From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V13 #108 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, February 17 2012 Volume 13 : Number 108 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] PiL [elektrolad ] [idealcopy] Who's 'Happy' now? (PiL redux, not PiL sux) [timothy sasscer ] Re: [idealcopy] Leave it out John [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] Public Image Ltd., 'One Drop' [giluz ] [idealcopy] PiL [timothy sasscer ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 01:43:01 -0800 (PST) From: elektrolad Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PiL Saw them in 2010 and have to agree the band was best when playing Metal Box-era tracks, but the entire show was a joy. Very surprised to hear Open Up. A lot of people thought it was a new track. The band is very good. Wonder if Mr. Lydon may be holding them back? wnd3 Original Tracks and remixes http://soundcloud.com/xj23 ________________________________ From: Brian Smith To: idealcopy Sent: Wednesday, 15 February 2012, 18:14 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PiL Thanks for this, Tim; well spoken and I agree with every word. Does anyone know (off to another topic) if the recently alluded to US tour of Dome is imminent, or even a possibility? thanks, Brian On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:51 PM, timothy sasscer wrote: > sent to keith A accidentally this a.m. (apologies!) > now where it should be... > > Although mildly relieved back in the day when 'Love Song' or 'Rise' temporarily replaced > whatever nonsense was on the tv or radio, I was only and ever a PiL fan. > This is, as Gil Luz points out, the John Lydon Band, not the PiL we knew and loved, and so only related by diluted blood to > fearless innovation of sound and poetry. As such, it seems an inconsequential pop-with-reggae ditty supporting > pseudo-blustery self-promoting lyrics (bringing to mind nothing so much as the difference between it and the song > 'Public Image'). > As a devoted fan of Pil 1-Flowers, I kept my ears open even during the JLB days (most shows and cd's sounded densely boring), > and although missed last year's live shows, have heard (and, via You Tube, seen) enough to know (as all 'old timers' do) > that this crew is actually capable of much more interesting and intriguing work than we've thus far seen. Of course, in the > recent live shows it seemed that most of the best energy was related to Metal Box era material, but I heard snippets of > what suggested (for example) chaotic-Turkish-electro-dub hell, and hoped (perhaps still do) that some of that > experimental/'globetrotting' anarchical glee (or similarly 'out' ideas) might have formed the basis (or at least been > given an airing). > > We'll see....or we won't. Thus far, the title 'Dissapointed' comes to mind. > > > T > > > Thanks to K. for the original posting of the soundcloud, and the authors of previous comments ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 06:02:23 -0500 From: timothy sasscer Subject: [idealcopy] Who's 'Happy' now? (PiL redux, not PiL sux) I am: Wobble and Levine might tour... http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2012/feb/13/jah-wobble-keith-levene-metal-box ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:57:38 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Leave it out John Not even cack. Mediocre. On 15 February 2012 19:35, Ignatius K. Spoons wrote: > i've heard it...and it's cack of the highest order...ah well... > > > ________________________________ > From: Fergus Kelly > To: "idealcopy@smoe.org" > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:46 AM > Subject: [idealcopy] Leave it out John > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:42:52 -0000 > From: "keith a" > > Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Public Image Ltd., > 'One Drop' > > What did I expect? > > > I don't know - PIL was a band who's sound > varied as much as the line-up's so > it could have sounded like anything > really. > > ((( I certainly haven't expected anything much from PiL in many a > long year, but that is just brutal. Bog standard. Flaccid. > > Fergus > > > Label > site: > http://www.roomtemperature.org > > Facebook: > http://facebook.com/fergus.kelly.artist > > Blog: > http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com > > Soundcloud: > http://www.soundcloud.com/fergus-kelly > > Flickr: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ > - -- http://ilike.com/artist/giluz Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:29:25 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Public Image Ltd., 'One Drop' What did you expect? And I don't understand why people treat PIL as a band when they're just hired musicians for Lydon's solo efforts. On 14 February 2012 19:27, keith a wrote: > "Public Image Ltd., "One Drop" - first new song in 20 years. Recorded from > its premiere play on Monday, Feb. 13, 2012, on Steve Lamacq's show on BBC 6 > Music. Will be released on a vinyl-only EP as part of Record Store Day on > April 21, 2012." > > > > > > http://soundcloud.com/slicingupeyeballs/public-image-ltd-one-drop > > > > It's OK. But probably not worth waiting 20 years for! ; ) > - -- http://ilike.com/artist/giluz Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:51:13 -0500 From: timothy sasscer Subject: [idealcopy] PiL sent to keith A accidentally this a.m. (apologies!) now where it should be... Although mildly relieved back in the day when 'Love Song' or 'Rise' temporarily replaced whatever nonsense was on the tv or radio, I was only and ever a PiL fan. This is, as Gil Luz points out, the John Lydon Band, not the PiL we knew and loved, and so only related by diluted blood to fearless innovation of sound and poetry. As such, it seems an inconsequential pop-with-reggae ditty supporting pseudo-blustery self-promoting lyrics (bringing to mind nothing so much as the difference between it and the song 'Public Image'). As a devoted fan of Pil 1-Flowers, I kept my ears open even during the JLB days (most shows and cd's sounded densely boring), and although missed last year's live shows, have heard (and, via You Tube, seen) enough to know (as all 'old timers' do) that this crew is actually capable of much more interesting and intriguing work than we've thus far seen. Of course, in the recent live shows it seemed that most of the best energy was related to Metal Box era material, but I heard snippets of what suggested (for example) chaotic-Turkish-electro-dub hell, and hoped (perhaps still do) that some of that experimental/'globetrotting' anarchical glee (or similarly 'out' ideas) might have formed the basis (or at least been given an airing). We'll see....or we won't. Thus far, the title 'Dissapointed' comes to mind. T Thanks to K. for the original posting of the soundcloud, and the authors of previous comments ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V13 #108 ********************************