From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #105 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" X-To-Unsubscribe: with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Wednesday, 27 March 1996 Volume 01 : Number 105 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: joan osborne's career over? Re: Jewel Expoitation#2 Re: Jewel Expoitation#2 Re: Jewel Expoitation#2 Re: It Makes Sense Tracy Chapman (was: Jewel Expoitation#2) Tracy Chapman This whole Joan thing... Re: Tracy Chapman Re: It Makes Sense Re: Tracy Chapman For Dean, Jeff and Duff -- Jewel Exploitation FREE JEWEL TICKETS!!! Re: jewel-digest V1 #104 KROQ Radio Hello once again... Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org Stop it please Jewel Video Story Attn: Paul Desanti Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ian Gabriel Riley Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:37:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: joan osborne's career over? > anyways, i LOVE the album, the music is some of my favorite, especially St. > Teresa... > shes got a lifetime (probably) fan in me, i love her style, her lyrics are > truly not my style, but she has so much attitude, it makes up for it and > shes soo funny, i.e. Right hand man... > > and the song Spider Web is absolutely awesome! Right on. Relish is one of my favorite CDs. Ian ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 15:46:19 EST Subject: Re: Jewel Expoitation#2 >I forgot exactly who said what...) The person who used Tracy Chatman >(I'm gonna get slammed if I spelled her name wrong) as an example: She >is a PERFECT example of what I was saying about Joan. Tracy IS very >talented, had a GREAT record, but the almightly music industry got ahold >of the "Fast Car" song and that was the LAST the general public has heard >from her in YEARS. Okay, so the new axiom is that if your first single is a major hit, you've been exploited AND your career is over. Get a grip. >ruined her for major publicity in the future. Actually I think it was >very smart of Tracy to stay out of the public eye for this length of time >(whether or not that was by choice is questionable?? but it may give her >another chance for a comeback.) "Comeback"? The point is that she hasn't left. She's selling enough albums to make the record company happy (and not can her), she's doing some touring. If Tracy Chapman had grown to true obscurity, I might agree with you. But the simple fact is that she *is* still around, *has* continued to release albums at a regular pace, continues to be seen on MTV (I remember seeing the video to "Bang Bang Bang" from _Matters of the Heart_; can't speak for the new album, but then I don't have cable). >I think that is a sign of a true fan. I'm so glad you cleared that up for me. >respect. As an example of someone who, in my eyes, did not sell out, >Melissa Etheridge. again. Just the other day I heard some ME song on the radio and all I could think was "God, she bores me now." As far as I'm concerned, ME's best album was _Brave and Crazy_. She's been on a downhill slide since then. Personally, I think the only reason she's a big star now is because she finally came out of the closet. It pisses off the 'phobes. >She had 3 albulms before her success with "Yes I Am", >her albulm from '94. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm quite certain that ME's first (eponymous) album was nominated for a grammy. Which according to your thoughts expressed above, means her career should have died then, as you're predicting for Joan Osborne. >following. And even with her success, she didn't sell out. It was >always HER hard work and HER writing the music. It's amazing how many people get famous for singing songs other people write. I don't see why you continue to harp on this. >Okay, I've talked enough. Hope I didn't put y'all to sleep. Nope, mostly just made me think you were a silly person. I was already to unsubscribe to the jewel list (which has become something of a mess) when I saw it and decided to respond. Maybe I'll unsub tomorrow. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | | | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@wam.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ------------------------------ From: Ian Gabriel Riley Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:44:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Jewel Expoitation#2 > The person who used Tracy Chatman > (I'm gonna get slammed if I spelled her name wrong) as an example: She > is a PERFECT example of what I was saying about Joan. Tracy IS very > talented, had a GREAT record, but the almightly music industry got ahold > of the "Fast Car" song and that was the LAST the general public has heard > from her in YEARS. Hasn't she just come out with a new CD or at least a single. I have heard a song on the raido called Give Me One Reason that I think Tracy Chapman did. Correct me if I am wrong here. So maybe she is coming back. Ian ------------------------------ From: Arthur Joseph Moen Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:07:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Jewel Expoitation#2 Tracy Chapman has an absolutely awesome new CD out called New Beginning!!!! i love it, of course, i love Tracy Chapman, so... Give Me ONe Reason is the shortest song on there, thats really the only reason it gets lplayed more than the others... although, everyone i know says theyve only heard Fast Car... again, just letting you know, Henry On Wed, 27 Mar 1996, Ian Gabriel Riley wrote: > > > > The person who used Tracy Chatman > > (I'm gonna get slammed if I spelled her name wrong) as an example: She > > is a PERFECT example of what I was saying about Joan. Tracy IS very > > talented, had a GREAT record, but the almightly music industry got ahold > > of the "Fast Car" song and that