From: owner-jewel-digest To: jewel-digest@smoe.org Subject: jewel-digest V1 #25 Reply-To: jewel@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jewel-digest Precedence: bulk X-To-Unsubscribe: Send mail to "jewel-digest-request@smoe.org" with "unsubscribe" as the body. jewel-digest Tuesday, 23 January 1996 Volume 01 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: . . . please . . . Jewel@the Blind Pig #2 peter wang tab Foolish Games Re: Re[2]: What a Night! The Metro - Long Branch, NJ Re: . . . please . . . Re: . . . please . . . Re: Jewel @ the Blind Pig Re: . . . please . . . Re: Everyday Angels Services Re: . . . please . . . RE: Neile Re: . . . please . . . It's getting a bit hot in here. . . Plagiarism? Jewel stuff ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Raven Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:41:59 EST5EDT4,M4.1.0,M10.5.0 Subject: RE: . . . please . . . why do you feel such anger? Is it because Jewel and Tori sound EXACTLY like clones of each other. I think they are twins that were seperated at birth. are you still angry? if so, why? why? ------------------------------ From: Pixie14@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:52:23 -0500 Subject: Jewel@the Blind Pig #2 Well, I just started journalism class, and we will be getting press passes. I know that several years ago, some students used their press passes to go backstage and party @ a billy idol concert. Maybe they will let me in w/my press pass if I could do a quick interview w/ jewel. Anyone have any idea how i could get in touch w/ jewel beforehand to see if she could give a quickie interview for our paper? That way i might be able to see her , and also get a wonderful feature for our paper. Grasping at straws because i want to see Jewel, *mariah ------------------------------ From: Kerry A Hennigin Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:29:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: peter wang tab knowledge. I've been a musician of all sorts since I was five. ------------------------------ From: Steve Ito Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:37:07 -0500 Subject: Foolish Games Ken said, re: Foolish Games > I think it's great that she sang that for you. When I saw her in >December at the Orpheum in Boston someone requested Foolish Games >(one of my favorites too), and she said that she didn't remember how >that one goes. So I'm glad to see that she has apparentally >relearned it. Anyone else heard it lately, or heard that she doesn't >know it?? She said that (i.e. that she couldn't remember it at all) in Toronto way back in June or July. So I was glad when she played it with Melissa Etheridge in the Duets special. My guess is, she was getting inundated with requests for the song after that show came out, so she was virtually forced to relearn it. :-) ******************* Sabra typed: >Ken had some really fantastic ideas and I support them wholly. But I have >one question. Is this list suddenly "Everyday Angels"? I thought Jewel >said she didn't want to overdo the angel thing... I believe you're right, Sabra. I seem to recall something similar. For those of you who don't know, Jewel once suggested the name "Everyday Angels" for the list, and then retracted the suggestion, for that reason or something like that. But there was some brief discussion about changing the name to that anyway, but nothing ever really came of it. Could have been apathy. I know *I* didn't really care too much one way or the other, and I still don't. :-) ******************* Finally, a request: When quoting someone, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE make it clear what part of your post is your own thoughts, and what part is quoted from someone else! Notice in a lot of people's posts (mine included), their quotes are signalled by these arrow characters ">". If you are using Eudora, for example, you can do a "Paste as quotation" and you'll get those arrow characters at the beginning of each line. If your e-mail package does not support this, another easy way you can mark off quotations is to do this: Andrew quoth, re: gifts for Jewel: - ----quote begins----- I would stay away from giving her food items. I doubt she would be allowed to eat them (at least, she shouldn't, if her people are looking out for her!). Even though you know you're harmless, she can't assume that about everyone. - ---quote ends----- (I agree with Andrew 100%, btw... non-foodstuffs would be far more appropriate, but back to my point about quotes...) And always say WHO you are quoting! That's important. Anyway, clearly marking off quotations like this *really* makes them easier to follow, and that's important when the list is getting as big as it is. Thanks, everyone! Steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Ito, | "Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who Psychology Dept. | says differently is selling something." University of Toronto | -- The Dread Pirate Roberts Toronto, ON, Can. | ------------------------------ From: "Neil S. MacDonald" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:41:45 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: What a Night! The Metro - Long Branch, NJ > > P.S. Sorry, defenders of the bandwidth, but I think we'd all enjoy a > mailing list with some fun in it. :) > ÊNo fun allowed. Neil :) *-------------------------------------------------------------------* | | | Neil S. MacDonald | | | | Purofirst/Metrosouth | | Fire, Smoke & Water Damage Restoration & Reconstruction | | A Single Source Provider - Independently Owned & Operated | | (617) 871-8822 | | - neil@purofirst.com | | - staffa@sneezy.stanford.edu | *-------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: Kerry A Hennigin Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:29:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: . . . please . . . On Sat, 20 Jan 1996 Hiranya@aol.com wrote: > On this whole Tori/Jewel thing. Might interest you to know > that Jewel wrote 'God's Gift to Women' as a Tori Amos > style song. It was an on purpose canIwriteaToriAmossong > experiment. > Where in the world did you get that info. I don't believe it for one second. I'd have to hear it from Jewel's mouth herself to believe that. Artists don't blatently copy one another and then go and admit it. Anyway, GGTW sounds nothing like any of Tori's songs and I own them all! Yes I do own them all. I have spent about $2000 on Tori Amos. I am her biggest fan. I love Jewel as much as Tori, but Tori's been around since 1992, and even before that in England 1990, and before that some stuff here and there. Now Jewel's only been around since 1994, and maybe a little before. She's not writing a kindalikeTorisong. She's writing a Jewel song about a real experience that she had while hitch-hiking. And by the way, for all you baby people out there that can't handle opinions, Jewel and Tori are alike in many ways, and they are different in many ways. I think what people are trying to say is that if you like Jewel, here's someone else you might want to check out that is very talented just like Jewel. If you fools can't appreciate someone filling you in on music then why the hell are you on this list?! I thought this was a list about music, Jewel's music. But there is a couple of Tori fanzines, and they all recommend other bands, like Sarah McLachlan, and Nine Inch Nails and others. I'm sure Rdt and the Fan Club don't get nasty letters saying "stop giving us suggestions for listening to new music." That would be stupid. If people on the list want to discuss the likenesses and differences between Tori and Jewel let them. You people that leave nasty notes like "I'LL HUNT YOU DOWN!" act like you created this thing. If you don't like the messages about Tori then don't read them. Alot of you put a lot of crap on here and if I spent all my time reading that crap I'd spend my life looking at this screen. This is called the information super highway and that's what we're spreading, info about Jewel and a few words about Tori here and there. Grow up. Stop acting like babies. Stop preaching about stopping the violence and then leave those "I'LL KILL YOU" messages(HIPOCRITES) and get a f**#ing life! A very pissed off Jewel fan because of the stupidity of human habit, Kerry P.S. For all you people leaving those nasty messages. You are the kind of people to start street fights and world wars. Keep the peace. Use you're mind and you're words, not you're fists. I guess you people arent really hearing what Jewel has to say anyway. Read the front cover of the album. It states: "WHAT WE THINK IS HUMAN NATURE IN ACUALITY IS HUMAN HABIT!" ------------------------------ From: "Arthur J. Henry Moen" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:41:13 -0600 Subject: Re: . . . please . . . all i have to say is, right on sista!!! give it to them and dont take no *censored*!!!!! At 06:29 PM 1/22/96 -0500, you wrote: > >On Sat, 20 Jan 1996 Hiranya@aol.com wrote: > >> On this whole Tori/Jewel thing. Might interest you to know >> that Jewel wrote 'God's Gift to Women' as a Tori Amos >> style song. It was an on purpose canIwriteaToriAmossong >> experiment. =20 >>=20 > >Where in the world did you get that info. I don't believe it for one=20 >second. I'd have to hear it from Jewel's mouth herself to believe that.=20 >Artists don't blatently copy one another and then go and admit it.=20 >Anyway, GGTW sounds nothing like any of Tori's songs and I own them all!=20 >Yes I do own them all. I have spent about $2000 on Tori Amos. I am her=20 >biggest fan. I love Jewel as much as Tori, but Tori's been around since=20 >1992, and even before that in England 1990, and before that some stuff=20 >here and there. Now Jewel's only been around since 1994, and maybe a=20 >little before. She's not writing a kindalikeTorisong. She's writing a Jewel= =20 >song about a real experience that she had while hitch-hiking. > And by the way, for all you baby people out there that can't handle=20 >opinions, Jewel and Tori are alike in many ways, and they are different=20 >in many ways. I think what people are trying to say is that if you like=20 >Jewel, here's someone else you might want to check out that is very=20 >talented just like Jewel. If you fools can't appreciate someone filling=20 >you in on music then why the hell are you on this list?! I thought this=20 >was a list about music, Jewel's music. But there is a couple of Tori=20 >fanzines, and they all recommend other bands, like Sarah McLachlan, and=20 >Nine Inch Nails and others. I'm sure Rdt and the Fan Club don't get nasty= =20 >letters saying "stop giving us suggestions for listening to new music." >That would be stupid. If people on the list want to discuss the=20 >likenesses and differences between Tori and Jewel let them. You people=20 >that leave nasty notes like "I'LL HUNT YOU DOWN!" act like you created=20 >this thing. If you don't like the messages about Tori then don't read=20 >them. Alot of you put a lot of crap on here and if I spent all my time=20 >reading that crap I'd spend my life looking at this screen. > This is called the information super highway and that's what we're=20 >spreading, info about Jewel and a few words about Tori here and there.