From: owner-jangle-poets-digest@smoe.org (jangle-poets-digest) To: jangle-poets-digest@smoe.org Subject: jangle-poets-digest V3 #154 Reply-To: jangle-poets@smoe.org Sender: owner-jangle-poets-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-jangle-poets-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk jangle-poets-digest Thursday, September 13 2001 Volume 03 : Number 154 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [JP] trading hate for a lighter load [bern ] [JP] FW: Contact your elected officials -- http://www.americanstory.org/peace/ ["Robert A. Bednarczyk" ] [JP] 525,600 minutes ["Elizabeth (Libby) Wiebel" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:12:06 -0400 From: bern Subject: [JP] trading hate for a lighter load Thanks, Sheila. I needed that. No one says it better than the Kennedys. I hope and pray that this is not the beginning of WW 3. I pray for the souls and hearts of all Americans, especially those here on jangle-poets. Peace be with you all. "In the end it's the only way..." bern, more thankful for TK now than ever before Only $9.95 per month! Sign up in September to win one of 30 Hawaiian Vacations for 2! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 Check out the Kennedys' Official Home Page: http://www.KennedysMusic.com/ Fab photos, the Official tour diary, dashboard Buddha haiku, groovy merchandise...what more could you ask for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:11:43 -0400 From: "Robert A. Bednarczyk" Subject: [JP] FW: Contact your elected officials -- http://www.americanstory.org/peace/ To all Nields Nookers, Janglers, and Equation listers- Sorry for the cross posts. I received this from a good friend of mine - Nikki - some of you may know her through Cos...if not, no big deal. However, she sent this, and I think it is a very good thing to think about, in light of recent happenings. I apologize for any foul language that Nikki may have used in the text of her email, but it isn't really my place to censor her. Please - hope, wish and pray for peace and tolerance in the world. I think right now would be a good time to pick up, or find, a copy of U. Utah Phillips' "I've Got to Know" album, which he made during the Persian Gulf war. Some good stories relating to war and peace and pacifism. Bob >X-Sent: 12 Sep 2001 19:07:29 GMT >From: "Nikolena Moysich" >To: "the smart ones" >Subject: FW: Contact your elected officials -- http://www.americanstory.org/peace/ >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:09:30 -0400 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 >X-RCPT-TO: > >So, in the interest of seeing our great and powerful nation NOT go to war >(or, go to embargo) against afghanistan or any other nation, I've been >writing special happy notes to my congressional representatives. Eli, my >friend & co crew member on the American Story Project, has made a form to >help people who have trouble coming up with the right words to express that >we don't want to fucking crush innocent civilians just because we're mad we >got clobbered. The form is also very useful for finding the right email to >send to for your area, and it includes a place to put your street address >(which is *crucial* to getting the attention of your representative--they >won't listen if they dont' know you're one of their own). > >These emails, calls, and letters DO make a difference. Every original >letter received by an elected representative is an icon for them of a silent >segment of their constituency who is not writing but feels the same way. >Please consider checking out Eli's web form and sending notes to at least >your Senators, who may soon be using tax money from your own paychecks to >finance strikes against civilian populations, or who may soon be enacting >laws to repeal US policy against assassination of foreign leaders, or worse >things. The time to speak up is right now. > >http://www.americanstory.org/peace/ > > -nikki Check out the Kennedys' Official Home Page: http://www.KennedysMusic.com/ Fab photos, the Official tour diary, dashboard Buddha haiku, groovy merchandise...what more could you ask for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:12:15 -0400 From: "Lawlor, Barry" Subject: [JP] RE: Elected officials--Think it through......before you act.... Before we start petitioning our elected official to not retaliate think about what has been done. I don't believe in bringing innocents into this either; as I have heard senior officials, both current and retired say for the past two days. There is a time for retaliation. I pray that we could resolve this peacefully, however, I don't see the peace being kept without a show of force. I believe in all of your rights to write to your elected and ask for no retaliation. I would say thank you for the information as I believe I and others on the list may want to use this information to write to their elected officials to take "proper and effective" action on any terrorist factions involved in this cowardly attack and also the countries that have harbored them and possibly even funded them...so here is the link again. Just clear out the subject line and the subject matter and write your "OWN" thoughts on this subject. >http://www.americanstory.org/peace/ God Bless America, Barry - -----Original Message----- From: Robert A. Bednarczyk [mailto:rabednarczyk@snip.