From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V11 #144 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 14 2009 Volume 11 : Number 144 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Spotify ["Bruno Clements" ] Re: [idealcopy] Spotify [Ari ] Fwd: [idealcopy] Spotify [james bondage ] RE: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book ["Keith Knight" ] [idealcopy] dickie peterson [james bondage ] Re: [idealcopy] Spotify (Pandora) [eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book [giluz ] [idealcopy] I wormed my way into the heart of the crowd [Fergus Kelly Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify The ads are a drag but I tend to whip my headphones off and go and grab some tea/coffee at that point. I think I'm right in saying that your computer 'plays' the music, rather than downloads it, so if you copy it you are not getting a first-generation digits... bit like copying a vinyl record onto cassette tape, it won't sound as good as it could. Talking about better sound, has anyone else had a chance to listen to some of the Beatles remasters? Have to say that the Abbey Road/the White album (well the bits I like and have always liked) blow your socks off. Seems an exemplary remastering job to me. B PS Replay Music 3 will record streamed music. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: "Ideal Copy" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify > It's like listening to a really annoying local radio station with awful > adverts except you get to choose the cool music! > > Much ado about whether the business model works, and I believe Spotify > hasn't yet made any money (not enough ad revenue, not enough paid > subscribers). > > I'm surprised the illegal download crew havent taken to it more since its > far less faff than searching tatty websites looking for stuff, and lets > face it illegal downloading is essentially driven by laziness and a desire > to get something for nothing which Spotify delivers. > > The biggie is whether the iphone version takes off..no need for an itunes > library on yer ipod just dial up what you want.... This email has been scanned for viruses and other threats using Newsquest's Ironport email filters. This document is private and confidential. All property, copyright and other rights in it and its contents belong to Newsquest Media GroupLimited. It must not be read, copied, disclosed or otherwise used without Newsquestbs authorisation. Newsquest may exercise its legal rights and remedies in the event of any such unauthorised use. Newsquest Media Group Limited. Registered in England, number 3105111. Registered office: 58 Church Street, Weybridge, Surrey KT13 8DP. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:23:36 -0700 From: james bondage Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify am digging the beatles RMs....i'm a bit of a mono man myself and love the mono box in particular. the sound is incredible and i although i would usually answer the 1st lp was great but it was all down hill after that.........i've been having a good time just sort of tripping out with the stuff while doing the sihes, dirt, and general chores. bless the dole in america! On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Bruno Clements < bclements@wiltshire.newsquest.co.uk> wrote: > The ads are a drag but I tend to whip my headphones off and go and grab > some > tea/coffee at that point. > > I think I'm right in saying that your computer 'plays' the music, rather > than downloads it, so if you copy it you are not getting a first-generation > digits... bit like copying a vinyl record onto cassette tape, it won't > sound > as good as it could. > > Talking about better sound, has anyone else had a chance to listen to some > of the Beatles remasters? Have to say that the Abbey Road/the White album > (well the bits I like and have always liked) blow your socks off. Seems an > exemplary remastering job to me. > > B > > PS Replay Music 3 will record streamed music. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim" > To: "Ideal Copy" > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify > > > > It's like listening to a really annoying local radio station with awful > > adverts except you get to choose the cool music! > > > > Much ado about whether the business model works, and I believe Spotify > > hasn't yet made any money (not enough ad revenue, not enough paid > > subscribers). > > > > I'm surprised the illegal download crew havent taken to it more since its > > far less faff than searching tatty websites looking for stuff, and lets > > face it illegal downloading is essentially driven by laziness and a > desire > > to get something for nothing which Spotify delivers. > > > > The biggie is whether the iphone version takes off..no need for an itunes > > library on yer ipod just dial up what you want.... > This email has been scanned for viruses and other threats using Newsquest's > Ironport email filters. > > This document is private and confidential. > All property, copyright and other rights in it and its contents belong to > Newsquest Media GroupLimited. > It must not be read, copied, disclosed or otherwise used without Newsquestb > s > authorisation. Newsquest may exercise its legal rights and remedies in the > event of any such unauthorised use. > > Newsquest Media Group Limited. > Registered in England, number 3105111. > Registered office: 58 Church Street, Weybridge, Surrey KT13 8DP. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify >> the sound is incredible and i although i would usually answer the 1st lp was great but it was all down hill after that.........