was the LAST the general public has heard > > from her in YEARS. > > Hasn't she just come out with a new CD or at least a single. I have > heard a song on the raido called Give Me One Reason that I think Tracy > Chapman did. Correct me if I am wrong here. So maybe she is coming back. > > Ian > ------------------------------ From: Anand Gajjala Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 16:15:59 -0500 Subject: Re: It Makes Sense At 01:10 AM 3/27/96 -0500, you wrote: (apparently from spryder@copland.udel.edu) >PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE: > > >The above concept explains in the simplest terms why the concept of creating >mailing lists is still with us. It works. > >It is good for the people who participate. > >NOTE: Your address has been removed from this email list. If you wish to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > receive future mailings, please include your Internet email address > and state that you would like to be put back on this list when > responding to #10 on the list below. > Did any one else get this extremely long message with what seemed like everyone's e-mail address extracted from the list? I can't figure if this came from here or from some place else. If it did come from the list, needless to say, this is not the place for spam. If it didn't, I'm sorry I wasted your time. Anand agajjala@mail.vt.edu p.s. What's the deal with the highlighted message above? ------------------------------ From: kjohnson Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 14:54:16 EST Subject: Tracy Chapman (was: Jewel Expoitation#2) >The person who used Tracy Chatman it's Chapman > (I'm gonna get slammed if I spelled her name wrong) as an example: > She is a PERFECT example of what I was saying about Joan. Tracy IS > very talented, had a GREAT record, but the almightly music industry > got ahold of the "Fast Car" song and that was the LAST the general public > has heard from her in YEARS. Nannette, she has a new album out now called "New Beginning". This is a beautiful cd that everyone should hear. She's also on the radio and VH-1 (where she looks pretty damn excited to be singing such a groovy music again--for the "public eye"). > She was completely exploited. What exactly does exploited mean? >Actually I think it was very smart of Tracy to stay out of the public eye >for this length of time (whether or not that was by choice is questionable?? > but it may give her another chance for a comeback.) You have a good point there, but the strong comeback is only because she hasn't been heard (by the "public eye") in years. However, I don't think that she was completely out of the public eye at all. She had to make a living somehow, don't ya think? Katie Katie Johnson * kajohnson@main.rmwc.edu * small woman-at-large ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "If the waters can redeem me, I'm ready"--Tracy Chapman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Jacob Richard Hirsch Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 15:57:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tracy Chapman I wish Jewel covered Fast Car instead of behind the wall. Oh well Staying on the tracy Chapman note Candra wrote: >Tracy IS very talented, had a GREAT record, but the almightly music industry >got ahold of the "Fast Car" song and that was the LAST the general public >has heard from her in YEARS. She was completely exploited. I do not >doubt your dedication as a true fan, or that of the rest of the folks that >supported her from the beginning, but obviously the huge success of her >one hit ruined her for major publicity in the future. WAIT just one minute... Is publicity good or bad? You seem to think it's BAD but the crux of your argument that the bastardization of "fast Car" has RUINED her chances of publicity in the future. But why would she want publicity anyway if it is SO bad? As an aside i have heard things by Tracy Chapman since. Although i don't like them as much as "Fast Car" I'm glad i got to hear them and i nver would have if not for the popularity that "fast Car" recieved. Jake - -- New address jrh4v@faraday.clas.virginia.edu ------------------------------ From: CJDavid@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 13:03 EST Subject: This whole Joan thing... It kind of scares me that I read most of these posts and I find it even more frightening that I'm responding... But here goes: I happen to have seen Joan opening foe a lot of good bands in the old days (not that long ago, but you would think it was) and I happen to hate her... So, when she got popular I couldn't believe it and I wish her career was over, but I don't think it is... She will never be as big as she was with this record, however because she did develop a large fan base before she hit "big," she will always have a strong following... (Although, why is completely alien to me.) That is the difference between an artist who started out by developing a touring audience and one who just "came out of nowhere." That's the differnce between Joan and Sheryl Crow. I like Sheryl better but the sad fact is, she doesn't have the same kind of following to last her... Jewel developed a following, so even if she does get big for one album the subsequent fall will not destroy her... Peace, cj ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 13:55:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Tracy Chapman Jacob Richard Hirsch wrote: > I wish Jewel covered Fast Car instead of behind the wall. Well, personally while I like "Fast Car" as a song better, I think if Jewel is going to cover a song it's better that it's not one so closely tied to the originator. "Behind the Wall" is just obscure enough to make an interesting cover, particularly as her version is so similar--"Fast Car" would mean everyone comparing her (probably mostly negatively