From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V11 #81 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, May 27 2009 Volume 11 : Number 081 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall [Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall which, if you re-read my email, is what I said................. ________________________________ From: "MarkBursa@aol.com" To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:22:46 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall >>is not a songwriter 'waxing poetic' when he sets pen to paper<< Not necessarily. In some cases, far from it. Which is the point of this debate! M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:35:13 +0100 From: "Adrian Cooke" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall mmmmm Anyway, back to the subject of The Fall. Somebody asked about footage of the Globo gig where they played the whole of This Nation's Saving Grace? Here is 'Barmy' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEbBrYVzmTE Adrian - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ari Sent: 26 May 2009 15:13 To: MarkBursa@aol.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall which, if you re-read my email, is what I said................. ________________________________ From: "MarkBursa@aol.com" To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:22:46 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall >>is not a songwriter 'waxing poetic' when he sets pen to paper<< Not necessarily. In some cases, far from it. Which is the point of this debate! M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:38:41 -0400 From: Eric Klaver Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall *snip* So a soupcan is only art in an art gallery? I think you have a very restricted definition of poetry. I don't think the issue is one of definition but one of value. Is it good or bad poetry?*snip* Intent does not determine classification. Hence the previous soupcan analogy. Mr. Campbell (or whoever) did not set out to create art when he put his pen to can, as it were. On 26-May-09, at 10:13 AM, Ari wrote: which, if you re-read my email, is what I said................. ________________________________ From: "MarkBursa@aol.com" To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:22:46 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall >> is not a songwriter 'waxing poetic' when he sets pen to paper<< Not necessarily. In some cases, far from it. Which is the point of this debate! M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:53:29 -0400 From: Eric Klaver Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall Is this The Fall list now or the poetry list? I've forgotten ;-) On 26-May-09, at 10:35 AM, Adrian Cooke wrote: mmmmm Anyway, back to the subject of The Fall. Somebody asked about footage of the Globo gig where they played the whole of This Nation's Saving Grace? Here is 'Barmy' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEbBrYVzmTE Adrian - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ari Sent: 26 May 2009 15:13 To: MarkBursa@aol.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall which, if you re-read my email, is what I said................. ________________________________ From: "MarkBursa@aol.com" To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:22:46 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall >> is not a songwriter 'waxing poetic' when he sets pen to paper<< Not necessarily. In some cases, far from it. Which is the point of this debate! M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:18:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall It's the Fall's poetry list of course ________________________________ From: Eric Klaver To: Adrian Cooke Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:53:29 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall Is this The Fall list now or the poetry list? I've forgotten ;-) On 26-May-09, at 10:35 AM, Adrian Cooke wrote: mmmmm Anyway, back to the subject of The Fall. Somebody asked about footage of the Globo gig where they played the whole of This Nation's Saving Grace? Here is 'Barmy' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEbBrYVzmTE Adrian - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ari Sent: 26 May 2009 15:13 To: MarkBursa@aol.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall which, if you re-read my email, is what I said................. ________________________________ From: "MarkBursa@aol.com" To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:22:46 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall >> is not a songwriter 'waxing poetic' when he sets pen to paper<< Not necessarily. In some cases, far from it. Which is the point of this debate! M ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:10:06 -0500 From: David McKenzie Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall or ratherThe Poetry of Fall I think that is shall never see an Autumn day such... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:47:26 -0400 From: Eric Klaver Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall "Paradise Lost"? Damn. Wrong list! On 26-May-09, at 5:10 PM, David McKenzie wrote: or ratherThe Poetry of Fall I think that is shall never see an Autumn day such... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:47:10 -0400 From: eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall The lyrics to some of my songs are poems by Wassily Kandinsky and Giorgio de Chirico. Does the fact that I'm attempting to sing their words mean they're no longer poetry? ... wait. Don't answer that. B :oP - -another the PaulB - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Klaver To: Ari Cc: MarkBursa@aol.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:38 am Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall *snip* So a soupcan is only art in an art gallery? I think you have a very restricted definition of poetry. I don't think the issue is one of definition but one of value. Is it good or bad poetry?*snip*B B Intent does not determine classification. Hence the previous soupcan analogy. Mr. Campbell (or whoever) did not set out to create art when he put his pen to can, as it were.B B On 26-May-09, at 10:13 AM, Ari wrote:B B which, if you re-read my email, is what I said.................B B B ________________________________B From: "MarkBursa@aol.com" B To: threeduggaduggas@yahoo.comB Cc: idealcopy@smoe.orgB Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:22:46 PMB Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the FallB B >> is not a songwriter 'waxing poetic' when he sets pen to paper<