From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #517 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 8 2008 Volume 10 : Number 517 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Brainwaves starts in TWO WEEKS ["Jon Whitney" ] Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot ["Cambra, Robert" ] Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot [Ari ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: oreos ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot ["Cambra, Robert" ] Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot ["johnny clash" ] [idealcopy] phuket ["johnny clash" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:14:11 -0500 From: "Jon Whitney" Subject: [idealcopy] Brainwaves starts in TWO WEEKS In two weeks the music will begin and we need all the help we can get to help sell some more tickets and get some more people out. Please post the following on your myspaces, facebooks, email lists, newsgroups, anything to try to get the word out: Brainwaves 2008 begins in less than two weeks. see brainwavesfest.org Individual day passes are now on sale directly through the Regent Theatre online, on the phone, or in person at the box office. This year's festival promises to be at least as astounding as the first one. The following is the schedule of performers. Set times and order will not be posted until the day of the event. Be sure to arrive when doors open to find running order and set time schedule. Note: DJ Steven Stapleton will be spinning between sets all weekend long. Friday, November 21, 2008 - doors at 7pm, music begins at 8pm Meat Beat Manifesto Silver Apples JG Thirlwell's Manorexia Marissa Nadler & a special Greater Than One video presentation Saturday, November 22, 2008 - doors at noon, music begins at 1pm His Name Is Alive Gary Wilson Rivulets feat. Jessica Bailiff Major Stars Nmperign feat. Jason Lescalleet Glenn Jones Saturday, November 22, 2008 - doors at 7pm, music begins at 8pm Matmos Threshold HouseBoys Choir Little Annie Reformed Faction (Mark and Robin of Zoviet France, Rapoon, Dead Voices On Air) Torch Duo Sunday, November 23, 2008 - doors at noon, music begins at 1pm Stars of the Lid To Kill A Petty Bourgeoisie Boduf Songs Lichens Nudge Strategy Windy Weber (of Windy & Carl) & Thomas Meluch (of Benoit Pioulard) FULL WEEKEND PASSES can be bought through Brainwashed.com, at Twisted Village (in person with cash), and through the Regent Theatre box office - www.regenttheatre.com. Weekend passes are $75 + $2.50 restoration fee (and other online charges for online purchases). Ticket prices for the day passes is as follows and will only be available direct from the Regent Theatre: Friday, November 21st, 2008: $20 Saturday, November 22nd, 2008: $45 Sunday, November 23rd, 2008: $20 (restoration and online transaction fees are NOT included in this price) Please visit our sponsors! Brainwaves is made possible with help from sponsorships, donations, and support from individuals like you. Please take the time to visit our sponsors and thank them for helping make this year's festival a reality. Important Records - http://importantrecords.com Kranky - http://kranky.net Mimaroglu Music Sales - http://www.mimaroglumusicsales.com/ RRRecords - http://www.rrrecords.com/ Twisted Village - http://www.twistedvillage.com/ The Wire - http://thewire.co.uk/ WZBC - http://www.wzbc.org/ - -- Brainwashed Inc: brainwashed.com | Brainwashed Recordings | Killer Pimp Music | Brainwaves 2008 Festival P.O. Box 7 / Arlington, MA 02476 / USA streaming radio  podcasts  reviews  store  music fests ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:35:08 -0800 (PST) From: Creatured Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-No This Time I'm from Detroit too and I think a fair amount of people in Detroit have similar feelings that McCain people have towards Obama, but the other way round in this case.. I know when Archer was Mayor,it seemed like he had some good ideas and wanted to move Detroit fwd,but I heard a lot of people say that he was working with the suburbs too much and that he was giving in to the white suburbs too much. Now Detroit had Kwami Kilpatrick and now he is in Jail or was sentenced to jail,so Detroit has some issues too that seem to be held over from the Coleman Young days. Maybe Coleman's son will run some day for MAyor!? - ----- Original Message ---- From: David McKenzie To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 11:54:12 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] No This Time Obama's success (from the primaries on) caused our Nation to confront it's attitudes about race.The good news is that we have come far enough that the obviously better suited leader prevailed. The bad news is that it isn't so obvious to everyone. I had my own epiphany several years ago when Harold Washington was elected Mayor here in Chicago. Coming from the disaster that was Detroit after Coleman Young, I must now confess that I was pessimistic. I was also wrong. Harold Washington was a very savvy, very practical leader, who confronted and challenged prejudice with intelligence and determination, overcoming it more often than not. Coleman Young was an opportunistic exploiter. That experience forced me to confront and reject my own bias. Obama has done the same and I expect will continue to do so. There will remain a portion of the population who will never make the transition. *They* are the shrinking minority, but they are not a trivial statistic. This is a beginning of a new phase of growth and advancement, not the end of ignorance. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 5:38 PM, wrote: > It was great to get to bed relatively early election night...and happy, > rather than feeling sick to my stomach as in 2004, or completely beaten up > after a drawn out month as in 2000. The only thing keeping my glee somewhat > down right now is the incredible shock I've received at work. I'm having a > really hard time believing how many of my co-workers are "scared"! I mean, > they're not just disappointed with the results cuz their guy didn't win, but > their extreme prejudice is surfacing as I listen to some of these people. > Worst part is 1) I'm in NY (not NYC, but still, this place is about as > ethnically diverse as places get), and 2) I'm a teacher. It's so sad to see > prejudice driving decision making, even on issues that are common sense. > My hope is that Obama being president really will unite our country, and > that unity will continue to spread across the globe. > > > > > GOBAMA! > > > > > -another the Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Smith > To: xj23@yahoo.com > Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org > Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:56 am > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] No This Time > > > > > > > > > or more acurately, to get the US to think about the rest of the world > DIFFERENTLY. > :) > Many of us already did...maybe more of us are catching on. > I know, more me anyhow, that is a big percentage of the hope I hold. > > b > > > On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:50 AM, elektrolad wrote: > > > I got all teary. Taught my daughter to say Presdent 'bama. > > B > > Now let's hope he delivers. Obama seems very sincere. > > B > > This is a chance for the US to get their shit together and think > > about the > > rest of the world. > > B > > > > > > --- On Wed, 5/11/08, David McKenzie wrote: > > > > From: David McKenzie > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] No This Time > > To: "idealcopy@smoe.org" > > Date: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008, 11:02 PM > > > > Last night after the speech I thought to myself: > > At last I don't feel like I have to apologize.(There's still plenty to > > apologize for tho > > :( > > "Everything I'm going to tell you tonight is true, except the part > about the banana sticking to the wall." > Spalding Gray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:11:37 -0800 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot Just after reading today's Idealcopy I came across this in my morning music reading: "Better we address what is available than to concern ourselves with what is not. An unfortunate side-effect of concerning ourselves with what is not available is, the available becomes less likely." We don't live in an ideal world, never have, never will, and that includes Spanish anarchists and Situationist punks. Most people, even on this "Ideal" list will work, pay taxes (and receive some benefit for it), get married, have children; our parents will die and we will grow old. And in living our lives some less than ideal worlds are better to live in than others. What does it mean to call someone "an oreo" really? Robert (another) No typos this time I think. Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:28:04 -0800 From: 3johnny clash2 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot having been an 3amerikan2 for 50 odd years i can9t get misty eyed over another corporate elitist going into the house of whitey........obama is an oreo anyway. emma goldman said a couple of very true things about american voting........1) if voting changed anything in america, they would make it illegal and 2) in america, voting is the opiate of the masses. america is a bullshit nation.......not really a nation anymore at all............a hologram.........just a vast harsh, soulless corporate disneyland.....that the corporations actually rule.........as frank zappa said......politics is just the entertainment arm of industry. and from the spanish civil war............capitalism + murder = fascism and the church is just the psychological operations wing of the state. obama and the senate and congress...........the parliament of whores won9t do anything unless, we the people, pressure them. no one can rest on their laurels..............now is the time for more work than ever. see ya at the barricades! ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: elektrolad Subject: [idealcopy] Re: oreos I think it's when a white person has sex with two black people.B ;-) - --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Cambra, Robert wrote: What does it mean to call someone "an oreo" really? Robert (another) No typos this time I think. Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:28:04 -0800 From: 3johnny clash2 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot having been an 3amerikan2 for 50 odd years i can9t get misty eyed over another corporate elitist going into the house of whitey........obama is an oreo anyway. emma goldman said a couple of very true things about american voting........1) if voting changed anything in america, they would make it illegal and 2) in america, voting is the opiate of the masses. america is a bullshit nation.......not really a nation anymore at all............a hologram.........just a vast harsh, soulless corporate disneyland.....that the corporations actually rule.........as frank zappa said......politics is just the entertainment arm of industry. and from the spanish civil war............capitalism + murder = fascism and the church is just the psychological operations wing of the state. obama and the senate and congress...........the parliament of whores won9t do anything unless, we the people, pressure them. no one can rest on their laurels..............now is the time for more work than ever. see ya at the barricades! ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:34:51 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot >>What does it mean to call someone "an oreo" really?<< I think he was implying that Barack is 'dark on the outside and white on the inside', so what if he is, he's a product of his birth, nothing more and nothing less.as far as I am concerned he is a beautiul,truthful person who wishes to lead his country out of darkness. all power to him. It's time all 'idealists' realized that we never shall have an ideal world, ideal for whom? the right?, the left?, christians?, moaists?punks? there's NO SUCH THING as an ideal world, all we can hope for is to be able to all live together and respect each others point(s) of view(s), to 'fight' for anything else is a total waste of energy and resource, communism begets dictators, facism begets dictators, as does capitalism and any other ism be it based on economics, religion or spiritualism, SOMEONE will 'rise' to the top and demand/receive respect/honor/reverence/etc. from their respective 'followers'. I wish for a world with no religion and no traversty but I know it won't happen as mankind is either too stupid or too busy trying to make a living and feed their children. In a world where the weed I smoke can put me in prison for longer than someone who commits a violent crime, or a world where a person can spend their entire life in a cell for trying to free 'his/her people' or blown up by religious fanatics or political fanatics there never will be 'peace for all mankind', get over it, move on and live for the moment, help your neighbor, to believe that a march throught the streets will influence a dictator in another country is naive, all we can do is help our neighbors.Sure we can organise on a 'local' or countrywide basis, ask Tim Sasscer, and it 'might' have some effect, or we can con ourselves into believing it has some effect, we do what we must do, but to 'attack' a man who only wants to do good,be he part of the 'system' or not, is just another waste of time that could be spent on more worthwhile projects. as I'm fond of saying................ What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.A ________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:51:31 -0600 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: oreos a hangover from the 60z On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 4:21 PM, elektrolad wrote: > I think it's when a white person has sex with two black people.B ;-) > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Cambra, Robert > wrote: > > > What does it mean to call someone "an oreo" really? > > Robert (another) > > No typos this time I think. > > > > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:28:04 -0800 > From: 3johnny clash2 > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot > > having been an 3amerikan2 for 50 odd years i can9t get misty eyed over > another corporate elitist going into the house of whitey........obama is an > oreo anyway. emma goldman said a couple of very true things about american > voting........1) if voting changed anything in america, they would make it > illegal and 2) in america, voting is the opiate of the masses. america is > a > bullshit nation.......not really a nation anymore at all............a > hologram.........just a vast harsh, soulless corporate disneyland.....that > the corporations actually rule.........as frank zappa said......politics is > just the entertainment arm of industry. and from the spanish civil > war............capitalism + murder = fascism and the church is just the > psychological operations wing of the state. > > obama and the senate and congress...........the parliament of whores won9t > do anything unless, we the people, pressure them. no one can rest on their > laurels..............now is the time for more work than ever. see ya at the > barricades! > > > ****************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the > individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information > that > is > privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. > If > you > have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and > delete > the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address > shown. > Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:01:01 -0800 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot I may have missed the humor of the original post. BUT, saying someone is black on the outside and white inside is, as we heard it put politely a few months ago in the national press, like asking if someone is black enough. And to demonstrate how ridiculous that question is, just ask the opposite question: is someone white enough? Is there a cookie that's white on the outside and black inside some white folks get accused of resembling? I didn't think so. Robert (another) On 11/7/08 5:34 PM, "Ari" wrote: >>What does it mean to call someone "an oreo" really?