From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V10 #434 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, July 25 2008 Volume 10 : Number 434 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] watch take care [PAUL RABJOHN ] [idealcopy] A Bitter PiL, or but wait, I digress... [TnA ] Re: [idealcopy] Davidmack sed............ ["David McKenzie" ] [idealcopy] 99p drill u [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Maybe an......... ["David McKenzie" ] RE: [idealcopy] Maybe an......... ["Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] watch take care i've discussed PIL with a few people who hold out some hopes for a "classic revival" , i think that's a dream to be honest. i think he just sees himself as an entertainer / media personalityB nowB (be it celebrities in the jungle , nature shows or playing to the gallery with a pistols reunion). i don't think his heart has been in the music for decades now , and he'd rather die than do something "arty" given how endlessly he touts himself as the working class hero. i am a big pistols / early PIL fan , i can't help it , but i don't think we're going to get anytihng meaningful from him now beyond an occasional fun pistols gig. other big problem of course is mr levine , who i think can bear a grudge just as long and hard as JL. sure wobble would turn up at the drop of a chequebook , plus one of the various drummers (probably not martin atkins , who i think levine loathes even more than lydon). but it ain't gonna happen , is it? current plan is to do the scala and nottm so hopefully see lots of you all there. off on my hols for a fortnight tomorrow so all be good in my absence. p - ----- Original Message ---- From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, 23 July, 2008 11:51:43 AM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] watch take care Funny how PiL was cited by Lydon as being the way forward in '79 or whenever and now the PistolsB are now just pulling in the bucks playing a set which is presumably identical to that of 30+ years ago, like any number of any groups... Think I'd rather see the Who again, myself. B >>>...backstage at some Spanish festival Bloc Party singer Kele Oldjoker made this selfsame suggestion to the esteemed Mr Lydon. sadly this request was not greeted with a request for Keith Levene's phone number. instead a blazing row ensued culminating with Oldjoker getting a slap from one of Lydon's entourage. maybe valid artistic criticism , but seems a bit harsh so i might suggest steering clear of PIL-related banter should anyone bump into JL at any future gathering.<<<< www.thisisnorthcliffe.co.uk Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software. Warning: Computer viruses may be transmitted or downloaded onto any computer system via e-mail communication. It is the recipients responsibility to take appropriate action to prevent computer viruses being transmitted In this way. Accordingly Northcliffe Media Ltd disclaim all responsibility which arises directly or indirectly from such transmission of computer viruses. Northcliffe Media Ltd. Registered Office: Northcliffe Accounting Centre, PO Box 6795 St George Street, Leicester, LE1 1ZP, co no 272225, Registered in England and Wales, VAT no 243571174. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:45:11 -0400 From: "Mike Edwards" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] watch take care [PIL METAL BOX] Unfortunately John Lydon and Keith Levene have developed a rift that most parties agree cannot be fixed. Keith standing on the streets of New York selling copies of "The Commercial Zone" out of the trunk of his car so he could could get enough cash to get high seems to have offended Johnny past the point of ever being forgiven. On the other hand, in a recent interview Johnny said he'd love to work with Jah Wobble again, but so far Wobble doesn't seem to care. Of all the post punk groups, none would be finer to see reunite than P.I.L. See ya- Mike PS: New podcast online! http://www.inmyroompodcast.com http://www.myspace.com/bunnylvr - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John G" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] watch take care [PIL METAL BOX] > Thanks Paul for the Inf.. > Early Days In proceedings Indeed!! > > > John Lydon ain't a straight line [out of chaos comes hope] > The seed has been sown! > I can imagine the very thought of a P.I.L re u. being abhorrent to > current/usual JL Mindset > the same mindset which wouldn't 10/20/30 years ago give Glen Matlock > Houseroom for playing Bass like PaulMac! > > not to say PIL RE will be 30 years away > > thank you Kele for opening the gambit to a Taboo Subject! > sorry you had to get a biff from a second rate in command ! > > The Glass Is Half FULL > > John L Will PIL It again and we are all invited.. when .. isn't set > yet... > > J > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PAUL RABJOHN" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:28 AM > Subject: [idealcopy] watch take care > > >> read some disturbing stuff in the paper yesterday.now i have heard mr > bursa >> state that his long held ambition would be to get PIL to reform and do > "Metal >> Box" in one of these play-your-old-album gigs , which does seem a rather > good >> idea. anyway , great minds clearly think alike and backstage at some > Spanish >> festival Bloc Party singer Kele Oldjoker made this selfsame suggestion to > the >> esteemed Mr Lydon. >> sadly this request was not greeted with a request for Keith >> Levene's phone number. instead a blazing row ensued culminating with > Oldjoker >> getting a slap from one of Lydon's entourage. maybe valid artistic > criticism , >> but seems a bit harsh so i might suggest steering clear of PIL-related > banter >> should anyone bump into JL at any future gathering. >> so be careful mark >> p >> p.s >> i have spizz's