=20 >Grow up. Stop acting like babies. Stop preaching about stopping the=20 >violence and then leave those "I'LL KILL YOU" messages(HIPOCRITES) and=20 >get a f**#ing life! > > > A very pissed off Jewel fan because of the=20 >stupidity of human habit,=20 > Kerry > >P.S. > For all you people leaving those nasty messages. You are the kind of=20 >people to start street fights and world wars. Keep the peace. Use you're=20 >mind and you're words, not you're fists. I guess you people arent really=20 >hearing what Jewel has to say anyway. Read the front cover of the album.=20 >It states: > "WHAT WE THINK IS HUMAN NATURE IN ACUALITY IS HUMAN HABIT!" > > > ~!@#$%^&*+=3D~?=99%&(not to be rude) C S L H I Fellow Human, O S I T N Arthur J. Henry Moen O E E I ajmoen@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu L N S W ------------------------------ From: Phong Huynh Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:19:41 +0000 ( ) Subject: Re: Jewel @ the Blind Pig Ugh. Jewel will be at The Backstage here in Seattle on Feb. 22 and I can't go b/c it's 21+ (I'm 14)..it's rather depressing;) phong What I learned I rejected, but I believe again I will suffer the consequence of this inquisition If I jump in this fountain, will I be forgiven? -Alanis On Sun, 21 Jan 1996 Hiranya@aol.com wrote: > Jewel HATES playing clubs that arent all ages. > Hiranya > ------------------------------ From: spaceflyer Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 19:19:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: . . . please . . . On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Kerry A Hennigin wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jan 1996 Hiranya@aol.com wrote: > > > On this whole Tori/Jewel thing. Might interest you to know > > that Jewel wrote 'God's Gift to Women' as a Tori Amos > > style song. It was an on purpose canIwriteaToriAmossong > > experiment. > > > > Where in the world did you get that info. I don't believe it for one > second. I'd have to hear it from Jewel's mouth herself to believe that. > Artists don't blatently copy one another and then go and admit it. May I point you to exhibit number one, Elastica's rendition of "Connection," a blatant copy of a song by Wire. And yes, they admitted it. Face it, in music there are influences everywhere. Of course, most bands are not going to admit that they are trying to sound like some other bands, but hey, some do. They are not ashamed of their roots.... we can only hope that they'll take the inspiration to new heights. Not having heard "God's Gift to Women," or having listened to much Tori Amos, I can only hope that Jewel did just that. Also, don't know if anyone cares, but Tori was on MTV's 120 minutes last night. She sounded pretty neat, too. And I don't look like Pooh, either. Dominic ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "And when I stood on my head, the people clapped, they didn't pay a rat's ass worth of attention to this poor bastard with the great song." --Gary Young +Dominic Jules Devito+ +net fiend/critic-at-large+ +ddevito@darwin.cc.nd.edu+ ------------------------------ From: Michael Curry Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 19:16:26 +0001 (EST) Subject: Re: Everyday Angels Services On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Ken Winchenbach wrote: > someone else had called it that. I just felt that the list needs > some sort of name, so we can refer to each other. Just copying some > of the things I've noticed on other lists. If anyone else has > different ideas for names, perhaps we could all discuss it. Actually the person who gets to decide if the list has a name or what that name should be is usally the person who runs the list. :) So what's your opinion Jeff? Mike *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* | Michael Curry / mcurry@world.std.com / CIS: 70372,3563 | |++++++++++++++++++++++++++++smoe+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++| | Reaching-From-Nowhere -- The Milla Mailing List | | reaching-from-nowhere-request@world.std.com | *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:24:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: . . . please . . . On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Kerry A Hennigin wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jan 1996 Hiranya@aol.com wrote: > > > On this whole Tori/Jewel thing. Might interest you to know > > that Jewel wrote 'God's Gift to Women' as a Tori Amos > > style song. It was an on purpose canIwriteaToriAmossong > > experiment. > Where in the world did you get that info. I don't believe it for one > second. I'd have to hear it from Jewel's mouth herself to believe that. Kerry, it might help you to know that Hiranya _is_ our connection to Jewel, and she gets her information directly from Jewel and from Jewel's mother, Lenedra, who is Jewel's manager. Hiranya isn't making stuff