From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V11 #80 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, May 26 2009 Volume 11 : Number 080 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall [uri.b@talktalk.net] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall [uri.b@talktalk.net] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall [Eric Klaver To: Ari ; Bruno Clements ; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 9:48 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall be a real shame if you ended up with 2 semi-functioning things. i often wonder which one i should post on , and it seems daft posting twice and hey , mozza is 50 today. wonder if those warmed-over reisssues are sprinting off the shelves ;-) ________________________________ From: Ari To: Bruno Clements ; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Friday, 22 May, 2009 12:20:31 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall Has the list died? good question Bruno, I for one sorta miss it, maybe it's time for a revival?'keeping in touch ' via the forum and facebook ain't workin'. A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:57:44 -0400 From: uri.b@talktalk.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall Not my arguments, the Times did a piece on it. I couldn't define what a Poem is in terms everyone would agree with so am not in a good position to place a value on it. I never 'got' Poetry. U. - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Klaver To: uri.b@talktalk.net CC: paulrabjohn@btinternet.com; threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall So a soupcan is only art in an art gallery? I think you have a very restricted definition of poetry. I don't think the issue is one of definition but one of value. Is it good or bad poetry?? ? On 25-May-09, at 11:19 AM, uri.b@talktalk.net wrote:? ? ?It seems Morrissey's lyrics have been quoted as being top class poetry. The argument against is that lyrics can't be poetry because they are designed to fit a tune and make concessions to the nature of a song.? ? Bringing us right back? on topic, I think Graham's lyrics (with Colin's tunes) have never really been anything other than poetry of a sort. Texts I think he calls them? ? U.? ? ? ? ? - -----Original Message-----? From: PAUL RABJOHN ? To: Ari ; Bruno Clements ; idealcopy@smoe.org? Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 9:48? Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall? ? ? ? ? ? be a real shame if you ended up with 2 semi-functioning things. i often wonder? which one i should post on , and it seems daft posting twice? ? and hey , mozza? is 50 today. wonder if those warmed-over reisssues are sprinting off the? shelves ;-)? ? ? ________________________________? From: Ari? ? To: Bruno Clements? ; idealcopy@smoe.org? Sent: Friday, 22? May, 2009 12:20:31 AM? Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of? the Fall? ? Has the list died?? ? good question Bruno, I for one sorta miss it,? maybe it's time for a revival?'keeping in touch ' via the forum and facebook? ain't workin'. A? ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:38:43 -0400 From: Eric Klaver Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall So a soupcan is only art in an art gallery? I think you have a very restricted definition of poetry. I don't think the issue is one of definition but one of value. Is it good or bad poetry? On 25-May-09, at 11:19 AM, uri.b@talktalk.net wrote: It seems Morrissey's lyrics have been quoted as being top class poetry. The argument against is that lyrics can't be poetry because they are designed to fit a tune and make concessions to the nature of a song. Bringing us right back? on topic, I think Graham's lyrics (with Colin's tunes) have never really been anything other than poetry of a sort. Texts I think he calls them U. - -----Original Message----- From: PAUL RABJOHN To: Ari ; Bruno Clements ; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 9:48 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall be a real shame if you ended up with 2 semi-functioning things. i often wonder which one i should post on , and it seems daft posting twice and hey , mozza is 50 today. wonder if those warmed-over reisssues are sprinting off the shelves ;-) ________________________________ From: Ari To: Bruno Clements ; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Friday, 22 May, 2009 12:20:31 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall Has the list died? good question Bruno, I for one sorta miss it, maybe it's time for a revival?'keeping in touch ' via the forum and facebook ain't workin'. A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall Uri if you listen to the lyrics (and don't we all) then you must 'get' 'poetry', is not a songwriter 'waxing poetic' when he sets pen to paper,(as a general rule anyway) is not the composer of music doing likewise (and admittedly not all do to our 'respective ears) but that's another debate.A ________________________________ From: "uri.b@talktalk.net" To: eklaver@souvenirmusic.net Cc: paulrabjohn@btinternet.com; threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:57:44 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall Not my arguments, the Times did a piece on it. I couldn't define what a Poem is in terms everyone would agree with so am not in a good position to place a value on it. I never 'got' Poetry. U. - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Klaver To: uri.b@talktalk.net CC: paulrabjohn@btinternet.com; threeduggaduggas@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall So a soupcan is only art in an art gallery? I think you have a very restricted definition of poetry. I don't think the issue is one of definition but one of value. Is it good or bad poetry?? ? On 25-May-09, at 11:19 AM, uri.b@talktalk.net wrote:? ? ?It seems Morrissey's lyrics have been quoted as being top class poetry. The argument against is that lyrics can't be poetry because they are designed to fit a tune and make concessions to the nature of a song.? ? Bringing us right back? on topic, I think Graham's lyrics (with Colin's tunes) have never really been anything other than poetry of a sort. Texts I think he calls them? ? U.? ? ? ? ? - -----Original Message-----? From: PAUL RABJOHN ? To: Ari ; Bruno Clements ; idealcopy@smoe.org? Sent: Fri, 22 May 2009 9:48? Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall? ? ? ? ? ? be a real shame if you ended up with 2 semi-functioning things. i often wonder? which one i should post on , and it seems daft posting twice? ? and hey , mozza? is 50 today. wonder if those warmed-over reisssues are sprinting off the? shelves ;-)? ? ? ________________________________? From: Ari? ? To: Bruno Clements? ; idealcopy@smoe.org? Sent: Friday, 22? May, 2009 12:20:31 AM? Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of? the Fall? ? Has the list died?? ? good question Bruno, I for one sorta miss it,? maybe it's time for a revival?'keeping in touch ' via the forum and facebook? ain't workin'. A? ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:22:46 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Radical cover version of the Fall >>is not a songwriter 'waxing poetic' when he sets pen to paper<< Not necessarily. In some cases, far from it. Which is the point of this debate! M ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V11 #80 *******************************