<< QUE!!!!!????? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:14:37 -0700 From: james bondage Subject: Fwd: [idealcopy] Spotify - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: james bondage Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify To: Ari when i was touring every college radio station would ask what do you think of led zeppelin, the beatles, the remains, etc. the stock answer was....1st lp was great...........blah blah blah On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Ari wrote: > > >> the sound is incredible and i although i would > usually answer the 1st lp was great but it was all down hill after > that.........<< > QUE!!!!!????? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:30:49 +0100 From: "Keith Knight" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book Which reminds me - Dave Simpson's The Fallen was available in Fopp for #4 in hardback a couple of weeks ago. Well worth a read. Another the Keith - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: 13 October 2009 01:06 To: Idealcopy Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book Gotta be worth picking up the inevitable remainder stock when it turns up in Fopp then. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:48:39 -0700 From: james bondage Subject: [idealcopy] dickie peterson Dickie Peterson, Blue Cheer Bassist/Singer, Dies at 61October 12, 2009 8:02 p.m. by Ethan Stanislawski Rock 'n' roll lost a legend today, as Dickie Peterson, the singer and bassist for pioneering metal band Blue Cheer, died in Germany this morning. He had been battling cancer for several months. Blue Cheer, one of the original rock power trios, are often cited as one of the first heavy metal bands. Chronology aside, Blue Cheer's debut album *Vincebus Eruptum, *as well as the band's cover of Eddie Cochran's "Summertime Blues," area landmarks of hard rock in the pre-Zeppelin era. Blue Cheer also stood in stark contrast to their native San Francisco, still recovering from the summer of love in 1968. Jim Morrisson once calledBlue Cheer "The single most powerful band I've ever seen." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:14:29 -0400 From: eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify (Pandora) There are ads on Pandora now, one after about every 5 or 6 songs. I still listen anyway. It's great to get all songs you like on "the radio" and when it veers too far off and I've used up my "thumbs down" for the day, I just switch stations. - -another the Paul - -----Original Message----- From: Ari To: Tim ; Ideal Copy Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify Pandora doesn't advertise but makes it's money on c.d sales, a better idea I think, as for listening on your iphone, wouldn't that be a bit costly? I listen to 'broadcast' radio on my mp3 player and it doesn't cost a thing, furthermore I never listen to radio stations that do advertise, over here they're pretty much owned by one company (clearwater) :long live student radio, check out wxyc online, the format is as varied as the announcers that volunteer to host a show. Keep your computer 'on time' with this (free) app. http://download.cnet.com/Atomic-Clock-Sync/3000-18512_4-14844.html?tag=feed&subj= =rss.: ________________________________ From: Tim To: Ideal Copy Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 8:00:36 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify It's like listening to a really annoying local radio station with awful adverts except you get to choose the cool music! Much ado about whether the business model works, and I believe Spotify hasn't yet made any money (not enough ad revenue, not enough paid subscribers). I'm surprised the illegal download crew havent taken to it more since its far less faff than searching tatty websites looking for stuff, and lets face it illegal downloading is essentially driven by laziness and a desire to get something for nothing which Spotify delivers. The biggie is whether the iphone version takes off..no need for an itunes library on yer ipod just dial up what you want.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:43:31 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book Certainly worth a read, especially for some hillarious Fall stories, but Simpson's attempt to describe his own personal crusade locating the Fallen is a seirous drawback, deriving mainly from the fact that he is such a boring person. His writing isn't much inspirational as well, and the book (like most music books) suffers from serious fandom attitude. giluz 2009/10/13 Keith Knight > Which reminds me - Dave Simpson's The Fallen was available in Fopp for #4 > in > hardback a couple of weeks ago. Well worth a read. > > Another the Keith > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Tim > Sent: 13 October 2009 01:06 > To: Idealcopy > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book > > > Gotta be worth picking up the inevitable remainder stock when it turns > up in Fopp then. > - -- http://ilike.com/artist/giluz Now playing: http://www.last.fm/user/giluz/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Fergus Kelly Subject: [idealcopy] I wormed my way into the heart of the crowd Blimey, but Magazine were *on fire* on Jools Holland's show tonight, with Shot By Both Sides sounding incredibly tight, fresh and urgent. Inspiring stuff. Roll on Friday for a couple more ! Fergus New CDs out now ! http://www.roomtemperature.org http://www.asullenrelapse.