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:12 PM To: nields-nook@listbox.com; jangle-poets@smoe.org; equation@yahoogroups.com Subject: [JP] FW: Contact your elected officials -- http://www.americanstory.org/peace/ To all Nields Nookers, Janglers, and Equation listers- Sorry for the cross posts. I received this from a good friend of mine - Nikki - some of you may know her through Cos...if not, no big deal. However, she sent this, and I think it is a very good thing to think about, in light of recent happenings. I apologize for any foul language that Nikki may have used in the text of her email, but it isn't really my place to censor her. Please - hope, wish and pray for peace and tolerance in the world. I think right now would be a good time to pick up, or find, a copy of U. Utah Phillips' "I've Got to Know" album, which he made during the Persian Gulf war. Some good stories relating to war and peace and pacifism. Bob >X-Sent: 12 Sep 2001 19:07:29 GMT >From: "Nikolena Moysich" >To: "the smart ones" >Subject: FW: Contact your elected officials -- http://www.americanstory.org/peace/ >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:09:30 -0400 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) >Importance: Normal >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 >X-RCPT-TO: > >So, in the interest of seeing our great and powerful nation NOT go to war >(or, go to embargo) against afghanistan or any other nation, I've been >writing special happy notes to my congressional representatives. Eli, my >friend & co crew member on the American Story Project, has made a form to >help people who have trouble coming up with the right words to express that >we don't want to fucking crush innocent civilians just because we're mad we >got clobbered. The form is also very useful for finding the right email to >send to for your area, and it includes a place to put your street address >(which is *crucial* to getting the attention of your representative--they >won't listen if they dont' know you're one of their own). > >These emails, calls, and letters DO make a difference. Every original >letter received by an elected representative is an icon for them of a silent >segment of their constituency who is not writing but feels the same way. >Please consider checking out Eli's web form and sending notes to at least >your Senators, who may soon be using tax money from your own paychecks to >finance strikes against civilian populations, or who may soon be enacting >laws to repeal US policy against assassination of foreign leaders, or worse >things. The time to speak up is right now. > >http://www.americanstory.org/peace/ > > -nikki Check out the Kennedys' Official Home Page: http://www.KennedysMusic.com/ Fab photos, the Official tour diary, dashboard Buddha haiku, groovy merchandise...what more could you ask for? Check out the Kennedys' Official Home Page: http://www.KennedysMusic.com/ Fab photos, the Official tour diary, dashboard Buddha haiku, groovy merchandise...what more could you ask for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:13:02 -0400 From: "Lawlor, Barry" Subject: [JP] RE: Elected officials--Think it through......before you act.... Before we start petitioning our elected official to not retaliate think about what has been done. I don't believe in bringing innocents into this either; as I have heard senior officials, both current and retired say for the past two days. There is a time for retaliation. I pray that we could resolve this peacefully, however, I don't see the peace being kept without a show of force. I believe in all of your rights to write to your elected and ask for no retaliation. I would say thank you for the information as I believe I and others on the list may want to use this information to write to their elected officials to take "proper and effective" action on any terrorist factions involved in this cowardly attack and also the countries that have harbored them and possibly even funded them...so here is the link again. Just clear out the subject line and the subject matter and write your "OWN" thoughts on this subject. >http://www.americanstory.org/peace/ God Bless America, Barry Check out the Kennedys' Official Home Page: http://www.KennedysMusic.com/ Fab