<< I think he was implying that Barack is 'dark on the outside and white on the inside', ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:26:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot Totally agree, though I don't 'think' he 'meant' it as a derogatory slant, even though it is................ I think he was implying that there would be 'no change' just because we grew up enough to vote in someone that isn't lilly white, that he is 'just as bad' (or good) as 'we' are . Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot I may have missed the humor of the original post. BUT, saying someone is black on the outside and white inside is, as we heard it put politely a few months ago in the national press, like asking if someone is black enough. And to demonstrate how ridiculous that question is, just ask the opposite question: is someone white enough? Is there a cookie that"s white on the outside and black inside some white folks get accused of resembling? I didn"t think so. Robert (another) On 11/7/08 5:34 PM, "Ari" wrote: >>What does it mean to call someone "an oreo" really?<< I think he was implying that Barack is 'dark on the outside and white on the inside', ****************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:44:56 -0800 From: "johnny clash" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot i said obama was an oreo..........black on the outside, white on the inside, not as a racial slur but to highlight that he is a corporate elitist. he was for the bail out. he got the same contributions from the same people as mccain. he didn't follow up on the privacy aspect of our cell phones being eavesdropped on by homo security, he has caved in to the oil companies. being in my fifties i don't need the lectures about an ideal world. isn't that concept really for pop psychologists? "it is whatever you think it is....." yeah right. i am also not saying there will be no change. i agree with brother cornell west that we can't rest on our laurels now. we have to work hard to keep our issues acted upon with both houses and obama. when i say our issues i refer to health care, housing, things of that nature. we have to keep the pressure on or brother obama won't be able to make the changes we want. i say changes we want because other than promising change the specifics of that change were left a little vague. am sorry that i can not canonize or lionize any american politician and do wish i could delude myself that everything is going to be okay now and now i can check out and lay around or whatever americans do. i work hard as an activist every day. i teach "at risk" youth life skills every day. i have 40 students, all from gangs. i have the bloods, the crips, venice 13, the locos, 18th street gang, the rolling 40's, 60's, 3rd st, and 105th street gang members as students, ages 16-24, most of whom are black and a few latinos. i want more from change than a comfortable white world. i want to see our country fulfill it's promises to folks like these. i also deal with a lot of extremely poor elderly in another aspect of my work. i am not saying this makes me an expert on life or anything. i see close up the underbelly of poverty and it's aftereffects. i see the results of a prison industry gone rogue. i lose students all the time that decided a genius idea was to stick a gun in the face of a korean store owner for a 135 dollars...........thanks bill maher for that line. so thanks for the ideal world advice, i walk it like i talk it and though it's heartbreakingly sad at times, i am working on the ideal world moment to moment in my life and work...........and still love wire. i remember all this kind of hope with kennedy. it was really the last time this kind of thing reared it's lovely head in this country. i think it's great but i want some substance among the warm fuzzies. you folks stated how you felt about it and so did i. i didn't get my knickers in a twist about it. as for the bumperstickerisms and such, i'll leave you with a joke in poor taste. did you know john f. kennedy wanted to be a professional boxer and not a politician. he gave up the notion as he couldn't take a shot to the head. oh, and if you thought i was a racist...i voted for shirley mckinney. now there's a real representative....lol (log off loser?) oh, and though i don't drive a volvo neither am i a type a personality behind the wheel. speaking of wheels, get a grip. obligatory california signoff: have a nice day! On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Ari wrote: > Totally agree, though I don't 'think' he 'meant' it as a derogatory slant, > even though it is................ I think he was implying that there would > be > 'no change' just because we grew up enough to vote in someone that isn't > lilly > white, that he is 'just as bad' (or good) as 'we' are . > > > > > > Re: [idealcopy] > a phuk of a lot I may have missed the humor of the original post. BUT, > saying > someone is black on the outside and white inside is, as we heard it put > politely a few months ago in the national press, like asking if someone is > black enough. And to demonstrate how ridiculous that question is, just ask > the > opposite question: is someone white enough? Is there a cookie that"s white > on > the outside and black inside some white folks get accused of resembling? I > didn"t think so. > > Robert (another) > > > On 11/7/08 5:34 PM, "Ari" > wrote: > > > >>What does it mean to call someone "an > oreo" really?<< > I think he was implying that Barack is 'dark on the outside > and white on the inside', > ****************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY > NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the individual or > entity > to whom it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, > confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have > received this communication in error, please do not distribute and delete > the > original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address shown. > Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:46:44 -0800 From: "johnny clash" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: oreos hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:21 PM, elektrolad wrote: > I think it's when a white person has sex with two black people.B ;-) > > --- On Fri, 7/11/08, Cambra, Robert > wrote: > > > What does it mean to call someone "an oreo" really? > > Robert (another) > > No typos this time I think. > > > > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:28:04 -0800 > From: 3johnny clash2 > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a phuk of a lot > > having been an 3amerikan2 for 50 odd years i can9t get misty eyed over > another corporate elitist going into the house of whitey........obama is an > oreo anyway. emma goldman said a couple of very true things about american > voting........1) if voting changed anything in america, they would make it > illegal and 2) in america, voting is the opiate of the masses. america is > a > bullshit nation.......not really a nation anymore at all............a > hologram.........just a vast harsh, soulless corporate disneyland.....that > the corporations actually rule.........as frank zappa said......politics is > just the entertainment arm of industry. and from the spanish civil > war............capitalism + murder = fascism and the church is just the > psychological operations wing of the state. > > obama and the senate and congress...........the parliament of whores won9t > do anything unless, we the people, pressure them. no one can rest on their > laurels..............now is the time for more work than ever. see ya at the > barricades! > > > ****************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This E-Mail is intended only for the use of the > individual or entity to whom it is addressed and may contain information > that > is > privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. > If > you > have received this communication in error, please do not distribute and > delete > the original message. Please notify the sender by E-Mail at the address > shown. > Thank you for your compliance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:33:05 -0800 From: "johnny clash" Subject: [idealcopy] phuket perhaps we have different definitions of corporate elitist.......cheney could have probably done better in the private sector...........or could he? using public office to groom private wealth is a hallmark of our institutions. i'm only hoping barack stops the give away of our tax dollars to those swine who are raking it in on wall street and any other belt way bandit. my suspicions were aroused by him cozying up to mc cain to "save" those poor rich fucks who really deserve to be taken out and shot. not that it's necessary to agree on anything, let alone everything, but i agree with most everything else in the list. being a constitutional scholar may be helpful, if not hopeful, especially if he is not as cynical as the toothless old geezers that wrote it. all men are created equal....except the one' living in my 20 slave apartments..........go for it tommy jefferson. i think my favorite american of note was eli whitney...pardon the bumperstickerism of "keep yer cotton pickin' hands off my gin". i, like most of you, was greatly relieved by the outcome of the beauty contest. my neighborhood was off the hook. fireworks going off and a drunken chorus of " my CUNTry tis of thee" all off key and forgotten lyrics aside. there is a good feeling in the air. when BO took new mexico i was laughing. it was great. the poll results weren't even in here lost angeles and he was elected. i was up all night sacrificing goats to pagan dieties that it would be so. np: glad all over-wire live at the roxy ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #517 ********************************