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/ferguskellyrecordings http://www.flickr.com/photos/55867717@N00/sets/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:51:24 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Beatles MONO (was Re: [idealcopy] Spotify) > am digging the beatles RMs....i'm a bit of a mono man myself and love the > mono box in particular. the sound is incredible and i although i would > usually answer the 1st lp was great but it was all down hill after > that.........i've been having a good time just sort of tripping out with > the > stuff while doing the sihes, dirt, and general chores. bless the dole in > america! > I really want these. I missed out on the first round of the Mono boxes - they sold out in Seattle on pre-orders alone. Looks like it will be re-released in America Oct. 31st. The stereo remasters are great, I'm sure. But - there is some additional modern "peak" compression on them vs. the original master tapes. It's slight - but it's there. According to interviews, they couldn't add this type of peak compression to the Mono masters - it destroyed the sound. From: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/09/04/beatles.masters.remasters.pdf CNN: Does that make it harder to do what you were doing? Magee: Absolutely, the cause, or rather the effect, of only a tiny amount of EQ makes a hell of a difference in mono. Whereas in stereo everything has space, in the mono it's right dead center. The thing that surprised me about the monos was how good they actually sounded and how well-mixed and well-balanced they were. They actually had a feeling of space and depth. and.... We have treated the stereos and monos just slightly differently in the sense that we think the stereos are going to the product that is going to sell the most, because most people are into stereo -- but obviously the collectors and people who grew up in the '60s are going to be more familiar with the monos. So from that point of view, one of the things that is a contentious audio problem today is limiting, "brick-wall limiting," which is making the music as loud as you possibly can. And you make it louder than somebody else's so yours sticks out a little bit more. For something like the Beatles, a band from the '60s, it would have been inappropriate to have given it that treatment, but we have made them slightly louder. So that they are at least slightly contemporary for today but certainly not as loud as the more contemporary bands. But the monos we haven't, for example. The monos remain unlimited. And - indeed - the original stereo CDs are not limited either. I'm trying to find my original source, but I found this one: http://goodrob13.com/2009/09/14/beatles-review-abbey-road-remastered-cd/ ah - here it is: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:55:26 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Beatles MONO (was Re: [idealcopy] Spotify) (oops - sent too soon! Remastered!!!!! ) > am digging the beatles RMs....i'm a bit of a mono man myself and love the > mono box in particular. the sound is incredible and i although i would > usually answer the 1st lp was great but it was all down hill after > that.........i've been having a good time just sort of tripping out with > the > stuff while doing the sihes, dirt, and general chores. bless the dole in > america! > I really want these. I missed out on the first round of the Mono boxes - they sold out in Seattle on pre-orders alone. Looks like it will be re-released in America Oct. 31st. The stereo remasters are great, I'm sure. But - there is some additional modern "peak" compression on them vs. the original master tapes. It's slight - but it's there. According to interviews, they couldn't add this type of peak compression to the Mono masters - it destroyed the sound. From: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/09/04/beatles.masters.remasters.pdf "CNN: Does that make it harder to do what you were doing? Magee: Absolutely, the cause, or rather the effect, of only a tiny amount of EQ makes a hell of a difference in mono. Whereas in stereo everything has space, in the mono it's right dead center. The thing that surprised me about the monos was how good they actually sounded and how well-mixed and well-balanced they were. They actually had a feeling of space and depth." and.... "We have treated the stereos and monos just slightly differently in the sense that we think the stereos are going to the product that is going to sell the most, because most people are into stereo -- but obviously the collectors and people who grew up in the '60s are going to be more familiar with the monos. So from that point of view, one of the things that is a contentious audio problem today is limiting, "brick-wall limiting," which is making the music as loud as you possibly can. And you make it louder than somebody else's so yours sticks out a little bit more. For something like the Beatles, a band from the '60s, it would have been inappropriate to have given it that treatment, but we have made them slightly louder. So that they are at least slightly contemporary for today but certainly not as loud as the more contemporary bands. But the monos we haven't, for example. The monos remain unlimited." And - indeed - the original stereo CDs are not limited either. I'm trying to find my original source, but I found this one: http://goodrob13.com/2009/09/14/beatles-review-abbey-road-remastered-cd/ ah - here it is: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13425-stereo-box-in-mono/ and - hey - what do you know? A Wire reference. The link above cross-references this link: http://pitchfork.com/features/guest-lists/5877-wire-desert-island-discs-as-of-181002-and-of-that-date-only/ Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V11 #144 ********************************