 3 Apr 1996 18:58:04 -0500 from DiscoChckn@aol.com: > > > My friends and I got into a strange discussion about Jewel. Maybe some of > you > could help us decide a not-so-crucial point. Who do you think would win > in a > fight Jewel or Tori. We have already decided that Melissa E. would kick > everybody's butt. I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful, but this is the kind of thing that makes me consider unsubscribing. 30 messages per day on who could kick whose butt or who sounds like who, etc. One time I had forty messages about Joan freakin' Osborne (I don't have anything against Joan, but this is Jewel's list). Please, let's adjust the ratio of signal-to-noise... Damon ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 05 Apr 96 12:50:57 EST Subject: Daddy Everyone seems quite impressed with Amen and Angel Standing By, which I love as well. Actually I love all the songs on POY, even WWSYS and YWMFM, which some people seem to not like (maybe because they're kinda radio-friendly). I was wondering though, do many people like Daddy as much as I do? This song is filled with emotion on the subject of prejudices (sp) and the way Jewel changes her singing style thru the song tends to demonstrate how the angry (hate) for the character's father builds and builds as she is exposed to him more and more. I don't know that I'm saying this right, but that song does a lot for me. Both in the lyrics and, in this case more importantly, the style she sings it in. ------------------------------ From: "Michael Solomon" Date: Fri, 05 Apr 96 13:25:03 EST Subject: Peter Collins Is Peter Collins still producing Jewel's new album? In addition to Rush, which has already been discussed here, Peter Collins produced Indigo Girls' Rites of Passage, which was a great album. I assume there are others on this list that like Indigo Girls. Thoughts? ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 10:49:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Daddy I, too, am a big fan of "Daddy" and "Hey Little Sister". When I first heard Jewel I thought her sound was a little too country for my tastes but something kept me listening--her lyrics. I was introduced to Jewel by the Innerchange tapes, which I got before _PoY_ was released, so it was the funny songs that caught my ear first, and led me into the more sophisticated songs lyrically. Jewel's lyrics are wonderful. Things like "he talks like Columbian coffee with cream". The story of "Painters" caught me, too. About Jewel's guitar work, while it's not that sophisticated, what I think is really interesting is that most singer-songwriters stick to the same kind of playing throughout their songs--they make similar chord changes, rhythms, moves and shifts or they mostly finger pick or they mostly play bar chords, or use certain strumming techniques. While Jewel does do some similar things, overall, when you're watching her play, she's doing all kinds of different things. Her range of styles with her guitar are nearly as impressive and expressive as her vocal range. That's saying something. - --Neile ------------------------------ From: "Brett M. Eskin" Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:03:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: "Brett M. Eskin" What the hell is this guy's problem? When did I say I didn't like the music? When did this guy become my father? Relax dude, you act as if I shot your mother. ==Brett ------------------------------ From: "Brett M. Eskin" Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:08:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: STOP IT! ENough already, I said what I said because it was how I felt. You all need to relax. I like the music, but I like the looks as well, the looks are what attracted me to the video, it is why I left the video on. Her lyrics are wonderful, but I think the song structure needs work. You all call me a jerk and a loser, but I am not the one who has resorted to personal attacks, re: ugly etc... Just relax, enough already. Please stop it with the hate mail. None of you know anything about but my name, yet you all seem to think you know who I am. - --Brett ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:58:43 -0500 Subject: Re: "Brett M. Eskin" On 5 Apr 96 at 12:13, Neile Graham typed diligantly: > Just wanted to let everyone know that I sent Mr. Eskin private email > asking him to take his private messages to email and got an abusive > message back. > > I sent him a message letting him know that if he emails me again I will > complain to his system administrator. I'm tired of this whole debacle. For one thing, those complaining direct to Brett should have done so privately. For another, everybody else replying about his posts shouldn't have. You're just feeding the fire. It's been my policy to complain about a post to the original poster, and not the whole list. Sure, I haven't agreed with most of what has been going on - not that it matters anyway - which is why I have been refraining from commenting. However, it has now got out of hand. Who died and left those people complaining about (im)proper English in charge? A lot of people in the U.S. lose sight that the internet is "inter", and not "intra". Look it up. And when did this become the "proper English" list anyway? Also, when did it become the "physically beautiful women only" list? > He will also not receive any of the Rare Angels or the upcoming Radio > Angels tapes from me and I would ask that everyone else on the list > refrain from making copies of these tapes for him. > > Not that it matters much to him--he says he doesn't care for her music > anyway. Then I say unsub him. I hate to say this, but these recent threads remind me of rdt and (to an extant) fte. I knew there was a reason I left those lists. Could it come to this one, as well? Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner O- WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Loreena McKennitt; Jewel; suddenly, tammy!; jehova waitresses Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are mine, mine, mine! "Some people can tell what time it is by looking at the sun. But I have never been able to make out the numbers." - Anonymous - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 11:15:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: "Brett M. Eskin" Sorry to bring this up to the list yet again, but I told this person if he sent me any more mail I would complain to his postmaster and he did and so I just have. I would appreciate if we could all drop this now. There are few recourses for abuse on the net but the best one is shunning such people. - --Neile On Fri, 5 Apr 1996, Brett M. Eskin wrote: > What the hell is this guy's problem? When did I say I didn't like the > music? When did this guy become my father? Relax dude, you act as if I > shot your mother. > > ==Brett > ------------------------------ From: DEPTHTANK Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:18:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: "Brett M. Eskin" Ok Brett, Since we're all sick and tired of you denying what you wrote in plain english(we only listen because of her looks, she has no rhythm), I, as the lead instigator of this whole Flaming shrine to Brett, hereby, step down from this case of ignorance, so that I stop getting email from you, and so that I can stop annoying people who only want to talk about Jewel directly, as if nothing else in the world is related to life. So Brett, in closing, BITE ME! - --Dave. On Fri, 5 Apr 1996, Brett M. Eskin wrote: > What the hell is this guy's problem? When did I say I didn't like the > music? When did this guy become my father? Relax dude, you act as if I > shot your mother. > > ==Brett > ------------------------------ From: Truna@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:27:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Daddy In a message dated 96-04-05 13:12:12 EST, you write: >some people seem to not like (maybe because they're kinda radio-friendly). >I was wondering though, do many people like Daddy as much as I do? Hi! Don't worry, your not alone! Both me and friend Genan LUV Daddy. Lets put it this way, when ever we have our friends listen too her musik, Daddy is usually the first they end up listening too. Alison ------------------------------ From: Truna@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:32:46 -0500 Subject: why don't we all just grow up You know somthing people this is all getting too be too much, after a day, it takes me about 30 minuttes just too read letters about this person is better then this person, or this person is pretty andthis one isn't. I'm seriously getting SICK of it. I'm rilly sorry for adding yet another letter on this whole obnoxious topic, but it's seriously got to stop. I beg of all a ya too just drop it. No more private letters, or list letters. You can't judge a person just on a coupla notes. Lets just cut it out, grow up, and at least TRY too act your age. THANK YOU!! Alison ------------------------------ From: diciccda@saber.udayton.edu Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 14:56:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Daddy I didn't like "Daddy" at all until I discovered the story behind the song... then it all made sense. :) Dave diciccda@saber.udayton.edu PS: I guess it might not be clear, but I really like "Daddy" now! ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:32:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Daddy As a daddy, "Daddy" may have a completely different to than to those of you who aren't. We don't realize what power we have over our children until we see the results. It is a sobering and fightening responsibility. Maybe Jewel wrote it from the other point of view, but it gets to you either way. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 05 Apr 96 15:41:10 EST Subject: Re: Daddy On Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:32:20 -0700 (MST) you said: > > >As a daddy, "Daddy" may have a completely different to than to those of >you who aren't. We don't realize what power we have over our children >until we see the results. It is a sobering and fightening responsibility. >Maybe Jewel wrote it from the other point of view, but it gets to you >either way. > > >Chopped Liver (Charlie) >watkins@selway.umt.edu > Good point! I had never looked at the song from the "Daddy's" perspective. Then again I'm not a daddy, so why would I think to do that. :) Dean ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:48:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: Suggested reading I'M SENSITIVE I was thinking that I might fly today Just to disprove all the things that you say It doesn't take a talent to be mean You words can crush things that are unseen CHROUS: So please be careful with me, I'm sensitive And I'd like to stay that way You always tell me that it's impossible To be respected, and be a girl Why's it gotta be so complicated Why you gotta tell me if I'm hated CHROUS: So please be careful with me, I'm sensitive And I'd like to stay that way I was thinking, that it might do some good If we robbed the cynics and took all their food That way what they believe will have taken place And we can give it people who have some faith CHROUS: So please be careful with me, I'm sensitive And I'd like to stay that way I have this theory, that if we're told we're bad Then that's the only idea we'll ever have But maybe if we are surrounded in beauty Someday we will become what we see 'Cause anyone can start a conflict it's harder yet to disregard it I'd rather see the world from another angle We are everyday angels Be careful with me 'cause I'd like to stay that way Jewel Just thought these words might need to be read every once in a while Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu ------------------------------ From: SilverKat1@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:51:51 -0500 Subject: Re: eek In a message dated 96-04-04 18:34:30 EST, you write: >Hey Kim, couldja give the names of the musicians whose lyrics ya use in >yer sigs? I wanna know who they are. I recognized the Sarah bit. I've used Kristin Hersh's The Letter and Sarah's Plenty and Jewel's Walk Away... Hmmm... Lyrics really get to me... Seems like lyrics are the flow of my emotions... "This is my heart bleeding before you, this is me down on my knees" "You were closer than you thought, closer than you thought you'd get" "I want it all to go away, I want to be alone... Sympathies wasted on my hollow shell" "There are parts of me he'll never know" "You can come back when you want, just know that I'll be here" "Maybe she's pieces of me you've never seen" "How can I explain the way your eyes burn into my mind, my love" "Just let me try and I will be good to you" Just some lyrics... Kim "You stole enough from me, I gotta go... Dream on Me" ------------------------------ From: Chopped Liver Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:56:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Daddy (correction) Just to correct my typing: As a daddy, "Daddy" may have a completely different meaning to it than to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ those of you who aren't. We don't realize what power we have over our children until we see the results. It is a sobering and fightening responsibility. Maybe Jewel wrote it from the other point of view, but it gets to you either way. Chopped Liver (Charlie) watkins@selway.umt.edu ------------------------------ From: SilverKat1@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:57:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Hidden Treasures In a message dated 96-04-04 19:20:15 EST, you write: > I don't have much of an opinion on Near You Always, my hidden >treasure from the album is Amen. I absolutely love that song. >Incredibly. I don't think I've ever heard much better lyrics than >"Some are being beaten/ Some are being born/ And some can't tell the >difference anymore" And I love the way she sings Amen. Anyone else >a big fan of this song? Oh my, Amen... This song is so beutiful... Jewel occaionally says that it is her favourite song on POY because it is a song and a poem... If she read the lyrics, it'd be both... Anyone else notice the lyric "But Somethings In The Way" (Nirvana) (Kurt Cobain)... She says he inspired her to write it... I love how she slipped the song title in... My favourite line is "Where are my angels? Where's my golden one?" I think we all can relate sometime in life at one point or the other... Take care Kim "I know you say you love me... If what you say is true... So show me something that's not deceiving cause I wouldn't lie to you..." ------------------------------ From: SilverKat1@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:17:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Man wat a hot babe!! (longish) In a message dated 96-04-05 11:57:32 EST, you write: >Has anyone else noticed how no two Jewel songs are quite the same. Is there >no limit to the extent of her talent? (I hope not.) I wouldn't quite say that: Don't/Walk Away, Jessica/Emily, Love Song/Sometimes It Be That Way... with over 200 songs, I think it'd be hard to