up, and I think if you're going to bitch about other people being intolerant of Tori mentions you might not want to be so rude and intolerant of other people. I actually thought most of the don't mention Tori posts were jokes. But here Hiranya was confirming that Jewel has thought about Tori's music and you're incredibly rude to her. > Artists don't blatently copy one another and then go and admit it. Sure, when they're experimenting and learning stuff they do copy one another. Some do it to try to get new fans or sell more music. Jewel was clearly trying to see if she could write a "Tori" song, and this is what she came up with. Jewel is an honest person, and isn't afraid to admit that's how she learns some things. She experiments a lot with singing styles and musical styles. And who said it was a blatant copy anyway? You yourself later say: > Anyway, GGTW sounds nothing like any of Tori's songs and I own them all! > And by the way, for all you baby people out there that can't handle > opinions, Jewel and Tori are alike in many ways, and they are different > in many ways. No one has said they can't handle opinions, but people have said they don't want to get into huge long arguments about how much Jewel does or does not resemble Tori. Go ahead and post your opinions to the list. No one can or will stop you. They may flame you. But PLEASE don't insult Hiranya. If she gets enough abuse on the list she may decide not to stay on the list and we'll lose our closest and most reliable source of information about Jewel. I greatly value Hiranya's time and contributions to the list and I hate the thought of her even having to see the message you just posted. - --Neile ------------------------------ From: Kerry A Hennigin Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 20:07:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: Neile Hiranya. But you see there is a reason. I have recieved messages from this list that have said that Hiranya is not reliable. How am I, or anyone else suppose to know that she has these connections with Jewel? I'm sorry once again to Hiranya, but Jewel's song really doesn't sound like Tori (to me at least.) Neile, You may have thought that those posts were jokes, but they didn't sound like jokes to me and I was quite offended by them. And excuse me if you don't agree about the copying thing, but I never said she was blatently copying a Tori song, I was talking about Tori's style, and according to Hiranya's message that's what Jewel said she was doing. I love Jewel, don't get me wrong, but I don't admire people that copy other people. I have been a musician ever since I was a baby (piano, guitar, and vocals) and I was taught, and believe differently than Jewel. I think I am entitled to my opinion. This is a free country and internet. In response, I think there are a lot of people on this list that can't handle opinions. That's the whole reason why they were fighting about the two artists. And I'm sorry once again to Hiranya, next time maybe she should tell us where she got the info so that people don't question it. I have had many different responses to my message. I expected that. I think I have every right to bitch because of the way things have been going on this list. I joined it to find out about concerts, tv apperances, and magazine articles. Not to fight over how tall Jewel is and to get bitchy messages regarding Tori. Everybody's wires are crossed, they never really know what's going on, so I'll probably be leaving the list soon if things don't get better. Fanzines in paper form are a lot better, are a lot more reliable, and a lot less hassle. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Colin Stuckless Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 21:54:52 -0330 Subject: Re: . . . please . . . Kerry A Hennigin wrote: > On Sat, 20 Jan 1996 Hiranya@aol.com wrote: > > > On this whole Tori/Jewel thing. Might interest you to know > > that Jewel wrote 'God's Gift to Women' as a Tori Amos > > style song. It was an on purpose canIwriteaToriAmossong > > experiment. > > Where in the world did you get that info. I don't believe it for one > second. I'd have to hear it from Jewel's mouth herself to believe that. Kerry, Hiranya is a personal friend of Jewel's family, and has frequent contact with Jewel's mom. She is kind enough to provide us with some of the most direct and accurate information about Jewel, through someone who probably knows more about her than anyone else. It's really sad that it's come to this point so early in the life of this mailing list. I intentionally held back any comments on earlier ramblings that I thought were inappropriate, simply because commenting on them only causes the thread to linger longer with everyone chipping in their own off-topic proverbial 2-cents worth. On this occasion, however, I have to take exception. > Artists don't blatently copy one another and then go and admit it. > Anyway, GGTW sounds nothing like any of Tori's songs and I own them all! > Yes I do own them all. I have spent about $2000 on Tori Amos. I am her I think it's great that you own that much Tori material. Undoubtedly you are a tremendous fan of her work. I only own a single Tori cd, but I've always been a fan of hers, and if Hiranya relays to the list that either Jewel or her mom said that Jewel wrote GGTW to be a Tori-alike song, then I believe her - just what