From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V11 #142 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, October 12 2009 Volume 11 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book [Ari ] [idealcopy] Re: Kirby - Cale, Helen of Troy [cc ] Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book [PAUL RABJOHN ] Re: [idealcopy] Bill Withers the Forum [David McKenzie ] Re: [idealcopy] Spotify [Ari ] [idealcopy] Fw: Mike's Blog #1: 'Pilots on Food Stamps' [Ari ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:52:06 EDT From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book Hi all Just bought my copy of Neate's Pink Flag book. Hope it's a good read. Although I also subscibe to the forum I still like IC best Wire related topics or not. It's good to have both in a way. I rarely contribute to either at the moment - work you know.... I wouldimagine even long in the tooth copyists have checked out Spotify and I have found it just great for listening while working etc or reliving blasts from the past. (Just went through the whole of The Groundhogs albums - really nostalgic and enjoyable).And yes I have then gone out and purchased an album or 2 I have listened too.i.e Bombay Bicycle Club. Just wondered how Spotify has gone down with others on the list. Chris NP Dome 1 & 2 I'm Rolling Upon My day.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:04:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book haven't come across 'spotify' use pandora meself, probably the same sorta thing, when 'are' Wire gonna release a new c.d? anyone have info? As for the forum, I 'visit' less often than I used to, the big G seems once again to think it's there soley for his pleasure, shame really cuz he 'does' have a 'good read' style. NP npr 'news'...... A Keep your computer 'on time' with this (free) app. http://download.cnet.com/Atomic-Clock-Sync/3000-18512_4-14844.html?tag=feed&subj= =rss.: ________________________________ From: "CHRISWIRE@aol.com" To: steeleknight@lineone.net; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 6:52:06 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book Hi all Just bought my copy of Neate's Pink Flag book. Hope it's a good read. Although I also subscibe to the forum I still like IC best Wire related topics or not. It's good to have both in a way. I rarely contribute to either at the moment - work you know.... I wouldimagine even long in the tooth copyists have checked out Spotify and I have found it just great for listening while working etc or reliving blasts from the past. (Just went through the whole of The Groundhogs albums - really nostalgic and enjoyable).And yes I have then gone out and purchased an album or 2 I have listened too.i.e Bombay Bicycle Club. Just wondered how Spotify has gone down with others on the list. Chris NP Dome 1 & 2 I'm Rolling Upon My day.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) From: cc Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Kirby - Cale, Helen of Troy Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:49:58 +0100 From: "John G" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ROBERT KIRBY RIP and a great opportunity to delve into his canon!! John Cale Helen Of Troy would be a good start, would it not? - --- one of my very favorite albums--can you explain the Robert Kirby connection? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:52:36 +0000 (GMT) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book well keith i'm sure you'd love the wilson neate one , its very good stuff indeed. i also bought the paul lester one , wouldn't dispute for a minute its not half as good as the WN effort , but i didn't think it was the complete turkey i was maybe expecting. lots of scissors and paste going on , but the bands comments over the years are generally worth giveing an ear to. its certainly much better than "exploded views" and i never saw that getting the sort of slating PL's book got in certain quarters.... p ________________________________ From: Ari To: Keith Knight ; Idealcopy Sent: Saturday, 10 October, 2009 20:24:11 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pink Flag book It's a darn good read, I did spot a mistake but can't remember what it was........ (old age y'know) Highly recommend it .A Let's get some conversation going then! Has anyone read this book yet? (the one by Wilson Neate). I haven't got it yet and would only need a little encouragement (which I'm sure I'll get...). another the Keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:53:25 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Bill Withers the Forum Gee - a chance to revisit that pissing contest - I'll pass thank you On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Tim wrote: > I quite like the forum. It's worth persevering, Colin posts fairly > regularly and G Lewis and Margaret too. > Shame more ICers don't check in more often but maybe I'll check in IC more > often. > > That said the quality of debate is..ahem..variable and of late it does > resemble the pesonal Blog page of the self-applauding Mr G Rowland who, not > content with being booted off IC is now doing his best to get booted off > Pink Flag. > > To pick up a couple of threads... > > Wilson Neate's book is really worthwhile and y'all need one. A set text. > Well written, and lots of new information from the source. and has some > insight into why Mr Gilbert and Wire parted company. > > I haven't bothered with Paul Lester's book after bad reviews..if it turns > up in Fopp for #3 I may be tempted. > > Anyone heard Bruce's new one yet? > > > Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:40:18 +0000 From: Andy Lumbard Subject: [idealcopy] Spotify Chris wrote <<< I wouldimagine even long in the tooth copyists have checked out Spotify and I have found it just great for listening while working etc or reliving blasts from the past. (Just went through the whole of The Groundhogs albums - - really nostalgic and enjoyable).And yes I have then gone out and purchased an album or 2 I have listened too.i.e Bombay Bicycle Club. Just wondered how Spotify has gone down with others on the list. >>> Oh no I am now long in the tooth! Although I have to say that my 16 year old son put me onto Spotify ( though not facebook, yet) I too am really enjoying it...and it is costing me a fortune! How come? Well just having come off a 7 gigs in 11 days stint I am checking out who is playing locally and whether they might be worth seeing! Interesting that you mention BBC. I caught them last Tuesday, thought they were damned excellent, and seemed to demonstrate some maturity beyond their years. They put on a great show, and have certainly built up a young "Face book", word-of-mouth-type fan base - mainly 6th formers, although pleased to report, I wasn't the oldest there. I reckon they are here for a while. The Groundhogs? My goodness me! Aren't they touring at the moment with Wishbone Ash? You'll be telling me Fleetwood Mac have reformed next ?! AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify >>The Groundhogs? My goodness me! Aren't they touring at the moment with Wishbone Ash? You'll be telling me Fleetwood Mac have reformed next ?!