because people tend to like the first version they hear) with Tracy Chapman's version. - --Neile ------------------------------ From: Anand Gajjala Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:05:29 -0500 Subject: Re: It Makes Sense Thanx for all the replies. Now I know where to direct a few choice words. Anand agajjala@mail.vt.edu ------------------------------ From: "Mark Anthony Miazga" Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:17:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Tracy Chapman > Well, personally while I like "Fast Car" as a song better, I think if > Jewel is going to cover a song it's better that it's not one so closely > tied to the originator. "Behind the Wall" is just obscure enough to make > an interesting cover, particularly as her version is so similar--"Fast > Car" would mean everyone comparing her (probably mostly negatively > because people tend to like the first version they hear) with Tracy > Chapman's version. Well, I'm the one who brought up Tracy Chapman to begin with, so I'm quite amazed with the amount of discussion her mention has brought about. For everyone who was not sure, her fourth album, "New Beginning", was released in November. It's very good. "Give me one Reason", a bluesy single, is getting decent airplay on VH-1 and radio. BTW, when Jewel covers "Behind the Wall", does she do it a capella (like Tracy)? I was really hoping the song would be on the Innerchange Tapes (my only disappointment, by the way). I'm sure she does a very interesting version. - -- Mark Miazga Michigan State University miazgama@pilot.msu.edu East Lansing, MI USA ------------------------------ From: Nannette Mickle Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 00:33:59 -0800 Subject: For Dean, Jeff and Duff -- Jewel Exploitation Hi again, Just for clarification I want to say that I NEVER SAID THAT JEWEL "SOLD OUT" BY SIGNING WITH A MAJOR RECORD LABEL!! All I have EVER stated is that I want to protect Jewel from explotation. Period. Dean-- Your response seemed rather angry. Just to let you know, I have never seen Jewel at a coffe house either and am not "pissed" that I won't be able to see a 3 hour show for 5 bucks. I think seeing a 3 hour show for $5 is just as exploitive!! Jewel is extremeley talented and deserves more for her time. I would not know of her had she not sung on the VHI Duets concert, thus I think a certain level of fame is POSITIVE for one's career, just so long as it doesn't backfire and the artist can STAY IN CONTROL of their destiny. Jeff-- I thought it was unfair of you to write off Ben's opinion because of his age. I was extremely impressed with how knowledgeable Ben is when it comes to the music industry. He made a lot of valuable points that I agree with. Duff-- I wanted to say that I never implied we should "keep Jewel to ourselves". I think exposure for an artist is great as long as it is not exploitive. I even said in my original posting that started this mess :) that the more people touched by Jewel's music, the better. I do think it's pretty cool the diversity of opinions we all have given we are all stoked about the same artist. Take care all. Candra "When I was 14 I wore blue eyeliner." -- Jewel :) ------------------------------ From: Wearnavic@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:48:11 -0500 Subject: FREE JEWEL TICKETS!!! SOMEONE GET ME OFF THIS DAMN LIST!!! ------------------------------ From: Daniel King Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 18:18:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: jewel-digest V1 #104 >From: Leave the shadows dancing >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 01:08:10 -0500 (EST) >Subject: To: jewel@smoe.org > >Hi everyone!! > > I recently joined this mailing list after finding the wonderfully done >Jewel Home Page on the web. Last month I heard ONE song from Jewel on the >radio and just HAD to buy the CD. Now that I have it, she is one of my >favorite singers (shortest time it's ever took for me too!). Oh yeah? Well, I saw her CD in Colombia house, ordered it, and now I love her... heh... I hadnt even heard her before, but hey, I need to take chances... > > I am clueless tho, who is Bob Dylan? I know I'm ignorant, but hey.. :> >What kind of music does he do? Bob Dylan is a VERY famous protest singer... >P.S. I taped the VH1 Special at SP, so if anyone wants a copy, just let me know I am letting you know... I want a copy.. heh - -Daniel King ------------------------------ From: Truthseecr@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:15:37 -0500 Subject: KROQ Radio For those of you in the L.A./Orange County area, Jewel will be on the Kevin & Bean morning show tomorrow. Generally, guests come on sometime in the 8 o'clock hour, but don't quote me on that. :-) C. ------------------------------ From: SilverKat1@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:13:47 -0500 Subject: Hello once again... Hi all... This is Kim, for all those who might remember... AKA Skye Silverstine... I was offline for about three months so I missed everything on this list... I was involved in quite a few trades and having my computer break one day, I lost all the addresses of people I was trading with and so forth... Please email me privately if we had set up a trade... etc... I am very interested in trading again and have tons of shows to offer... I talked about a video tree a while ago - I don't know if one was started... Could someone let me know... Also, I missed Mike and Maty and a couple other appearances... If someone has them, let me know and we can set something up... I will be seeing her for the third time on April 8th at Drew University here in NJ... Anyone else going? Anyway... glad to be back =) Kim ------------------------------ From: Kamyar Aram Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 19:56:13 -0500 Subject: Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org well okay, i think i read enough messages to have earned input (some 70 of 'em too), sorry to add to the many many many messages but... as someone who strongly appreciates music, i tend to sometimes get protective of musicians, trying to protect them from shallow trend listeners who just wanna be cool... i consciously fight the instinct because i don't think i have the right to judge who is truly appreciating and who isn't... as far as fame goes, i think the success phish has had is ideal for a true artist/musician... enough to give you a better than average life, with minimum (but not w/out) wanna-be fans, and no exploiting... i think it particularly sucks when quality musicians play venues that completely take away from an intimate atmosphere w/ fans... i think it's much better to play consecutive shows at small venues than do a stadium tour... so all in all, i was introduced to jewel on vh-1, i think the air-time she gets now is ideal (i know some will disagree), and i just hope that next time she comes around, i'll still be able to see her facial expressions from the crowd... as far as joan osborne... wow, i can't say how much i'm shocked that so many people love her so... i saw her on h.o.a.r.d before her single (which did initially catch my ear, but not for long), and then when she opened for rusted root... i thought her live performance was weak, i think her lyrics are even weaker, and i think "right hand man" is sung completely out of key (and not in a pleasing way either)... i'm shocked at the fame she has achieved, and can't stand her music... but, i do believe she's sincere, and that she believes she's doin' good music, so for those that she touches, enjoy... peace kamyar ------------------------------ From: Truna@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 20:51:31 -0500 Subject: Stop it please I was just wondering... Is it just me or is this the JEWEL mailing list! Please stop write 3,000 letters worth of Joan Osborne! I don't have enough time to read them all!!!! Alison Sorry if that sounds obnoxious!! ------------------------------ From: jjonline Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 20:42:56 -0800 Subject: Jewel Video Hi, I am a really big fan of Jewel's since I saw her on MTV's 120 minutes. Unfortunatly, we don't get VH-1 around here. I would be willing to give quite alot for a good copy of Jewel singing "Sleep while I drive", with Melissa Etheridge. That is my favorite song. - -- IBM Aptiva Customer @midwest.net ------------------------------ From: jjonline Date: Wed, 27 Mar 96 20:47:23 -0800 Subject: Story It's me again, I wanted to let everyone know that I wrote story that is about the song "Adrian." I would like to find out if there is any way I could get in trouble for this. If somebody could give me proof that it wouldn't be a copyright violation. I will put it on this mailing list. Of course I will send it to Jewel at jeweljk@aol.com I just hope she gets it! :) - -- jjonline@midwest.net ------------------------------ From: gwarder@icis.on.ca (Geoff Warder) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 23:06:31 -0500 Subject: Attn: Paul Desanti Hi. Sorry to bother the whole list with this, but direct e-mail seems to be bouncing back to me. A while ago, (Paul) "pdesanti@lmumail.lmu.edu" sent me his e-mail address to be added to the Jewel Newsletter list. I need his *snail-mail* address to add him to the list. So Paul, if you're reading this, send me this info if you still want to be included in the mailout. Thanks everyone for your time. Geoff Warder gwarder@icis.on.ca =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Quote of the day: "I like cheese.....as a food." - Me =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: jeffpete@primenet.com (jeffrey peterson) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 21:29:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: Sender: owner-jewel@smoe.org Hi Everyone, I just got home from seeing Jewel here in Scottsdale, AZ. All i can say is WOW!!! She was simply incredible. I got to the club about a half hour before the doors were supposed to open (1 1/2 hours before the show) and there were already about a 100 people in front of us. They ended up turning probably about 100 people away because it was so full inside. And Jewel was the only performer so it was her that everyone came to see!! A partial set list, in really no order: Pieces of you Little Sister Racecar driver new song, said she just wrote it- Leave the lights on ?? very nice song!! Painters -by request I'm sensitive Near you always The Woman song (please excuse my memory on the exact title) You were meant for me Foolish Games Who Will save your soul AMen (by request) Chime Bells encore- a few songs I can't remember right now :( Nikos It was one of the most incredible evenings of music I have ever been lucky enough to witness. AS far as the latest topic of this list, about being afraid of Jewel making it big and "selling out", i don't think we have anything to worry about. She seems to be the most down to earth person in the world. She seemed to enjoy singing very, very much. I can't put into words what her music said to us at the concert. There were a few people who really didn't know why they were there but they left very impressed with Jewel. Lets all be as supportive as we can of Jewel and wish her nothing but the best. As the local dj announced when she intodruduced Jewel, "We can all say that we were there when JEwel first started, we saw her in a small room and we know that she will never forget us, and we will never forget her." Anyway, sorry for the length, and yes i got her autograph afterwards which totally made the night!! Take Care, Jeff ------------------------------ End of jewel-digest V1 #105 ***************************