make every one different... Even though are... Who knows... Take care Kim "You might've told me that love was not enough... You might've lied and told me that it was" ------------------------------ From: SBB4184@alpha.CC.OBERLIN.EDU Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 16:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Jewel's guitar playing... Dear Jewel-list, As a voice from Jewel's past (I went to high school with her, played in a band with her, graduated the same year, etc.), she was learning how to play when she was 16 or 17. If you look on the album cover, there's a "thank you" to Marie Beer, a friend of Jewel's who sort of helped her learn (I think). They were both visual art majors at Interlochen, along with Melissa Hogue (another name on the album). I think Jean Parsons also got listed in the "thank you" section. She was an art teacher at the school. With all the junk mail flying around, I might unsubscribe soon, but I will get some of the high school pictures off to both the address Hiranya gave me and to a person that runs a Jewel homepage (so you'll all be able to see them before too long...). Take it easy, Brian Bartel P.S.- Dumb trivia for the day: What is Jewel's REAL full name? ------------------------------ From: SilverKat1@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 16:36:58 -0500 Subject: Enough In a message dated 96-04-05 15:53:10 EST, you write: >But maybe if we are surrounded in beauty >Someday we will become what we see >'Cause anyone can start a conflict >it's harder yet to disregard it >I'd rather see the world from another angle >We are everyday angels Exactly... I've been reading my mail for the last hour and a half and am still going... I don't like to complain or add to the imaturity displayed here on this list but seriously, ENOUGH... We're here to get info on Jewel, to talk about her music and anything regarding her... Not to argue and constantly attack each other... All this mindless discussion is making me hate being on this list... If someone posts something disrespectful towards Jewel PRIVATELY email them about it... Don't fill up everyone's mailbox with comments... Calm down everyone, relax, and just get over Brett... Take care and happy holidays to everyone, Kim "She waits for him to understand... But he won't understand at all" ------------------------------ From: Dean Date: Fri, 05 Apr 96 16:47:30 EST Subject: Re: Jewel's guitar playing... On Fri, 05 Apr 1996 16:35:30 -0400 (EDT) you said: > > > > > > >Dear Jewel-list, > As a voice from Jewel's past (I went to high school with her, played in >a band with her, graduated the same year, etc.), she was learning how to play >when she was 16 or 17. If you look on the album cover, there's a "thank you" >to Marie Beer, a friend of Jewel's who sort of helped her learn (I think). >They were both visual art majors at Interlochen, along with Melissa Hogue >(another name on the album). I think Jean Parsons also got listed in the >"thank you" section. She was an art teacher at the school. > With all the junk mail flying around, I might unsubscribe soon, but I >will get some of the high school pictures off to both the address Hiranya gave >me and to a person that runs a Jewel homepage (so you'll all be able to see >them before too long...). > > Take it easy, > Brian Bartel >P.S.- Dumb trivia for the day: What is Jewel's REAL full name? > > Since you asked... Her real name is Jewel Kilcher. She has no middle name. Assuming your clain is true, I have to ask this. Did you happen to date Jewel back in high school? Of course who would know if you're lieing? :) Dean ------------------------------ From: Beverly Hills Ninja Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 13:33:12 -0800 Subject: tired of this crap enough already!!! this list is getting worse than ever. i totally love jewel's music, and i love the networking through the internet, but 155 messages are a lot for 2 nights. can we all be a little mature and have some consideration for those who don't have the time to read nonsense? i've talked to some great people on this list, and i don't want to leave. but all this mail flooding has to cool off a bit. my hard drive is yelling at me. Jason. ------------------------------ From: Jim Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 16:54:08 -0500 Subject: Re: jewel, tori, melissa At 12:32 PM 4/4/96 -0500, Brett M. Eskin wrote: >That is all I was trying to say. There ARE a lot of ugly guys with music >deals, but not women. WHy do you think that is? I'd tend to bet that it's due to the preponderance of males in positions of decision making in the industry.. it's much the same, though I don't think quite as prevalent, in movies and television.. just seems to me that almost ALL the female artists around are at the least, attractive.. walk through a record store and look... which makes you wonder if there's not another Janis out there somewhere, who didn't get a deal cause some guy didn't like her looks... ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #122 ***************************