From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V12 #22 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, February 21 2010 Volume 12 : Number 022 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF THE SNOW ANGEL [Keith Knight Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF THE SNOW ANGEL On 18 Feb 2010, at 22:22, keith a wrote: > I'd never been to a gig in Wolverhampton before, You should try being a VdGG Keith - I spend half my life in the place. Hammill's going there again in May, gah. Recently tabbed as the most depressed high street in Britain or some such. Enjoyed the review! another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:31:31 +0000 (GMT) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF THE SNOW ANGEL blimey keith , there's a lot worse places than wolverhampton. not saying it's the 8th wonder of the world but there's plenty of decent pubs , bars , venues etc and i've had numerous good nights out there over the years. in the mid-90's they overhauled the wolves civic hall and took loads of gigs away from birmingham (which had the pretty crummy hummingbird/academy as the only serious mid-size venue) and it became probably the main west mids venue. maybe the high street is just anytown but that applies to most places in the UK now , if you go slightly away from that there are some OK haunts. mind you , this all provably changes now as there is a new Birmingham Academy now (they've allegedly spent #5M refitting an old chicken-in-the-basket niteclub , having been in there i'm not quite sure how) , and i guess this complex will pull a lot of the gigs away from Wolves. the place you saw the gales is a new venue , the old Little Civic got closed down late last year. not been there yet , the old version was great. does PH play the big arena or the smaller Wulfun Hall? i suspect the latter........ p ________________________________ From: Keith Knight To: Idealcopy Sent: Saturday, 20 February, 2010 11:13:46 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF THE SNOW ANGEL On 18 Feb 2010, at 22:22, keith a wrote: > I'd never been to a gig in Wolverhampton before, You should try being a VdGG Keith - I spend half my life in the place. Hammill's going there again in May, gah. Recently tabbed as the most depressed high street in Britain or some such. Enjoyed the review! another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:16:06 +0000 From: Keith Knight Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF THE SNOW ANGEL It's the fact that I've had to stay there overnight a couple of times I think - - there are better places to while away a few hours, including Leamington Spa where Hammill played last month (The Assembly, a pretty good venue). Yes, VdGG and PH solo appear in the Wulfrun Hall - I think VdGG were slated to play the larger hall but got bumped for someone bigger. Admittedly Wolves is no worse than Luton - but it has been voted the fifth worst city in the world by Lonely Planet: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6911628/Wolverhampton-voted-fifth-wors t-city-in-the-world.html another the Keith On 20 Feb 2010, at 15:31, PAUL RABJOHN wrote: > blimey keith , there's a lot worse places than wolverhampton. not saying it's the 8th wonder of the world but there's plenty of decent pubs , bars , venues etc and i've had numerous good nights out there over the years. in the mid-90's they overhauled the wolves civic hall and took loads of gigs away from birmingham (which had the pretty crummy hummingbird/academy as the only serious mid-size venue) and it became probably the main west mids venue. maybe the high street is just anytown but that applies to most places in the UK now , if you go slightly away from that there are some OK haunts. > > mind you , this all provably changes now as there is a new Birmingham Academy now (they've allegedly spent #5M refitting an old chicken-in-the-basket niteclub , having been in there i'm not quite sure how) , and i guess this complex will pull a lot of the gigs away from Wolves. the place you saw the gales is a new venue , the old Little Civic got closed down late last year. not been there yet , the old version was great. > > does PH play the big arena or the smaller Wulfun Hall? i suspect the latter........ > > p > > From: Keith Knight > To: Idealcopy > Sent: Saturday, 20 February, 2010 11:13:46 > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF THE SNOW ANGEL > > On 18 Feb 2010, at 22:22, keith a wrote: > > > I'd never been to a gig in Wolverhampton before, > > You should try being a VdGG Keith - I spend half my life in the place. Hammill's going there again in May, gah. Recently tabbed as the most depressed high street in Britain or some such. > > Enjoyed the review! > > another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:32:04 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF TH I do recall one evening out in Wolverhampton starting with the edifying sight of two blokes having a good, old-fashioned punch-up outside the kebab house, in broad daylight, at about 6pm. But usually a good night out. The ageing grey-mulleted Black Country rock fans are appreciative in general. Some decent grotty venues too, like the Bilston Robin, and the Stourbridge Rock Cafe. Often figure on Fall tours. M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:33:28 +0000 (GMT) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF THE SNOW ANGEL hmmm , so wolves is better than LA but they're both worse than Luton. that's an interesting yardstick being used there that i fear many might quibble with. hate to cast aspertions upon the size of the PH massive Keith , but bands generally get bumped from the Civic to the Wulfrun when it turns out their appeal is a little more selective than the promoter initially envisaged (or vice versa - i saw a great Spiritualized gig get upgraded to the big venue). whereas at the Brum academy if sales proved sluggish they stuck the band on in the bar - might sound duff but actually a real result when you get to see someone much closer than you'd dared hope (eg GO4 , stereolab in recent times , both curiously unappealing to the brum fanbase for no obvious reason) not got to that leamington venue either , it only opened about last autumn. how big is it? p ________________________________ From: Keith Knight To: PAUL RABJOHN Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, 20 February, 2010 17:16:06 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF THE SNOW ANGEL It's the fact that I've had to stay there overnight a couple of times I think - - there are better places to while away a few hours, including Leamington Spa where Hammill played last month (The Assembly, a pretty good venue). Yes, VdGG and PH solo appear in the Wulfrun Hall - I think VdGG were slated to play the larger hall but got bumped for someone bigger. Admittedly Wolves is no worse than Luton - but it has been voted the fifth worst city in the world by Lonely Planet: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6911628/Wolverhampton-voted-fifth-wors t-city-in-the-world.html another the Keith On 20 Feb 2010, at 15:31, PAUL RABJOHN wrote: > blimey keith , there's a lot worse places than wolverhampton. not saying it's the 8th wonder of the world but there's plenty of decent pubs , bars , venues etc and i've had numerous good nights out there over the years. in the mid-90's they overhauled the wolves civic hall and took loads of gigs away from birmingham (which had the pretty crummy hummingbird/academy as the only serious mid-size venue) and it became probably the main west mids venue. maybe the high street is just anytown but that applies to most places in the UK now , if you go slightly away from that there are some OK haunts. > > mind you , this all provably changes now as there is a new Birmingham Academy now (they've allegedly spent #5M refitting an old chicken-in-the-basket niteclub , having been in there i'm not quite sure how) , and i guess this complex will pull a lot of the gigs away from Wolves. the place you saw the gales is a new venue , the old Little Civic got closed down late last year. not been there yet , the old version was great. > > does PH play the big arena or the smaller Wulfun Hall? i suspect the latter........ > > p > > From: Keith Knight > To: Idealcopy > Sent: Saturday, 20 February, 2010 11:13:46 > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] THE NIGHTINGALES / HOTPANTS ROMANCE / GUILTY PLEASURES OF THE SNOW ANGEL > > On 18 Feb 2010, at 22:22, keith a wrote: > > > I'd never been to a gig in Wolverhampton before, > > You should try being a VdGG Keith - I spend half my life in the place. Hammill's going there again in May, gah. Recently tabbed as the most depressed high street in Britain or some such. > > Enjoyed the review! > > another the Keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V12 #22 *******************************