From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V13 #107 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, February 16 2012 Volume 13 : Number 107 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Leave it out John [Fergus Kelly ] Re: [idealcopy] Leave it out John ["Ignatius K. Spoons" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] Leave it out John Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:42:52 -0000 From: "keith a" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Public Image Ltd., 'One Drop' What did I expect? I don't know - PIL was a band who's sound varied as much as the line-up's so it could have sounded like anything really. ((( I certainly haven't expected anything much from PiL in many a long year, but that is just brutal. Bog standard. Flaccid. Fergus Label site: http://www.roomtemperature.org Facebook: http://facebook.com/fergus.kelly.artist Blog: http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com Soundcloud: http://www.soundcloud.com/fergus-kelly Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:35:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ignatius K. Spoons" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Leave it out John i've heard it...and it's cack of the highest order...ah well... ________________________________ From: Fergus Kelly To: "idealcopy@smoe.org" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:46 AM Subject: [idealcopy] Leave it out John Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:42:52 -0000 From: "keith a" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Public Image Ltd., 'One Drop' What did I expect? I don't know - PIL was a band who's sound varied as much as the line-up's so it could have sounded like anything really. ((( I certainly haven't expected anything much from PiL in many a long year, but that is just brutal. Bog standard. Flaccid. Fergus Label site: http://www.roomtemperature.org Facebook: http://facebook.com/fergus.kelly.artist Blog: http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com Soundcloud: http://www.soundcloud.com/fergus-kelly Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:14:49 -0500 From: Brian Smith Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PiL Thanks for this, Tim; well spoken and I agree with every word. Does anyone know (off to another topic) if the recently alluded to US tour of Dome is imminent, or even a possibility? thanks, Brian On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:51 PM, timothy sasscer wrote: > sent to keith A accidentally this a.m. (apologies!) > now where it should be... > > Although mildly relieved back in the day when 'Love Song' or 'Rise' > temporarily replaced > whatever nonsense was on the tv or radio, I was only and ever a PiL > fan. > This is, as Gil Luz points out, the John Lydon Band, not the PiL we > knew and loved, and so only related by diluted blood to > fearless innovation of sound and poetry. As such, it seems an > inconsequential pop-with-reggae ditty supporting > pseudo-blustery self-promoting lyrics (bringing to mind nothing so > much as the difference between it and the song > 'Public Image'). > As a devoted fan of Pil 1-Flowers, I kept my ears open even during > the JLB days (most shows and cd's sounded densely boring), > and although missed last year's live shows, have heard (and, via You > Tube, seen) enough to know (as all 'old timers' do) > that this crew is actually capable of much more interesting and > intriguing work than we've thus far seen. Of course, in the > recent live shows it seemed that most of the best energy was related > to Metal Box era material, but I heard snippets of > what suggested (for example) chaotic-Turkish-electro-dub hell, and > hoped (perhaps still do) that some of that > experimental/'globetrotting' anarchical glee (or similarly 'out' > ideas) might have formed the basis (or at least been > given an airing). > > We'll see....or we won't. Thus far, the title 'Dissapointed' comes > to mind. > > > T > > > Thanks to K. for the original posting of the soundcloud, and the > authors of previous comments ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V13 #107 ********************************