From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V11 #112 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, July 12 2009 Volume 11 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Awaydays [PAUL RABJOHN ] Re: [idealcopy] Awaydays [Hold ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:12:50 +0000 (GMT) From: PAUL RABJOHN Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Awaydays well "control" nailed JD a lot better than "24hr party people". i quite enjoyed it , and i watched it with a couple of people who had no idea of the factory story ; they enjoyed it just as a ripping yarn. likewise "TIE" wasn't the best thing ever but surely better than 90% of what gets cranked out? looking forward to bruno now ;-) ________________________________ From: Hold Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Friday, 10 July, 2009 3:56:18 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Awaydays Er, why are random producers listed alongside the performers on the soundtrack?!? "Control meets This Is England". Hmm, a match made in Hell. Sorry, but two of the most overrated films in recent memory. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:29 AM, keith a wrote: > Anyone seen this as yet? > > > http://www.awaydaysthemovie.com/ > > > > Film based in 1979, with ex-Dalek I member as producer. A quote from one > review says- "Control meets This Is England" > > > > Wire on the soundtrack LP > > http://www.awaydaysthemovie.com/soundtrack.html > > > > And Hughes mentions Wire in the press blurb below. > > > > > http://www.awaydaysthemovie.com/music.html > > > > Erics, Liverpool > > By David A Hughes, Awaydays Producer > > The club featured in the movie is based on the legendary 'Erics'. Most of > the bands whose tracks feature in AWAYDAYS played at the club. It was on > Mathew Street in Liverpool, the same tacky backstreet where The Cavern used > to be. Kevin Sampson and I were both members. During 1978 & 79 , Eric's was > the center of my universe. I started going in 1977 during the punk > explosion, and from Erics dedicated audience of arty show-offs and moody > Bowie clones came bands like Echo & The Bunnymen, Teardrop Explodes and > OMD. > One of my bands was Dalek I Love You, briefly mentioned in the the film > when > Elvis says 'Thought we was going to see Dalek tonight'. > > > We all had become used to watching emerging acts like Talking Heads, > Television, Devo, Magazine, The Human League and Wire and reckoned we could > do something ourselves. If you managed to think of a quirky band name and > had a couple of edgy songs, you could be supporting The Clash the following > week. > > There weren't many members early on. You got to know most of the audience. > Thursday was local bands night, free to members and 50 whole pee to guests! > Most of the Liverpool scene and Zoo bands made their debuts on a Thursday > at > Erics. > > We saw a lot of raw, art-punk bands who went on to become platinum-selling > pop bands. The Police, Simple Minds, Ultravox, for 75p or a pound. I > remember about 30 people watching The Human League knowing the best days of > punk were now over, electro had arrived... and I was staggered to see how > Joy Division progressed from being a pile of shite in one very early gig to > jaw-dropping brilliance a couple of months later. > > I never heard a Beatles track played at Eric's. The regulars had a dogged > (and predictable) anti-Beatles stance, and we all moved to the bar when > Souxsie & The Banshees played 'Helter Skelter'. Whatever they'd done to put > Liverpool on the map, we knew that Eric's was giving the city a chance to > move on from the burden of The Fab Four. Through Roger Eagle's (Erics > owner) > zealous love of music from all nooks and crannies, we got to hear lots of > reggae, weird Louisiana blues, Dub, German Electro and Rockabilly. All > these > sounds filtered through to the emerging local bands. From Rockin Dopsie & > His Cajun Twisters to Tapper Zukie and Matumbi, a night at Eric's was an > education - truly the world in one city. > > Erics opened your eyes to other things as well. The gents toilets were > unusable. Everything went on in the Ladies - and I mean everything. The > club > was in a basement, so when there was a high tide you could feel the damp in > the floor and the girls in their fishnet stocking feet would put their > painful pointy boots back on before the rising Mersey tide sent a few rats > scurrying across the dance floor. > > Above all else Eric's made me , a runty twerp from Birkenhead, feel > impossibly cool for long enough to land the drop dead gorgeous love of my > life. > - -- Steven H hold.one@gmail.com 718.775.6940 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 23:50:29 -0400 From: Hold Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Awaydays OK, full throttle here... "Nailed"? To a cross? Not to rehash similar back-and-forth on the FAClist and the Cerysmatic Message Board, but Control was (and is) crap. Inability to direct actors (someone get Samantha Morton a muzzle [even latter-day DeNiro and screaming Pacino would be appalled]), ugly cinematography (there's only so much lack-of-talent that "going out of focus" will hide in your music video cv), a weak screenplay (mistakenly basing your POV on a still-angry widow/would-have-been-ex-wife's questionable book [Deborah Curtis readily admits she never "knew" Ian]; not exactly a well-rounded, or even insightful viewpoint), and an unforgivable teenage-Goth masturbatory fantasy of a closing shot, adds up to bullshit in my book. (Shall we add in worst re-creation of the Sex Pistols gig(s) in Manchester to boot?) Corbijn was a desperate long-term wanna-be hanger on (approaching stalker), that never came close to the Kevin Cummins iconography, yet got all the credit. As for 24HPP, say what you will, at least it had a sense of humor. The Factory crowd were much more the jokesters than "myth" has recognized. (Ask the Buzzcocks. [Mice and jam!]) Bring it on. ;-) Steven On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:12 PM, PAUL RABJOHN wrote: > well "control" nailed JD a lot better than "24hr party people". i quite > enjoyed it , and i watched it with a couple of people who had no idea of the > factory story ; they enjoyed it just as a ripping yarn. likewise "TIE" > wasn't the best thing ever but surely better than 90% of what gets cranked > out? > > looking forward to bruno now ;-) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Hold > *Cc:* idealcopy@smoe.org > *Sent:* Friday, 10 July, 2009 3:56:18 AM > *Subject:* Re: [idealcopy] Awaydays > > Er, why are random producers listed alongside the performers on the > soundtrack?!? > "Control meets This Is > England". Hmm, a match made in Hell. Sorry, but two of the most overrated > films in recent memory. > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:29 AM, keith a >wrote: > > > Anyone seen this as yet? > > > > > > http://www.awaydaysthemovie.com/ > > > > > > > > Film based in 1979, with ex-Dalek I member as producer. A quote from one > > review says- "Control meets This Is England" > > > > > > > > Wire on the soundtrack LP > > > > http://www.awaydaysthemovie.com/soundtrack.html > > > > > > > > And Hughes mentions Wire in the press blurb below. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.awaydaysthemovie.com/music.html > > > > > > > > Erics, Liverpool > > > > By David A Hughes, Awaydays Producer > > > > The club featured in the movie is based on the legendary 'Erics'. Most of > > the bands whose tracks feature in AWAYDAYS played at the club. It was on > > Mathew Street in Liverpool, the same tacky backstreet where The Cavern > used > > to be. Kevin Sampson and I were both members. During 1978 & 79 , Eric's > was > > the center of my universe. I started going in 1977 during the punk > > explosion, and from Erics dedicated audience of arty show-offs and moody > > Bowie clones came bands like Echo & The Bunnymen, Teardrop Explodes and > > OMD. > > One of my bands was Dalek I Love You, briefly mentioned in the the film > > when > > Elvis says 'Thought we was going to see Dalek tonight'. > > > > > > We all had become used to watching emerging acts like Talking Heads, > > Television, Devo, Magazine, The Human League and Wire and reckoned we > could > > do something ourselves. If you managed to think of a quirky band name and > > had a couple of edgy songs, you could be supporting The Clash the > following > > week. > > > > There weren't many members early on. You got to know most of the > audience. > > Thursday was local bands night, free to members and 50 whole pee to > guests! > > Most of the Liverpool scene and Zoo bands made their debuts on a Thursday > > at > > Erics. > > > > We saw a lot of raw, art-punk bands who went on to become > platinum-selling > > pop bands. The Police, Simple Minds, Ultravox, for 75p or a pound. I > > remember about 30 people watching The Human League knowing the best days > of > > punk were now over, electro had arrived... and I was staggered to see how > > Joy Division progressed from being a pile of shite in one very early gig > to > > jaw-dropping brilliance a couple of months later. > > > > I never heard a Beatles track played at Eric's. The regulars had a dogged > > (and predictable) anti-Beatles stance, and we all moved to the bar when > > Souxsie & The Banshees played 'Helter Skelter'. Whatever they'd done to > put > > Liverpool on the map, we knew that Eric's was giving the city a chance to > > move on from the burden of The Fab Four. Through Roger Eagle's (Erics > > owner) > > zealous love of music from all nooks and crannies, we got to hear lots of > > reggae, weird Louisiana blues, Dub, German Electro and Rockabilly. All > > these > > sounds filtered through to the emerging local bands. From Rockin Dopsie & > > His Cajun Twisters to Tapper Zukie and Matumbi, a night at Eric's was an > > education - truly the world in one city. > > > > Erics opened your eyes to other things as well. The gents toilets were > > unusable. Everything went on in the Ladies - and I mean everything. The > > club > > was in a basement, so when there was a high tide you could feel the damp > in > > the floor and the girls in their fishnet stocking feet would put their > > painful pointy boots back on before the rising Mersey tide sent a few > rats > > scurrying across the dance floor. > > > > Above all else Eric's made me , a runty twerp from Birkenhead, feel > > impossibly cool for long enough to land the drop dead gorgeous love of my > > life. > > > > > > -- > Steven H > hold.one@gmail.com > 718.775.6940 > - -- Steven Hankinson, Brooklyn NYC hold.one@gmail.com 718.775.6940 ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V11 #112 ********************************