From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V11 #146 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 16 2009 Volume 11 : Number 146 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia ["Keith" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:54:06 +0100 From: "Keith" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia And at 9.00pm on the 23rd of October BBC 4 are showing 'Krautrock: the Rebirth Of Germany' followed by 'Kraftwerk: Minimum-Maximum' http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcmusic/2009/10/my_krautrock_adventures_on_the.html - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Ideal Copy" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:13 AM Subject: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia > This Friday on BB4: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n93c4 > > Looks veryp promising, and a long overdue 'proper' documentary on this > subject. Obviously Depeche, Human league, OMD etc but the fact that > Throbbing Gristle, John Foxx and the Cabs are on there too suggests > they've done their research. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:10:04 +0100 From: "Bruno Clements" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Remasters How strange that they would want to compress the 2004 masters - I played Autobahn (2004) today on the basis that it might sound compressed and that that was what they were trying to improve on... but it sounds good to me. Midnight, which I've tended to skip over before, seems to have been an inspiration for Bowie's instrumentals on Heroes... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "elektrolad" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:46 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Remasters >I have both Beatles box sets and the mono mixes are the way to go. > Probably cause we never had these in the US when I was growing up. The > stereo > versions do sound better than the previous issues. After all, they did > spend > four years cleaning up the master tapes. > > The Kraftwerk remasters are a different story. I compared Spacelab from > 1978, > 2004 & 2009. The 2009 version has been brick-walled. 2004 version sounds > the > best to me, but both of these are slightly faster than the 1978 version. > 123.50 bpm to 123.19 bpm. So it seems like they just took the 2004 > remasters > and compressed the hell out of them. > waveforms - http://tinyurl.com/ygvhqdx > bpm - http://tinyurl.com/yhkurav > and yes I do have the 2004 remasters set, not copies or mp3s. > > wnd3 > > > > You are receiving this email because I sent it to you. > > Musik http://www.myspace.com/elektrolad > Official web site http://elektrolad.com > > --- On Wed, 14/10/09, Bruno Clements > wrote: > > > From: Bruno Clements > Subject: Re: Beatles MONO (was Re: [idealcopy] Spotify) > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 7:28 AM > > > Thanks for those links, very interesting, and explains why you can't swing > the balance off to left or right on mono without it sounding like it's > coming from just one speaker source... > > Kraftwerk are on the remastering/issue trail too - wonder if they've > finally > approved the versions that were done a few years ago or have had some > boffins take another 'look'. > > http://pitchfork.com/news/36214-kraftwerk-announce-massive-eight-disc-box-set > -reissue-series/ > > Bruno > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Pietromonaco" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:55 AM > Subject: Beatles MONO (was Re: [idealcopy] Spotify) > > >> (oops - sent too soon! Remastered!!!!! ) >> >>> am digging the beatles RMs....i'm a bit of a mono man myself and love >>> the >>> mono box in particular. the sound is incredible and i although i would >>> usually answer the 1st lp was great but it was all down hill after >>> that.........i've been having a good time just sort of tripping out with >>> the >>> stuff while doing the sihes, dirt, and general chores. bless the dole >>> in >>> america! >>> >> >> I really want these. I missed out on the first round of the Mono boxes - >> they sold out in Seattle on pre-orders alone. Looks like it will be >> re-released in America Oct. 31st. >> >> The stereo remasters are great, I'm sure. But - there is some additional >> modern "peak" compression on them vs. the original master tapes. It's >> slight - but it's there. According to interviews, they couldn't add this >> type of peak compression to the Mono masters - it destroyed the sound. >> >> From: >> > http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/09/04/beatles.masters.remasters.pdf >> >> "CNN: Does that make it harder to do what you were doing? >> >> Magee: Absolutely, the cause, or rather the effect, of only a tiny amount >> of >> EQ makes a hell of a difference in mono. Whereas in stereo everything has >> space, in the >> mono it's right dead center. The thing that surprised me about the monos >> was how good >> they actually sounded and how well-mixed and well-balanced they were. >> They >> actually had a feeling of space and depth." >> >> and.... >> >> "We have treated the stereos and monos just slightly differently in the >> sense >> that we think the stereos are going to the product that is going to sell >> the most, >> because most people are into stereo -- but obviously the collectors and >> people who grew >> up in the '60s are going to be more familiar with the monos. >> >> So from that point of view, one of the things that is a contentious audio >> problem today is limiting, "brick-wall limiting," which is making the >> music as loud as you >> possibly can. And you make it louder than somebody else's so yours sticks >> out a little bit >> more. For something like the Beatles, a band from the '60s, it would have >> been >> inappropriate to have given it