From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #476 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, September 19 2008 Volume 10 : Number 476 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Magazine Forum gigs [nemeth.marcell@sziget.hu] [idealcopy] Re: making a living [TnA ] Re: [idealcopy] Magazine Forum gigs [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Magazine Forum gigs ["Keith" ] RE: [idealcopy] Re: making a living ["Keith" ] [idealcopy] The Buzz on Wire [elektrolad ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: making a living [Bart van Damme Subject: [idealcopy] Re: making a living A number of years ago I interviewed the EX (or singer Jos) and felt somewhat silly and intrusive asking this very question: (it seemed so 'American' to inquire about money so baldly, but hey, inquiring minds, etc...) Apparently, although the band makes some money from touring and cd sales, the Dutch welfare state is still, and certainly used to be, also involved. In the beginning, when they were young and more or less carefree these things didn't matter so much (plus there were squats available in those days), but now there are some children and houses with mortgages and so I wondered, 'how the fuck...' No idea if spouses/families also contribute in different ways, but I suppose the idea was related to 'middle age as a rock n' roller, non-superstar category'. t ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:37:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Magazine Forum gigs >>Do you have any information on what the admission policy is within the Forum? Can I just walk down to the standing area during the show with a balcony ticket? (I suppose they won't let you to the balcony seats with standing tickets.)<< You get directed either upstairs or downstairs when you enter the venue. Usually there are bouncers at the bottom of the staiors inside the venue stopping you from going up or down. So if you've got a balcony ticket, you'll be in the balcony. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:21:26 +0100 From: "Keith" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Magazine Forum gigs > You get directed either upstairs or downstairs when you enter the venue. Usually there are bouncers at the bottom of the staiors inside the venue stopping you from going up or down. So if you've got a balcony ticket, you'll be in the balcony. Unless he wants to re-enact a scene from Quadrephenia, of course! Got my tkts for Mcr. Anyone else going? K. Np Ideal Copy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:10:51 +0200 (CEST) From: nemeth.marcell@sziget.hu Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Magazine Forum gigs Applies to this particular venue? As far as I remember nobody inspected my standing tickets inside the venue during the show, it was in the Brixton Academy & Glasgow Academy (same policies as in the Forum). At least I haven't heard any ground floors collapsing from some more people. I just thought I would check out the ground floor in the last part of the gig, but won't try if I'm reversed at the stairs for sure. Anyway it seems there is a 3rd gig too. >>>Do you have any information on what the admission policy is within the > Forum? Can I just walk down to the standing area during the show with a > balcony ticket? (I suppose they won't let you to the balcony seats with > standing tickets.)<< > > > You get directed either upstairs or downstairs when you enter the venue. > Usually there are bouncers at the bottom of the staiors inside the venue > stopping you from going up or down. So if you've got a balcony ticket, > you'll be in > the balcony. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:54:26 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: making a living In the Netherlands we have the WWIK law for artists/musicians where they get 70% of welfare. Besides this the artists may earn up to 125% of welfare. Each year the artists/musicians has to show what they did to promote their work and each year there has to be a progression in income. So it's intention is to get artists to be self supportive within a few years. Been there done that... once, in another lifetime. Btw, if you want to support the Ex... they run an excellent webshop with dito music: http://www.theex.nl/shop.htm Bart > A number of years ago I interviewed the EX (or singer Jos) and felt > somewhat silly and intrusive asking this very > question: (it seemed so 'American' to inquire about money so baldly, > but hey, inquiring minds, etc...) > Apparently, although the band makes some money from touring and cd > sales, the Dutch welfare state > is still, and certainly used to be, also involved. In the > beginning, when they were young and more or less carefree these > things didn't matter > so much (plus there were squats available in those days), but now > there are some children and houses with mortgages > and so I wondered, 'how the fuck...' > No idea if spouses/families also contribute in different ways, but I > suppose the idea was related to 'middle age as a > rock n' roller, non-superstar category'. > > t ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:21:23 +0100 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: making a living Lucky Dutch. Do you think Dutch art is as big a force as it should be considering that remarkable level of state support? In the UK I can see people taking advantage of such laws. I do however feel that some level of support is necessary here though I'm not aware of any. It's a hard call, interesting to know how the Dutch weed (pardon the pun) out the piss takers. Many years ago I interviewed Rob Lloyd of the Nightingales and asked him 'that' question. He was very coy in response. U. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bart van Damme" To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: making a living > In the Netherlands we have the WWIK law for artists/musicians where they > get 70% of welfare. Besides this the artists may earn up to 125% of > welfare. Each year the artists/musicians has to show what they did to > promote their work and each year there has to be a progression in income. > So it's intention is to get artists to be self supportive within a few > years. > > Been there done that... once, in another lifetime. > > Btw, if you want to support the Ex... they run an excellent webshop with > dito music: http://www.theex.nl/shop.htm > > Bart > > > >> A number of years ago I interviewed the EX (or singer Jos) and felt >> somewhat silly and intrusive asking this very >> question: (it seemed so 'American' to inquire about money so baldly, but >> hey, inquiring minds, etc...) >> Apparently, although the band makes some money from touring and cd >> sales, the Dutch welfare state >> is still, and certainly used to be, also involved. In the beginning, >> when they were young and more or less carefree these things didn't >> matter >> so much (plus there were squats available in those days), but now there >> are some children and houses with mortgages >> and so I wondered, 'how the fuck...' >> No idea if spouses/families also contribute in different ways, but I >> suppose the idea was related to 'middle age as a >> rock n' roller, non-superstar category'. >> >> t ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:22:17 +0100 From: "Keith" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: making a living >(it seemed so 'American' to inquire about money so baldly, Was that in a 'who-loves-ya-baby' kinda way? ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:20:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] vote tampering - ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: marni To: Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 7:57:52 PM Subject: vote tampering The story is all over Progressive Talk Radio today about the McCain campaign sending absentee ballot applications to registered democrats or people that have donated to Obama's campaign. These ballots are deliberately misleading and have postage paid return addresses that are for an election clerk that is outside of your city or town. What this will end up doing is either having your vote not counted, or if you return one of these, they will cite you for election fraud, saying that you already voted absentee. These ballots are only being sent out in 'purple states' and this is a big deal.. This is called voter caging, and is a huge problem. The McCain campaign is stealing this election as we speak. Please get this information out to as many people as you can ,and tell anyone you know who has received one of these ballots that they need to contact their city election clerk or the supervisor of elections immediately. Also call the local media and let them know what is going on. The main stream media is never going to cover this so we have to depend on our ground campaign to get the word out to our voters. - -- __._,_.___ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 22:29:00 -0700 (PDT) From: elektrolad Subject: [idealcopy] The Buzz on Wire Eardrum Buzz appears on a new compilation with loads of over-complied tracks. Don't know how this snuck on there? B http://idealcopy.american-data.net//Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Produc t_Code=5099923642621 Does 'Vienna' really need to be on another cd? B Over all it is a fairly decent 3 cd set, but could have been one really good single cd. Disc 3 does contain a few tracks I do not own. How did that happen... B Still not on the forum, e B B You are receiving this email because I sent it to you. B MusikB http://www.myspace.com/elektroladB Dj mixes http://www.musicv2.com/artist/elektrolad B I am elektrolad and I approved this message. B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 08:52:20 +0200 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: making a living I know in some of the arts, like architecture, graphic design, classical dance the Netherlands are a major player, but I don't know if this is because of government subsidy. The general idea however is that forming a broad layer of creative people the chances of getting "new van Goghs" are bigger. B. > Lucky Dutch. Do you think Dutch art is as big a force as it should > be considering that remarkable level of state support? > > In the UK I can see people taking advantage of such laws. I do > however feel that some level of support is necessary here though I'm > not aware of any. It's a hard call, interesting to know how the > Dutch weed (pardon the pun) out the piss takers. > > Many years ago I interviewed Rob Lloyd of the Nightingales and asked > him 'that' question. He was very coy in response. > > U. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #476 ********************************