photos, the Official tour diary, dashboard Buddha haiku, groovy merchandise...what more could you ask for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:36:26 -0400 From: "Robert A. Bednarczyk" Subject: Re: [JP] RE: Elected officials--Think it through......before you act.... At 04:13 PM 09/12/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Before we start petitioning our elected official to not retaliate think >about what has been done. I don't believe in bringing innocents into this >either; as I have heard senior officials, both current and retired say for >the past two days. There is a time for retaliation. I pray that we could >resolve this peacefully, however, I don't see the peace being kept without a >show of force. My concern with that revolves around my feelings of 'hate begets hate, violence begets violence'. My feelings are very strongly on the side of pacifism. I think that there is a peaceful way to deal with this, however, I am at a loss of ways to make it happen. However, I don't think that nothing should be done. I am in favor of a world court against terrorism, but I don't know how well that will go over. As I believe Nikki's original message said - you can change what is in there. I provided the link as a service, towards my own feelings, with the caveat to do what you want with it. I guess I hope that if nothing else, this will bring about a wave of communication between the masses and our elected leaders, which will hopefully be productive! Bob Check out the Kennedys' Official Home Page: http://www.KennedysMusic.com/ Fab photos, the Official tour diary, dashboard Buddha haiku, groovy merchandise...what more could you ask for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:10:38 EDT From: Poisongold@aol.com Subject: Re: [JP] RE: Elected officials--Think it through......before you act.... Pacifism = love of terrorism. I will never speak to Bob Bednarczyk again. MJC _______________________________________ "Love and mercy is what we need tonight Love and mercy to you and your friends tonight" - Brian Wilson Check out the Kennedys' Official Home Page: http://www.KennedysMusic.com/ Fab photos, the Official tour diary, dashboard Buddha haiku, groovy merchandise...what more could you ask for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:13:18 -0400 From: "Robert A. Bednarczyk" Subject: [JP] Re: FW: Contact... My intent was not to piss people off. All I tried to do was put forth some information that I was sent. All day, listening to the radio and TV, I heard people saying stuff like "nuke 'em" "they deserve to die for what they did" - and I respect those opinions. However, I don't agree with them. If you checked the webpage or read the email, it said that the message was changeable - you weren't held to the canned message on there. Use it to send messages of support to your congresspeople. I am as upset about what happened yesterday as anyone - however, I was just as upset seeing people ready to walk/swim/drive/fly half way around the world to exact street vengence on people who may or may not have been responsible. In a followup message, which never made it out because of some ISP problems, I offered my ideas on where we should go with this - international courts of justice for terrorists and leaders of countries who harbor terrorists rather than mindless slaughter to avenge mindless slaughter. Actual attempts at peace between warring factions (be it Israeli-Palestinian, or Muslim-Christian, or whatever) rather than BS conferences held at Camp David that are designed for failure. To anyone who thinks I am a "horrible, hateful, anti-American motherf***er" for sending that out, so be it. But, read through the message that was on that website - nowhere did it say that we should sit back and wait to get destroyed. What it said was we should be cautious and think through our actions. I, personally, don't think that bombing Afghanistan or any other country will do much good. But, that is my opinion. If you want to hate me for that opinion, do it. But I will still hold my opinions. Again, I apologize to anyone I upset, even though one person has blocked my email address, so this apology and clarification probably won't make it through. Bob Check out the Kennedys' Official Home Page: http://www.KennedysMusic.com/ Fab photos, the Official tour diary, dashboard Buddha haiku, groovy merchandise...what more could you ask for? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:10:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Elizabeth (Libby) Wiebel" Subject: [JP] 525,600 minutes My younger sister sent a message out tonight that just brought tears to my eyes... I ought to stop thinking of her as the "baby" sister... because something like this can't possibly have come from the little girl I used to fight for the purple popsicles with... She was one of the many who knew of my DC connections and frequent trips into the city to work... and one of the first who called/emailed... thanks to her and all of you who have done the same. I am OK and praying that many others I have not yet heard from are OK as well... In any case, I hope my wise little sister doesn't mind that I'm sharing this with you... and I hope you don't mind as it doesn't really have much music content at all. It just hit me particularly hard... as has much of the news of late... and you all on these lists are like a lifeline for me right now... for which I'm very appreciative. Love and light, Libby - -- - --------------------------------- Libby Wiebel | ewiebel@cs.wm.edu http://www.cs.wm.edu/~ewiebel - ----------------------------------------------------- "I don't want to get to the end of my life and find that I just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well." ~ Diane Ackerman - ----------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 16:49:20 -0500 From: Karen Subject: 525,600 minutes Hello all. I hope this email finds you all safe and well. As I sit in my office and attempt to focus my mind and energy on seemingly menial things today, my thoughts continue to drift. I'm listening to the soundtrack to Rent right now, finding more meaning in the words than ever before. I guess that's what inspired this email ... that, and my desperate need to try to make sense of life today. I think that's kind of a universal need right now ... actually, probably always. Anyway, I woke up crying this morning. (I know ... some of you must be shocked :-) !!) As I'm sure it did for so many people, reality sunk in today. Even before I got out of bed, I knew it would be a difficult day ... maybe even moreso than yesterday. Despite the tragedy and the shock and the extreme feeling of helplessness, I think the thing that was most disheartening for me was that I had to face the reality that evil not only exists, but it affects me. Kind of basic, I guess, but really scary. Yeah, I knew this before but I don't think I've ever really felt it before. So, I promised myself, as I cried to my teddy bear (yes I still sleep with Teddy) this morning that I would not allow myself to be afraid. I would face the world without any fear. But the more I thought about this, the more I realized that this was ridiculous. I have a lot of fears in my life. A lot. And many of them are what drive me. I had never admitted this before this morning. Yes, yes, Dr. Magno -- I finally get it (for those of you non-Loras-folk, Dr. Magno teaches Eastern Philosphy, a class in which I challenged EVERYTHING, including the concept that fear is a prime motive). Anyway ... I've spent the majority of the day thinking about what I fear most. I fear that the people that mean most in my life don't know how much I really, really, really love them. I fear that I've misrepresnted myself to others. I fear that I get preoccupied with pettiness. I fear that I will waste even one of the 525,600 minutes given to me each year doing something I'm not proud of. I fear that I've hurt others. I fear that I'll overlook the beauty in something. I fear that I've forgotten to thank someone for their kindness. I fear that I'll miss an opportunity to help someone. I fear that at night I'll look back on my day and see that I didn't give enough or love enough. And the list goes on. Since I can't make any sense out of what is happening in the world, I'm going to focus on this for now. Still seems small in comparison to the world's needs, but it is something I can do -- right here from itty-bitty Ripon, Wisconsin. So damnit, I will let fear drive me. Actually, I think I'll let it be my daily motive. Not the fear of evil ... but the fear that I didn't do my share to counter it. Now, the big question ... why am I telling you all this? I guess I don't really know for sure. Maybe it's because you are amonst those that I fear don't know how important you are in my life. Maybe it's because you've heard so many other "Deep and Incredibly Random Thoughts from Karen" that I thought you'd like the latest. Maybe it's because somehow admitting my fears makes them more real. Maybe it's because I'm feeling the need to put a positive turn on this week. Maybe it's because I expect you all to hold me to this. Please know that I love and miss you all. I think of you much more often than I write or call or visit. I hope you and your loved ones are okay. God bless. Much love, Karen Check out the Kennedys' Official Home Page: http://www.KennedysMusic.com/ Fab photos, the Official tour diary, dashboard Buddha haiku, groovy merchandise...what more could you ask for? ------------------------------ End of jangle-poets-digest V3 #154 **********************************