she meant by "Tori sytle" could use some further explanation on the part of Jewel, but certainly it doesn't deserve to provoke the tirade seen in your message. My immediate assumption is that the "anti-male" aspect of the song could be linked to at least one or more of the Tori songs I know of, however I wouldn't say for sure that that's what Jewel (or whoever passed the info to Hiranya) was thinking. > biggest fan. I love Jewel as much as Tori, but Tori's been around since > 1992, and even before that in England 1990, and before that some stuff > here and there. Now Jewel's only been around since 1994, and maybe a > little before. She's not writing a kindalikeTorisong. She's writing a Jewel > song about a real experience that she had while hitch-hiking. > And by the way, for all you baby people out there that can't handle > opinions, Jewel and Tori are alike in many ways, and they are different > in many ways. I think what people are trying to say is that if you like > Jewel, here's someone else you might want to check out that is very > talented just like Jewel. If you fools can't appreciate someone filling > you in on music then why the hell are you on this list?! I thought this > This is called the information super highway and that's what we're > spreading, info about Jewel and a few words about Tori here and there. > Grow up. Stop acting like babies. Stop preaching about stopping the > violence and then leave those "I'LL KILL YOU" messages(HIPOCRITES) and > get a f**#ing life! I often read messages that immediately provoke the kind of hostility Kerry expresses above - here's a tip - write your reply as you normally would but then save a copy of it instead of sending it off to the list. Go blow off some steam and then come back and read your message later - if you still think it's the kind of message that other fellow list memebers would gain from, then by all means send it out. > > A very pissed off Jewel fan because of the > stupidity of human habit, > Kerry > > P.S. > For all you people leaving those nasty messages. You are the kind of > people to start street fights and world wars. Keep the peace. Use you're > mind and you're words, not you're fists. I guess you people arent really > hearing what Jewel has to say anyway. Read the front cover of the album. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I'd like to see Kerry apologise to everyone on the list for this outburst, however as of right now I've decided that the amount of pleasant and/or useful messages has deterioriated to the point where reading this list is no longer an enjoyable task. If anyone has anything that they think I'd appreciate for inclusion on my Jewel web page, please please don't hesitate to forward it to me at colins@cs.mun.ca Take care everybody, Colin Stuckless Jewel Homepage: http://www.cs.mun.ca/~colins/jewel.html ------------------------------ From: Jason Chung Szeto Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:36:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: It's getting a bit hot in here. . . As an old timer here on the list, I must, along with Nelie, throw my support with Hiyranya. She has been extremely informative and helpful. It is her messages that I, and probably many of us, enjoy reading the most. She is what makes this list so special because of her close source of information. Let's try to keep it that way be not being so flame-happy and defensive. In an earlier message Ken mentioned a few ideas that I thought were just what this list needed to help keep its focus. Jason ------------------------------ From: jnt207@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Ju Nguan Tan) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:04:26 -0600 Subject: Plagiarism? >I love Jewel, don't get me wrong, but I don't admire people that copy other >people. Even the best musicians borrow from and imitate other songwriters, often as a way of paying tribute to them. That does not detract from their ability or talent. Also, I don't mean to feed the flame, but has anyone else noticed that Jewel's "Foolish Games" is *very* similar to Joan Baez's "Diamonds and Rust," both lyrically and musically? ------------------------------ From: Jon Held Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:13:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Jewel stuff Hello all! I have been receiving many Jewel msgs with the first line missing. I don't know if it's a prob with the person's email program, or a problem with the mailing list software. Anyone know? Sabra, and all: If I remember correctly, a long long time ago when this list was still young, Jewel herself named our list "Everyday Angels". It was in a short message from her relayed to the list. So, I think this list DOES need a name, and "Everyday Angels" is just dandy, no? Ken, I like your ideas! I agree that giving her food might be risky, as she might not eat it, but if you DO give her food, she seems to like natural-type stuff - fruit, healthy things, etc. Once when I met her, she was eating a plum, and said to me "aren't plums the most beautiful food on earth?" -Jon Held elisheva@netaxs.com DISCLAIMER - These opoi^H^H "dang", ^H, [esc :q :qq !q "narf!" :Q! "Whaddya mean, Not an editor command?" :wq! ^C^C^C !STOP ^bye ^quit :quit! !halt ... ^w^q :!w :wq! ^D :qq!! ^STOP [HALT!...CEASE!!! 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