that treatment, but we have made them >> slightly louder. So that >> they are at least slightly contemporary for today but certainly not as >> loud as the >> more contemporary bands. But the monos we haven't, for example. The monos >> remain >> unlimited." >> >> And - indeed - the original stereo CDs are not limited either. I'm >> trying >> to find my original source, but I found this one: >> http://goodrob13.com/2009/09/14/beatles-review-abbey-road-remastered-cd/ >> >> ah - here it is: >> http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13425-stereo-box-in-mono/ >> >> and - hey - what do you know? A Wire reference. The link above >> cross-references this link: >> > http://pitchfork.com/features/guest-lists/5877-wire-desert-island-discs-as-of > -181002-and-of-that-date-only/ >> >> Cheers, >> Paul > This email has been scanned for viruses and other threats using > Newsquest's > Ironport email filters. > > This document is private and confidential. > All property, copyright and other rights in it and its contents belong to > Newsquest Media GroupLimited. > It must not be read, copied, disclosed or otherwise used without > Newsquestbs > authorisation. Newsquest may exercise its legal rights and remedies in the > event of any such unauthorised use. > > Newsquest Media Group Limited. > Registered in England, number 3105111. > Registered office: 58 Church Street, Weybridge, Surrey KT13 8DP. This email has been scanned for viruses and other threats using Newsquest's Ironport email filters. This document is private and confidential. 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Registered office: 58 Church Street, Weybridge, Surrey KT13 8DP. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:38:24 +0100 From: "Bruno Clements" Subject: Re: Beatles MONO (was Re: [idealcopy] Spotify) It would be a bit tricky to give an accurate verdict on the fullness of sound just based on MP3s though as it is a lossy compression method... at least with Apple's compression system there wouldn't be any breaks between tracks. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "bSirius" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:34 PM Subject: Re: Beatles MONO (was Re: [idealcopy] Spotify) > they've all been posted in newsgroups for the downloading complete with > art. i, of course, don't condone it but it is there. > alt.binaries.beatles.mp3s or something to that effect This email has been scanned for viruses and other threats using Newsquest's Ironport email filters. This document is private and confidential. 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Registered office: 58 Church Street, Weybridge, Surrey KT13 8DP. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:19:59 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: Beatles MONO (was Re: [idealcopy] Spotify) Unless they are lossless flac or off On Oct 15, 2009, at 7:38 AM, "Bruno Clements" wrote: > It would be a bit tricky to give an accurate verdict on the fullness > of > sound just based on MP3s though as it is a lossy compression > method... at > least with Apple's compression system there wouldn't be any breaks > between > tracks. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bSirius" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:34 PM > Subject: Re: Beatles MONO (was Re: [idealcopy] Spotify) > > >> they've all been posted in newsgroups for the downloading complete >> with >> art. i, of course, don't condone it but it is there. >> alt.binaries.beatles.mp3s or something to that effect > This email has been scanned for viruses and other threats using > Newsquest's > Ironport email filters. > > This document is private and confidential. > All property, copyright and other rights in it and its contents > belong to > Newsquest Media GroupLimited. > It must not be read, copied, disclosed or otherwise used without > Newsquestbs > authorisation. Newsquest may exercise its legal rights and remedies > in the > event of any such unauthorised use. > > Newsquest Media Group Limited. > Registered in England, number 3105111. > Registered office: 58 Church Street, Weybridge, Surrey KT13 8DP. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:16:27 -0700 From: Rick Hindman Subject: [idealcopy] One possible reason Wire has been so quiet lately... Looks like Githead is starting to venture out into the touring world. http://www.githead.com/gigs.html Got my fingers & toes crossed that they'll make it to the western US this time! Rick Hindman, Web and Print Guy RJH Graphics Tel: (408) 771-3760 Fax: (408) 516-5896 www.rjhgraphics.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:59:00 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia Blimey that's going to be a keeper - I never thought I'd see the day when there would be a Krautrock documentary on telly. On the subject anyone else going to see Cluster supporting Tortoise at the RFH on 22 Nov? (sorry, I realise this is a resounding 'no' from anyone out of reach of London). I have no real interest in Tortoise but the thought of Cluster live was too good to pass up. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: 15 October 2009 11:54 To: Tim; Ideal Copy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia And at 9.00pm on the 23rd of October BBC 4 are showing 'Krautrock: the Rebirth Of Germany' followed by 'Kraftwerk: Minimum-Maximum' http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcmusic/2009/10/my_krautrock_adventures_on_the.h tml - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Ideal Copy" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:13 AM Subject: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia > This Friday on BB4: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n93c4 > > Looks veryp promising, and a long overdue 'proper' documentary on this > subject. Obviously Depeche, Human league, OMD etc but the fact that > Throbbing Gristle, John Foxx and the Cabs are on there too suggests > they've done their research. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:50:23 +0100 From: "steven mochrie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] One possible reason Wire has been so quiet lately... Possibly more in Febuary?? I posed the question on facebook and got a quick and possitive reply. Here,s hoping. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Hindman" To: Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: [idealcopy] One possible reason Wire has been so quiet lately... > Looks like Githead is starting to venture out into the touring world. > > http://www.githead.com/gigs.html > > Got my fingers & toes crossed that they'll make it to the western US > this time! > > Rick Hindman, Web and Print Guy > RJH Graphics > Tel: (408) 771-3760 > Fax: (408) 516-5896 > www.rjhgraphics.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:56:30 +0100 From: "Keith" Subject: [idealcopy] Krautrock - The Rebirth of Germany - BBC Four (Was BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia) It looks good, too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFFHKeVrNg - ---- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" To: "'Keith'" ; "'Ideal Copy'" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia Blimey that's going to be a keeper - I never thought I'd see the day when there would be a Krautrock documentary on telly. On the subject anyone else going to see Cluster supporting Tortoise at the RFH on 22 Nov? (sorry, I realise this is a resounding 'no' from anyone out of reach of London). I have no real interest in Tortoise but the thought of Cluster live was too good to pass up. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: 15 October 2009 11:54 To: Tim; Ideal Copy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia And at 9.00pm on the 23rd of October BBC 4 are showing 'Krautrock: the Rebirth Of Germany' followed by 'Kraftwerk: Minimum-Maximum' http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcmusic/2009/10/my_krautrock_adventures_on_the.h tml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:13:53 -0700 From: Rick Hindman Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Krautrock - The Rebirth of Germany - BBC Four (Was BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia) Damn! It says I can't access it here due to copyright limitations. Will the US ever be able to know about krautrock?!? Rick Hindman, Web and Print Guy RJH Graphics Tel: (408) 771-3760 Fax: (408) 516-5896 www.rjhgraphics.com Keith wrote: > It looks good, too. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFFHKeVrNg > > > > ---- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Knight" > > To: "'Keith'" ; "'Ideal Copy'" > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:59 PM > Subject: RE: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia > > > > Blimey that's going to be a keeper - I never thought I'd see the day when > there would be a Krautrock documentary on telly. > > On the subject anyone else going to see Cluster supporting Tortoise at > the > RFH on 22 Nov? (sorry, I realise this is a resounding 'no' from anyone > out > of reach of London). I have no real interest in Tortoise but the > thought of > Cluster live was too good to pass up. > > Another the Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On > Behalf > Of Keith > Sent: 15 October 2009 11:54 > To: Tim; Ideal Copy > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia > > > And at 9.00pm on the 23rd of October BBC 4 are showing 'Krautrock: the > Rebirth Of Germany' followed by 'Kraftwerk: Minimum-Maximum' > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcmusic/2009/10/my_krautrock_adventures_on_the.h > > tml > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.19/2438 - Release Date: 10/15/09 12:02:00 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: elektrolad Subject: [idealcopy] RE: K-rock Got this dvd a while ago, Kraftwerk And The Electronic Revolution, seems to be more of a k-rock history than strictly Kraftwerk. You are receiving this email because I sent it to you. Musik http://www.myspace.com/elektrolad Official web site http://elektrolad.com - --- On Thu, 15/10/09, Keith Knight wrote: From: Keith Knight Subject: RE: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia To: "'Keith'" , "'Ideal Copy'" Date: Thursday, 15 October, 2009, 4:59 PM Blimey that's going to be a keeper - I never thought I'd see the day when there would be a Krautrock documentary on telly. On the subject anyone else going to see Cluster supporting Tortoise at the RFH on 22 Nov? (sorry, I realise this is a resounding 'no' from anyone out of reach of London). I have no real interest in Tortoise but the thought of Cluster live was too good to pass up. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: 15 October 2009 11:54 To: Tim; Ideal Copy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia And at 9.00pm on the 23rd of October BBC 4 are showing 'Krautrock: the Rebirth Of Germany' followed by 'Kraftwerk: Minimum-Maximum' http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcmusic/2009/10/my_krautrock_adventures_on_the.h tml - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Ideal Copy" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:13 AM Subject: [idealcopy] BBC 4 Friday Synth Britannia > This Friday on BB4: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00n93c4 > > Looks veryp promising, and a long overdue 'proper' documentary on this > subject. Obviously Depeche, Human league, OMD etc but the fact that > Throbbing Gristle, John Foxx and the Cabs are on there too suggests > they've done their research. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V11 #146 ********************************