phone number somewhere if you need a fallback option. > suspect >> he'd be up for it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:54:04 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: "Object 47" Well Well Well I also pre-ordered from Tower (@ the lower $10.99 price. Having read all the cancellation reports here, I popped over to Reckless Records and plunked down $14.50 (with tax) for my copy. This morning Tower sent me a friendly email to inform me my copy has shipped. At least I know what my brother is getting for his birthday (today). It wil;l be a couple days late though, As for my impressions, I can't say (which could be a good thing) Several listens on, I vacilate between thinking it an appropriate and utterly listenable departure to (as an unnamed friend put it) "A Bell is a Cup, without the memorable songs". One thing for certain is that it is nor RnB 4 or "Receive" or any such obvious extension. That is for certain. Another certainty is that Bruce is not present. Knowing that fact in the abstract and hearing it are two distinctly different experiences. Robert's absence from Wir was less obvious because his metronomic play caould be aproximated by machines. Bruce cannot be so approximated . But Object 47 is definitely Wire not Wre or ire. And, to quotr Charles (remember him?) "More Wire is a good thing". On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Sean - wrote: > I'm probably the last person on this list to finally get the new Wire cd. > I had it pre-ordered from tower, they screwed me over so I had to wait > for amazon and it arrived yesterday. In a word...GREAT. Trying to absorb > it all. :-) > Thanks to the list member who suggested cduniverse.com. I'll remember > that in the future. > Sean > > -- > Be Yourself @ mail.com! > Choose From 200+ Email Addresses > Get a Free Account at www.mail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:07:38 -0400 From: TnA Subject: [idealcopy] A Bitter PiL, or but wait, I digress... I've been quietly but happily reading now for many a moon, but feel compelled to add one cents worth to relatively current discourse: Levene era PIL was an incredible inspiration to me back in the day, and should they ever reform, I think Metal Box would make a great encore, or second half of a show. The first half could be, ideally, a confrontational and original mindfuck with the best of the musician's efforts. Let's see, Keith would have to probably lay off the lame heavy metal-isms, maybe play samplers or table-top guitar/electronics, Lydon would have to become a poet again, Wobble would be ok, but might have to tighten up the ship, and Atkins (I suppose, but why not Walker?) would be playing alongside avant-turntablists/sampler/Matmos-type electronics experts and maybe New York City street percussionists. Or they could break out the acoustic guitars just to confound me, and play the blooze. (That image is a little much, sorry). back to reality: on the Wire front, I have to say that so far my feelings are that the live material I've heard (thanks, A!) is pretty good, and in places just hits the spot, but the studio material....well, the Wire magazine review posted recently was pretty close to what I was thinking. I'm a PF/CM/154 man, (by way of explanation)with SEND et alas a welcome chaser, and solo tend towards abrasive/experimental material, although I like Githead, for example. Enough about me, on with the show. t ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Davidmack sed............ >>Robert's absence from Wir was less obvious because his metronomic play could be approximated by machines.<< Disagree David, Listen again to Roberts drumming on Object,or any recent Wire release, it has real 'heart and feeling', and an 'intensity and rythm' I don't think any drum machine programmer could match. >>Bruce cannot be so approximated .But Object 47 is definitely Wire not Wir or ire.<< 'Somewhat' agree , whomever is playing Bass (is it Margaret?) does a fine fine job,sure it's not Bruce, but so what? it still effing good Bass playing and that, surely, is what really matters.............. >>And, to quote Charles (remember him?) "More Wire is a good thing".<< Hear Hear............... A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:10:43 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Davidmack sed............ On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Ari wrote: >>>Robert's absence from Wir was less obvious because his metronomic play > could be approximated by machines.<< > Disagree David, Listen again to Roberts drumming on Object,or any recent Wire release, it has real 'heart and feeling', and an 'intensity and rythm' I don't think any drum machine programmer could match. the operative word here was approximated - I would never suggest that a machine could match or replace Robert >>>Bruce cannot be so approximated .But Object 47 is definitely Wire not Wir or ire.<< > 'Somewhat' agree , whomever is playing Bass (is it Margaret?) does a fine fine job,sure it's not Bruce, but so what? it still effing good Bass playing and that, surely, is what really matters.............. erm, that would be Graham ^_^ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:27:28 +0100 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: [idealcopy] Anyone going to Nottingham from down south? I've just booked up for the Nottingham gig (as well as the Scala of course). Anyone else travelling up from the south interested in a car share as I'll be driving up? Uri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:09:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Davidmack sed............ shame on me indeedy........... Not recycling? watch THIS!! http://www.storyofstuff.com/ - ----- Original Message ---- From: Uri Baran To: Ari Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:14:39 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Davidmack sed............ Shame on you, Bruce doesn't play Bass, Graham does. U. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ari" To: Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Davidmack sed............ >>>Robert's absence from Wir was less obvious because his metronomic play > could be approximated by machines.<< > Disagree David, Listen again to Roberts drumming on Object,or any recent > Wire release, it has real 'heart and feeling', and an 'intensity and > rythm' I don't think any drum machine programmer could match. >>>Bruce cannot be so approximated .But Object 47 is definitely Wire not Wir >>>or ire.<< > 'Somewhat' agree , whomever is playing Bass (is it Margaret?) does a fine > fine job,sure it's not Bruce, but so what? it still effing good Bass > playing and that, surely, is what really matters.............. >>>And, to quote Charles (remember him?) "More Wire is a good thing".<< Hear >>>Hear............... A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 15:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ari Subject: [idealcopy] Maybe an......... ..........explanation of my slip is needed, of course I know G.L is bassist, one isn't a fan of Wire for 30 years and not know but, as 4 of you on this list know, this past few weeks I have been having to cope with a life-changing situation that had put me into a deep depression (which I am 'just' beginning to climb out of )and a mind-set of complete denial as to what is going on in my life. What 'gets me by' is the fact that I have friends here that have been showering me with love and clients who's houses I enter every day that expect, and get, a smile and a friendly attitude from yours truly. In a few weeks time this shall pass, of necessity, as my situation changes and unfolds, and hope again rises on the horizon.it's one of the reasons I haven't been as active on the list or forum (or as humorous) as I have been in the past, so bear with me as I learn how to cope with this new situation which, of course, I shall -being one of life's 'survivors'.Ari ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:21:29 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] 99p drill u I'm reliably informed that Selectadisc in Nottingham is knocking out copies of Snakedrill on 12" for 99pence. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:09:29 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Maybe an......... thereby reminding us that there are more important things in life i thought you were just having a 'senior moment' ^_^ the best to you ari - you deserve it On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Ari wrote: > ..........explanation of my slip is needed, of course I know G.L is bassist, one isn't a fan of Wire for 30 years and not know but, as 4 of you on this list know, this past few weeks I have been having to cope with a life-changing situation that had put me into a deep depression (which I am 'just' beginning to climb out of )and a mind-set of complete denial as to what is going on in my life. > What 'gets me by' is the fact that I have friends here that have been showering me with love and clients who's houses I enter every day that expect, and get, a smile and a friendly attitude from yours truly. > In a few weeks time this shall pass, of necessity, as my situation changes and unfolds, and hope again rises on the horizon.it's one of the reasons I haven't been as active on the list or forum (or as humorous) as I have been in the past, so bear with me as I learn how to cope with this new situation which, of course, I shall -being one of life's 'survivors'.Ari ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:11:19 +0100 From: "Clements, Bruno - BUP" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Maybe an......... We're all thinking of you. Keep looking on the bright side... Bruno - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ari Sent: 24 July 2008 23:09 To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] Maybe an......... ..........explanation of my slip is needed, of course I know G.L is bassist, one isn't a fan of Wire for 30 years and not know but, as 4 of you on this list know, this past few weeks I have been having to cope with a life-changing situation that had put me into a deep depression (which I am 'just' beginning to climb out of )and a mind-set of complete denial as to what is going on in my life. What 'gets me by' is the fact that I have friends here that have been showering me with love and clients who's houses I enter every day that expect, and get, a smile and a friendly attitude from yours truly. In a few weeks time this shall pass, of necessity, as my situation changes and unfolds, and hope again rises on the horizon.it's one of the reasons I haven't been as active on the list or forum (or as humorous) as I have been in the past, so bear with me as I learn how to cope with this new situation which, of course, I shall -being one of life's 'survivors'.Ari www.thisisnorthcliffe.co.uk Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual and not necessarily the company. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient or person responsible for delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software. Warning: Computer viruses may be transmitted or downloaded onto any computer system via e-mail communication. It is the recipients responsibility to take appropriate action to prevent computer viruses being transmitted In this way. Accordingly Northcliffe Media Ltd disclaim all responsibility which arises directly or indirectly from such transmission of computer viruses. Northcliffe Media Ltd. Registered Office: Northcliffe Accounting Centre, PO Box 6795 St George Street, Leicester, LE1 1ZP, co no 272225, Registered in England and Wales, VAT no 243571174. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V10 #434 ********************************