<< AndyL Wishbone Ash? aren't they in wheelchairs yet? as for F.Mac, they did reform about 5 years ago, excellent they were too, if you like middle of the road music with lotsa ooomph, (which I do) I have a very good 2 DVD set of that tour. A ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:46:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: Mike's Blog #1: 'Pilots on Food Stamps' Saw his new movie last week, WELL worth watching. This week, the new 'Mike & Friends Blog' section will be added to MichaelMoore.com. In additional to my blog, I have asked a few people, like Rep. Marcy Kaptur (the Democrat from Toledo who has deservedly become the star of my movie!) and Leah Fried (who helped organize the sit-down strike at Republic Windows and Doors in Chicago), to blog here on my site. Here's a sneak peek of my first blog post. Enjoy! -- MM Sunday, October 11th, 2009 Pilots on Food Stamps By Michael Moore We're on the descent from 20,000 feet in the air when the flight attendant leans over the elderly woman next to me and taps me on the shoulder. "I'm listening to Lady Gaga," I say as I remove just one of the ear buds. I know not this Lady Gaga, but her performance last week on SNL was fascinating. "The pilots would like to see you in the cockpit when we land," she says with a southern drawl. "Did I do something wrong?" "No. They have something to show you." (The last time an employee of an airline wanted to show me something it was her written reprimand for eating an in-flight meal without paying for it. "Yes," she said, "we have to pay for our own meals on board now.") The plane landed and I stepped into the cockpit. "Read this," the first officer said. He handed me a letter from the airline to him. It was headlined "LETTER OF CONCERN." It seems this poor fellow had taken three sick days in the past year. The letter was a warning not to take another one -- or else. "Great," I said. "Just what I want -- you coming to work sick, flying me up in the air and asking to borrow the barf bag from my seatback pocket." He then showed me his pay stub. He took home $405 this week. My life was completely and totally in his hands for the past hour and he's paid less than the kid who delivers my pizza. I told the guys that I have a whole section in my new movie about how pilots are treated (using pilots as only one example of how people's wages have been slashed and the middle class decimated). In the movie I interview a pilot for a major airline who made $17,000 last year. For four months he was eligible -- and received -- food stamps. Another pilot in the film has a second job as a dog walker. "I have a second job!," the two pilots said in unison. One is a substitute teacher. The other works in a coffee shop. You know, maybe it's just me, but the two occupations whose workers shouldn't be humpin' a second job are brain surgeons and airline pilots. Call me crazy. I told them about how Capt. "Sully" Sullenberger (the pilot who safely landed the jet in the Hudson River) had testified in Congress that no pilot he knows wants any of their children to become a pilot. Pilots, he said, are completely demoralized. He spoke of how his pay has been cut 40% and his own pension eliminated. Most of the TV news didn't cover his remarks and the congressmen quickly forgot them. They just wanted him to play the role of "HERO," but he was on a more important mission. He's in my movie. "I hadn't heard anywhere that this stuff about the airlines is in this new movie," the pilot said. "No, you wouldn't," I replied. "The press likes to talk about me, not the movie." And it's true. I've been surprised (and slightly annoyed) that, with all that's been written and talked about "Capitalism: A Love Story," very little attention has been paid the mind-blowing stuff in the film: pilots on food stamps, companies secretly taking out life insurance policies on employees and hoping they die young so the company can collect, judges getting kickbacks from the private prison industry for sending innocent people (kids) to be locked up. The profit motive -- it's a killer. Especially when your pilot started his day at 6am working at the local Starbucks. Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend You are currently subscribed to michaelmoore as: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com Add maillist@michaelmoore.com to your email address book to ensure delivery Forward to a Friend | Manage Subscription | Subscribe | Unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:13:28 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Spotify no Spotify statesideboohoo On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Andy Lumbard wrote: > Chris wrote > > <<< > > I wouldimagine even long in the tooth copyists have checked out Spotify and > I have found it just great for listening while working etc or reliving > blasts from the past. (Just went through the whole of The Groundhogs albums > - really nostalgic and enjoyable).And yes I have then gone out and > purchased > an album or 2 I have listened too.i.e Bombay Bicycle Club. Just wondered > how > Spotify has gone down with others on the list. > > >>> > > Oh no I am now long in the tooth! > > Although I have to say that my 16 year old son put me onto Spotify ( though > not facebook, yet) I too am really enjoying it...and it is costing me a > fortune! How come? Well just having come off a 7 gigs in 11 days stint I am > checking out who is playing locally and whether they might be worth seeing! > > Interesting that you mention BBC. I caught them last Tuesday, thought they > were damned excellent, and seemed to demonstrate some maturity beyond their > years. They put on a great show, and have certainly built up a young "Face > book", word-of-mouth-type fan base - mainly 6th formers, although pleased > to > report, I wasn't the oldest there. I reckon they are here for a while. > > The Groundhogs? My goodness me! Aren't they touring at the moment with > Wishbone Ash? You'll be telling me Fleetwood Mac have reformed next ?! > > AndyL ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V11 #142 ********************************